I like Labour but they seem to be free everything..
‘The UK is an embarrassing full-fibre laggard on the world stage, with only 8% of homes able to get it. This compares to countries such as Portugal, which has full fibre to 89% of homes, and Spain, which is at 71%.’
Taken from the guardian. Whilst we have some of the most expensive internet packages in Europe, there are still massive areas of the UK of the grid. Privatisation clearly hasn’t work in this sector up to now. And what’s more, this along with renewables is arguably the most important sectors for the future of humanity.
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Not too fussed about free broadband.
Is he still offering more bank holidays?
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Save that for another thread really or this is going to turn into policy debates when it should be about the privatisation of BT and it's pros and cons.
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Pros. Free Broadband for everyone.
Now you go....
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Short term management (Government thinking of the next election)
Reduced efficiency (No competition)
Poorly managed (just look at the funding for the NHS)
May need more funding - potential tax increase etc
That's just off the top of my head, look at the bigger picture ffs.
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Why don't you look at the actual picture and see how bad these services currently are.
People with this view point are the reason tories have ruined you country
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Are you serious, what benefit does a BT or Vodafone have in producing a bad service?
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You assume it will all be badly run and managed which you cannot be clear on, also plenty of these companies don't offer stellar service and the competition has done little to reduce costs across the board.
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I don't assume, I study basic economics.
You are Sizzle have offered no real alternative to my argument. This isnt a Labour vs Conserv thing, I hate both/all with a passion.
I just think privatisng BT is not a good idea
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Who’s side are you on?
Ordinary people, or tax dodging billionaires?
It’s really that simple.
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The way i look at it is that the parties should be focusing on what affects people most. Don't ever remember anyone saying to me that the cost of Broadband is out of control. Its a competitive market where there is a range of services on offer. People can always find good deals and can now move around with ease.
People will typically be spending more on a mobile phone contract than on BB. You can basically get fast BB for about £5 a week. Less than a bottle of wine. A pint and a half. 10 cigarettes.
To me this is a gimmick...offering something that really is not an issue with the vast majority, but the solution to achieve it will be hugely expensive and disruptive. It will only ever become a growing burden on the countries finances without having any significant productive benefits other than lowering peoples bills.
As someone else above said, the focus should be ensuring 5G is rolled out across the country and rural areas are much better served than currently. This will deliver fairness in a competitive market where market forces will ensure prices stay reasonable.
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When has that scenario EVER worked?
Not sure why so many people are losing their minds over this. Free broadband with national coverage is hardly fantasy land. It will happen either way in the not too distant future.
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I like Labour but they seem to be free everything..
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It’s not free.
Like everything else (pointless nuclear weapons, MP’s expenses) it’s paid for by taxes.
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Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
Yeah and people are missing the point. Labour aren’t only saying free broadband being rolled out. They are stating they will revolutionise infrastructure. Which clearly private companies have had decades to do and have failed.
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I’ll also take, the four day week, a properly funded NHS and social care, a second referendum and retirement before the age of 75.
Thank you, please.
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Yess
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Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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Do you not think it might bring millions of people out of poverty, mitigate the need for just as many food banks, and save the public purse millions of in work benefits???
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Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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Who are you to claim this? And why are you so against a massive company like McDonald's paying their staff more when it has zero impact on you?
Cant get my head around why so many seem to want to keep people down, absolute tories
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Who am I to have an opinion on something? Stop being so arrogant.
As I said, you pay people in low-skilled jobs £15/hour and watch the amount of people in work drop and businesses (particularly small) crumble. Not rocket science.
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I'm not being arrogant mate you are by claiming these people don't deserve it cause you think they don't.
Small business don't have an impact on what a late corporation pay their staff, its simple, the amount of profit the company makes is not reflected the wages they pay, this is the point.
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A minimum wage of £15/hour for fast-food workers and jobs of equivalent skill is not good for the economy however you look at it.
Small businesses won't be able to grow, there will be less jobs with businesses looking to technology instead, and stuff will cost a fortune.
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Sorry, why are we pandering to small business or ANY businesses as if they’re the be all and end all.
Wealth creator b0llocks.
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Because people of all walks of life are reliant on successful businesses for work.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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To be fair, that just highlights the issues with nursing rather than McDonalds.
Bursaries have been taken away and yet the Tories still expect people to pay ridiculous tuition fees for a mediocre paying job in a run down service.
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Yeah and people are missing the point. Labour aren’t only saying free broadband being rolled out. They are stating they will revolutionise infrastructure. Which clearly private companies have had decades to do and have failed.
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Time for REAL change.
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I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Labour
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Hope your eyes are OK Billy.
Honestly nine years of the Tories trashing the country, and you are still supporting them. I just don`t get how stupid people can get.
You happy with crumbling Health Service, Crumbling schools, Public Services in tatters, Transport system in a total mess. The Rich getting richer. It that`s what floats your boat, then far be it from me to spoil your party.
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Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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Who are you to claim this? And why are you so against a massive company like McDonald's paying their staff more when it has zero impact on you?
Cant get my head around why so many seem to want to keep people down, absolute tories
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Who am I to have an opinion on something? Stop being so arrogant.
As I said, you pay people in low-skilled jobs £15/hour and watch the amount of people in work drop and businesses (particularly small) crumble. Not rocket science.
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I'm not being arrogant mate you are by claiming these people don't deserve it cause you think they don't.
Small business don't have an impact on what a late corporation pay their staff, its simple, the amount of profit the company makes is not reflected the wages they pay, this is the point.
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A minimum wage of £15/hour for fast-food workers and jobs of equivalent skill is not good for the economy however you look at it.
Small businesses won't be able to grow, there will be less jobs with businesses looking to technology instead, and stuff will cost a fortune.
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Sorry, why are we pandering to small business or ANY businesses as if they’re the be all and end all.
Wealth creator b0llocks.
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Because people of all walks of life are reliant on successful businesses for work.
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And businesses are only successful because of their employees.
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Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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There has been stagnant wages in the public sector for decades. Even in NI nurses still earn less than there counterparts in GB. With the rates of inflation since the 90’s nurses should probably be earning close to 40k a year by now.
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Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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Do you not think it might bring millions of people out of poverty, mitigate the need for just as many food banks, and save the public purse millions of in work benefits???
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No i do not.
Wage bill increases by 50% will inevitably = product increasing in price and efficiencies made by the company to ensure product remains affordable = people lose their jobs.
SO the lucky ones who keep their £15 an hour for quite literally doing the most simple of tasks might well experience a better life. Repeat this through many of the unskilled workforce and you will see jobs and businesses suffer.
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Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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Literally what the Tories have been doing for decades...
Ad the leave campaign won a referendum on it. Why not join in!?
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I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Labour
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Hope your eyes are OK Billy.
Honestly nine years of the Tories trashing the country, and you are still supporting them. I just don`t get how stupid people can get.
You happy with crumbling Health Service, Crumbling schools, Public Services in tatters, Transport system in a total mess. The Rich getting richer. It that`s what floats your boat, then far be it from me to spoil your party.
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Sandy you can't constantly tell people not to insult you on here and then call anyone who disagrees with your political views stupid.
comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 13 minutes ago
I like Labour but they seem to be free everything..
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Well it`s not actually free mate, it is using the taxes that people pay, to give them services back.
I would rather my taxes be paid on things that actually affect my life, than propping up an outdated Royal Family and all the other nonsensical rubbish the Government currently waste their money on.
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I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Labour
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Hope your eyes are OK Billy.
Honestly nine years of the Tories trashing the country, and you are still supporting them. I just don`t get how stupid people can get.
You happy with crumbling Health Service, Crumbling schools, Public Services in tatters, Transport system in a total mess. The Rich getting richer. It that`s what floats your boat, then far be it from me to spoil your party.
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Sandy you can't constantly tell people not to insult you on here and then call anyone who disagrees with your political views stupid.
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Yes he can. He's been doing it for years.
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I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Labour
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Hope your eyes are OK Billy.
Honestly nine years of the Tories trashing the country, and you are still supporting them. I just don`t get how stupid people can get.
You happy with crumbling Health Service, Crumbling schools, Public Services in tatters, Transport system in a total mess. The Rich getting richer. It that`s what floats your boat, then far be it from me to spoil your party.
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Working class Tories eh Sandy?
Is there ANYTHING worse?
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Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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Who are you to claim this? And why are you so against a massive company like McDonald's paying their staff more when it has zero impact on you?
Cant get my head around why so many seem to want to keep people down, absolute tories
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Who am I to have an opinion on something? Stop being so arrogant.
As I said, you pay people in low-skilled jobs £15/hour and watch the amount of people in work drop and businesses (particularly small) crumble. Not rocket science.
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I'm not being arrogant mate you are by claiming these people don't deserve it cause you think they don't.
Small business don't have an impact on what a late corporation pay their staff, its simple, the amount of profit the company makes is not reflected the wages they pay, this is the point.
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A minimum wage of £15/hour for fast-food workers and jobs of equivalent skill is not good for the economy however you look at it.
Small businesses won't be able to grow, there will be less jobs with businesses looking to technology instead, and stuff will cost a fortune.
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Sorry, why are we pandering to small business or ANY businesses as if they’re the be all and end all.
Wealth creator b0llocks.
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Because people of all walks of life are reliant on successful businesses for work.
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And businesses are only successful because of their employees.
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Supply and demand.
Anyone can flip a burger. If you stand up and say i want £15 an hour for this then there's a queue of 1000s of spotty teenagers who are willing to take your place for way less.
This is the very nature on unskilled labour. It is freely available and therefore there is no need to pay £15 an hour (which equates to the hourly wage of a nurse). Setting it artificially at this level would have huge impacts across the economy.
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Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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Do you not think it might bring millions of people out of poverty, mitigate the need for just as many food banks, and save the public purse millions of in work benefits???
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No i do not.
Wage bill increases by 50% will inevitably = product increasing in price and efficiencies made by the company to ensure product remains affordable = people lose their jobs.
SO the lucky ones who keep their £15 an hour for quite literally doing the most simple of tasks might well experience a better life. Repeat this through many of the unskilled workforce and you will see jobs and businesses suffer.
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But that is just that they are not doing the most simplest of tasks, they are offering a service that is used by millions worldwide, and should be paid for it.
It is like cleaners in hospitals, city offices, without them, neither would function properly, they provide a service that is undervalued.
Every job is valuable however menial it may seem to some. Without road sweepers, our country would soon be piled with rubbish, etc.
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comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
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I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Labour
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Hope your eyes are OK Billy.
Honestly nine years of the Tories trashing the country, and you are still supporting them. I just don`t get how stupid people can get.
You happy with crumbling Health Service, Crumbling schools, Public Services in tatters, Transport system in a total mess. The Rich getting richer. It that`s what floats your boat, then far be it from me to spoil your party.
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Sandy you can't constantly tell people not to insult you on here and then call anyone who disagrees with your political views stupid.
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I didn`t call him stupid, I said people that still vote Tory are stupid. It is personal insults I don`t do.
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posted 1 minute ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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Do you not think it might bring millions of people out of poverty, mitigate the need for just as many food banks, and save the public purse millions of in work benefits???
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No i do not.
Wage bill increases by 50% will inevitably = product increasing in price and efficiencies made by the company to ensure product remains affordable = people lose their jobs.
SO the lucky ones who keep their £15 an hour for quite literally doing the most simple of tasks might well experience a better life. Repeat this through many of the unskilled workforce and you will see jobs and businesses suffer.
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When you look at inflation I can't see any other alternative (increasing the living wage).
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posted on 15/11/19
I like Labour but they seem to be free everything..
posted on 15/11/19
‘The UK is an embarrassing full-fibre laggard on the world stage, with only 8% of homes able to get it. This compares to countries such as Portugal, which has full fibre to 89% of homes, and Spain, which is at 71%.’
Taken from the guardian. Whilst we have some of the most expensive internet packages in Europe, there are still massive areas of the UK of the grid. Privatisation clearly hasn’t work in this sector up to now. And what’s more, this along with renewables is arguably the most important sectors for the future of humanity.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Dele Boy (U22000)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 26 seconds ago
Not too fussed about free broadband.
Is he still offering more bank holidays?
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Save that for another thread really or this is going to turn into policy debates when it should be about the privatisation of BT and it's pros and cons.
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Pros. Free Broadband for everyone.
Now you go....
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Short term management (Government thinking of the next election)
Reduced efficiency (No competition)
Poorly managed (just look at the funding for the NHS)
May need more funding - potential tax increase etc
That's just off the top of my head, look at the bigger picture ffs.
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Why don't you look at the actual picture and see how bad these services currently are.
People with this view point are the reason tories have ruined you country
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Are you serious, what benefit does a BT or Vodafone have in producing a bad service?
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You assume it will all be badly run and managed which you cannot be clear on, also plenty of these companies don't offer stellar service and the competition has done little to reduce costs across the board.
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I don't assume, I study basic economics.
You are Sizzle have offered no real alternative to my argument. This isnt a Labour vs Conserv thing, I hate both/all with a passion.
I just think privatisng BT is not a good idea
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Who’s side are you on?
Ordinary people, or tax dodging billionaires?
It’s really that simple.
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The way i look at it is that the parties should be focusing on what affects people most. Don't ever remember anyone saying to me that the cost of Broadband is out of control. Its a competitive market where there is a range of services on offer. People can always find good deals and can now move around with ease.
People will typically be spending more on a mobile phone contract than on BB. You can basically get fast BB for about £5 a week. Less than a bottle of wine. A pint and a half. 10 cigarettes.
To me this is a gimmick...offering something that really is not an issue with the vast majority, but the solution to achieve it will be hugely expensive and disruptive. It will only ever become a growing burden on the countries finances without having any significant productive benefits other than lowering peoples bills.
As someone else above said, the focus should be ensuring 5G is rolled out across the country and rural areas are much better served than currently. This will deliver fairness in a competitive market where market forces will ensure prices stay reasonable.
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When has that scenario EVER worked?
posted on 15/11/19
Not sure why so many people are losing their minds over this. Free broadband with national coverage is hardly fantasy land. It will happen either way in the not too distant future.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 1 minute ago
I like Labour but they seem to be free everything..
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It’s not free.
Like everything else (pointless nuclear weapons, MP’s expenses) it’s paid for by taxes.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
posted on 15/11/19
Yeah and people are missing the point. Labour aren’t only saying free broadband being rolled out. They are stating they will revolutionise infrastructure. Which clearly private companies have had decades to do and have failed.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I’ll also take, the four day week, a properly funded NHS and social care, a second referendum and retirement before the age of 75.
Thank you, please.
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Yess
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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Do you not think it might bring millions of people out of poverty, mitigate the need for just as many food banks, and save the public purse millions of in work benefits???
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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Who are you to claim this? And why are you so against a massive company like McDonald's paying their staff more when it has zero impact on you?
Cant get my head around why so many seem to want to keep people down, absolute tories
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Who am I to have an opinion on something? Stop being so arrogant.
As I said, you pay people in low-skilled jobs £15/hour and watch the amount of people in work drop and businesses (particularly small) crumble. Not rocket science.
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I'm not being arrogant mate you are by claiming these people don't deserve it cause you think they don't.
Small business don't have an impact on what a late corporation pay their staff, its simple, the amount of profit the company makes is not reflected the wages they pay, this is the point.
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A minimum wage of £15/hour for fast-food workers and jobs of equivalent skill is not good for the economy however you look at it.
Small businesses won't be able to grow, there will be less jobs with businesses looking to technology instead, and stuff will cost a fortune.
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Sorry, why are we pandering to small business or ANY businesses as if they’re the be all and end all.
Wealth creator b0llocks.
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Because people of all walks of life are reliant on successful businesses for work.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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To be fair, that just highlights the issues with nursing rather than McDonalds.
Bursaries have been taken away and yet the Tories still expect people to pay ridiculous tuition fees for a mediocre paying job in a run down service.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by He’s magic,You know (U15068)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah and people are missing the point. Labour aren’t only saying free broadband being rolled out. They are stating they will revolutionise infrastructure. Which clearly private companies have had decades to do and have failed.
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Time for REAL change.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 40 seconds ago
I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Labour
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Hope your eyes are OK Billy.
Honestly nine years of the Tories trashing the country, and you are still supporting them. I just don`t get how stupid people can get.
You happy with crumbling Health Service, Crumbling schools, Public Services in tatters, Transport system in a total mess. The Rich getting richer. It that`s what floats your boat, then far be it from me to spoil your party.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who are you to claim this? And why are you so against a massive company like McDonald's paying their staff more when it has zero impact on you?
Cant get my head around why so many seem to want to keep people down, absolute tories
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Who am I to have an opinion on something? Stop being so arrogant.
As I said, you pay people in low-skilled jobs £15/hour and watch the amount of people in work drop and businesses (particularly small) crumble. Not rocket science.
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I'm not being arrogant mate you are by claiming these people don't deserve it cause you think they don't.
Small business don't have an impact on what a late corporation pay their staff, its simple, the amount of profit the company makes is not reflected the wages they pay, this is the point.
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A minimum wage of £15/hour for fast-food workers and jobs of equivalent skill is not good for the economy however you look at it.
Small businesses won't be able to grow, there will be less jobs with businesses looking to technology instead, and stuff will cost a fortune.
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Sorry, why are we pandering to small business or ANY businesses as if they’re the be all and end all.
Wealth creator b0llocks.
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Because people of all walks of life are reliant on successful businesses for work.
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And businesses are only successful because of their employees.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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There has been stagnant wages in the public sector for decades. Even in NI nurses still earn less than there counterparts in GB. With the rates of inflation since the 90’s nurses should probably be earning close to 40k a year by now.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you not think it might bring millions of people out of poverty, mitigate the need for just as many food banks, and save the public purse millions of in work benefits???
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No i do not.
Wage bill increases by 50% will inevitably = product increasing in price and efficiencies made by the company to ensure product remains affordable = people lose their jobs.
SO the lucky ones who keep their £15 an hour for quite literally doing the most simple of tasks might well experience a better life. Repeat this through many of the unskilled workforce and you will see jobs and businesses suffer.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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Literally what the Tories have been doing for decades...
Ad the leave campaign won a referendum on it. Why not join in!?
posted on 15/11/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 40 seconds ago
I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Labour
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Hope your eyes are OK Billy.
Honestly nine years of the Tories trashing the country, and you are still supporting them. I just don`t get how stupid people can get.
You happy with crumbling Health Service, Crumbling schools, Public Services in tatters, Transport system in a total mess. The Rich getting richer. It that`s what floats your boat, then far be it from me to spoil your party.
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Sandy you can't constantly tell people not to insult you on here and then call anyone who disagrees with your political views stupid.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Desperate Dier-Bring me Ndombele (U6468)
posted 13 minutes ago
I like Labour but they seem to be free everything..
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Well it`s not actually free mate, it is using the taxes that people pay, to give them services back.
I would rather my taxes be paid on things that actually affect my life, than propping up an outdated Royal Family and all the other nonsensical rubbish the Government currently waste their money on.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 40 seconds ago
I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Labour
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Hope your eyes are OK Billy.
Honestly nine years of the Tories trashing the country, and you are still supporting them. I just don`t get how stupid people can get.
You happy with crumbling Health Service, Crumbling schools, Public Services in tatters, Transport system in a total mess. The Rich getting richer. It that`s what floats your boat, then far be it from me to spoil your party.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sandy you can't constantly tell people not to insult you on here and then call anyone who disagrees with your political views stupid.
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Yes he can. He's been doing it for years.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 40 seconds ago
I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Labour
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Hope your eyes are OK Billy.
Honestly nine years of the Tories trashing the country, and you are still supporting them. I just don`t get how stupid people can get.
You happy with crumbling Health Service, Crumbling schools, Public Services in tatters, Transport system in a total mess. The Rich getting richer. It that`s what floats your boat, then far be it from me to spoil your party.
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Working class Tories eh Sandy?
Is there ANYTHING worse?
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who are you to claim this? And why are you so against a massive company like McDonald's paying their staff more when it has zero impact on you?
Cant get my head around why so many seem to want to keep people down, absolute tories
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who am I to have an opinion on something? Stop being so arrogant.
As I said, you pay people in low-skilled jobs £15/hour and watch the amount of people in work drop and businesses (particularly small) crumble. Not rocket science.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not being arrogant mate you are by claiming these people don't deserve it cause you think they don't.
Small business don't have an impact on what a late corporation pay their staff, its simple, the amount of profit the company makes is not reflected the wages they pay, this is the point.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A minimum wage of £15/hour for fast-food workers and jobs of equivalent skill is not good for the economy however you look at it.
Small businesses won't be able to grow, there will be less jobs with businesses looking to technology instead, and stuff will cost a fortune.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, why are we pandering to small business or ANY businesses as if they’re the be all and end all.
Wealth creator b0llocks.
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Because people of all walks of life are reliant on successful businesses for work.
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And businesses are only successful because of their employees.
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Supply and demand.
Anyone can flip a burger. If you stand up and say i want £15 an hour for this then there's a queue of 1000s of spotty teenagers who are willing to take your place for way less.
This is the very nature on unskilled labour. It is freely available and therefore there is no need to pay £15 an hour (which equates to the hourly wage of a nurse). Setting it artificially at this level would have huge impacts across the economy.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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Do you not think it might bring millions of people out of poverty, mitigate the need for just as many food banks, and save the public purse millions of in work benefits???
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No i do not.
Wage bill increases by 50% will inevitably = product increasing in price and efficiencies made by the company to ensure product remains affordable = people lose their jobs.
SO the lucky ones who keep their £15 an hour for quite literally doing the most simple of tasks might well experience a better life. Repeat this through many of the unskilled workforce and you will see jobs and businesses suffer.
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But that is just that they are not doing the most simplest of tasks, they are offering a service that is used by millions worldwide, and should be paid for it.
It is like cleaners in hospitals, city offices, without them, neither would function properly, they provide a service that is undervalued.
Every job is valuable however menial it may seem to some. Without road sweepers, our country would soon be piled with rubbish, etc.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 40 seconds ago
I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Labour
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Hope your eyes are OK Billy.
Honestly nine years of the Tories trashing the country, and you are still supporting them. I just don`t get how stupid people can get.
You happy with crumbling Health Service, Crumbling schools, Public Services in tatters, Transport system in a total mess. The Rich getting richer. It that`s what floats your boat, then far be it from me to spoil your party.
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Sandy you can't constantly tell people not to insult you on here and then call anyone who disagrees with your political views stupid.
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I didn`t call him stupid, I said people that still vote Tory are stupid. It is personal insults I don`t do.
posted on 15/11/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 1 minute ago
Look, Labour's policies look absolutely fantastic, but they're totally unrealistic and unsustainable. It's almost as if Corbyn is offering bribes in return for votes sometimes.
I mean you had him supporting the notion of McDonald's workers getting £15/hour the other day FFS.
Cloud Cuckoo Land springs to mind.
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They said the same mate about thewhen they were trying to get the NHS up and running in the 1940s. Tories opposed it at every turn and said it was living in cloud cuckoo land. Same with the big council house build after the 2nd world war.
If you really want things mate in this country, you have to invest.
And why shouldn`t McDonald`s workers get £15 an hour. Why do you think they are less deserving than a pen pusher in an office who is on £50 an hour? McDonald`s workers are the very people that are underpaid for very long hours. The sort of cheap Labour Wetherspoons Boss Tim Martin built his empire on.
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I'm sorry, but I don't believe working in a fast food restaurant warrants £15/hour. If that's forced upon McDonalds, there will be less jobs available and you better get used to paying £15 for a Big Mac meal. (At least it would tackle the obesity problem).
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McDonalds raked in over £21 billion last year, and you don`t think their workers are worth £15 an hour.
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Average pay for a nurse is £25k
£15 an hour on a Corbyn 4 day week of 32 hours = £15 x 32 = £480. 52 weeks of the year = £24,960.
This seems fair. no qualification required. 1/2 day training, Taking an order, tapping some keys and still failing to EVER put ketchup in my kids happy meals is worth £15 an hour
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Do you not think it might bring millions of people out of poverty, mitigate the need for just as many food banks, and save the public purse millions of in work benefits???
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No i do not.
Wage bill increases by 50% will inevitably = product increasing in price and efficiencies made by the company to ensure product remains affordable = people lose their jobs.
SO the lucky ones who keep their £15 an hour for quite literally doing the most simple of tasks might well experience a better life. Repeat this through many of the unskilled workforce and you will see jobs and businesses suffer.
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When you look at inflation I can't see any other alternative (increasing the living wage).
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