Agree with the night king on this - a bunch of people are saying its the best bit of TV ever but I think its one of the episodes that will be not-so good other than a few of the set peices on a rewatch (Which is something Im going to be doing tonight).


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Firstly the lighting. I know it was needed for the first shots to build the tension but there were so many scenes that I was left thinking "What exactly just happen then?" (Dragon fight had me confused who had done what in terms of damage)

In character terms there were also a number of flaws

The battle planning was woeful - Dothraki full on running to their deaths...why

Last season Walkers can be held in a wooden box, this season - oh yeah they can punch trough stone

Bran basically spending the whole battle warging into birds and absolutely no payoff for the conversation he had with Tyrion last episode


Ghost charging off in the first attack then not appearing also makes me think that they seem to have added the dog as an afterthought, hes visible in the next episode trailer but so far noone has seemed to take notice of him.

I have a few more irks but I will leave it at that for now

The did the whole army of the dead and the Night King dirty with this latest episode.

The tactics made absolutely no sense. You're fighting an army who outnumber you at least 10 to 1 and every man they kill joins their army. Surely the plan would be minimise hand to hand combat by sticking as many obstacles as possible between you and their army whilst firing wave after wave of arrows and trebuchets to thin them out?

You would definitely not send the dothraki in a head on charge at the very beginning of the battle, that's just dumb.

Dany is willing to sacrifice anyone to get on that Iron Throne so I wouldn't expect her to worry about some Dothraki cannon fodder.

Jon is not that smart either so expecting him to come up with any battle plan is just asking for failure.

The did the whole army of the dead and the Night King dirty with this latest episode.
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That was my initial reaction, but the more I've thought about it I can't help but commend it

People have been speculating about The Night King for two years (myself included) - he's Bran, he's the prince that was promised, he's the Mad king, he's actually a good guy, etc... but not ONE person saw that coming. Seriously, I've not seen one fan who predicted it.

The rest of the episode had tons of problems. The lighting was terrible, the consistency of where characters were at certain times was all over the place, the battle plan was atrocious (but tbf Jon has previous/proven to be a poor commander).

comment by EzioTyke (U2737)
posted 10 hours, 4 minutes ago
Agree with the night king on this - a bunch of people are saying its the best bit of TV ever but I think its one of the episodes that will be not-so good other than a few of the set peices on a rewatch (Which is something Im going to be doing tonight).


****Spoiler Warning********


Firstly the lighting. I know it was needed for the first shots to build the tension but there were so many scenes that I was left thinking "What exactly just happen then?" (Dragon fight had me confused who had done what in terms of damage)

In character terms there were also a number of flaws

The battle planning was woeful - Dothraki full on running to their deaths...why

Last season Walkers can be held in a wooden box, this season - oh yeah they can punch trough stone

Bran basically spending the whole battle warging into birds and absolutely no payoff for the conversation he had with Tyrion last episode


Ghost charging off in the first attack then not appearing also makes me think that they seem to have added the dog as an afterthought, hes visible in the next episode trailer but so far noone has seemed to take notice of him.

I have a few more irks but I will leave it at that for now

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Agree with all this. So many plot holes. Also Jorah just telling the Dothraki to do what Melisandre (where did she come from?!) told them to do, too, doesn’t make sense. Why would Jorah trust a women he’s never met?

Still all that being said, it was a tense, gripping dramatic episode that had me as an emotional wreck by the end

Just watched it having avoided social media all day. That was absolutely epic.

That was a epic battle but anti climatic end. The Knight King who is this killing machine just dies with a whimper. How the fek did his lieutenants not see Arya?

comment by (kash) I'm the Mané (U1108)
posted 20 minutes ago
That was a epic battle but anti climatic end. The Knight King who is this killing machine just dies with a whimper. How the fek did his lieutenants not see Arya?
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Probably the best episode of arc show I’ve ever seen. Go Arya!

comment by (kash) I'm the Mané (U1108)
posted 24 minutes ago
That was a epic battle but anti climatic end. The Knight King who is this killing machine just dies with a whimper. How the fek did his lieutenants not see Arya?
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The girl is no one.

Sure there were plenty of plot holes. But the other option is everyone just dies (which is what should have happened - each major character had at least one scene where it should have been impossible for them to survive). If you want realism GoT isn't really the show.

Still thought it was fecking awesome. No one, literally no one saw that coming.

Am a bit intrigued about what the last 3 episodes have in store though. Can see them being a bit anticlimactic.

trebuchets at the front

the charge - they just wanted a cool 'oh crap' moment and wanted to avoid having to film horses in battle. shame as it was the most stupid possible thing they could do. Should have had a normal charge by the wights, then the dothraki charge out through gaps in the unsullied formation which pushes back the horde slightly, THEN have the massive wave of wights come in and roll over them. They could have even had flaming swords still, on the wall it would still look like a candle being blown out.

No oil or tar to pour over the sides of the wall?

The giant is smacking everyone but decides 'hey, id like to eat this one'

Didnt show ghost return after the charge.

Dany deciding to sit still in a massive field of wights ill put down to her own stupidity.

Jon could have also lit the trench with rhaegal easily solved by just having him fly around for a few minutes before and returning to the wall when the fire was lit by melisandre.

Still enjoyed it though, would to have liked to have known more about the knight king, if they wanted him to be someone devoid of emotion and purely killing because thats all he does then why have him draw out killing bran or arya when everbody else gets killed immediately.

night king even

There are theories that the Night King was a Stark so maybe he had remorse for them. That stare off with him and Bran at the end, for a split second I wondered if his plan was even to kill him.

oh also the night king actually has a brain, he got his giant to hold a massive club

wun wun used his bare hands

also wtf was bran doing with the ravens all that time?

Just seems odd that from episode 1 they have been slowly building the dead army and then finally in the final series we see more of them and the knight king makes a schoolboy error.

If only he'd walked abit faster

comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 43 seconds ago
If only he'd walked abit faster
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Yeah even Pogba takes a pen quicker than that

i wish martin had done all the books, show dropped in (script)quality when they passed them

The lighting wasn’t that bad at all, what did you expect, wibterfell castle to look like a national trust castle, with striplights Maybe the wights queuing up to get a coffee at the canteen? Was what you imagine a castle lit by small candles would be like

Agree!on the characters popping up in places though, but what else could they do?

Battle tactics were very daft. Send the dithraki in to die? Why? You’d have the place set up with fire pits and obstacles everywhere, the unsullied in the middle, with the Calvary to whip in from the side on the flanks.

Not sure what the significance with bran was though?

Awesome tv though, I can’t see anything beating that for epic ness for a very, very long time.

Stage is set for Cersei to annihilate them all now..

Cersei blows up Kings Landing with most of Westeros’ population in it leaving Bran to sit next to that tree and rule Westeros.