comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 43 minutes ago
Erik
Do you genuinely believe Mourinho had zero fault in what happened that season?
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Yes, I genuinely do. It wasn't what Mourinho did, it was people's reactions to what he did that led to that season. Yes Mourinho shouted at the woman, but the players didn't have to down tools. Can you see what I mean? There's a difference between Mourinho purposefully doing something that creates problems and other people creating problems because of something Mourinho did.
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
Erik why haven't acknowledged getting Azpi's position wrong?
What about Mourihnosaurus demanding respect and giving none back?
Instead you choose to get involved with Brummie on another issue on this thread. Jose should take his own advice and sit down and shut up when Conte ripped him and his new bit a new one instead of crying like a baby
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Sorry Bov, didn't mean to tread on your manor!
You're taking everything Mourinho has said about us far too literally. He's not gunna come out with a Keegan or Rafa rant because he doesn't operate like that. Unless he's seriously wound up, e.g. his 'respect' demands after Spurs defeat, he's more tactful in how he conveys his feelings.
(a) He said we played a defensive style of football under Conte and acted surprised as he was told we wanted something more attacking under him. While that's probably true, he wasn't sacked because of our playing style, he was sacked because we were 17th. He's trying to portray our board as either clueless or liars, which is fine, but using a flawed argument.
(b) Again technically true, but we weren't in Europe that season because he had us in 17th when he was sacked. Basically trying to diminish Conte's accomplishments by referring to an advantage we had because of his poor management the previous season. Was an incredibly dumb argument for him to make.
(c) Firstly, Conte did nothing there Mourinho hasn't done himself, e.g. our 0-2 win at Anfield in 2014. Considering the circumstances, what that loss meant for Liverpool, by his own logic the way Jose celebrated Willian's killer goal was very disrespectful. Secondly, look at it from Conte's prospective, at the time that won was huge for him - completely vindicated his switch to the 343 - and he was celebrating with us, Mourinho had nothing to do with it. All he did by taking offence to that was make a massive victory for us, Conte and the club as a whole all about him.
(d) In many ways that was classic Mourinho. Saying something knowing who he's sniping without directly aiming the gun at them (much like his "I'll never take bribes" jibe). He's not stupid, he knows full well United fans will take that as standard manager etiquette and Chelsea fans will be the ones who take it seriously. And credit to him I guess because it worked, when you hear many Chelsea fans talk about their feelings on Mourinho today that's the comment they reference, so he succeeded in whatever he attempted to accomplish there (got a portion of fans to chant Judas at him).
Well for (a), I don't think Mourinho was making an argument, more an observation. he said, I believe, that Chelsea were a defensive counter-attacking team, which is true, that's what we were. I don't see why that's insulting, I'm proud of the way we play when we play like that. I don't remember him saying that stuff about the Chelsea board, but again, sounds like an observation. I think maybe, and I mean this respectfully, but you might want to try and not look for things to be offended by.
For (b) it's actually pretty irrelevant who's fault it was that Chelsea weren't in Europe that season. Mourinho was just making the point, which you admit you agree with, so fair play. He was just making an observation that Chelsea had that advantage, and it was a true observation, so again, I don't see the problem. It may slightly diminish Conte's achievement, and yeah, maybe Chelsea wouldn't have won the league if they had to play those extra games. But, it's the truth, and Mourinho was just pointing it out.
For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
For (d), you've said it yourself, it's standard manager etiquette. It doesn't mean anything when he says that, he probably doesn't even mean it. I doubt he was thinking of Chelsea when he said it. He probably didn't think any opposition fan would even care, I mean I sure didn't. In my eyes it's just something that you say when you're the manager of a club, especially a club like United that probably are very proud of their fans and how they support the team. It's just a token statement to help keep everyone at United positive, dunno why anyone would take it more seriously than that.
I just can't take offence at anything Mourinho says at united. He's their manager now, he's gonna say positive things about their clubs and their fans, and that's just how it is, it's what he has to do to help keep everyone happy. It's his job. I don't see the intent that everyone else does to piiiss of anyone at Chelsea with his comments. When he says things about Chelsea not being in Europe when they won the league, or about being defensive, those are the kind of comments he'd make about any rival, so it's just being professional and not treating Chelsea any differently because he's manager of Man Utd now, not Chelsea. To me, it's pretty childish to expect him to be nicer to Chelsea than he would be to any other team.
I just can't take offence at anything Mourinho says at united. He's their manager now, he's gonna say positive things about their clubs and their fans, and that's just how it is, it's what he has to do to help keep everyone happy. It's his job. I don't see the intent that everyone else does to piiiss of anyone at Chelsea with his comments. When he says things about Chelsea not being in Europe when they won the league, or about being defensive, those are the kind of comments he'd make about any rival, so it's just being professional and not treating Chelsea any differently because he's manager of Man Utd now, not Chelsea. To me, it's pretty childish to expect him to be nicer to Chelsea than he would be to any other team.
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Completely disagree. You're probably right about Mourinho not meaning to offend Chelsea fans (minus 'United best fans' & 'Judas is no.1' remarks), more just going about his business and we've happened to get caught in the crosshairs more than most. But the thing is we are different, or should be to him (same with Inter). It's very easy to say how much he's done for us, easy to forget what we did for him as well - not just the fans unconditional respect, the club as a whole.
The buck of your argument is suggesting we as fans should accept United & Chelsea were just jobs at the end of the day. Well if that's the case what's the problem with certain Chelsea fans not seeing him as special anymore? Taking amazement in his shortcomings just as they would Klopp, Poch or Pep?
It's ironic that one of his go-to lines since returning to England has been, "I do not speak", and uses it as a bit of a cop out frankly. And yet whenever a question veering towards Chelsea comes up we never seem to hear that, just when it would be most appropriate
Mourinho should us the respect he demands imo. we all loved him until he started bad mouthing us. When Rafa was our manager he never made any negative comments about Liverpool, that's how a decent respectful manager should behave.
FAO Wahl/Erik
For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
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You stick up for him all the time. So the 4th goal celebration by Conte was out of order to you.
What about Jose celebrating goal 6 against Arsenal.
You're logic is flawed. Your loyalty to him is misguided. Generally you come on here and make contradictions.
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comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 16 hours, 56 minutes ago
I just can't take offence at anything Mourinho says at united. He's their manager now, he's gonna say positive things about their clubs and their fans, and that's just how it is, it's what he has to do to help keep everyone happy. It's his job. I don't see the intent that everyone else does to piiiss of anyone at Chelsea with his comments. When he says things about Chelsea not being in Europe when they won the league, or about being defensive, those are the kind of comments he'd make about any rival, so it's just being professional and not treating Chelsea any differently because he's manager of Man Utd now, not Chelsea. To me, it's pretty childish to expect him to be nicer to Chelsea than he would be to any other team.
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Completely disagree. You're probably right about Mourinho not meaning to offend Chelsea fans (minus 'United best fans' & 'Judas is no.1' remarks), more just going about his business and we've happened to get caught in the crosshairs more than most. But the thing is we are different, or should be to him (same with Inter). It's very easy to say how much he's done for us, easy to forget what we did for him as well - not just the fans unconditional respect, the club as a whole.
The buck of your argument is suggesting we as fans should accept United & Chelsea were just jobs at the end of the day. Well if that's the case what's the problem with certain Chelsea fans not seeing him as special anymore? Taking amazement in his shortcomings just as they would Klopp, Poch or Pep?
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Chelsea probably are different - just Mourinho is a professional and he’s just doing his job. Although singing contes name a few months after Mourinho was fired and forgiving the players that were responsible for Mourinho’s sacking doesn’t really show loyalty from
The Chelsea fans to Mourinho, does it?
And the reason why Chelsea fans shouldn’t act the same way is that, being a manager is Mourinho’s job. He has to do things the best way that will allow him to do the best performance as a manager that he can. He shouldn’t have to pull punches and not say thing he would say about other teams about Chelsea. His job is to do the best he can for United now, so that’s what he has to do. He has to be professional. I can’t blame him for that. The fans have no responsibility like that, so there’s no excuse for them to treat Mourinho badly.
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 15 hours, 39 minutes ago
FAO Wahl/Erik
For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
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You stick up for him all the time. So the 4th goal celebration by Conte was out of order to you.
What about Jose celebrating goal 6 against Arsenal.
You're logic is flawed. Your loyalty to him is misguided. Generally you come on here and make contradictions.
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Dude, you once told me you wanted to see me get beaten up, your opinion is worthless.
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 16 hours, 56 minutes ago
I just can't take offence at anything Mourinho says at united. He's their manager now, he's gonna say positive things about their clubs and their fans, and that's just how it is, it's what he has to do to help keep everyone happy. It's his job. I don't see the intent that everyone else does to piiiss of anyone at Chelsea with his comments. When he says things about Chelsea not being in Europe when they won the league, or about being defensive, those are the kind of comments he'd make about any rival, so it's just being professional and not treating Chelsea any differently because he's manager of Man Utd now, not Chelsea. To me, it's pretty childish to expect him to be nicer to Chelsea than he would be to any other team.
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Completely disagree. You're probably right about Mourinho not meaning to offend Chelsea fans (minus 'United best fans' & 'Judas is no.1' remarks), more just going about his business and we've happened to get caught in the crosshairs more than most. But the thing is we are different, or should be to him (same with Inter). It's very easy to say how much he's done for us, easy to forget what we did for him as well - not just the fans unconditional respect, the club as a whole.
The buck of your argument is suggesting we as fans should accept United & Chelsea were just jobs at the end of the day. Well if that's the case what's the problem with certain Chelsea fans not seeing him as special anymore? Taking amazement in his shortcomings just as they would Klopp, Poch or Pep?
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Chelsea probably are different - just Mourinho is a professional and he’s just doing his job. Although singing contes name a few months after Mourinho was fired and forgiving the players that were responsible for Mourinho’s sacking doesn’t really show loyalty from
The Chelsea fans to Mourinho, does it?
And the reason why Chelsea fans shouldn’t act the same way is that, being a manager is Mourinho’s job. He has to do things the best way that will allow him to do the best performance as a manager that he can. He shouldn’t have to pull punches and not say thing he would say about other teams about Chelsea. His job is to do the best he can for United now, so that’s what he has to do. He has to be professional. I can’t blame him for that. The fans have no responsibility like that, so there’s no excuse for them to treat Mourinho badly.
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He got himself fired by losing 9 games in 16
Why can't Mourinho be a professional and respect Chelsea more than most at the same time? It's like a player refusing to celebrate against a former team, just don't play his pre-match games against us? United fans would understand that, as I said before fans aren't stupid. It's fine if he chooses not to do that, but you can't expect all Chelsea fans to be on board with it by saying he's just being professional. Pep wouldn't disrespect Barca, Klopp wouldn't disrespect Dortmund (he's taken shots at Bayern as Pool boss ), he could choose to just be more classy than he usually is when talking about us.
Listen I was fully on board wit the players being backstabbers argument. To tell you the truth I don't participlarly like this squad with have atm, too many entitled players who down tool too easily (did the same to Conte), but we can't do much about it, we have what we have and we need to support them. Holding a grudge because of the way they've treated previous managers is counter productive. If Mourinho is being the professional you claim he is, he would understand that better than anyone would he not?
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comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 11 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 15 hours, 39 minutes ago
FAO Wahl/Erik
For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
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You stick up for him all the time. So the 4th goal celebration by Conte was out of order to you.
What about Jose celebrating goal 6 against Arsenal.
You're logic is flawed. Your loyalty to him is misguided. Generally you come on here and make contradictions.
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Dude, you once told me you wanted to see me get beaten up, your opinion is worthless.
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Never said that. You were saying something along the lines that we were nothing years ago so I said I'd like to see the north stand do their job one more time.
So how do you explain celebrating a 6th goal if you don't like Conte celebrating a 4th? Why shouldn't any manager celebrate any goal his team scores?
Truth be told, Mourinho has no excuse to take jabs at Chelsea to impress It's fans or maybe himself, we made him and he made us. i truly appreciate what he did for us but I've realised he also did it for himself too, not out of love for us. if he guide It's to win the league three years in a row, he wouldn't think twice or consider Chelsea.
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posted on 8/9/18
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 43 minutes ago
Erik
Do you genuinely believe Mourinho had zero fault in what happened that season?
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Yes, I genuinely do. It wasn't what Mourinho did, it was people's reactions to what he did that led to that season. Yes Mourinho shouted at the woman, but the players didn't have to down tools. Can you see what I mean? There's a difference between Mourinho purposefully doing something that creates problems and other people creating problems because of something Mourinho did.
posted on 8/9/18
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
Erik why haven't acknowledged getting Azpi's position wrong?
What about Mourihnosaurus demanding respect and giving none back?
Instead you choose to get involved with Brummie on another issue on this thread. Jose should take his own advice and sit down and shut up when Conte ripped him and his new bit a new one instead of crying like a baby
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Sorry Bov, didn't mean to tread on your manor!
posted on 9/9/18
You're taking everything Mourinho has said about us far too literally. He's not gunna come out with a Keegan or Rafa rant because he doesn't operate like that. Unless he's seriously wound up, e.g. his 'respect' demands after Spurs defeat, he's more tactful in how he conveys his feelings.
(a) He said we played a defensive style of football under Conte and acted surprised as he was told we wanted something more attacking under him. While that's probably true, he wasn't sacked because of our playing style, he was sacked because we were 17th. He's trying to portray our board as either clueless or liars, which is fine, but using a flawed argument.
(b) Again technically true, but we weren't in Europe that season because he had us in 17th when he was sacked. Basically trying to diminish Conte's accomplishments by referring to an advantage we had because of his poor management the previous season. Was an incredibly dumb argument for him to make.
(c) Firstly, Conte did nothing there Mourinho hasn't done himself, e.g. our 0-2 win at Anfield in 2014. Considering the circumstances, what that loss meant for Liverpool, by his own logic the way Jose celebrated Willian's killer goal was very disrespectful. Secondly, look at it from Conte's prospective, at the time that won was huge for him - completely vindicated his switch to the 343 - and he was celebrating with us, Mourinho had nothing to do with it. All he did by taking offence to that was make a massive victory for us, Conte and the club as a whole all about him.
(d) In many ways that was classic Mourinho. Saying something knowing who he's sniping without directly aiming the gun at them (much like his "I'll never take bribes" jibe). He's not stupid, he knows full well United fans will take that as standard manager etiquette and Chelsea fans will be the ones who take it seriously. And credit to him I guess because it worked, when you hear many Chelsea fans talk about their feelings on Mourinho today that's the comment they reference, so he succeeded in whatever he attempted to accomplish there (got a portion of fans to chant Judas at him).
posted on 9/9/18
Well for (a), I don't think Mourinho was making an argument, more an observation. he said, I believe, that Chelsea were a defensive counter-attacking team, which is true, that's what we were. I don't see why that's insulting, I'm proud of the way we play when we play like that. I don't remember him saying that stuff about the Chelsea board, but again, sounds like an observation. I think maybe, and I mean this respectfully, but you might want to try and not look for things to be offended by.
For (b) it's actually pretty irrelevant who's fault it was that Chelsea weren't in Europe that season. Mourinho was just making the point, which you admit you agree with, so fair play. He was just making an observation that Chelsea had that advantage, and it was a true observation, so again, I don't see the problem. It may slightly diminish Conte's achievement, and yeah, maybe Chelsea wouldn't have won the league if they had to play those extra games. But, it's the truth, and Mourinho was just pointing it out.
For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
For (d), you've said it yourself, it's standard manager etiquette. It doesn't mean anything when he says that, he probably doesn't even mean it. I doubt he was thinking of Chelsea when he said it. He probably didn't think any opposition fan would even care, I mean I sure didn't. In my eyes it's just something that you say when you're the manager of a club, especially a club like United that probably are very proud of their fans and how they support the team. It's just a token statement to help keep everyone at United positive, dunno why anyone would take it more seriously than that.
I just can't take offence at anything Mourinho says at united. He's their manager now, he's gonna say positive things about their clubs and their fans, and that's just how it is, it's what he has to do to help keep everyone happy. It's his job. I don't see the intent that everyone else does to piiiss of anyone at Chelsea with his comments. When he says things about Chelsea not being in Europe when they won the league, or about being defensive, those are the kind of comments he'd make about any rival, so it's just being professional and not treating Chelsea any differently because he's manager of Man Utd now, not Chelsea. To me, it's pretty childish to expect him to be nicer to Chelsea than he would be to any other team.
posted on 9/9/18
I just can't take offence at anything Mourinho says at united. He's their manager now, he's gonna say positive things about their clubs and their fans, and that's just how it is, it's what he has to do to help keep everyone happy. It's his job. I don't see the intent that everyone else does to piiiss of anyone at Chelsea with his comments. When he says things about Chelsea not being in Europe when they won the league, or about being defensive, those are the kind of comments he'd make about any rival, so it's just being professional and not treating Chelsea any differently because he's manager of Man Utd now, not Chelsea. To me, it's pretty childish to expect him to be nicer to Chelsea than he would be to any other team.
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Completely disagree. You're probably right about Mourinho not meaning to offend Chelsea fans (minus 'United best fans' & 'Judas is no.1' remarks), more just going about his business and we've happened to get caught in the crosshairs more than most. But the thing is we are different, or should be to him (same with Inter). It's very easy to say how much he's done for us, easy to forget what we did for him as well - not just the fans unconditional respect, the club as a whole.
The buck of your argument is suggesting we as fans should accept United & Chelsea were just jobs at the end of the day. Well if that's the case what's the problem with certain Chelsea fans not seeing him as special anymore? Taking amazement in his shortcomings just as they would Klopp, Poch or Pep?
posted on 9/9/18
It's ironic that one of his go-to lines since returning to England has been, "I do not speak", and uses it as a bit of a cop out frankly. And yet whenever a question veering towards Chelsea comes up we never seem to hear that, just when it would be most appropriate
posted on 9/9/18
*bulk of your argument
posted on 9/9/18
Mourinho should us the respect he demands imo. we all loved him until he started bad mouthing us. When Rafa was our manager he never made any negative comments about Liverpool, that's how a decent respectful manager should behave.
posted on 9/9/18
FAO Wahl/Erik
For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
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You stick up for him all the time. So the 4th goal celebration by Conte was out of order to you.
What about Jose celebrating goal 6 against Arsenal.
You're logic is flawed. Your loyalty to him is misguided. Generally you come on here and make contradictions.
Total b locks
posted on 10/9/18
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 16 hours, 56 minutes ago
I just can't take offence at anything Mourinho says at united. He's their manager now, he's gonna say positive things about their clubs and their fans, and that's just how it is, it's what he has to do to help keep everyone happy. It's his job. I don't see the intent that everyone else does to piiiss of anyone at Chelsea with his comments. When he says things about Chelsea not being in Europe when they won the league, or about being defensive, those are the kind of comments he'd make about any rival, so it's just being professional and not treating Chelsea any differently because he's manager of Man Utd now, not Chelsea. To me, it's pretty childish to expect him to be nicer to Chelsea than he would be to any other team.
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Completely disagree. You're probably right about Mourinho not meaning to offend Chelsea fans (minus 'United best fans' & 'Judas is no.1' remarks), more just going about his business and we've happened to get caught in the crosshairs more than most. But the thing is we are different, or should be to him (same with Inter). It's very easy to say how much he's done for us, easy to forget what we did for him as well - not just the fans unconditional respect, the club as a whole.
The buck of your argument is suggesting we as fans should accept United & Chelsea were just jobs at the end of the day. Well if that's the case what's the problem with certain Chelsea fans not seeing him as special anymore? Taking amazement in his shortcomings just as they would Klopp, Poch or Pep?
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Chelsea probably are different - just Mourinho is a professional and he’s just doing his job. Although singing contes name a few months after Mourinho was fired and forgiving the players that were responsible for Mourinho’s sacking doesn’t really show loyalty from
The Chelsea fans to Mourinho, does it?
And the reason why Chelsea fans shouldn’t act the same way is that, being a manager is Mourinho’s job. He has to do things the best way that will allow him to do the best performance as a manager that he can. He shouldn’t have to pull punches and not say thing he would say about other teams about Chelsea. His job is to do the best he can for United now, so that’s what he has to do. He has to be professional. I can’t blame him for that. The fans have no responsibility like that, so there’s no excuse for them to treat Mourinho badly.
posted on 10/9/18
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 15 hours, 39 minutes ago
FAO Wahl/Erik
For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
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You stick up for him all the time. So the 4th goal celebration by Conte was out of order to you.
What about Jose celebrating goal 6 against Arsenal.
You're logic is flawed. Your loyalty to him is misguided. Generally you come on here and make contradictions.
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Dude, you once told me you wanted to see me get beaten up, your opinion is worthless.
posted on 10/9/18
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 4 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 16 hours, 56 minutes ago
I just can't take offence at anything Mourinho says at united. He's their manager now, he's gonna say positive things about their clubs and their fans, and that's just how it is, it's what he has to do to help keep everyone happy. It's his job. I don't see the intent that everyone else does to piiiss of anyone at Chelsea with his comments. When he says things about Chelsea not being in Europe when they won the league, or about being defensive, those are the kind of comments he'd make about any rival, so it's just being professional and not treating Chelsea any differently because he's manager of Man Utd now, not Chelsea. To me, it's pretty childish to expect him to be nicer to Chelsea than he would be to any other team.
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Completely disagree. You're probably right about Mourinho not meaning to offend Chelsea fans (minus 'United best fans' & 'Judas is no.1' remarks), more just going about his business and we've happened to get caught in the crosshairs more than most. But the thing is we are different, or should be to him (same with Inter). It's very easy to say how much he's done for us, easy to forget what we did for him as well - not just the fans unconditional respect, the club as a whole.
The buck of your argument is suggesting we as fans should accept United & Chelsea were just jobs at the end of the day. Well if that's the case what's the problem with certain Chelsea fans not seeing him as special anymore? Taking amazement in his shortcomings just as they would Klopp, Poch or Pep?
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Chelsea probably are different - just Mourinho is a professional and he’s just doing his job. Although singing contes name a few months after Mourinho was fired and forgiving the players that were responsible for Mourinho’s sacking doesn’t really show loyalty from
The Chelsea fans to Mourinho, does it?
And the reason why Chelsea fans shouldn’t act the same way is that, being a manager is Mourinho’s job. He has to do things the best way that will allow him to do the best performance as a manager that he can. He shouldn’t have to pull punches and not say thing he would say about other teams about Chelsea. His job is to do the best he can for United now, so that’s what he has to do. He has to be professional. I can’t blame him for that. The fans have no responsibility like that, so there’s no excuse for them to treat Mourinho badly.
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He got himself fired by losing 9 games in 16
posted on 10/9/18
Why can't Mourinho be a professional and respect Chelsea more than most at the same time? It's like a player refusing to celebrate against a former team, just don't play his pre-match games against us? United fans would understand that, as I said before fans aren't stupid. It's fine if he chooses not to do that, but you can't expect all Chelsea fans to be on board with it by saying he's just being professional. Pep wouldn't disrespect Barca, Klopp wouldn't disrespect Dortmund (he's taken shots at Bayern as Pool boss ), he could choose to just be more classy than he usually is when talking about us.
Listen I was fully on board wit the players being backstabbers argument. To tell you the truth I don't participlarly like this squad with have atm, too many entitled players who down tool too easily (did the same to Conte), but we can't do much about it, we have what we have and we need to support them. Holding a grudge because of the way they've treated previous managers is counter productive. If Mourinho is being the professional you claim he is, he would understand that better than anyone would he not?
posted on 10/9/18
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posted on 10/9/18
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 11 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 15 hours, 39 minutes ago
FAO Wahl/Erik
For (c), that 2-0 game meant quite a lot in that season. NO ONE wanted Liverpool to win the league and that win, totally against the odds, was the reason they didn't. Also, that second goal Mourinho celebrated was the game clincher, unlike the fourth goal against United that Conte was jumping around for. For a goal like the one against Liverpool you can celebrate because the tension is released and that's a big part of the reason you're so relieved. But at 4-0, there just isn't a reason to celebrate like that because there's no tension. It is literally just bragging and yeah, I think a manager shouldn't act that way, its unprofessional.
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You stick up for him all the time. So the 4th goal celebration by Conte was out of order to you.
What about Jose celebrating goal 6 against Arsenal.
You're logic is flawed. Your loyalty to him is misguided. Generally you come on here and make contradictions.
Total b locks
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Dude, you once told me you wanted to see me get beaten up, your opinion is worthless.
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Never said that. You were saying something along the lines that we were nothing years ago so I said I'd like to see the north stand do their job one more time.
So how do you explain celebrating a 6th goal if you don't like Conte celebrating a 4th? Why shouldn't any manager celebrate any goal his team scores?
posted on 13/9/18
Truth be told, Mourinho has no excuse to take jabs at Chelsea to impress It's fans or maybe himself, we made him and he made us. i truly appreciate what he did for us but I've realised he also did it for himself too, not out of love for us. if he guide It's to win the league three years in a row, he wouldn't think twice or consider Chelsea.
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