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posted on 29/12/19

The decisions were correct, same with Pukki yesterday, but Im not enjoying how VAR is being rolled out atm really.

Im not sure what the answer is though.

posted on 29/12/19

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🏆 🏆 🏆 Keep It Greasy 🏆 🏆 🏆So... (U1396)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 45 minutes ago
It's pretty simple - they should incorporate soft signals like in rugby, tennis and cricket. Ref makes the initial call and then checks it if there's doubt. As it is, the refs are just absolving themselves of any agency and leaving it entirely up to VAR, and that's a shambles when the computer measures it to infinitesimal detail which has no practical impact. And then build in an "umpire's call" margin for error.

My question is how Liverpool never seem to get any injuries to their key players
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So you don't think Alison, Ox, Matip, Salah, Fabhino, Lovren, Shaqiri are key players?

Very odd viewpoint
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Alisson, Salah, Fabinho yes. The others no. How long have those three been out this season? I remember Alisson missed a handful of games early doors and Fabinho is injured now. The Fabinho one struck me as notable cos I couldn't remember many others.

Anyway, it's not a criticism so I don't know why you're getting so defensive. Clearly the players are well looked after, or presumably the scouting team scrutinise their condition well before giving the go-ahead.
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Alisson missed 10 PL games and most of the CL games.

posted on 29/12/19

As time goes on it is becoming more and more clear that VAR is just another tool to influence games in VARpool`s favour

posted on 29/12/19

I think it has been terrible for the first season. They held off introducing it so it would be more robust, yet they have learnt nothing from the leagues who introduced it earlier.

posted on 29/12/19

Sandy talking utter b0ll0x again I see. 😂

posted on 29/12/19

comment by 🏆 🏆 🏆 Keep It Greasy 🏆 🏆 🏆So It'll Go Down Easy (U1396)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dubbed the new Arteta (U21076)
posted 56 minutes ago
OP you forgot to mention Liverpool's handball goal as well.

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Shoulder isn't handball
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Can't score with your armpit either.

posted on 29/12/19

comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 7 seconds ago
Sandy talking utter b0ll0x again I see. 😂
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When does he not?

posted on 29/12/19

Brighton and Palace both had hairline goals ruled out yesterday due to the canting var sheet

comment by Admin1 (U1)

posted on 29/12/19

They should give each manager a single VAR call to use during a match and let the refs get back to reffing. Start paying the premier league refs £15,000 a week. It would lift the standard for sure.

VAR is even ruining soccer Saturday accumulators for me these days, with pauses and corrections. Fans aren't even able to celebrate goals these days due to the spectre of VAR

posted on 29/12/19

comment by Going Loco Like Sissoko - SUPER EUROPEAN WORLD... (U10893)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by 🏆 🏆 🏆 Keep It Greasy 🏆 🏆 🏆So It'll Go Down Easy (U1396)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dubbed the new Arteta (U21076)
posted 56 minutes ago
OP you forgot to mention Liverpool's handball goal as well.

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Shoulder isn't handball
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Can't score with your armpit either.
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Well you could if you ran in with your hand in the air

Never seen it happen though. However drawing the line to the armpit is the same as drawing to the shoulder, which you can score with. Drawing diagonal lines up to the armpit is a different debate altogether.

posted on 29/12/19

VVD gets away with murder, they allow him to scythe down the Everton player and fail to award a penalty or red card, they allow him to control the ball with his hand etc etc

posted on 29/12/19

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🏆 🏆 🏆 Keep It Greasy 🏆 🏆 🏆So... (U1396)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 45 minutes ago
It's pretty simple - they should incorporate soft signals like in rugby, tennis and cricket. Ref makes the initial call and then checks it if there's doubt. As it is, the refs are just absolving themselves of any agency and leaving it entirely up to VAR, and that's a shambles when the computer measures it to infinitesimal detail which has no practical impact. And then build in an "umpire's call" margin for error.

My question is how Liverpool never seem to get any injuries to their key players
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So you don't think Alison, Ox, Matip, Salah, Fabhino, Lovren, Shaqiri are key players?

Very odd viewpoint
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alisson, Salah, Fabinho yes. The others no. How long have those three been out this season? I remember Alisson missed a handful of games early doors and Fabinho is injured now. The Fabinho one struck me as notable cos I couldn't remember many others.

Anyway, it's not a criticism so I don't know why you're getting so defensive. Clearly the players are well looked after, or presumably the scouting team scrutinise their condition well before giving the go-ahead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alisson missed 10 PL games and most of the CL games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough, that's a lot more than I thought

Salah though? It certainly seems like the front 3 have hardly missed a game between them for a couple of seasons. Whatever the reason it certainly always seems to me like Liverpool's match-winners pick up far fewer niggles and form-interrupting absences than other teams.

Could be I'm wrong though, it's easy to pick out reasons to discredit teams I don't like, especially when they're so comically far ahead of the rest of the league

posted on 29/12/19

comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 20 seconds ago
They should give each manager a single VAR call to use during a match and let the refs get back to reffing. Start paying the premier league refs £15,000 a week. It would lift the standard for sure.

VAR is even ruining soccer Saturday accumulators for me these days, with pauses and corrections. Fans aren't even able to celebrate goals these days due to the spectre of VAR
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This will mean every game has two VAR interventions as you can bet your bottom dollar managers will be using their allocation. This can also mean incorrect decisions due to no more VAR interventions being allowed. Not a good idea, for me.

posted on 29/12/19

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Going Loco Like Sissoko - SUPER EUROPEAN WORLD... (U10893)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by 🏆 🏆 🏆 Keep It Greasy 🏆 🏆 🏆So It'll Go Down Easy (U1396)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dubbed the new Arteta (U21076)
posted 56 minutes ago
OP you forgot to mention Liverpool's handball goal as well.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Shoulder isn't handball
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can't score with your armpit either.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well you could if you ran in with your hand in the air

Never seen it happen though. However drawing the line to the armpit is the same as drawing to the shoulder, which you can score with. Drawing diagonal lines up to the armpit is a different debate altogether.
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The irony is we've seen it done.

posted on 29/12/19

15K a week isnt going to get rid of all the bias and corruption

posted on 29/12/19

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🏆 🏆 🏆 Keep It Greasy 🏆 🏆 🏆So... (U1396)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 45 minutes ago
It's pretty simple - they should incorporate soft signals like in rugby, tennis and cricket. Ref makes the initial call and then checks it if there's doubt. As it is, the refs are just absolving themselves of any agency and leaving it entirely up to VAR, and that's a shambles when the computer measures it to infinitesimal detail which has no practical impact. And then build in an "umpire's call" margin for error.

My question is how Liverpool never seem to get any injuries to their key players
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you don't think Alison, Ox, Matip, Salah, Fabhino, Lovren, Shaqiri are key players?

Very odd viewpoint
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alisson, Salah, Fabinho yes. The others no. How long have those three been out this season? I remember Alisson missed a handful of games early doors and Fabinho is injured now. The Fabinho one struck me as notable cos I couldn't remember many others.

Anyway, it's not a criticism so I don't know why you're getting so defensive. Clearly the players are well looked after, or presumably the scouting team scrutinise their condition well before giving the go-ahead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alisson missed 10 PL games and most of the CL games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough, that's a lot more than I thought

Salah though? It certainly seems like the front 3 have hardly missed a game between them for a couple of seasons. Whatever the reason it certainly always seems to me like Liverpool's match-winners pick up far fewer niggles and form-interrupting absences than other teams.

Could be I'm wrong though, it's easy to pick out reasons to discredit teams I don't like, especially when they're so comically far ahead of the rest of the league
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Yes which is the case this season when people keep saying we don't have injuries when in my opinion we've probably had more than anybody.

comment by Admin1 (U1)

posted on 29/12/19

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 20 seconds ago
They should give each manager a single VAR call to use during a match and let the refs get back to reffing. Start paying the premier league refs £15,000 a week. It would lift the standard for sure.

VAR is even ruining soccer Saturday accumulators for me these days, with pauses and corrections. Fans aren't even able to celebrate goals these days due to the spectre of VAR
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This will mean every game has two VAR interventions as you can bet your bottom dollar managers will be using their allocation. This can also mean incorrect decisions due to no more VAR interventions being allowed. Not a good idea, for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd settle for scrapping VAR.

posted on 29/12/19

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 🏆 🏆 🏆 Keep It Greasy 🏆 🏆 🏆So... (U1396)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 45 minutes ago
It's pretty simple - they should incorporate soft signals like in rugby, tennis and cricket. Ref makes the initial call and then checks it if there's doubt. As it is, the refs are just absolving themselves of any agency and leaving it entirely up to VAR, and that's a shambles when the computer measures it to infinitesimal detail which has no practical impact. And then build in an "umpire's call" margin for error.

My question is how Liverpool never seem to get any injuries to their key players
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you don't think Alison, Ox, Matip, Salah, Fabhino, Lovren, Shaqiri are key players?

Very odd viewpoint
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alisson, Salah, Fabinho yes. The others no. How long have those three been out this season? I remember Alisson missed a handful of games early doors and Fabinho is injured now. The Fabinho one struck me as notable cos I couldn't remember many others.

Anyway, it's not a criticism so I don't know why you're getting so defensive. Clearly the players are well looked after, or presumably the scouting team scrutinise their condition well before giving the go-ahead.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alisson missed 10 PL games and most of the CL games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough, that's a lot more than I thought

Salah though? It certainly seems like the front 3 have hardly missed a game between them for a couple of seasons. Whatever the reason it certainly always seems to me like Liverpool's match-winners pick up far fewer niggles and form-interrupting absences than other teams.

Could be I'm wrong though, it's easy to pick out reasons to discredit teams I don't like, especially when they're so comically far ahead of the rest of the league
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Yes which is the case this season when people keep saying we don't have injuries when in my opinion we've probably had more than anybody.
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I mean, presumably there's some injury table online somewhere which has the objective truth on the matter. I certainly don't care enough to find it myself.

posted on 29/12/19

comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 14 seconds ago
15K a week isnt going to get rid of all the bias and corruption
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We should fire Billy out onto the field to ref and see how he gets on. I'd pay 15k to see that. Liverpool would have no players left on the pitch.

comment by Admin1 (U1)

posted on 29/12/19

comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 17 seconds ago
15K a week isnt going to get rid of all the bias and corruption
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It might help. You can have a ref earning £1,100 ruining a game where world class players are earning £200,000 a match and having goals disallowed or subject to general refereeing incompetence.

posted on 29/12/19

comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 20 seconds ago
They should give each manager a single VAR call to use during a match and let the refs get back to reffing. Start paying the premier league refs £15,000 a week. It would lift the standard for sure.

VAR is even ruining soccer Saturday accumulators for me these days, with pauses and corrections. Fans aren't even able to celebrate goals these days due to the spectre of VAR
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This will mean every game has two VAR interventions as you can bet your bottom dollar managers will be using their allocation. This can also mean incorrect decisions due to no more VAR interventions being allowed. Not a good idea, for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd settle for scrapping VAR.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We would have lost today without VAR due to two incorrect decisions so I'm definitely against that.

posted on 29/12/19

comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 17 seconds ago
15K a week isnt going to get rid of all the bias and corruption
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It might help. You can have a ref earning £1,100 ruining a game where world class players are earning £200,000 a match and having goals disallowed or subject to general refereeing incompetence.
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I agree. Pay more and give more training. Also consider refs from other countries if the standard isn't high enough.

posted on 29/12/19

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 20 seconds ago
They should give each manager a single VAR call to use during a match and let the refs get back to reffing. Start paying the premier league refs £15,000 a week. It would lift the standard for sure.

VAR is even ruining soccer Saturday accumulators for me these days, with pauses and corrections. Fans aren't even able to celebrate goals these days due to the spectre of VAR
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This will mean every game has two VAR interventions as you can bet your bottom dollar managers will be using their allocation. This can also mean incorrect decisions due to no more VAR interventions being allowed. Not a good idea, for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd settle for scrapping VAR.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We would have lost today without VAR due to two incorrect decisions so I'm definitely against that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This

comment by Admin1 (U1)

posted on 29/12/19

comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 20 seconds ago
They should give each manager a single VAR call to use during a match and let the refs get back to reffing. Start paying the premier league refs £15,000 a week. It would lift the standard for sure.

VAR is even ruining soccer Saturday accumulators for me these days, with pauses and corrections. Fans aren't even able to celebrate goals these days due to the spectre of VAR
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This will mean every game has two VAR interventions as you can bet your bottom dollar managers will be using their allocation. This can also mean incorrect decisions due to no more VAR interventions being allowed. Not a good idea, for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd settle for scrapping VAR.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We would have lost today without VAR due to two incorrect decisions so I'm definitely against that.
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Over a season the best team should win the league and things generally even themselves out. Football is definitely losing something as a result of VAR.

posted on 29/12/19

You won because of 2 incorrect decisions

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