TOOR, you having the audacity to accuse me of arguing in black and white is laughable given your recent history. Comedy gold.
You have been sucked into believing players know when they have been fouled and your point is flawed for two reasons.
1. Players like Salah don’t consider the contact and decide they’ve been fouled and need to act. That is not realistic at all. What they do is feel a touch and go down. They cheat, because it wins them free kicks and penalties. They then tell gullible prats like you that they only do it because the referee wouldn’t give them a decision otherwise and it’s all so unfair.
2. A player does not know if he’s been fouled. Salah didn’t know he’d been fouled. He may have thought it (unlikely) but he didn’t know it. Why? Because it’s the refs decision, not his.
Would the referee have given a penalty had Salah not brown himself over? Unlikely. Would the ref be wrong? No.
You see, most challenges where people stay on their feet are not awarded a penalty because they’re not deemed to be a foul.
The extent of contact is crucial in determining whether a foul has been committed so if the touch, in this case, on Salah was barely enough to register let alone knock him to the ground, then that has to be taken into account when deciding if it was a foul.
That has been taken away from the referee and so he’s made a decision based on false information.
He’s cheated and he should be punished for it.
Oh and this strawman nonsense - I know exactly what you said and that’s why I’m pulling it apart, piece by piece.
You’ll never admit it of course, you never do, but it’s always good fun to tear your argument apart and leave you in a mess. The Suarez/Evra case and you not knowing the handball law we’re probably my two favourites. Let’s see how this one goes.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 48 minutes ago
Also if this isn't the case, and everybody but you knows that it is, why wasn't Salah punished retrospectively?
I suggest taking another break.
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Everybody but me?
There you go again, trying to lie your way through things. It’s only Liverpool fans on JA606 who back you up.
The FA make a mess of dealing with retrospective punishment. Hundreds of diving incidents go unpunished. That is not a ringing endorsement of Salah’s innocence and it’s quite desperate to suggest it is.
Oh, and what break?
You may take breaks from a forum because you’re so obsessed that you’re here arguing on Christmas Day, like a lonely boring man, but I don’t need to. I just use it when I fancy because I have a decent life. You should try it sometime.
There are plenty of fouls that occur when players stay on their feet, and penalties not given for them.
comment by Christmas Chronic (U3423)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 14 hours, 25 minutes ago
Just seen this;
“Tottenham’s attendance at Wembley vs Bournemouth in the Premier League: 45,154 today
Sunderland’s attendance at the Stadium of Light vs Bradford in League One: 46,039 today”
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Sunderland
Mind the gap lad
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 12 minutes ago
There are plenty of fouls that occur when players stay on their feet, and penalties not given for them.
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Can you name a single incident from the Boxing Day fixtures?
Genuine question - I’ll take a look.
It does happen of course, but rarely in my opinion. Maybe that’s because all the players are now throwing themselves on the floor.
Thank goodness we have these honest players to help the referees like that.
I can't from the Boxing Day fixtures, no. But it seems that if a player is impeded but stays on his feet, a penalty will not be given. There may not have been enough contact to go down, but it can still put him at a disadvantage. He may be knocked off his stride, held back for a split second which means he loses the ball or that his next touch of the ball is delayed which can be the difference between scoring a goal and not, and so in that situation I can understand players going down.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
I can't from the Boxing Day fixtures, no. But it seems that if a player is impeded but stays on his feet, a penalty will not be given. There may not have been enough contact to go down, but it can still put him at a disadvantage. He may be knocked off his stride, held back for a split second which means he loses the ball or that his next touch of the ball is delayed which can be the difference between scoring a goal and not, and so in that situation I can understand players going down.
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With respect though, fans are not best placed to adjudge there’s been a foul. Particularly for their own team.
I wonder how many of these supposed incidents would actually be deemed a foul by referees who get another look at it.
Can you remember the last one you saw like that then?
I agree it happens but not nearly as much as the players using it as an excuse to dive would have you believe.
Ultimately there’s no excuse anyway.
I don't remember an isolated incident no, but I just know that it happens and seems unfair when it does.
Winston I couldn't be bothered reading through that all. Unfortunately I'm back to work today. However you main point seems to be that you're saying, and we've been through this before, that players don't know when they're fouled. Of course they know. That's a ridiculous point. You're saying that Salah didn't know he was pulled back and just hit the deck for no reason? Don't be ridiculous.
The referee would have been wrong had he not given the penalty as you aren't allowed to pull your opponent and when you do it should be a penalty. This is why players go down and why they will continue to do so. To suggest otherwise is also ridiculous.
2. A player does not know if he’s been fouled. Salah didn’t know he’d been fouled. He may have thought it (unlikely) but he didn’t know it. Why? Because it’s the refs decision, not his.
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comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 32 minutes ago
I don't remember an isolated incident no, but I just know that it happens and seems unfair when it does.
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Okay well again with respect, but I find that hard to believe if it’s as common as you suggest.
TOOR, what’s ridiculous is that you think players can decide when they’ve been fouled.
I don’t think Salah was fouled. Judging by what I’ve read, nor does anyone outside a Liverpool shirt.
So how can you say Salah knows he was fouled?
That single point alone proves you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
As usual.
The FA seem to think he was fouled too.
Oh and TOOR, yet again you prove you don’t understand the laws.
The referee would not have been wrong. It’s a subjective decision. There’s no law that says what you claim. You need to understand the laws to understand why you’re wrong.
No chance of that happening anytime soon.
Black and white you say? Thanks for proving my point.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
The FA seem to think he was fouled too.
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If that’s your only defence of Salah in this case, it’s an incredibly weak one. Remind yourself of that commen the next time you see a United player dive who isn’t retrospectively charged.
So, we have lots of incidents where referees don’t give a penalty because a player was not knocked over - even though they were fouled.
Yet no one can name a single incident.
Welcome to JA606.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
I don't remember an isolated incident no, but I just know that it happens and seems unfair when it does.
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Why would you remember? Why would you know? Its an impossible question being put forward to make a struggling point.
The fact that you can't name another incident doesn't mean these incidents are rare.
These incidents don't make the news. If one happened between Fulham and Southampton, how would you know(unless you watched the game).
No one is in a position to judge how often it happens. It's not a recorded statistic, it doesn't make the news, and nobody watches more than a handful of games a week.
Let's say you've seen it happen twice this season. How many games have you watched? Extrapolate that to all the games played that you didn't watch. It could be happening very often.
Basically its a load of crap.
People probably don't tend to make notes of these incidents.
Actually, ask Billy the Yidd. He keeps a record of this kind of stuff, especially relating to Liverpool, so I'm sure he could help out.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
So, we have lots of incidents where referees don’t give a penalty because a player was not knocked over - even though they were fouled.
Yet no one can name a single incident.
Welcome to JA606.
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Wasn't Salah fouled a few weeks ago but stayed on his feet? I think he may have scored as well.
comment by Winston (U16525)
TOOR, what’s ridiculous is that you think players can decide when they’ve been fouled.
I don’t think Salah was fouled. Judging by what I’ve read, nor does anyone outside a Liverpool shirt.
So how can you say Salah knows he was fouled?
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Players know when they've been fouled. Most of the time they go down and sometimes they even grab the ball before the whistle has been blown.
Salah knew he had been fouled otherwise how did he know when to go down?
Get the fack outta town Winston.
comment by No Love - Monumentally Dope (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
I don't remember an isolated incident no, but I just know that it happens and seems unfair when it does.
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Why would you remember? Why would you know? Its an impossible question being put forward to make a struggling point.
The fact that you can't name another incident doesn't mean these incidents are rare.
These incidents don't make the news. If one happened between Fulham and Southampton, how would you know(unless you watched the game).
No one is in a position to judge how often it happens. It's not a recorded statistic, it doesn't make the news, and nobody watches more than a handful of games a week.
Let's say you've seen it happen twice this season. How many games have you watched? Extrapolate that to all the games played that you didn't watch. It could be happening very often.
Basically its a load of crap.
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Yep this.
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Yet no one can name a single incident.
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What?
It happened to Salah just this month.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
People probably don't tend to make notes of these incidents.
Actually, ask Billy the Yidd. He keeps a record of this kind of stuff, especially relating to Liverpool, so I'm sure he could help out.
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No, but if they’re happening as frequently as some on here would have us believe, you’d expect at least one in an entire round of PL fixtures, no?
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posted on 28/12/18
TOOR, you having the audacity to accuse me of arguing in black and white is laughable given your recent history. Comedy gold.
You have been sucked into believing players know when they have been fouled and your point is flawed for two reasons.
1. Players like Salah don’t consider the contact and decide they’ve been fouled and need to act. That is not realistic at all. What they do is feel a touch and go down. They cheat, because it wins them free kicks and penalties. They then tell gullible prats like you that they only do it because the referee wouldn’t give them a decision otherwise and it’s all so unfair.
2. A player does not know if he’s been fouled. Salah didn’t know he’d been fouled. He may have thought it (unlikely) but he didn’t know it. Why? Because it’s the refs decision, not his.
Would the referee have given a penalty had Salah not brown himself over? Unlikely. Would the ref be wrong? No.
You see, most challenges where people stay on their feet are not awarded a penalty because they’re not deemed to be a foul.
The extent of contact is crucial in determining whether a foul has been committed so if the touch, in this case, on Salah was barely enough to register let alone knock him to the ground, then that has to be taken into account when deciding if it was a foul.
That has been taken away from the referee and so he’s made a decision based on false information.
He’s cheated and he should be punished for it.
Oh and this strawman nonsense - I know exactly what you said and that’s why I’m pulling it apart, piece by piece.
You’ll never admit it of course, you never do, but it’s always good fun to tear your argument apart and leave you in a mess. The Suarez/Evra case and you not knowing the handball law we’re probably my two favourites. Let’s see how this one goes.
posted on 28/12/18
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 48 minutes ago
Also if this isn't the case, and everybody but you knows that it is, why wasn't Salah punished retrospectively?
I suggest taking another break.
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Everybody but me?
There you go again, trying to lie your way through things. It’s only Liverpool fans on JA606 who back you up.
The FA make a mess of dealing with retrospective punishment. Hundreds of diving incidents go unpunished. That is not a ringing endorsement of Salah’s innocence and it’s quite desperate to suggest it is.
Oh, and what break?
You may take breaks from a forum because you’re so obsessed that you’re here arguing on Christmas Day, like a lonely boring man, but I don’t need to. I just use it when I fancy because I have a decent life. You should try it sometime.
posted on 28/12/18
There are plenty of fouls that occur when players stay on their feet, and penalties not given for them.
posted on 28/12/18
comment by Christmas Chronic (U3423)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnnieRd (U18971)
posted 14 hours, 25 minutes ago
Just seen this;
“Tottenham’s attendance at Wembley vs Bournemouth in the Premier League: 45,154 today
Sunderland’s attendance at the Stadium of Light vs Bradford in League One: 46,039 today”
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the mousers always move to irrelevant comments when they are getting a good shoeing
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Sunderland
Mind the gap lad
posted on 28/12/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 12 minutes ago
There are plenty of fouls that occur when players stay on their feet, and penalties not given for them.
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Can you name a single incident from the Boxing Day fixtures?
Genuine question - I’ll take a look.
It does happen of course, but rarely in my opinion. Maybe that’s because all the players are now throwing themselves on the floor.
Thank goodness we have these honest players to help the referees like that.
posted on 28/12/18
I can't from the Boxing Day fixtures, no. But it seems that if a player is impeded but stays on his feet, a penalty will not be given. There may not have been enough contact to go down, but it can still put him at a disadvantage. He may be knocked off his stride, held back for a split second which means he loses the ball or that his next touch of the ball is delayed which can be the difference between scoring a goal and not, and so in that situation I can understand players going down.
posted on 28/12/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
I can't from the Boxing Day fixtures, no. But it seems that if a player is impeded but stays on his feet, a penalty will not be given. There may not have been enough contact to go down, but it can still put him at a disadvantage. He may be knocked off his stride, held back for a split second which means he loses the ball or that his next touch of the ball is delayed which can be the difference between scoring a goal and not, and so in that situation I can understand players going down.
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With respect though, fans are not best placed to adjudge there’s been a foul. Particularly for their own team.
I wonder how many of these supposed incidents would actually be deemed a foul by referees who get another look at it.
Can you remember the last one you saw like that then?
I agree it happens but not nearly as much as the players using it as an excuse to dive would have you believe.
Ultimately there’s no excuse anyway.
posted on 28/12/18
I don't remember an isolated incident no, but I just know that it happens and seems unfair when it does.
posted on 28/12/18
Winston I couldn't be bothered reading through that all. Unfortunately I'm back to work today. However you main point seems to be that you're saying, and we've been through this before, that players don't know when they're fouled. Of course they know. That's a ridiculous point. You're saying that Salah didn't know he was pulled back and just hit the deck for no reason? Don't be ridiculous.
The referee would have been wrong had he not given the penalty as you aren't allowed to pull your opponent and when you do it should be a penalty. This is why players go down and why they will continue to do so. To suggest otherwise is also ridiculous.
posted on 28/12/18
2. A player does not know if he’s been fouled. Salah didn’t know he’d been fouled. He may have thought it (unlikely) but he didn’t know it. Why? Because it’s the refs decision, not his.
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posted on 28/12/18
You gotta be kidding me
posted on 28/12/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 32 minutes ago
I don't remember an isolated incident no, but I just know that it happens and seems unfair when it does.
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Okay well again with respect, but I find that hard to believe if it’s as common as you suggest.
posted on 28/12/18
TOOR, what’s ridiculous is that you think players can decide when they’ve been fouled.
I don’t think Salah was fouled. Judging by what I’ve read, nor does anyone outside a Liverpool shirt.
So how can you say Salah knows he was fouled?
That single point alone proves you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
As usual.
posted on 28/12/18
The FA seem to think he was fouled too.
posted on 28/12/18
Oh and TOOR, yet again you prove you don’t understand the laws.
The referee would not have been wrong. It’s a subjective decision. There’s no law that says what you claim. You need to understand the laws to understand why you’re wrong.
No chance of that happening anytime soon.
Black and white you say? Thanks for proving my point.
posted on 28/12/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
The FA seem to think he was fouled too.
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If that’s your only defence of Salah in this case, it’s an incredibly weak one. Remind yourself of that commen the next time you see a United player dive who isn’t retrospectively charged.
posted on 28/12/18
So, we have lots of incidents where referees don’t give a penalty because a player was not knocked over - even though they were fouled.
Yet no one can name a single incident.
Welcome to JA606.
posted on 28/12/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
I don't remember an isolated incident no, but I just know that it happens and seems unfair when it does.
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Why would you remember? Why would you know? Its an impossible question being put forward to make a struggling point.
The fact that you can't name another incident doesn't mean these incidents are rare.
These incidents don't make the news. If one happened between Fulham and Southampton, how would you know(unless you watched the game).
No one is in a position to judge how often it happens. It's not a recorded statistic, it doesn't make the news, and nobody watches more than a handful of games a week.
Let's say you've seen it happen twice this season. How many games have you watched? Extrapolate that to all the games played that you didn't watch. It could be happening very often.
Basically its a load of crap.
posted on 28/12/18
People probably don't tend to make notes of these incidents.
Actually, ask Billy the Yidd. He keeps a record of this kind of stuff, especially relating to Liverpool, so I'm sure he could help out.
posted on 28/12/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
So, we have lots of incidents where referees don’t give a penalty because a player was not knocked over - even though they were fouled.
Yet no one can name a single incident.
Welcome to JA606.
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Wasn't Salah fouled a few weeks ago but stayed on his feet? I think he may have scored as well.
posted on 28/12/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
TOOR, what’s ridiculous is that you think players can decide when they’ve been fouled.
I don’t think Salah was fouled. Judging by what I’ve read, nor does anyone outside a Liverpool shirt.
So how can you say Salah knows he was fouled?
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Players know when they've been fouled. Most of the time they go down and sometimes they even grab the ball before the whistle has been blown.
Salah knew he had been fouled otherwise how did he know when to go down?
Get the fack outta town Winston.
posted on 28/12/18
comment by No Love - Monumentally Dope (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
I don't remember an isolated incident no, but I just know that it happens and seems unfair when it does.
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Why would you remember? Why would you know? Its an impossible question being put forward to make a struggling point.
The fact that you can't name another incident doesn't mean these incidents are rare.
These incidents don't make the news. If one happened between Fulham and Southampton, how would you know(unless you watched the game).
No one is in a position to judge how often it happens. It's not a recorded statistic, it doesn't make the news, and nobody watches more than a handful of games a week.
Let's say you've seen it happen twice this season. How many games have you watched? Extrapolate that to all the games played that you didn't watch. It could be happening very often.
Basically its a load of crap.
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Yep this.
posted on 28/12/18
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posted on 28/12/18
Yet no one can name a single incident.
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What?
It happened to Salah just this month.
posted on 28/12/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
People probably don't tend to make notes of these incidents.
Actually, ask Billy the Yidd. He keeps a record of this kind of stuff, especially relating to Liverpool, so I'm sure he could help out.
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No, but if they’re happening as frequently as some on here would have us believe, you’d expect at least one in an entire round of PL fixtures, no?
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