If BPF wants first team football I don't blame him. And good on him.
He isn't good enough for a side looking to win the Championship though.
And such a weak argument saying he was in a side that was top of the league. Do you realise how many different factors there are involved in that.
Would be happy to see Casilla go and get his wages off the books. Biggest issue is his arrogance and lack of English. Obviously got a lot of ability. But can't see it working at Leeds. Will find a club in La Liga hopefully.
Get one keeper in. Don't think we would need to replace BPF.
how much are they to buy?
maybe look on gumtree for one?
I said before, there are more good keepers then there are teams out there.
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yet Orta's signed none of them.
He isn't good enough for a side looking to win the Championship though.
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We were top of the league for weeks with BPF in the team.
I'm with Mattyp on this. There are good keepers out there.
Not going to cry if Casilla goes back to Spain.
So was Saiz, so was Douglas, so Berardi at Centre Back, so was Alioski at left wing.
That means that they are all good enough as well then.
You need to go on a course in understanding statistics mate.
Nobody is saying Leeds were top of the league because of BPF, merely stating he was a part of that successful period.
End of the day we don’t have a good enough top level championship keeper at the club full stop and we either sign one more to challenge with BPF or get 2 in.
Sheff Utd nailed it on the keeper front. Dean Henderson from Man Utd on a season long loan paid off pretty bloody well. There are others like him in the Prem.
Unfortunately we got Blackman and he got injured. But even before the injury he didn't look that great.
End of the day we don’t have a good enough top level championship keeper at the club full stop
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He was good enough to be part of side that was top for a long time.
He made mistakes just as others did, but he also won us a lot of points just as others did.
It's bizarre, when we were top it was nothing to do with BPF, yet , when Casilla comes in and we slip away from top its the rest of the team's fault.
Yes that sounds like a consistent point of view Jonty.
How bizarre! Obviously not something you are used to.
If you watch Leeds it was very clear to see that the difference between the first half of the season and the second was the speed in which we played/pressed and the quality we had in possession of the ball.
a lot of Leeds fans said BPF wasn't good enough for us, a lot thought he was the weak link in our side when we were top.
me included, I was his biggest critic, and I still don't think he's quite good enough.. not saying he won't be, but at the time I was very pleased we signed Kiko, and thought he did really well for us too.
I wouldn;t even be too upset if we kept the same, Kiko number 1, BPF number 2.
Not at £30k per week. We need to get him off our books. That would free up cash for some decent loanees.
comment by Peakwhite (U7815)
posted 8 minutes ago
Not at £30k per week. We need to get him off our books. That would free up cash for some decent loanees.
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hmm, prob agree with that to be fair Peak
We were top of the league early season as we were generally playing opposition off the park, through high energy & a system probably a bit unfamiliar to many sides. Time moved on, our players fatigued, opposition sussed our tactics & we became beatable.
The players in the squad varied throughout, so I’m not sure you can say yes or no whether BPF was key or not.
I like the guy, think he’s an ok keeper. But if we want promotion he’s a No2 - a good one albeit. We need better as our No1. If he can’t live with that & wants to move on to get No1 status elsewhere, then I’ll thank him & wish him well.
👍🏽👍🏽
The players in the squad varied throughout, so I’m not sure you can say yes or no whether BPF was key or not.
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If the players varied, yet the keeper remained the same, then the keeper is actually the one player that you can say was key.
Think there’s some good balanced debate on this mostly here lads. My take, I like that he says he wants to play, I want to see that and confidence in a player. Should he talk about contract offers? Maybe not, but there will be interest in him, and he probably just wants the club to offer him a deal or let him move on. Is that really an ultimatum? If they can’t intimate that he’s their preferred choice to start the season... and I get that that’s a tricky one for the club then he might be interested in a loan deal... but again that means we need 2 keepers.
Do I think we should keep him? If we can yes, there is the makings of a good keeper there... and importantly his distribution is excellent and that’s key to Bielsa ball. Did it impact how well the team performed v casilla? Really hard to say.
Playing keeper in a Bielsa team with a high press isn’t easy for anyone. I think we’ll get mistakes from any keeper, but there’s no doubting bpf made a few. Can the club gamble on experience reducing the errors. I’m pretty sure it will but can you risk that in what is hopefully a promotion season? It’s not an easy call.
Ortas let green go and brought in 4 keepers since.
None have been a success.
Have no problem bringing in another keeper to replace Casilla, I just wouldn’t let Orta choose him.
Don’t care what results say, what stats say.
I’ll let me eyes tell me.
BFP, was barely saving anything, it was starting to cost us goals and needed to replace him.
Sadly we went and signed some stiff, on huge wages and a four year deal, who has also turned out not to be good enough.
Both need replacing.
But BFP is right, he needs to be playing, he’s right to say it, and he wish him well at his next club
Us being top for a while had nothing to do with poppadom wrists, that was plain to see.
It would be a travesty if he was our no.1 next season
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 33 minutes ago
The players in the squad varied throughout, so I’m not sure you can say yes or no whether BPF was key or not.
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If the players varied, yet the keeper remained the same, then the keeper is actually the one player that you can say was key.
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I didn’t commit one way or the other Jonty. He stepped up & on the whole did well. But I still don’t think he’s a No1 keeper over a whole season.
It’s strange, almost everyone says we didn’t go up because we weren’t good enough at converting multitude of chances yet BPF is the one said to not be good enough.
Im not saying whether hes promotion wining keeper or not but during his time in team we were top for most of it and Bielsa along with everyone else has said the issue was conversion of chances. The continued criticism BPF receives is inappropriate.
I agree, the criticism is unfair. I’d have no issue with him staying, but not as our No1. Said above in anther post that he can/could improve, I think that too. But if he’s not happy with a supporting role, then regrettably that’s up to him & I wish him well.
If he does stay, if he’s made our No1, I’ll support him 100% like every other player. I’m more than happy for him to prove me wrong.
"I’m more than happy for him to prove me wrong."
Plenty here who are sure they can do it, don't need BPF for that!
I genuinely believe there is a good keeper in there.
But there is no use pretending there were not weaknesses in his game, and to me these were major problems.
His shot stopping being the obvious one to point towards.
He is young mind, so he can improve, but for me I just cant see him being here long term.
And after he leaves us I dont see him making it higher up then the championship
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posted on 7/6/19
If BPF wants first team football I don't blame him. And good on him.
He isn't good enough for a side looking to win the Championship though.
And such a weak argument saying he was in a side that was top of the league. Do you realise how many different factors there are involved in that.
Would be happy to see Casilla go and get his wages off the books. Biggest issue is his arrogance and lack of English. Obviously got a lot of ability. But can't see it working at Leeds. Will find a club in La Liga hopefully.
Get one keeper in. Don't think we would need to replace BPF.
posted on 7/6/19
how much are they to buy?
maybe look on gumtree for one?
posted on 7/6/19
I said before, there are more good keepers then there are teams out there.
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yet Orta's signed none of them.
posted on 7/6/19
He isn't good enough for a side looking to win the Championship though.
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We were top of the league for weeks with BPF in the team.
posted on 7/6/19
I'm with Mattyp on this. There are good keepers out there.
Not going to cry if Casilla goes back to Spain.
posted on 7/6/19
So was Saiz, so was Douglas, so Berardi at Centre Back, so was Alioski at left wing.
That means that they are all good enough as well then.
You need to go on a course in understanding statistics mate.
posted on 7/6/19
Nobody is saying Leeds were top of the league because of BPF, merely stating he was a part of that successful period.
End of the day we don’t have a good enough top level championship keeper at the club full stop and we either sign one more to challenge with BPF or get 2 in.
posted on 7/6/19
Sheff Utd nailed it on the keeper front. Dean Henderson from Man Utd on a season long loan paid off pretty bloody well. There are others like him in the Prem.
Unfortunately we got Blackman and he got injured. But even before the injury he didn't look that great.
posted on 7/6/19
End of the day we don’t have a good enough top level championship keeper at the club full stop
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He was good enough to be part of side that was top for a long time.
He made mistakes just as others did, but he also won us a lot of points just as others did.
It's bizarre, when we were top it was nothing to do with BPF, yet , when Casilla comes in and we slip away from top its the rest of the team's fault.
posted on 7/6/19
Yes that sounds like a consistent point of view Jonty.
How bizarre! Obviously not something you are used to.
If you watch Leeds it was very clear to see that the difference between the first half of the season and the second was the speed in which we played/pressed and the quality we had in possession of the ball.
posted on 7/6/19
a lot of Leeds fans said BPF wasn't good enough for us, a lot thought he was the weak link in our side when we were top.
me included, I was his biggest critic, and I still don't think he's quite good enough.. not saying he won't be, but at the time I was very pleased we signed Kiko, and thought he did really well for us too.
I wouldn;t even be too upset if we kept the same, Kiko number 1, BPF number 2.
posted on 7/6/19
Not at £30k per week. We need to get him off our books. That would free up cash for some decent loanees.
posted on 7/6/19
comment by Peakwhite (U7815)
posted 8 minutes ago
Not at £30k per week. We need to get him off our books. That would free up cash for some decent loanees.
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hmm, prob agree with that to be fair Peak
posted on 7/6/19
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posted on 7/6/19
We were top of the league early season as we were generally playing opposition off the park, through high energy & a system probably a bit unfamiliar to many sides. Time moved on, our players fatigued, opposition sussed our tactics & we became beatable.
The players in the squad varied throughout, so I’m not sure you can say yes or no whether BPF was key or not.
I like the guy, think he’s an ok keeper. But if we want promotion he’s a No2 - a good one albeit. We need better as our No1. If he can’t live with that & wants to move on to get No1 status elsewhere, then I’ll thank him & wish him well.
👍🏽👍🏽
posted on 7/6/19
The players in the squad varied throughout, so I’m not sure you can say yes or no whether BPF was key or not.
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If the players varied, yet the keeper remained the same, then the keeper is actually the one player that you can say was key.
posted on 7/6/19
Think there’s some good balanced debate on this mostly here lads. My take, I like that he says he wants to play, I want to see that and confidence in a player. Should he talk about contract offers? Maybe not, but there will be interest in him, and he probably just wants the club to offer him a deal or let him move on. Is that really an ultimatum? If they can’t intimate that he’s their preferred choice to start the season... and I get that that’s a tricky one for the club then he might be interested in a loan deal... but again that means we need 2 keepers.
Do I think we should keep him? If we can yes, there is the makings of a good keeper there... and importantly his distribution is excellent and that’s key to Bielsa ball. Did it impact how well the team performed v casilla? Really hard to say.
Playing keeper in a Bielsa team with a high press isn’t easy for anyone. I think we’ll get mistakes from any keeper, but there’s no doubting bpf made a few. Can the club gamble on experience reducing the errors. I’m pretty sure it will but can you risk that in what is hopefully a promotion season? It’s not an easy call.
posted on 7/6/19
Ortas let green go and brought in 4 keepers since.
None have been a success.
Have no problem bringing in another keeper to replace Casilla, I just wouldn’t let Orta choose him.
posted on 7/6/19
Don’t care what results say, what stats say.
I’ll let me eyes tell me.
BFP, was barely saving anything, it was starting to cost us goals and needed to replace him.
Sadly we went and signed some stiff, on huge wages and a four year deal, who has also turned out not to be good enough.
Both need replacing.
But BFP is right, he needs to be playing, he’s right to say it, and he wish him well at his next club
posted on 7/6/19
Us being top for a while had nothing to do with poppadom wrists, that was plain to see.
It would be a travesty if he was our no.1 next season
posted on 7/6/19
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 33 minutes ago
The players in the squad varied throughout, so I’m not sure you can say yes or no whether BPF was key or not.
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If the players varied, yet the keeper remained the same, then the keeper is actually the one player that you can say was key.
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I didn’t commit one way or the other Jonty. He stepped up & on the whole did well. But I still don’t think he’s a No1 keeper over a whole season.
posted on 7/6/19
It’s strange, almost everyone says we didn’t go up because we weren’t good enough at converting multitude of chances yet BPF is the one said to not be good enough.
Im not saying whether hes promotion wining keeper or not but during his time in team we were top for most of it and Bielsa along with everyone else has said the issue was conversion of chances. The continued criticism BPF receives is inappropriate.
posted on 7/6/19
I agree, the criticism is unfair. I’d have no issue with him staying, but not as our No1. Said above in anther post that he can/could improve, I think that too. But if he’s not happy with a supporting role, then regrettably that’s up to him & I wish him well.
If he does stay, if he’s made our No1, I’ll support him 100% like every other player. I’m more than happy for him to prove me wrong.
posted on 7/6/19
"I’m more than happy for him to prove me wrong."
Plenty here who are sure they can do it, don't need BPF for that!
posted on 7/6/19
I genuinely believe there is a good keeper in there.
But there is no use pretending there were not weaknesses in his game, and to me these were major problems.
His shot stopping being the obvious one to point towards.
He is young mind, so he can improve, but for me I just cant see him being here long term.
And after he leaves us I dont see him making it higher up then the championship
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