Can you read your own post where you say he is better at man management than tactics?
What makes you say his tactical nouse is less substantive than his man management?
Like you to answer that rather than get defensive.
Why would I answer that when I didn’t even say it? I said I thought Klopp was better at man management than Guardiola and Guardiola was better at tactics.
Neither of them are bad at anything, they’re both at the top of the elite.
Are you going to try and qualify that Pep is better at tactics?
Having an inferior squad of players yet outperforming a Bette squad, and by some margin too, denotes setting up brilliantly tactically.
In this example, Klopp is demonstrably better than Guardiola right now.
Stating that Klopp is getting more out of his players due to chiefly being a motivator is doing him a disservice.
Remember opposition posters going on about Buvac being the brains?
I don’t think you do have an inferior set of players. That aside though, the reason we have dropped off isn’t down to tactics. The system that Guardiola has had us playing still creates more chances (and concedes less) than any other team, our issue is the critical moments in both boxes.
Given that me thinking he’s the best tactical coach in the world is a sentiment shared by his peers (including your own coach) and has had an influence on football in general, it’s hardly a stretch to say he’s the best tactically.
I haven’t said Klopp is getting more out of his players chiefly because of motivation, I just said I thought he is better at that aspect than Guardiola is in general. I’ll reiterate again, I think he is excellent across the board
What do you want me to say? That Klopp is the best at every single aspect of management?
Also, Pep has better players and larger squads with better players which makes tactics and execution a bit easier, to say the least.
Kinda hard, if you have Aguero and Jesus then trying to make it work with Origi instead.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t think you do have an inferior set of players
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Yeah, now that Klopp has worked on them.
Robbo, Trent, Salah, Mane, Firmino and just about all the Liverpool team were not rated as much before Klopp got their hands on them, or at all. I mean, Wij was a right winger at Newcastle.
Its only under Klopp that the ratings of our players has risen which us another feather in Klopps hat.
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posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
I love Klopp and for us there is not another manager in the world that could've done a better job than him.
You also should choose between the two based on the project that your club wants to embark on. Both revolutionise their clubs in respective ways and both are the best at what they do.
There's a common misconception Klopp isn't as tactically astute as Pep which is utter bull crap imo. There's only one manager in world football that Pep doesn't have a better h2h record against. But both Pep & Klopp changed the game in their own way back at Barca & Dortmund respectively. Pep introduced a possession based system, with & without the ball, that incorporated pressing. Klopp introduced a pressing system both with & without the ball. None of them plucked these ideas out of thin air. These tactics existed in the past...but at that specific time, no one specific side was doing it at the level they were. At that time people were still in awe over the tactically rigid sides of Mourinho & Benitez etc. They both brought something new to the table.
Saying that...if you can't see the influence that Pep has had on Klopp both at Dortmund, after he joined Bayern and now Liverpool then you need to pay more attention. Just for his sheer influence at a global scale...Pep shades it for me.
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Klopp was influenced by Sacchi for his pressing game long before Pep was manager.
Klopp became manager of Dortmund 2008 in the same year Pep became manager of Barca.
Immediately Klopp introduced a high pressing game.
Pep had no influence on Klopp tactically as they both play a different style.
Klopp at Dortmund played a high energy, winning the ball upfront and the first thought was a direct forward pass. Pep was more about winning the ball quickly and passing the ball between the lines to players who are comfortable in receiving the ball in tight spaces.
There is also a difference in their 433 system.
Our front three go narrow when the fullbacks push up were as City wingers stay wide to open up the space between the fullback and centre back and this gives KDB the opportunity to play his crosses from that space.
Both are great managers.
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t think you do have an inferior set of players
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Yeah, now that Klopp has worked on them.
Robbo, Trent, Salah, Mane, Firmino and just about all the Liverpool team were not rated as much before Klopp got their hands on them, or at all. I mean, Wij was a right winger at Newcastle.
Its only under Klopp that the ratings of our players has risen which us another feather in Klopps hat.
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I agree. I thinking guardiola has made players better too. Players who’ve played for both of them have all said the same point as well.
Us having a large squad is a bit of a myth, we don’t actually have that many back up options in a lot of positions.
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comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} Super European Champions of the World (U2720)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
I love Klopp and for us there is not another manager in the world that could've done a better job than him.
You also should choose between the two based on the project that your club wants to embark on. Both revolutionise their clubs in respective ways and both are the best at what they do.
There's a common misconception Klopp isn't as tactically astute as Pep which is utter bull crap imo. There's only one manager in world football that Pep doesn't have a better h2h record against. But both Pep & Klopp changed the game in their own way back at Barca & Dortmund respectively. Pep introduced a possession based system, with & without the ball, that incorporated pressing. Klopp introduced a pressing system both with & without the ball. None of them plucked these ideas out of thin air. These tactics existed in the past...but at that specific time, no one specific side was doing it at the level they were. At that time people were still in awe over the tactically rigid sides of Mourinho & Benitez etc. They both brought something new to the table.
Saying that...if you can't see the influence that Pep has had on Klopp both at Dortmund, after he joined Bayern and now Liverpool then you need to pay more attention. Just for his sheer influence at a global scale...Pep shades it for me.
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Klopp was influenced by Sacchi for his pressing game long before Pep was manager.
Klopp became manager of Dortmund 2008 in the same year Pep became manager of Barca.
Immediately Klopp introduced a high pressing game.
Pep had no influence on Klopp tactically as they both play a different style.
Klopp at Dortmund played a high energy, winning the ball upfront and the first thought was a direct forward pass. Pep was more about winning the ball quickly and passing the ball between the lines to players who are comfortable in receiving the ball in tight spaces.
There is also a difference in their 433 system.
Our front three go narrow when the fullbacks push up were as City wingers stay wide to open up the space between the fullback and centre back and this gives KDB the opportunity to play his crosses from that space.
Both are great managers.
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Zactly.
Pep has had no more influence on Klopp than any manager would usually have on another. For instance, Fergie and Wenger influenced each other too but you can't say they took characteristics of play from each other.
Pep spent £140m on his squad at the start of the season.
If a Man City fan can say that Liverpool don’t have an inferior squad to Pep it just shows what an immense coach he is in improving players.
Robertson, Firmino, Trent, Gomez, wijnaldum and especially Hendo have come on massively as players.
Would they all get into Man City’s team? Definitely, and that’s with the £140m Pep spent. Would they have done last season?
That’s the money our club spent, as in Begiristain. If you’re saying we didn’t spend all of that money well in the summer and didn’t plug the right gaps, then I entirely agree.
No, your midfield would not all get into our team. They’d get into our squad.
Op how does Klopp not have the best resources? He has a world class team.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 6 minutes ago
Op how does Klopp not have the best resources? He has a world class team.
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He has built a world class team but he didn't always have a world class team. In comparison, Pep has had a world class team from his first day on the job. He's never had to build it up.
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comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 6 minutes ago
Op how does Klopp not have the best resources? He has a world class team.
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He has built a world class team but he didn't always have a world class team. In comparison, Pep has had a world class team from his first day on the job. He's never had to build it up.
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Well it’s not his job to sign the players so I wouldn’t expect him to do that tbh
It isn’t mamba. As usual though mamba never allow the facts to get in the way of your imagination 👍
What? We agreed. Pep has never had to build a team from rags to world class.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 49 minutes ago
That’s the money our club spent, as in Begiristain. If you’re saying we didn’t spend all of that money well in the summer and didn’t plug the right gaps, then I entirely agree.
No, your midfield would not all get into our team. They’d get into our squad.
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Your midfield would not all get into our team. They'd get into our squad. The reason is the difference in our playing style. Our style is more direct and yours is more about control and finding the right moment for the final pass.
Im not sure we do agree. Build a team as in buy and sell players, no, because that’s not why City employ him. Build a team as in improve players, then absolutely, I’d say he’s improved every player he still has who was inherited from a side that had regressed in three seasons under Pellegrini. Probably the only players who haven’t noticeably improved under his tenure would be John Stones, and Vincent Kompany who was never going to change at that stage of his career anyway.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
That’s the money our club spent, as in Begiristain. If you’re saying we didn’t spend all of that money well in the summer and didn’t plug the right gaps, then I entirely agree.
No, your midfield would not all get into our team. They’d get into our squad.
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Robertson, Firmino, Trent, Gomez, wijnaldum and Hendo
I named 3 defenders 2 midfielders and 1 attacker.
So you say those players wouldn’t get into your team?
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comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} Super European Champions of the World (U2720)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
I love Klopp and for us there is not another manager in the world that could've done a better job than him.
You also should choose between the two based on the project that your club wants to embark on. Both revolutionise their clubs in respective ways and both are the best at what they do.
There's a common misconception Klopp isn't as tactically astute as Pep which is utter bull crap imo. There's only one manager in world football that Pep doesn't have a better h2h record against. But both Pep & Klopp changed the game in their own way back at Barca & Dortmund respectively. Pep introduced a possession based system, with & without the ball, that incorporated pressing. Klopp introduced a pressing system both with & without the ball. None of them plucked these ideas out of thin air. These tactics existed in the past...but at that specific time, no one specific side was doing it at the level they were. At that time people were still in awe over the tactically rigid sides of Mourinho & Benitez etc. They both brought something new to the table.
Saying that...if you can't see the influence that Pep has had on Klopp both at Dortmund, after he joined Bayern and now Liverpool then you need to pay more attention. Just for his sheer influence at a global scale...Pep shades it for me.
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Klopp was influenced by Sacchi for his pressing game long before Pep was manager.
Klopp became manager of Dortmund 2008 in the same year Pep became manager of Barca.
Immediately Klopp introduced a high pressing game.
Pep had no influence on Klopp tactically as they both play a different style.
Klopp at Dortmund played a high energy, winning the ball upfront and the first thought was a direct forward pass. Pep was more about winning the ball quickly and passing the ball between the lines to players who are comfortable in receiving the ball in tight spaces.
There is also a difference in their 433 system.
Our front three go narrow when the fullbacks push up were as City wingers stay wide to open up the space between the fullback and centre back and this gives KDB the opportunity to play his crosses from that space.
Both are great managers.
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Please tell me where in my post did I say that Klopp got his pressing tactic from Pep?
However if you look at the way Klopp dabbled with player positioning in his last season at Dortmund, you'll understand why he looked at things Pep did with Bayern and tried to refine them.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 32 minutes ago
Im not sure we do agree. Build a team as in buy and sell players, no, because that’s not why City employ him. Build a team as in improve players, then absolutely, I’d say he’s improved every player he still has who was inherited from a side that had regressed in three seasons under Pellegrini. Probably the only players who haven’t noticeably improved under his tenure would be John Stones, and Vincent Kompany who was never going to change at that stage of his career anyway.
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No, he's never had to build up a team from not being world class to being world class like Klopp has done.
He always inherits a world class team and then improves that team which is easier than building a world class team from "second rate" players like Wij and Hendo.
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 49 minutes ago
That’s the money our club spent, as in Begiristain. If you’re saying we didn’t spend all of that money well in the summer and didn’t plug the right gaps, then I entirely agree.
No, your midfield would not all get into our team. They’d get into our squad.
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Your midfield would not all get into our team. They'd get into our squad. The reason is the difference in our playing style. Our style is more direct and yours is more about control and finding the right moment for the final pass.
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You aren’t a world class team built from second rate players though. You have a world class core, and a supporting squad who Klopp gets that extra 20% out of.
Sorry replied to wrong comment. But you get the gist.
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comment by The Mane Man - WORLD CHAMPIONS-"Sadio, I’ll get him back don’t worry.” (U19731)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} Super European Champions of the World (U2720)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
I love Klopp and for us there is not another manager in the world that could've done a better job than him.
You also should choose between the two based on the project that your club wants to embark on. Both revolutionise their clubs in respective ways and both are the best at what they do.
There's a common misconception Klopp isn't as tactically astute as Pep which is utter bull crap imo. There's only one manager in world football that Pep doesn't have a better h2h record against. But both Pep & Klopp changed the game in their own way back at Barca & Dortmund respectively. Pep introduced a possession based system, with & without the ball, that incorporated pressing. Klopp introduced a pressing system both with & without the ball. None of them plucked these ideas out of thin air. These tactics existed in the past...but at that specific time, no one specific side was doing it at the level they were. At that time people were still in awe over the tactically rigid sides of Mourinho & Benitez etc. They both brought something new to the table.
Saying that...if you can't see the influence that Pep has had on Klopp both at Dortmund, after he joined Bayern and now Liverpool then you need to pay more attention. Just for his sheer influence at a global scale...Pep shades it for me.
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Klopp was influenced by Sacchi for his pressing game long before Pep was manager.
Klopp became manager of Dortmund 2008 in the same year Pep became manager of Barca.
Immediately Klopp introduced a high pressing game.
Pep had no influence on Klopp tactically as they both play a different style.
Klopp at Dortmund played a high energy, winning the ball upfront and the first thought was a direct forward pass. Pep was more about winning the ball quickly and passing the ball between the lines to players who are comfortable in receiving the ball in tight spaces.
There is also a difference in their 433 system.
Our front three go narrow when the fullbacks push up were as City wingers stay wide to open up the space between the fullback and centre back and this gives KDB the opportunity to play his crosses from that space.
Both are great managers.
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Please tell me where in my post did I say that Klopp got his pressing tactic from Pep?
However if you look at the way Klopp dabbled with player positioning in his last season at Dortmund, you'll understand why he looked at things Pep did with Bayern and tried to refine them.
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I disagree. The player positioning of the system of Pep is very different to the one of Klopp.
For example the fullbacks of City play as inverted fullbacks and make it a 3 in midfield and push their 2 midfielders further up the field in the half spaces.
Our fullbacks push further up the field and two of our midfield players cover the space in the fullback area.
Totally different of positioning of players in attack and defence. He did this at Dortmund with Piszczek and Schmelzer who played in the same way.
The only thing he has changed is playing a more conservative game than he did at Dortmund and his first years at Liverpool.
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posted on 3/2/20
Can you read your own post where you say he is better at man management than tactics?
What makes you say his tactical nouse is less substantive than his man management?
Like you to answer that rather than get defensive.
posted on 3/2/20
Why would I answer that when I didn’t even say it? I said I thought Klopp was better at man management than Guardiola and Guardiola was better at tactics.
Neither of them are bad at anything, they’re both at the top of the elite.
posted on 3/2/20
Are you going to try and qualify that Pep is better at tactics?
Having an inferior squad of players yet outperforming a Bette squad, and by some margin too, denotes setting up brilliantly tactically.
In this example, Klopp is demonstrably better than Guardiola right now.
Stating that Klopp is getting more out of his players due to chiefly being a motivator is doing him a disservice.
Remember opposition posters going on about Buvac being the brains?
posted on 3/2/20
I don’t think you do have an inferior set of players. That aside though, the reason we have dropped off isn’t down to tactics. The system that Guardiola has had us playing still creates more chances (and concedes less) than any other team, our issue is the critical moments in both boxes.
Given that me thinking he’s the best tactical coach in the world is a sentiment shared by his peers (including your own coach) and has had an influence on football in general, it’s hardly a stretch to say he’s the best tactically.
I haven’t said Klopp is getting more out of his players chiefly because of motivation, I just said I thought he is better at that aspect than Guardiola is in general. I’ll reiterate again, I think he is excellent across the board
What do you want me to say? That Klopp is the best at every single aspect of management?
posted on 3/2/20
Also, Pep has better players and larger squads with better players which makes tactics and execution a bit easier, to say the least.
Kinda hard, if you have Aguero and Jesus then trying to make it work with Origi instead.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t think you do have an inferior set of players
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Yeah, now that Klopp has worked on them.
Robbo, Trent, Salah, Mane, Firmino and just about all the Liverpool team were not rated as much before Klopp got their hands on them, or at all. I mean, Wij was a right winger at Newcastle.
Its only under Klopp that the ratings of our players has risen which us another feather in Klopps hat.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} Super European Champions of the World (U2720)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
I love Klopp and for us there is not another manager in the world that could've done a better job than him.
You also should choose between the two based on the project that your club wants to embark on. Both revolutionise their clubs in respective ways and both are the best at what they do.
There's a common misconception Klopp isn't as tactically astute as Pep which is utter bull crap imo. There's only one manager in world football that Pep doesn't have a better h2h record against. But both Pep & Klopp changed the game in their own way back at Barca & Dortmund respectively. Pep introduced a possession based system, with & without the ball, that incorporated pressing. Klopp introduced a pressing system both with & without the ball. None of them plucked these ideas out of thin air. These tactics existed in the past...but at that specific time, no one specific side was doing it at the level they were. At that time people were still in awe over the tactically rigid sides of Mourinho & Benitez etc. They both brought something new to the table.
Saying that...if you can't see the influence that Pep has had on Klopp both at Dortmund, after he joined Bayern and now Liverpool then you need to pay more attention. Just for his sheer influence at a global scale...Pep shades it for me.
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Klopp was influenced by Sacchi for his pressing game long before Pep was manager.
Klopp became manager of Dortmund 2008 in the same year Pep became manager of Barca.
Immediately Klopp introduced a high pressing game.
Pep had no influence on Klopp tactically as they both play a different style.
Klopp at Dortmund played a high energy, winning the ball upfront and the first thought was a direct forward pass. Pep was more about winning the ball quickly and passing the ball between the lines to players who are comfortable in receiving the ball in tight spaces.
There is also a difference in their 433 system.
Our front three go narrow when the fullbacks push up were as City wingers stay wide to open up the space between the fullback and centre back and this gives KDB the opportunity to play his crosses from that space.
Both are great managers.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t think you do have an inferior set of players
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Yeah, now that Klopp has worked on them.
Robbo, Trent, Salah, Mane, Firmino and just about all the Liverpool team were not rated as much before Klopp got their hands on them, or at all. I mean, Wij was a right winger at Newcastle.
Its only under Klopp that the ratings of our players has risen which us another feather in Klopps hat.
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I agree. I thinking guardiola has made players better too. Players who’ve played for both of them have all said the same point as well.
Us having a large squad is a bit of a myth, we don’t actually have that many back up options in a lot of positions.
posted on 3/2/20
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} Super European Champions of the World (U2720)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
I love Klopp and for us there is not another manager in the world that could've done a better job than him.
You also should choose between the two based on the project that your club wants to embark on. Both revolutionise their clubs in respective ways and both are the best at what they do.
There's a common misconception Klopp isn't as tactically astute as Pep which is utter bull crap imo. There's only one manager in world football that Pep doesn't have a better h2h record against. But both Pep & Klopp changed the game in their own way back at Barca & Dortmund respectively. Pep introduced a possession based system, with & without the ball, that incorporated pressing. Klopp introduced a pressing system both with & without the ball. None of them plucked these ideas out of thin air. These tactics existed in the past...but at that specific time, no one specific side was doing it at the level they were. At that time people were still in awe over the tactically rigid sides of Mourinho & Benitez etc. They both brought something new to the table.
Saying that...if you can't see the influence that Pep has had on Klopp both at Dortmund, after he joined Bayern and now Liverpool then you need to pay more attention. Just for his sheer influence at a global scale...Pep shades it for me.
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Klopp was influenced by Sacchi for his pressing game long before Pep was manager.
Klopp became manager of Dortmund 2008 in the same year Pep became manager of Barca.
Immediately Klopp introduced a high pressing game.
Pep had no influence on Klopp tactically as they both play a different style.
Klopp at Dortmund played a high energy, winning the ball upfront and the first thought was a direct forward pass. Pep was more about winning the ball quickly and passing the ball between the lines to players who are comfortable in receiving the ball in tight spaces.
There is also a difference in their 433 system.
Our front three go narrow when the fullbacks push up were as City wingers stay wide to open up the space between the fullback and centre back and this gives KDB the opportunity to play his crosses from that space.
Both are great managers.
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Zactly.
Pep has had no more influence on Klopp than any manager would usually have on another. For instance, Fergie and Wenger influenced each other too but you can't say they took characteristics of play from each other.
posted on 3/2/20
Pep spent £140m on his squad at the start of the season.
If a Man City fan can say that Liverpool don’t have an inferior squad to Pep it just shows what an immense coach he is in improving players.
Robertson, Firmino, Trent, Gomez, wijnaldum and especially Hendo have come on massively as players.
Would they all get into Man City’s team? Definitely, and that’s with the £140m Pep spent. Would they have done last season?
posted on 3/2/20
That’s the money our club spent, as in Begiristain. If you’re saying we didn’t spend all of that money well in the summer and didn’t plug the right gaps, then I entirely agree.
No, your midfield would not all get into our team. They’d get into our squad.
posted on 3/2/20
Op how does Klopp not have the best resources? He has a world class team.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 6 minutes ago
Op how does Klopp not have the best resources? He has a world class team.
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He has built a world class team but he didn't always have a world class team. In comparison, Pep has had a world class team from his first day on the job. He's never had to build it up.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by Klopptimus Prime (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 6 minutes ago
Op how does Klopp not have the best resources? He has a world class team.
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He has built a world class team but he didn't always have a world class team. In comparison, Pep has had a world class team from his first day on the job. He's never had to build it up.
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Well it’s not his job to sign the players so I wouldn’t expect him to do that tbh
posted on 3/2/20
OK.
posted on 3/2/20
It isn’t mamba. As usual though mamba never allow the facts to get in the way of your imagination 👍
posted on 3/2/20
What? We agreed. Pep has never had to build a team from rags to world class.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 49 minutes ago
That’s the money our club spent, as in Begiristain. If you’re saying we didn’t spend all of that money well in the summer and didn’t plug the right gaps, then I entirely agree.
No, your midfield would not all get into our team. They’d get into our squad.
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Your midfield would not all get into our team. They'd get into our squad. The reason is the difference in our playing style. Our style is more direct and yours is more about control and finding the right moment for the final pass.
posted on 3/2/20
Im not sure we do agree. Build a team as in buy and sell players, no, because that’s not why City employ him. Build a team as in improve players, then absolutely, I’d say he’s improved every player he still has who was inherited from a side that had regressed in three seasons under Pellegrini. Probably the only players who haven’t noticeably improved under his tenure would be John Stones, and Vincent Kompany who was never going to change at that stage of his career anyway.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
That’s the money our club spent, as in Begiristain. If you’re saying we didn’t spend all of that money well in the summer and didn’t plug the right gaps, then I entirely agree.
No, your midfield would not all get into our team. They’d get into our squad.
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Robertson, Firmino, Trent, Gomez, wijnaldum and Hendo
I named 3 defenders 2 midfielders and 1 attacker.
So you say those players wouldn’t get into your team?
posted on 3/2/20
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posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} Super European Champions of the World (U2720)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
I love Klopp and for us there is not another manager in the world that could've done a better job than him.
You also should choose between the two based on the project that your club wants to embark on. Both revolutionise their clubs in respective ways and both are the best at what they do.
There's a common misconception Klopp isn't as tactically astute as Pep which is utter bull crap imo. There's only one manager in world football that Pep doesn't have a better h2h record against. But both Pep & Klopp changed the game in their own way back at Barca & Dortmund respectively. Pep introduced a possession based system, with & without the ball, that incorporated pressing. Klopp introduced a pressing system both with & without the ball. None of them plucked these ideas out of thin air. These tactics existed in the past...but at that specific time, no one specific side was doing it at the level they were. At that time people were still in awe over the tactically rigid sides of Mourinho & Benitez etc. They both brought something new to the table.
Saying that...if you can't see the influence that Pep has had on Klopp both at Dortmund, after he joined Bayern and now Liverpool then you need to pay more attention. Just for his sheer influence at a global scale...Pep shades it for me.
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Klopp was influenced by Sacchi for his pressing game long before Pep was manager.
Klopp became manager of Dortmund 2008 in the same year Pep became manager of Barca.
Immediately Klopp introduced a high pressing game.
Pep had no influence on Klopp tactically as they both play a different style.
Klopp at Dortmund played a high energy, winning the ball upfront and the first thought was a direct forward pass. Pep was more about winning the ball quickly and passing the ball between the lines to players who are comfortable in receiving the ball in tight spaces.
There is also a difference in their 433 system.
Our front three go narrow when the fullbacks push up were as City wingers stay wide to open up the space between the fullback and centre back and this gives KDB the opportunity to play his crosses from that space.
Both are great managers.
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Please tell me where in my post did I say that Klopp got his pressing tactic from Pep?
However if you look at the way Klopp dabbled with player positioning in his last season at Dortmund, you'll understand why he looked at things Pep did with Bayern and tried to refine them.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 32 minutes ago
Im not sure we do agree. Build a team as in buy and sell players, no, because that’s not why City employ him. Build a team as in improve players, then absolutely, I’d say he’s improved every player he still has who was inherited from a side that had regressed in three seasons under Pellegrini. Probably the only players who haven’t noticeably improved under his tenure would be John Stones, and Vincent Kompany who was never going to change at that stage of his career anyway.
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No, he's never had to build up a team from not being world class to being world class like Klopp has done.
He always inherits a world class team and then improves that team which is easier than building a world class team from "second rate" players like Wij and Hendo.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by The Mane Man - WORLD CHAMPIONS-"Sadio, I’ll get him back don’t worry.” (U19731)
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 49 minutes ago
That’s the money our club spent, as in Begiristain. If you’re saying we didn’t spend all of that money well in the summer and didn’t plug the right gaps, then I entirely agree.
No, your midfield would not all get into our team. They’d get into our squad.
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Your midfield would not all get into our team. They'd get into our squad. The reason is the difference in our playing style. Our style is more direct and yours is more about control and finding the right moment for the final pass.
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You aren’t a world class team built from second rate players though. You have a world class core, and a supporting squad who Klopp gets that extra 20% out of.
posted on 3/2/20
Sorry replied to wrong comment. But you get the gist.
posted on 3/2/20
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} Super European Champions of the World (U2720)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Mane Man - WORLD CHAMPIONS-"Sadio, I’ll get him back don’t worry.” (U19731)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} Super European Champions of the World (U2720)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
I love Klopp and for us there is not another manager in the world that could've done a better job than him.
You also should choose between the two based on the project that your club wants to embark on. Both revolutionise their clubs in respective ways and both are the best at what they do.
There's a common misconception Klopp isn't as tactically astute as Pep which is utter bull crap imo. There's only one manager in world football that Pep doesn't have a better h2h record against. But both Pep & Klopp changed the game in their own way back at Barca & Dortmund respectively. Pep introduced a possession based system, with & without the ball, that incorporated pressing. Klopp introduced a pressing system both with & without the ball. None of them plucked these ideas out of thin air. These tactics existed in the past...but at that specific time, no one specific side was doing it at the level they were. At that time people were still in awe over the tactically rigid sides of Mourinho & Benitez etc. They both brought something new to the table.
Saying that...if you can't see the influence that Pep has had on Klopp both at Dortmund, after he joined Bayern and now Liverpool then you need to pay more attention. Just for his sheer influence at a global scale...Pep shades it for me.
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Klopp was influenced by Sacchi for his pressing game long before Pep was manager.
Klopp became manager of Dortmund 2008 in the same year Pep became manager of Barca.
Immediately Klopp introduced a high pressing game.
Pep had no influence on Klopp tactically as they both play a different style.
Klopp at Dortmund played a high energy, winning the ball upfront and the first thought was a direct forward pass. Pep was more about winning the ball quickly and passing the ball between the lines to players who are comfortable in receiving the ball in tight spaces.
There is also a difference in their 433 system.
Our front three go narrow when the fullbacks push up were as City wingers stay wide to open up the space between the fullback and centre back and this gives KDB the opportunity to play his crosses from that space.
Both are great managers.
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Please tell me where in my post did I say that Klopp got his pressing tactic from Pep?
However if you look at the way Klopp dabbled with player positioning in his last season at Dortmund, you'll understand why he looked at things Pep did with Bayern and tried to refine them.
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I disagree. The player positioning of the system of Pep is very different to the one of Klopp.
For example the fullbacks of City play as inverted fullbacks and make it a 3 in midfield and push their 2 midfielders further up the field in the half spaces.
Our fullbacks push further up the field and two of our midfield players cover the space in the fullback area.
Totally different of positioning of players in attack and defence. He did this at Dortmund with Piszczek and Schmelzer who played in the same way.
The only thing he has changed is playing a more conservative game than he did at Dortmund and his first years at Liverpool.
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