I was playing football for the first time in nearly 7 years a few weeks ago ghod, with kids in the care home I work in.
5 mins in, knee buckled.
back to hospital for me, crutches, xray. I was in an out in 30 minutes because A&E was dead, apart from some staff in the waiting room with older people who looked rough as f... - the staff were wearing what can only be described as riot gear.
2 theories - one, people are scared to go, which I understand.
two. A&E is quiet because nobody is out doing anything, e.g. playing football, so less injuries that A&E are managing.
People worried about serious conditions though, should absolutely be going.
A tenner mate
=============
You’d think
fs mate, nightmare hope it isn't too serious
yeah it's natural that people are afraid to go into hospital but there's not much more we can do other than say just go in if you feel like theres someting wrong with you
A&E numbers are down something like 40%, I work 2 mins from A&E so pass by it a lot and without sounding callous or anything like that theres people who probably go to A&E with minor injuries etc because they may be lonely/proving a point/looking for heat/water/food
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 1 minute ago
I dont understand why people aren't going to hospital, they're still open for business and people are being encouraged to go if they're sick
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seriously?
The media has been nothing but hysterical over this. Everyone sees a hospital and a care home as a hotbed for catching the thing.
Listen to any radio show and it’s full of people wanting more and harsher lockdown until next year. Everyone is terrified.
Then there is the generational aspect where older people (and most vulnerable) don’t want to be seen to be a hindrance.
comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 8 minutes ago
This is already costing us over £330bn of commitment and we are now asking to borrow £180bn as of yesterday.
=======================
How much did the forays in Iraq and Afghanistan cost?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’ve no idea. I’m not the person to ask but that has absolutely no relevance to this situation.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 4 minutes ago
mental health is a tricky one, and really, it depends on the condition.
Joe, for example, says he feels better than he did before, so that's good.
agoraphobics who stay home, fine.
anxiety - could go either way depending on what makes you anxious, some people happy to stay home to avoid others, others will be worse off as they fear the virus, depends on the trigger.
kids at school being bullied will be having an easier time of it by not being in school, that said, the rise of social media means bullying is not restricted to the outdoors, you can be bullied in your home now, the one place you should feel safe.
loneliness I imagine will be a factor for older people, I've tried to call my gran more and we have a big family so I like to think everyone is pitching in.
hit and miss I imagine.
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I would expect it to be very much on the negative side.
Joe will be very much in the minority.
Care, counselling, companionship, will all be much reduced.
Exercise & fresh air play a part but again its variable and people even need companionship to do this.
We worry about this but can for the most part rationalise, we have concerns for family all the time but its got to be increased now.
Some wont cope with that as well as others.
Getting some sort of reality back in peoples lives when its safe to do so is the only cure.
Hopefully the powers that be have noted the weaknesses in our care system and make it a priority going forward.
i'm alright now, still can't straighten it fully.
back for an MRI when this is all over, might need an OP
comment by BB7 (U13430)
posted 18 minutes ago
The more people that behave and do as they're told the sooner we can get back to some kind of normality.
Also, economies recover, dead folk cannot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Over 90% of the population are strictly adhering to the rules. The government estimated 50%.
Economies don’t just “recover” and the latest estimate now is that this situation is no longer recoverable.
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
Don't go to the hospital if you've fell and hurt your arm or you think you've broke a rib
don't waste time of staff and over crowd the hospitals
but if you're unwell, think you've maybe got a serious illness please continue to do to hospitals
I've not heard anything telling me otherwise
I’ve no idea. I’m not the person to ask but that has absolutely no relevance to this situation.
=========================
Well at least the money being used during this crisis is being used correctly, as opposed to spaffing it all over two made up war zones.
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 26 minutes ago
My boy dean and his wife work in a care home. It was only earlier this week they were given pep.
Rebecca was telling me they had 7 people tested just recently, and of now 3 results have been positive.
She said the 3 have been coughing around her before testing and our dean was told not to come in on Tuesday as he had a heavy cough.
Dean is on a weeks isolation at home, he thinks it just a bad cold as his sore throat has lifted so heres hoping. Rebecca is still going in, not sure if she meant to with dean in isolation, dont think where they work have a scooby.
I understand if and his concern for his mum
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no she shouldn't be going in for 2 weeks
I'm a wee bit surprised at the narrative developing that "it hasn't been that bad".
Thousands have died. Many more thousands haven't been reported. We have had one of the worst death rates in Europe and the world.
Singapore has shown that if you ease the lockdown too early or without the appropriate planning then you can go back to square one swiftly.
I totally get the economic impact and I think an easing of the restrictions is sensible, but caution is key here.
I certainly am grateful I'm not the one making the decision on the balance between economics and deaths.
there's specific COVID hubs in the hospital, I mean you've still got people in ICU who haven't got it
surely it's common sense if you think you're sick enough to need a hospital people are still going
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BB7 (U13430)
posted 18 minutes ago
The more people that behave and do as they're told the sooner we can get back to some kind of normality.
Also, economies recover, dead folk cannot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Over 90% of the population are strictly adhering to the rules. The government estimated 50%.
Economies don’t just “recover” and the latest estimate now is that this situation is no longer recoverable.
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was my point on we all read what we want to accept as truth and dismiss the rest
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm a wee bit surprised at the narrative developing that "it hasn't been that bad".
Thousands have died. Many more thousands haven't been reported. We have had one of the worst death rates in Europe and the world.
Singapore has shown that if you ease the lockdown too early or without the appropriate planning then you can go back to square one swiftly.
I totally get the economic impact and I think an easing of the restrictions is sensible, but caution is key here.
I certainly am grateful I'm not the one making the decision on the balance between economics and deaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If we could be trusted to behave the way the swedish have then that would be ideal but sadly we demonstrated that wasnt possible
are Swedens numbers not getting worse?
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
=============================
Listen to the advice of financial experts over medical experts during a pandemic? Really?
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 17 seconds ago
are Swedens numbers not getting worse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. Their approach is very controversial.
comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 56 seconds ago
I’ve no idea. I’m not the person to ask but that has absolutely no relevance to this situation.
=========================
Well at least the money being used during this crisis is being used correctly, as opposed to spaffing it all over two made up war zones.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
On your first point we don’t know that and with anything like this there will be a huge amount of waste.
But let’s not compare “illegal” wars with fighting an unknown virus.
comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 3 minutes ago
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
=============================
Listen to the advice of financial experts over medical experts during a pandemic? Really?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you listen to Dr's tell us how to recover the economy?
It's two issues not one and the same but the dependencies on each other are critical
But let’s not compare “illegal” wars with fighting an unknown virus.
=======================
Just pointing out it seems acceptable to spend countless billions bombing the bejaysus out of third world countries, but all of a sudden some people seem to be against bailing out their own ‘people’ during a pandemic.
Would you listen to Dr's tell us how to recover the economy?
===============================
That was exactly my point. I’ll take medical advice from medical experts and financial advice.....etc.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by BB7 (U13430)
posted 18 minutes ago
The more people that behave and do as they're told the sooner we can get back to some kind of normality.
Also, economies recover, dead folk cannot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Over 90% of the population are strictly adhering to the rules. The government estimated 50%.
Economies don’t just “recover” and the latest estimate now is that this situation is no longer recoverable.
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s just a natural defence mechanism. Thinking long term economy doesn’t come into it when everyone’s first thought is to avoid the virus.
Too many people think about the cost of everything and yet know the value of nothing!! If this pandemic teaching us anything it should be, firstly, that we are better as part of a larger union who can then best use its buying power, trade agreement etc and that the smallest and weakest can be looked after by the largest strongest and, secondly, we simply need to change this entire economic system away from the free market “I’m all right jack” system that Reagan and thatcher cobbled together 40 years ago!! We need a more caring economy that puts people before profit, value before cost and the many before the few!! We have to learn from this!!
its hard to gauge duke.
as we say, loneliness will be a factor but social media, video calling etc, they all help.
people who are stressed at work might find it more pleasant working from home, others might find it more stressful.
money worries add to mental health issues as well, others are happy to have so much time with their kids while there are those that cant cope having them all the time.
The plus side i imagine is that those who use mental health services can still have access remotely.
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posted on 24/4/20
I was playing football for the first time in nearly 7 years a few weeks ago ghod, with kids in the care home I work in.
5 mins in, knee buckled.
back to hospital for me, crutches, xray. I was in an out in 30 minutes because A&E was dead, apart from some staff in the waiting room with older people who looked rough as f... - the staff were wearing what can only be described as riot gear.
2 theories - one, people are scared to go, which I understand.
two. A&E is quiet because nobody is out doing anything, e.g. playing football, so less injuries that A&E are managing.
People worried about serious conditions though, should absolutely be going.
posted on 24/4/20
A tenner mate
=============
You’d think
posted on 24/4/20
fs mate, nightmare hope it isn't too serious
yeah it's natural that people are afraid to go into hospital but there's not much more we can do other than say just go in if you feel like theres someting wrong with you
A&E numbers are down something like 40%, I work 2 mins from A&E so pass by it a lot and without sounding callous or anything like that theres people who probably go to A&E with minor injuries etc because they may be lonely/proving a point/looking for heat/water/food
posted on 24/4/20
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 1 minute ago
I dont understand why people aren't going to hospital, they're still open for business and people are being encouraged to go if they're sick
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seriously?
The media has been nothing but hysterical over this. Everyone sees a hospital and a care home as a hotbed for catching the thing.
Listen to any radio show and it’s full of people wanting more and harsher lockdown until next year. Everyone is terrified.
Then there is the generational aspect where older people (and most vulnerable) don’t want to be seen to be a hindrance.
posted on 24/4/20
comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 8 minutes ago
This is already costing us over £330bn of commitment and we are now asking to borrow £180bn as of yesterday.
=======================
How much did the forays in Iraq and Afghanistan cost?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’ve no idea. I’m not the person to ask but that has absolutely no relevance to this situation.
posted on 24/4/20
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 4 minutes ago
mental health is a tricky one, and really, it depends on the condition.
Joe, for example, says he feels better than he did before, so that's good.
agoraphobics who stay home, fine.
anxiety - could go either way depending on what makes you anxious, some people happy to stay home to avoid others, others will be worse off as they fear the virus, depends on the trigger.
kids at school being bullied will be having an easier time of it by not being in school, that said, the rise of social media means bullying is not restricted to the outdoors, you can be bullied in your home now, the one place you should feel safe.
loneliness I imagine will be a factor for older people, I've tried to call my gran more and we have a big family so I like to think everyone is pitching in.
hit and miss I imagine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would expect it to be very much on the negative side.
Joe will be very much in the minority.
Care, counselling, companionship, will all be much reduced.
Exercise & fresh air play a part but again its variable and people even need companionship to do this.
We worry about this but can for the most part rationalise, we have concerns for family all the time but its got to be increased now.
Some wont cope with that as well as others.
Getting some sort of reality back in peoples lives when its safe to do so is the only cure.
Hopefully the powers that be have noted the weaknesses in our care system and make it a priority going forward.
posted on 24/4/20
i'm alright now, still can't straighten it fully.
back for an MRI when this is all over, might need an OP
posted on 24/4/20
comment by BB7 (U13430)
posted 18 minutes ago
The more people that behave and do as they're told the sooner we can get back to some kind of normality.
Also, economies recover, dead folk cannot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Over 90% of the population are strictly adhering to the rules. The government estimated 50%.
Economies don’t just “recover” and the latest estimate now is that this situation is no longer recoverable.
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
posted on 24/4/20
Don't go to the hospital if you've fell and hurt your arm or you think you've broke a rib
don't waste time of staff and over crowd the hospitals
but if you're unwell, think you've maybe got a serious illness please continue to do to hospitals
I've not heard anything telling me otherwise
posted on 24/4/20
I’ve no idea. I’m not the person to ask but that has absolutely no relevance to this situation.
=========================
Well at least the money being used during this crisis is being used correctly, as opposed to spaffing it all over two made up war zones.
posted on 24/4/20
comment by puyolsnohadahaircut (U6410)
posted 26 minutes ago
My boy dean and his wife work in a care home. It was only earlier this week they were given pep.
Rebecca was telling me they had 7 people tested just recently, and of now 3 results have been positive.
She said the 3 have been coughing around her before testing and our dean was told not to come in on Tuesday as he had a heavy cough.
Dean is on a weeks isolation at home, he thinks it just a bad cold as his sore throat has lifted so heres hoping. Rebecca is still going in, not sure if she meant to with dean in isolation, dont think where they work have a scooby.
I understand if and his concern for his mum
----------------------------------------------------------------------
no she shouldn't be going in for 2 weeks
posted on 24/4/20
I'm a wee bit surprised at the narrative developing that "it hasn't been that bad".
Thousands have died. Many more thousands haven't been reported. We have had one of the worst death rates in Europe and the world.
Singapore has shown that if you ease the lockdown too early or without the appropriate planning then you can go back to square one swiftly.
I totally get the economic impact and I think an easing of the restrictions is sensible, but caution is key here.
I certainly am grateful I'm not the one making the decision on the balance between economics and deaths.
posted on 24/4/20
there's specific COVID hubs in the hospital, I mean you've still got people in ICU who haven't got it
surely it's common sense if you think you're sick enough to need a hospital people are still going
posted on 24/4/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by BB7 (U13430)
posted 18 minutes ago
The more people that behave and do as they're told the sooner we can get back to some kind of normality.
Also, economies recover, dead folk cannot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Over 90% of the population are strictly adhering to the rules. The government estimated 50%.
Economies don’t just “recover” and the latest estimate now is that this situation is no longer recoverable.
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That was my point on we all read what we want to accept as truth and dismiss the rest
posted on 24/4/20
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm a wee bit surprised at the narrative developing that "it hasn't been that bad".
Thousands have died. Many more thousands haven't been reported. We have had one of the worst death rates in Europe and the world.
Singapore has shown that if you ease the lockdown too early or without the appropriate planning then you can go back to square one swiftly.
I totally get the economic impact and I think an easing of the restrictions is sensible, but caution is key here.
I certainly am grateful I'm not the one making the decision on the balance between economics and deaths.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If we could be trusted to behave the way the swedish have then that would be ideal but sadly we demonstrated that wasnt possible
posted on 24/4/20
are Swedens numbers not getting worse?
posted on 24/4/20
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
=============================
Listen to the advice of financial experts over medical experts during a pandemic? Really?
posted on 24/4/20
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 17 seconds ago
are Swedens numbers not getting worse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. Their approach is very controversial.
posted on 24/4/20
comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 56 seconds ago
I’ve no idea. I’m not the person to ask but that has absolutely no relevance to this situation.
=========================
Well at least the money being used during this crisis is being used correctly, as opposed to spaffing it all over two made up war zones.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
On your first point we don’t know that and with anything like this there will be a huge amount of waste.
But let’s not compare “illegal” wars with fighting an unknown virus.
posted on 24/4/20
comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 3 minutes ago
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
=============================
Listen to the advice of financial experts over medical experts during a pandemic? Really?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would you listen to Dr's tell us how to recover the economy?
It's two issues not one and the same but the dependencies on each other are critical
posted on 24/4/20
But let’s not compare “illegal” wars with fighting an unknown virus.
=======================
Just pointing out it seems acceptable to spend countless billions bombing the bejaysus out of third world countries, but all of a sudden some people seem to be against bailing out their own ‘people’ during a pandemic.
posted on 24/4/20
Would you listen to Dr's tell us how to recover the economy?
===============================
That was exactly my point. I’ll take medical advice from medical experts and financial advice.....etc.
posted on 24/4/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by BB7 (U13430)
posted 18 minutes ago
The more people that behave and do as they're told the sooner we can get back to some kind of normality.
Also, economies recover, dead folk cannot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Over 90% of the population are strictly adhering to the rules. The government estimated 50%.
Economies don’t just “recover” and the latest estimate now is that this situation is no longer recoverable.
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s just a natural defence mechanism. Thinking long term economy doesn’t come into it when everyone’s first thought is to avoid the virus.
posted on 24/4/20
Too many people think about the cost of everything and yet know the value of nothing!! If this pandemic teaching us anything it should be, firstly, that we are better as part of a larger union who can then best use its buying power, trade agreement etc and that the smallest and weakest can be looked after by the largest strongest and, secondly, we simply need to change this entire economic system away from the free market “I’m all right jack” system that Reagan and thatcher cobbled together 40 years ago!! We need a more caring economy that puts people before profit, value before cost and the many before the few!! We have to learn from this!!
posted on 24/4/20
its hard to gauge duke.
as we say, loneliness will be a factor but social media, video calling etc, they all help.
people who are stressed at work might find it more pleasant working from home, others might find it more stressful.
money worries add to mental health issues as well, others are happy to have so much time with their kids while there are those that cant cope having them all the time.
The plus side i imagine is that those who use mental health services can still have access remotely.
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