"3 goals in 15 games"
Ouch
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 20 seconds ago
"3 goals in 15 games"
Ouch
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Exactly. It really is a myth based on a couple of Vidic mistake.
How many of those game were when he played for Chelsea?
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 52 seconds ago
How many of those game were when he played for Chelsea?
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I’m sure there was quite a few but 3 goals doesn’t suggest domination.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 52 seconds ago
How many of those game were when he played for Chelsea?
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I’m sure there was quite a few but 3 goals doesn’t suggest domination.
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4 goals in 13 appearances plus 2 assists
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fernando-torres/bilanzdetails/spieler/7767/gegner/11
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 52 seconds ago
How many of those game were when he played for Chelsea?
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I’m sure there was quite a few but 3 goals doesn’t suggest domination.
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4 goals in 13 appearances plus 2 assists
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fernando-torres/bilanzdetails/spieler/7767/gegner/11
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Fair. Got my stats elsewhere but again does not suggest domination.
The only nightmare I remember Vidic having against him was in the 4-1.
Yeah think it was three games in a row he destroyed him. Not much change out of the others.
Biggest myth in football? Liverpool being a working class club after sponging off the tax player to pay their non playing staff.
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for liverpool he got 3 goals and 1 assist in 6 games. not bad.
I remember Vidic going through a spell of having nightmares against us in general and getting sent off three times in a row.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 4 minutes ago
Paul Scholes.
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You can terrorise a defender without getting in the score sheet.
What a terrible barometer the OP is using.
Torres scored 3 goals against a team not Vidic, but make no mistake he terrorised.
Vidic got sent off 4 times in a row against us didn't he?
As mentioned, his Chelsea matches where he was a washed up dud hardly count do they.
I'm going from some sketchy memory here, but I remember thinking at the time it was a bit of a myth, yeah.
07/08 - Torres did nothing in either game.
08/09 - Torres didnt play at Anfield. Tore him apart at Old Trafford.
09/10 - The game at Anfield, I think it was Rio he troubled that time? Vidic got sent off later on but I dont think Torres was involved. He scored at Old Trafford early on but I remember us controlling the rest of the game.
10/11 - Dont remember Torres doing much at Old Trafford in the Berba hat-trick game. Moved to Chelsea after that where he was a non-entity.
Was a top player Torres, but I dont think he 'tore us apart' to the extent, say, Aguero has over the years.
Myths in football
Luck evens itself out over the course of a season.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 42 minutes ago
Paul Scholes.
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You know what I partially agree with you. He was a very good player but not one of the all time greats that he’s been portrayed as since retirement.
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That the standard of football is poorer now than it was ‘back in my day’
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"He wouldn't do it on a rainy Wednesday night in November against Stoke"
Keane's 99 Juve performance being portrayed as one of the greatest ever
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 42 minutes ago
Paul Scholes.
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You know what I partially agree with you. He was a very good player but not one of the all time greats that he’s been portrayed as since retirement.
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I've spent a lot of time watching old United games during lockdown and he really, really was quality.
I also watched the England vs Croatia repeat that the BBC played and out of the midfield 4 of himself, Becks, Lampard & Gerrard, I thought he was by far the best. I actually thought Gerrard was the worst (on the day) - the amount of times he gives the ball away compared to not just Scholes, but Lampard too was interesting to see.
Scholes' shaping of the play, passing precision and intelligence was different level to most of his peers.
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posted on 6/4/20
"3 goals in 15 games"
Ouch
posted on 6/4/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 20 seconds ago
"3 goals in 15 games"
Ouch
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Exactly. It really is a myth based on a couple of Vidic mistake.
posted on 6/4/20
How many of those game were when he played for Chelsea?
posted on 6/4/20
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 52 seconds ago
How many of those game were when he played for Chelsea?
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I’m sure there was quite a few but 3 goals doesn’t suggest domination.
posted on 6/4/20
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 52 seconds ago
How many of those game were when he played for Chelsea?
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I’m sure there was quite a few but 3 goals doesn’t suggest domination.
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4 goals in 13 appearances plus 2 assists
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fernando-torres/bilanzdetails/spieler/7767/gegner/11
posted on 6/4/20
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (kash) I'm the Mané - 6 Times Baby (U1108)
posted 52 seconds ago
How many of those game were when he played for Chelsea?
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I’m sure there was quite a few but 3 goals doesn’t suggest domination.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
4 goals in 13 appearances plus 2 assists
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fernando-torres/bilanzdetails/spieler/7767/gegner/11
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Fair. Got my stats elsewhere but again does not suggest domination.
The only nightmare I remember Vidic having against him was in the 4-1.
posted on 6/4/20
Yeah think it was three games in a row he destroyed him. Not much change out of the others.
posted on 6/4/20
Biggest myth in football? Liverpool being a working class club after sponging off the tax player to pay their non playing staff.
posted on 6/4/20
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posted on 6/4/20
for liverpool he got 3 goals and 1 assist in 6 games. not bad.
posted on 6/4/20
I remember Vidic going through a spell of having nightmares against us in general and getting sent off three times in a row.
posted on 6/4/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 4 minutes ago
Paul Scholes.
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posted on 6/4/20
You can terrorise a defender without getting in the score sheet.
What a terrible barometer the OP is using.
Torres scored 3 goals against a team not Vidic, but make no mistake he terrorised.
posted on 6/4/20
Vidic got sent off 4 times in a row against us didn't he?
As mentioned, his Chelsea matches where he was a washed up dud hardly count do they.
posted on 6/4/20
I'm going from some sketchy memory here, but I remember thinking at the time it was a bit of a myth, yeah.
07/08 - Torres did nothing in either game.
08/09 - Torres didnt play at Anfield. Tore him apart at Old Trafford.
09/10 - The game at Anfield, I think it was Rio he troubled that time? Vidic got sent off later on but I dont think Torres was involved. He scored at Old Trafford early on but I remember us controlling the rest of the game.
10/11 - Dont remember Torres doing much at Old Trafford in the Berba hat-trick game. Moved to Chelsea after that where he was a non-entity.
Was a top player Torres, but I dont think he 'tore us apart' to the extent, say, Aguero has over the years.
posted on 6/4/20
Myths in football
Luck evens itself out over the course of a season.
posted on 6/4/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 42 minutes ago
Paul Scholes.
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You know what I partially agree with you. He was a very good player but not one of the all time greats that he’s been portrayed as since retirement.
posted on 6/4/20
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posted on 6/4/20
That the standard of football is poorer now than it was ‘back in my day’
posted on 6/4/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 6/4/20
"He wouldn't do it on a rainy Wednesday night in November against Stoke"
posted on 6/4/20
Keane's 99 Juve performance being portrayed as one of the greatest ever
posted on 6/4/20
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 42 minutes ago
Paul Scholes.
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You know what I partially agree with you. He was a very good player but not one of the all time greats that he’s been portrayed as since retirement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've spent a lot of time watching old United games during lockdown and he really, really was quality.
I also watched the England vs Croatia repeat that the BBC played and out of the midfield 4 of himself, Becks, Lampard & Gerrard, I thought he was by far the best. I actually thought Gerrard was the worst (on the day) - the amount of times he gives the ball away compared to not just Scholes, but Lampard too was interesting to see.
Scholes' shaping of the play, passing precision and intelligence was different level to most of his peers.
posted on 6/4/20
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posted on 6/4/20
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