They sent Jon to the Night's Watch because why again??

Who tf knows why anything happened?

Poor guy, has to love happily with his friends now.

So many things in that made literally zero sense.

Why would Jon join the nights watch when they have no purpose anymore? Why would he be exiled when they only did it to appease the unsullied who then leave anyway?

Why would Bran be king when he doesn't care about emotions anymore, can he even make an heir

And why would Bronn of all people sit on the small council?

They ended it in such a way that if they ever decided to pick it up again, they could with ease.

Coming 2025 - Nights watch: Tales from the wall



Jon Snow is a successful toll booth owner at the Wall who lives in his two up two down shack in the real north with his flatmate Tormund Giantsbane and pet dog ghost. Special episodes and characters worth mentioning are "The return of Aarya the explorer"- Jons explorer relative turns up with a rare hippotanger and needs to keep it a somewhere but Tormund sees it as another love interest

"Sansa comes to tea" - Another of Jons stuffy relative turns up and does not like the state of the company Jon Keeps. Tormund also has a surplus amount of linencloths he needs to offload pretty quick.

"All Hail king Bran" - the westerosi king is in the area and drops in on Bran in person for once instead of warging into a local raven population - Jon may think that his brother has other reasons as this isnt the most wheelchair friendly place to be. Guest appearance from Kristian Nairn as the ghost of Hodor

So Bran basically set this all up to become king.
He justified the slaughter of hundreds of thousands.
He's as culpable as Dany.

Such poor writing

- The shot of Drogon's wings out behind Dany might've been the coolest singular shot in the entire series. Absolutely beautiful.

- Peter Dinklage & Emilia Clarke's acting stole the episode. There were moments when I was buying the terrible writing of Dany's character this series purely off the strength of their combined acting. Especially Emilia, really good sad psycho eyes. Props to her, she really stepped up this series, no longer the weak link acting wise.

- The ending to Sansa's character was fitting/Arya's was OK. And again beautifully shot, in general the visuals of the episode was stunning.

- The music throughout the episode was fantastic.

- Brienne filling in Jamie's accomplishments/A Song of Ice and Fire book all good little touches.

Those were the positives I remember, everything else completely sucked. Bran as King is ridiculous (though everyone laughing down the idea of democracy was funny). Bronn on the small council was weird, let alone the idea of one if Bran's King. Snow given the harsh sentence of living with his friends was unintentionally laughable. Dany's death (though beautifully shot) fall completely flat. Weak finale, terrible series.

kind of made sense, jon has forever said he didn't want the throne and always looked his most comfortable with the free folk so off he went

sansa from series 6-7? has always made it clear she wants to rule somewhere so she gets to do that

arya looks like she going to become the next Columbus

the whole counsel thing was a mess though, bron, seriously?

for me I think a more fitting finale would have been the remaining stark children back(bar bran) in winterfell as the season finishes just how it started, jon despite being something else accepts the fact he is a stark(damn it ned was good to him) and the season ending with some type of bran voiceover saying how he planned this all along from when he became the 3 eyed raven, just leave it on a bit of a twist

- Tyrion crying over Jaime's body was the highlight of that for me. Great acting from Dinklage.

- Drogon showed an amazing grasp of symbolism burning the throne, though part of me wanted to see him throw Jon around like a chew toy.

- Dany should have lasted longer than 30-odd minutes. Rest of the episode was boring after that.

Never been so underwhelmed with a finale and I was expecting to be underwhelmed. Interested to see how the books will end if GRRM ever manages to finish them.

Bit meh really.

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Bit meh really.
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The entire series now that last season and a half completely decimated it.

It’s a shame how it petered out. Bet Forza has been loving this.

Well that was underwhelming.

I guess GRRM gets what he wanted now. Wrote the books with an ever expanding storyline and didn’t know how to bring it back together; so he quickly hits down a few ideas to give to the TV series to see how it falls.

Man I defended the series for most of it, grasping to the slight chance in the finale but that episode was just so bad. The first 30 minutes were really good but then it just fell flat after Dani died, which btw was the easiest kill in the whole show. Nobody bought this Jon/Dani love story so it’s not like Jon was making some tragic decision. The best thing I can say about the episode is it ended in a way it can easily be reopened for some better writers to come rescue it. I honestly think D&D didn’t know how to end it so left things like that. There are still a lot of loose ends untied

After some thought, I think the endgame of most of the character stories COULD have made sense.

The real problem is the (lack of) buildup to all of the character conclusions. Also, the episode itself is (AGAIN) full of plot holes and inconsistency. Let's look at each of the main characters in turn:

Danaerys. This is what mostly ruined the ending. There were no signs of any 'madness' before her sudden turn to torch the city last episode. Yes, she made threats but never suggested anything that would hint she would go on to kill thousands of civilians. For everyone she executed, she had good reason. And so, her death feels meaningless because her character was not believable any more. We either needed more time to appreciate her transformation into this evil villain or they should have started her turn a lot earlier than Episode 4/6 in the Final Season!

Because Danaery's turn seems so unrealistic, everything else feels empty because her sudden turn to madness is central to everyone else's plot.

Jon had to kill her, no doubt. But I did not feel anything in that moment. It was expected but I did not know who Danaerys was anymore, she certainly wasn't the person I watched grow over the past 7 years. If you can't understand a character, their death will have no impact and that's exactly what happened here.

This brings me to Jon Snow. There is nothing special about his character that meant it had to be him to kill Danaerys. Arya could have easily done it or Tyrion, Davos, Varys etc. It doesn't make sense to resurrect Jon for this reason. It's poetic since they were lovers but that's about it. It was always hinted that Jon had a greater purpose - to destroy the Night King. He fought him beyond the wall, they knew each other. It seemed like they had some kind of deeper connection. Arya killing the Night King felt cheap and unwarranted. Jon has just become a puppet, being used and pulled by everyone with no will of his own anymore. He even had to be manipulated by Tyrion to kill Dany.

Jon is sentenced to go back to the Night's Watch for killing Dany - here is the episode's biggest inconsistency. I don't understand why GreyWorm didn't execute Jon and Tyrion after they betrayed and killed his Queen. Grey-Worm was fiercely loyal and was seen butchering Lannisters at the start of the episode because he is getting rid of 'all enemies of Danaerys'. He would of course killed Jon and Tyrion instead of holding them hostage until foreign rulers arrived! Also, the Unsullied and Dothraki have no Leader, no allegiances to any other Ruler and their late Queen just declared war on the remaining 6 Kingdoms. So how are all these Leaders sitting and laughing in King's Landing as a council? It made no sense.

Also, why sentence Jon back to an organisation that has no purpose? The Night's Watch was meant to keep out the Wildlings and any other supernatural threat. The Wildlings are living inside the wall and the Night King is dead. Bran should have explained why we still needed the wall. I am therefore not ok with how this played out.

Bran's appointment felt strange to me. He's not in touch with his human side, why would he make a good ruler? His monotone voice and clinical language will draw no inspiration from the people or the armies. He has no charisma and has never been a Leader. However, Bran would be a perfect member of the council instead and with his unlimited knowledge, he would make an invaluable adviser to any King or Queen. I am not comfortable with him as King but meh, I can live with it.

Arya travels to see what is 'West of Westeros'. This was foreshadowed, she had no desire to be a 'Lady' and became completely independent.. She had shown this traveler's curiosity before so I'm OK with this.

Sansa rules the North, which is expected but I came to dislike her character the most (not sure if she's supposed to be hated or not). She basically plotted against Danaerys and betrayed Jon's trust to get Jon on the throne and is the main reason for the chaos in Kings Landing. She is the show's last biggest game player but she wins and is rewarded with her own Kingdom, separate from the rest. However, I think this selfishness would cause the other Rulers to want separation too? (especially Yara, who supported Dany) So I'm not sure how she got away with this.

Tyrion has been the most consistent character. Sure, his charm, wit and intelligence have suffered the past few seasons but there were no books to draw from. His motives were always clear, to see a fair ruler on the Iron Throne.

Bronne ends up on the council. A lowlife sell-sword whose loyalty switches like the wind. He talks of rebuilding brothels and is appointed Master of Coin. I didn't like this at all and Tyrion should have known better than to have a man like that in a position of influence. I thought we were building a better world?

Drogon destroys the Throne and ignores Jon because ( I presume) Jon is a Targaeryan and dragons don't target them? Anyways this is supposed to symbolize a new beginning, yet we still have a Dictator (King Bran) so this doesn't quite add up either.

In summary, the endings of the characters COULD have worked with further explanation and build-up. They made HUGE mistakes with Danaerys & Jon's character. There are too many plot holes and inconsistencies throughout the last few seasons to be ignored and ultimately we end up with an unsatisfying Finale.

I view this series in two parts. Season 1-5 (mostly following the books) and Seasons 6-8 (show writers attempt).

You have to view the last few seasons with lower expectations because there is no rich source material to adapt from. They went for action at the cost of story and they could have gotten away with it if they had just been more careful. However, characters were unfairly destroyed (Dany, Jon, Jaime) for shock value and logic went out the window (just like Tommen did) for a lot of scenes. The quality in writing dropped too far and the whole story was damaged as a result.

It's a sad end to what could have been an epic masterpiece (up there with Lord of the Rings) and could have been watched by many future generations.

But how can you re-watch the series when you know half of the early character development and foreshadowing doesn't amount to anything?

All in all, it's been a great ride and I have witnessed some memorable moments, fantastic cinematography and incredible acting. But now, my watch has ended and it's time to move on

Don't understand the hate for that episode. Bar a couple of minor things it tied it up in a palatable way.

I enjoyed it.

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It was bad, though not for the reasons most people say. I actually think the plot choices with Daenerys were justified. Sadly, however, they rushed the execution of them.
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There's a weird misconception among fans who've defended episode 5 (not you, just making a point) that people's problem with it was Dany burning King's Landing in principle.

Couldn't be further from the truth. It has been foreshadowed since S2 and she's proven herself capable of doing something like that, it was the lack of a convincing reason why. Having her closest advisers die, Sansa/Tyrion/Snow plotting against her was a good start, but only a start. You've build up this character's sense of assurance and self awareness for seven seasons, it's insulting fans intelligence to expect us to believe she's that weak when they've shove her in our faces (at times in a very overbearing way) as being one thing and then she does something like that in complete contradiction to her beliefs.

God bless Emilia Clarke for trying to make this work when it's now become very clear she was just as p!ssed with this as all of us. Thought she's coasted with this character up till now but I've not got a bad word to say about her this series.

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I’ve seen logic to most of the conclusions of each character arc apart from Bran. That was the worst written part of the show. Literally the only reason to justify it is him being a Stark, and he was the least deserving of all the family considering everything that went before.

I get that GOT’s thing has been about misdirection to be able to twist the storyline at the last minute. But there has to be a background that allows for it to be done effectively, and this just wasn’t the case with Bran.

I can’t help but feel short changed by the path the writers have taken this show. Which is a shame, because it should have been so much better.

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Thought all of it made sense and it was the right ending for most of the characters. The issues with it were mainly down to the run up to it and it really should have been ten episodes, but every arc of the main characters finished in the right way, Jon in particular.

I was fine with that as ending. Just wish they’d done a few more on the run up to it.