rats

i'd rather my granny was here when this is over than my job.

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 8 minutes ago
I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
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Listen to the advice of financial experts over medical experts during a pandemic? Really?
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I’m absolutely certain I didn’t say anything remotely like that but keep on trying to misinterpret my words if it helps your argument

We need a more caring economy that puts people before profit
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comment by rats juice a big perry baps nat ❤️ (U6393)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by BB7 (U13430)
posted 18 minutes ago
The more people that behave and do as they're told the sooner we can get back to some kind of normality.

Also, economies recover, dead folk cannot.
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Over 90% of the population are strictly adhering to the rules. The government estimated 50%.

Economies don’t just “recover” and the latest estimate now is that this situation is no longer recoverable.

I struggle to understand why people will listen to one are of experts in health who even between them can’t agree yet refuse to listen to economic experts who as a group state quite clearly that this cost is becoming far too high and will in turn cause even more and longer lasting health issues.
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It’s just a natural defence mechanism. Thinking long term economy doesn’t come into it when everyone’s first thought is to avoid the virus.
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Absolutely

"Based on what? If, what I'm reading is correct then half of deaths have occurred in care homes. Would a lockdown have stopped that? Could the homes and hospitals not just have locked down"

I'm assuming it would be fewer than half of all deaths had we continued without Lockdown, as the total death would be far higher.

comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 1 minute ago
We need a more caring economy that puts people before profit
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It’s not about profit.

It’s about having an economy that can afford to look after people.

We’re all going to pay for this further down the line, but for now the fight is against suppressing the virus. I’ve resigned myself for these measures to continue until the end of June.

comment by (U22371)
posted 3 minutes ago
Too many people think about the cost of everything and yet know the value of nothing!! If this pandemic teaching us anything it should be, firstly, that we are better as part of a larger union who can then best use its buying power, trade agreement etc and that the smallest and weakest can be looked after by the largest strongest and, secondly, we simply need to change this entire economic system away from the free market “I’m all right jack” system that Reagan and thatcher cobbled together 40 years ago!! We need a more caring economy that puts people before profit, value before cost and the many before the few!! We have to learn from this!!
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Having a union with tories and having a more caring economy are completely opposite ideas.

Can you imagine trying to persuade BawJaws, Rees-Mogg and Pritti Patel about the merits of a more caring economy?

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 2 minutes ago

i'd rather my granny was here when this is over than my job.



in a nutshell, think of the lasting effect a single member of a family dying will have during this, 5 people at a funeral, not being able to goodbye etc

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 31 seconds ago
We’re all going to pay for this further down the line, but for now the fight is against suppressing the virus. I’ve resigned myself for these measures to continue until the end of June.
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Can’t see it mate. There’ll be a gradual return as we learn to live with this. I’m not suggesting for a second we’ll be anything like back to normal by June btw.

comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 17 seconds ago
are Swedens numbers not getting worse?
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Yes. Their approach is very controversial.
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depends of your definition of worse 2k deaths without lockdown but observing social distancing (that we completely failed at and had to lockdown)

based on population size their deaths are about a third less than ours. all without lockdown

Can you imagine trying to persuade BawJaws, Rees-Mogg and Pritti Patel about the merits of a more caring economy?


makes me feel a bit sick

I hope Boris has maybe seen a different side to things after his illness and immediately removes Patel from her position

she is poison

Listen to the advice of financial experts over medical experts during a pandemic? Really?
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I’m absolutely certain I didn’t say anything remotely like that but keep on trying to misinterpret my words if it helps your argument.
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Did you not see the question marks? I even said “Really.” Wasn’t trying to misinterpret anything

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 50 seconds ago
Listen to the advice of financial experts over medical experts during a pandemic? Really?
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I’m absolutely certain I didn’t say anything remotely like that but keep on trying to misinterpret my words if it helps your argument.
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Did you not see the question marks? I even said “Really.” Wasn’t trying to misinterpret anything

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Sorry Dal

based on population size their deaths are about a third less than ours. all without lockdown

wasn';t their some sort of article saying that they don't tend to socialise as much in countries like Sweden/Finland etc which would mean social distancing wouldnt have as much of an effect

again as usual may be plucking that out of nowhere

my mum is an obvious concern for me, my gran has cancer so there's another, and my father in law has had massive heart problems the last year or so.

Huge number or deaths, in lockdown.

I don't know what people imagine will happen if they ease that just now, other than a spike numbers.

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 1 minute ago
We’re all going to pay for this further down the line, but for now the fight is against suppressing the virus. I’ve resigned myself for these measures to continue until the end of June.
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I think so too 👍

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
we are in lockdown with this and we still have one of the highest mortality rates in the world, and its still climbing.
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Are you saying the gov are lying with their statistics?

Can’t see it mate. There’ll be a gradual return as we learn to live with this. I’m not suggesting for a second we’ll be anything like back to normal by June btw.
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I meant the easing of restrictions by the end of June We’re due for review on the 5th of May.

silver

I assume they are saying what trump is saying "one of the lowest in the world"

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 second ago
silver

I assume they are saying what trump is saying "one of the lowest in the world"
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The RATE they are absolutely saying is falling.

The TOTAL is increasing - we all know that.

Are you saying the gov are lying



about absolutely everything...Yes

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 31 seconds ago
We’re all going to pay for this further down the line, but for now the fight is against suppressing the virus. I’ve resigned myself for these measures to continue until the end of June.
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Can’t see it mate. There’ll be a gradual return as we learn to live with this. I’m not suggesting for a second we’ll be anything like back to normal by June btw.
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We’re looking at a very grim near future under the present circumstances.

How is the world going to recover economically under completely new rules where normal movement is not an option?

Having Trump in power at this time is a concern. He’s just one step away from doing something REALLY stupid.

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 23 seconds ago
Can’t see it mate. There’ll be a gradual return as we learn to live with this. I’m not suggesting for a second we’ll be anything like back to normal by June btw.
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I meant the easing of restrictions by the end of JuneWe’re due for review on the 5th of May.
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They’ve started easing in construction and elements of manufacture. We’ve had the notifications through over the last two weeks. Huge companies are reopening sites and retail outlets along with house builders. Construction material manufacturers such as bricks etc are reopening.

First steps. I think schooling and garden centres and the like will be next.