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Religion has just become a pathetic excuse for people to try and justify abhorrent behaviour and dodgy criminal acts. Alot of them just want to cause pointless mayhem and trouble because they've nothing better to do. T
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And what about all the political and ideological rioting and criminal damage we've been seeing?
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What about it?
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It's not just religion that is used as justification for such acts.
These political ideologies are itself a religion.
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Yep. Both religious and political cretins exist. But at least politics is real.
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Politics is made up of a lot of lies and deception.
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Not like religion
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posted 18 minutes ago
The is the crux of the matter for me - to disguise between ‘Religion’ and those that have ‘a faith’ and try to live it out
There is a huge difference - one is a man-created institution that is built on control, abuse and power the other is an internal/spiritual journey that hopefully inspires a person to be outward looking and to do good in the world
That’s where I am with the whole thing anyway
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I agree, I like your philosophy. I really admire people who have a faith and use it positively to benefit others. Unfortunately in my experience it’s been used for anything but.
I feel sorry for the teacher hung out to dry by his cowardly boss. In fact his life has been put in danger by it.
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Thank you
And I totally agree with you on your point of the spineless management of the school
Rather than condemn the guy, they should have been congratulating him on doing his job and getting his pupils to think, debate and work out for themselves what they believe and why they believe it
Surely this is what education is all about, free speech and getting the young folk of today to think feeling for themselves - rather than be conditioned by fanatical extremist views such as their parents
The school should be backing the bloody guy not condemning him - totally spineless snowflakes
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The school initially did back the teacher. More things came to light and he was sacked and an apology given because the teacher was wrong.
The materialnhebused have been used for a couple of years so weren't a problem before.
As I said earlier there is more to the story and more than one teacher involved.
In a nutshell the teacher was an arrogant piece of chit who used inflammatory language in the lesson. Things like "here's a cartoon who is wrong the terrorist or charlie hebdo (remember it wasn't even a charlie hebdo cartoon)". He later is said to have said things like "your boys are blowing our boys legs off". To a mainly asian Muslim class. This isn't blasphemy now but falls under certain things in the law.
A parent of one kid called the teacher to talk to him. He called the parent back and had a rant about "my British values" to offend etc.
The school have suspended him pending an investigation, not sacked him. This was done a few days later. He was initially backed. The lesson was Monday. The protests started Thursday.
Incidentally most parents have been really good and are asking for calm and working with the school. Those outside were agencies. And the media was greater in number than the *protestors".
I'm reminded of the Belgian teacher sacked in 2020 for showing images of Muhammad. A similar uproar was witnessed in Belgium. Once info was released it had nothing to do with religion. This fool had shown the pic/cartoon of a man on all fours, naked with the bits dangling, to 10 year olds.
The main issue here is that the word Islam has been mentioned so folk are losing their heads. It's frankly disgraceful.
Also worth noting is that schools have a national curriculum, but RE and PHSE are not national curriculum subjects. These are set by local committees made up of teachers, councillors and community. Parents have an opt out option in these. No one opted out of this lesson for at least 2 years, using those materials.
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
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‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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WW2 was about religion and killed 75 million, sure that takes the number higher than 2% deaths
"To a mainly asian Muslim class"
I fail to see what the religious beliefs of the students has to do with anything. Surely they should be taught the same way any other group of students would be, no matter their religion.
There is an awful lot of wars over difference of religions and beliefs in here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
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posted 1 minute ago
"To a mainly asian Muslim class"
I fail to see what the religious beliefs of the students has to do with anything. Surely they should be taught the same way any other group of students would be, no matter their religion.
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Is that what you took from that?
The quote was your boys blowing off our boys legs.
Well obviously there is more to the conversation than what has been shared.
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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WW2 was about religion and killed 75 million, sure that takes the number higher than 2% deaths
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WW2 wasn't about religion. The biggest casualties were Russian and Chinese, you know those bastian's of religion
People always try and dress things up to suit.
Was Ireland about catholic and protestant or unionist and nationalist?
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Well obviously there is more to the conversation than what has been shared.
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Which is what I tried to share in the first few posts, if you look back.
Instead we have anti religious rhetoric and bits of islamophobia thrown in.
Tbf you shouldn't even believe my account, why not wait until more info is released?
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
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‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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That’s total bollx - you give any statistic you like - there were more deaths in the Bible alone than the whole of WW1 and WW2 combined
Religion is responsible and the cause of more deaths to humankind than anything else throughout the whole of human history - FACT!
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Well obviously there is more to the conversation than what has been shared.
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All you have said is there was more than 1 teacher involved, the teacher is a cant and he should have behaved differently because the students were asian muslims.
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
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‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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That’s total bollx - you give any statistic you like - there were more deaths in the Bible alone than the whole of WW1 and WW2 combined
Religion is responsible and the cause of more deaths to humankind than anything else throughout the whole of human history - FACT!
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It's not bollox at all. You seemmronhave a personal vendetta against religion and if that works for you fine.
Plenty of research has gone into these things and the "factual" picture isn't the same as quotes by Dawkins and the like with an axe to grind.
See for example institute for economics and peace and the encyclopedia of wars (where I got the initial stats from)
Thems.facts
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Well obviously there is more to the conversation than what has been shared.
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All you have said is there was more than 1 teacher involved, the teacher is a cant and he should have behaved differently because the students were asian muslims.
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Suggests you read it again I clearly quoted what he is said to have said.
"Your boys blowing our boys legs off" to a mainly asian Muslim class.
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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That’s total bollx - you give any statistic you like - there were more deaths in the Bible alone than the whole of WW1 and WW2 combined
Religion is responsible and the cause of more deaths to humankind than anything else throughout the whole of human history - FACT!
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It's not bollox at all. You seemmronhave a personal vendetta against religion and if that works for you fine.
Plenty of research has gone into these things and the "factual" picture isn't the same as quotes by Dawkins and the like with an axe to grind.
See for example institute for economics and peace and the encyclopedia of wars (where I got the initial stats from)
Thems.facts
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I’ve been involved in my fair share or Religious activities and have read enough Theology over the past 40 odd years to know where I get my information and facts from
And yes, I have an issue with ‘Religion’ I’ve seen enough news and first hand accounts of the damage it does - Religion is nothing more than a man made cult to control, abuse and dictate others
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
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‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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WW2 was about religion and killed 75 million, sure that takes the number higher than 2% deaths
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WW2 wasn't about religion. The biggest casualties were Russian and Chinese, you know those bastian's of religion
People always try and dress things up to suit.
Was Ireland about catholic and protestant or unionist and nationalist?
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I think you find those labels are pretty much inseparable and are a big factors in conflict. Saying the holocaust had nothing to do with religion is a bit cutting corners in my opinion. WW2 was definitely about religion, as well as other factors.
We can argue all day long about religion and wars, but religion plays a big part in war/conflict one way or an other.
For example the Iraq/ISIS war isnt classified as a religious war, religious elements are overtly present but variously described as fundamentalism or religious extremism. But to me and many others it is a religious war, or a war with a religious background.
The irony is that there are some things that are more sacred in this country than any religion.
The right for all children to be given a fair and balanced education being one. Our laws and diverse society being others.
All religion comes second to this and should remain a
personal view of the individual.
Right now there are some people from one particular religion challenging these freedoms and finding it difficult to accept putting their faith second to a secular society that allows them to freely practice their faith without impinging on others.
Included within that group of people letting down their religion are leaders from that religion who should know better than to encourage intimidation and violence.
A continuation of such negative religious conduct is only going to end badly for them. Start preaching the diverse values that this country stands for to these misguided individuals instead of joining them, and their religion may then be viewed more positively in a secular society.
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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That’s total bollx - you give any statistic you like - there were more deaths in the Bible alone than the whole of WW1 and WW2 combined
Religion is responsible and the cause of more deaths to humankind than anything else throughout the whole of human history - FACT!
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It's not bollox at all. You seemmronhave a personal vendetta against religion and if that works for you fine.
Plenty of research has gone into these things and the "factual" picture isn't the same as quotes by Dawkins and the like with an axe to grind.
See for example institute for economics and peace and the encyclopedia of wars (where I got the initial stats from)
Thems.facts
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I’ve been involved in my fair share or Religious activities and have read enough Theology over the past 40 odd years to know where I get my information and facts from
And yes, I have an issue with ‘Religion’ I’ve seen enough news and first hand accounts of the damage it does - Religion is nothing more than a man made cult to control, abuse and dictate others
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I'm still involved in religion so I know where I get my information and facts from too. I love religion and see the good it does in terms of cohesion and happiness.
Humans have been known to abuse and dictate to others from time immemorial, religion or not. The cult of Hitchens, Dawkins and even Gervais are no different.
People will try and dress it up any way they can to justify ‘their Religion’
But at the end of the day, you only have to watch the news to see what Religion has done across the world
And and be blunt, Islamic extremist are some of the worst - they justify their barbaric and inhumane actions of torture and murder because their Holy Book directs them too
I mean, what civilised society would half bury a woman in the ground then throw rocks at her until she’s dead
Or be-head another human being with a blunt blade?
Or tie a belt of explosives around a child and make them walk in to the middle of a market place before detonating it
I mean seriously, in the 21st Century, this still happens today - it’s just plain sick
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 30 seconds ago
The irony is that there are some things that are more sacred in this country than any religion.
The right for all children to be given a fair and balanced education being one. Our laws and diverse society being others.
All religion comes second to this and should remain a
personal view of the individual.
Right now there are some people from one particular religion challenging these freedoms and finding it difficult to accept putting their faith second to a secular society that allows them to freely practice their faith without impinging on others.
Included within that group of people letting down their religion are leaders from that religion who should know better than to encourage intimidation and violence.
A continuation of such negative religious conduct is only going to end badly for them. Start preaching the diverse values that this country stands for to these misguided individuals instead of joining them, and their religion may then be viewed more positively in a secular society.
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If you read "our laws" then they take these things into consideration. So many RE guidelines specifically state that when discussing sensitive it shocking subjects (something that must be done) it does not necessitate the showing of shocking pictures.
Teachers by law have to be neutral and can ask questions and tease out topics but cannot instill their own opinions or offend for the sake of it.
Strangely enough the notion of secularismmin it's simplist form is seoerationnof church and state. In school curriculums this is exactly what happens, hence you have the national curriculum and the religious syllabus, 70% of which has to be Christianity based as that is the main religion of the country
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 4 minutes ago
The irony is that there are some things that are more sacred in this country than any religion.
The right for all children to be given a fair and balanced education being one. Our laws and diverse society being others.
All religion comes second to this and should remain a
personal view of the individual.
Right now there are some people from one particular religion challenging these freedoms and finding it difficult to accept putting their faith second to a secular society that allows them to freely practice their faith without impinging on others.
Included within that group of people letting down their religion are leaders from that religion who should know better than to encourage intimidation and violence.
A continuation of such negative religious conduct is only going to end badly for them. Start preaching the diverse values that this country stands for to these misguided individuals instead of joining them, and their religion may then be viewed more positively in a secular society.
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Good comment
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 2 minutes ago
People will try and dress it up any way they can to justify ‘their Religion’
But at the end of the day, you only have to watch the news to see what Religion has done across the world
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Maybe you give religion too much credit. It's not really religion that does these things, but people. With or without religion, humans are prone to bloodshed.
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 18 seconds ago
People will try and dress it up any way they can to justify ‘their Religion’
But at the end of the day, you only have to watch the news to see what Religion has done across the world
And and be blunt, Islamic extremist are some of the worst - they justify their barbaric and inhumane actions of torture and murder because their Holy Book directs them too
I mean, what civilised society would half bury a woman in the ground then throw rocks at her until she’s dead
Or be-head another human being with a blunt blade?
Or tie a belt of explosives around a child and make them walk in to the middle of a market place before detonating it
I mean seriously, in the 21st Century, this still happens today - it’s just plain sick
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So you can't argue with my facts and resort to anti Islamic rhetoric?
Suicide bombings were always associated with nationalistic causes from the first one in Russia to today.
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
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People will try and dress it up any way they can to justify ‘their Religion’
But at the end of the day, you only have to watch the news to see what Religion has done across the world
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Maybe you give religion too much credit. It's not really religion that does these things, but people. With or without religion, humans are prone to bloodshed.
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That was my initial point.
It's also how we dress things up. So for example we must all loathe suicide killings. However if you study WW1 the the notion of over the top was in essence suicide too. Hundreds and thousands of going men sent to their certain death by the blowing of a whistle. And even though we now know it was wrong information Emily pankhurst was a martyr for killing herself for a cause when I was a kid
The black widows of Russia, the Tamil tigers, the Tokkotai attacks etc all suicide tactics in war
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
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People will try and dress it up any way they can to justify ‘their Religion’
But at the end of the day, you only have to watch the news to see what Religion has done across the world
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Maybe you give religion too much credit. It's not really religion that does these things, but people. With or without religion, humans are prone to bloodshed.
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Fair point, but Religion is the cover they use in order to justify such a sick mindset
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Religion has just become a pathetic excuse for people to try and justify abhorrent behaviour and dodgy criminal acts. Alot of them just want to cause pointless mayhem and trouble because they've nothing better to do. T
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And what about all the political and ideological rioting and criminal damage we've been seeing?
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What about it?
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It's not just religion that is used as justification for such acts.
These political ideologies are itself a religion.
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Yep. Both religious and political cretins exist. But at least politics is real.
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Politics is made up of a lot of lies and deception.
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Not like religion
posted on 30/3/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Aggers Right Elbow (U3402)
posted 18 minutes ago
The is the crux of the matter for me - to disguise between ‘Religion’ and those that have ‘a faith’ and try to live it out
There is a huge difference - one is a man-created institution that is built on control, abuse and power the other is an internal/spiritual journey that hopefully inspires a person to be outward looking and to do good in the world
That’s where I am with the whole thing anyway
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I agree, I like your philosophy. I really admire people who have a faith and use it positively to benefit others. Unfortunately in my experience it’s been used for anything but.
I feel sorry for the teacher hung out to dry by his cowardly boss. In fact his life has been put in danger by it.
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Thank you
And I totally agree with you on your point of the spineless management of the school
Rather than condemn the guy, they should have been congratulating him on doing his job and getting his pupils to think, debate and work out for themselves what they believe and why they believe it
Surely this is what education is all about, free speech and getting the young folk of today to think feeling for themselves - rather than be conditioned by fanatical extremist views such as their parents
The school should be backing the bloody guy not condemning him - totally spineless snowflakes
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The school initially did back the teacher. More things came to light and he was sacked and an apology given because the teacher was wrong.
The materialnhebused have been used for a couple of years so weren't a problem before.
As I said earlier there is more to the story and more than one teacher involved.
In a nutshell the teacher was an arrogant piece of chit who used inflammatory language in the lesson. Things like "here's a cartoon who is wrong the terrorist or charlie hebdo (remember it wasn't even a charlie hebdo cartoon)". He later is said to have said things like "your boys are blowing our boys legs off". To a mainly asian Muslim class. This isn't blasphemy now but falls under certain things in the law.
A parent of one kid called the teacher to talk to him. He called the parent back and had a rant about "my British values" to offend etc.
The school have suspended him pending an investigation, not sacked him. This was done a few days later. He was initially backed. The lesson was Monday. The protests started Thursday.
Incidentally most parents have been really good and are asking for calm and working with the school. Those outside were agencies. And the media was greater in number than the *protestors".
I'm reminded of the Belgian teacher sacked in 2020 for showing images of Muhammad. A similar uproar was witnessed in Belgium. Once info was released it had nothing to do with religion. This fool had shown the pic/cartoon of a man on all fours, naked with the bits dangling, to 10 year olds.
The main issue here is that the word Islam has been mentioned so folk are losing their heads. It's frankly disgraceful.
Also worth noting is that schools have a national curriculum, but RE and PHSE are not national curriculum subjects. These are set by local committees made up of teachers, councillors and community. Parents have an opt out option in these. No one opted out of this lesson for at least 2 years, using those materials.
posted on 30/3/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
posted on 30/3/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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WW2 was about religion and killed 75 million, sure that takes the number higher than 2% deaths
posted on 30/3/21
"To a mainly asian Muslim class"
I fail to see what the religious beliefs of the students has to do with anything. Surely they should be taught the same way any other group of students would be, no matter their religion.
posted on 30/3/21
There is an awful lot of wars over difference of religions and beliefs in here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
posted on 30/3/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 1 minute ago
"To a mainly asian Muslim class"
I fail to see what the religious beliefs of the students has to do with anything. Surely they should be taught the same way any other group of students would be, no matter their religion.
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Is that what you took from that?
The quote was your boys blowing off our boys legs.
posted on 30/3/21
Well obviously there is more to the conversation than what has been shared.
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comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
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comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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WW2 was about religion and killed 75 million, sure that takes the number higher than 2% deaths
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WW2 wasn't about religion. The biggest casualties were Russian and Chinese, you know those bastian's of religion
People always try and dress things up to suit.
Was Ireland about catholic and protestant or unionist and nationalist?
posted on 30/3/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 2 minutes ago
Well obviously there is more to the conversation than what has been shared.
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Which is what I tried to share in the first few posts, if you look back.
Instead we have anti religious rhetoric and bits of islamophobia thrown in.
Tbf you shouldn't even believe my account, why not wait until more info is released?
posted on 30/3/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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That’s total bollx - you give any statistic you like - there were more deaths in the Bible alone than the whole of WW1 and WW2 combined
Religion is responsible and the cause of more deaths to humankind than anything else throughout the whole of human history - FACT!
posted on 30/3/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well obviously there is more to the conversation than what has been shared.
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All you have said is there was more than 1 teacher involved, the teacher is a cant and he should have behaved differently because the students were asian muslims.
posted on 30/3/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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That’s total bollx - you give any statistic you like - there were more deaths in the Bible alone than the whole of WW1 and WW2 combined
Religion is responsible and the cause of more deaths to humankind than anything else throughout the whole of human history - FACT!
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It's not bollox at all. You seemmronhave a personal vendetta against religion and if that works for you fine.
Plenty of research has gone into these things and the "factual" picture isn't the same as quotes by Dawkins and the like with an axe to grind.
See for example institute for economics and peace and the encyclopedia of wars (where I got the initial stats from)
Thems.facts
posted on 30/3/21
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well obviously there is more to the conversation than what has been shared.
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All you have said is there was more than 1 teacher involved, the teacher is a cant and he should have behaved differently because the students were asian muslims.
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Suggests you read it again I clearly quoted what he is said to have said.
"Your boys blowing our boys legs off" to a mainly asian Muslim class.
posted on 30/3/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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That’s total bollx - you give any statistic you like - there were more deaths in the Bible alone than the whole of WW1 and WW2 combined
Religion is responsible and the cause of more deaths to humankind than anything else throughout the whole of human history - FACT!
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It's not bollox at all. You seemmronhave a personal vendetta against religion and if that works for you fine.
Plenty of research has gone into these things and the "factual" picture isn't the same as quotes by Dawkins and the like with an axe to grind.
See for example institute for economics and peace and the encyclopedia of wars (where I got the initial stats from)
Thems.facts
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I’ve been involved in my fair share or Religious activities and have read enough Theology over the past 40 odd years to know where I get my information and facts from
And yes, I have an issue with ‘Religion’ I’ve seen enough news and first hand accounts of the damage it does - Religion is nothing more than a man made cult to control, abuse and dictate others
posted on 30/3/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hulk - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
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WW2 was about religion and killed 75 million, sure that takes the number higher than 2% deaths
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WW2 wasn't about religion. The biggest casualties were Russian and Chinese, you know those bastian's of religion
People always try and dress things up to suit.
Was Ireland about catholic and protestant or unionist and nationalist?
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I think you find those labels are pretty much inseparable and are a big factors in conflict. Saying the holocaust had nothing to do with religion is a bit cutting corners in my opinion. WW2 was definitely about religion, as well as other factors.
We can argue all day long about religion and wars, but religion plays a big part in war/conflict one way or an other.
For example the Iraq/ISIS war isnt classified as a religious war, religious elements are overtly present but variously described as fundamentalism or religious extremism. But to me and many others it is a religious war, or a war with a religious background.
posted on 30/3/21
The irony is that there are some things that are more sacred in this country than any religion.
The right for all children to be given a fair and balanced education being one. Our laws and diverse society being others.
All religion comes second to this and should remain a
personal view of the individual.
Right now there are some people from one particular religion challenging these freedoms and finding it difficult to accept putting their faith second to a secular society that allows them to freely practice their faith without impinging on others.
Included within that group of people letting down their religion are leaders from that religion who should know better than to encourage intimidation and violence.
A continuation of such negative religious conduct is only going to end badly for them. Start preaching the diverse values that this country stands for to these misguided individuals instead of joining them, and their religion may then be viewed more positively in a secular society.
posted on 30/3/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
‘Religion’ is single handedly responsible and the cause of more wars, deaths and murders in the entire history of humankind
Says it all really
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That's been proven to be incorrect.
Ww1 wasn't about religion and killed more people than the crusades, inquisition etc put together.
I'm sure someone did a report said religion has caused less than 7% of wars and less than 2% of deaths
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That’s total bollx - you give any statistic you like - there were more deaths in the Bible alone than the whole of WW1 and WW2 combined
Religion is responsible and the cause of more deaths to humankind than anything else throughout the whole of human history - FACT!
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It's not bollox at all. You seemmronhave a personal vendetta against religion and if that works for you fine.
Plenty of research has gone into these things and the "factual" picture isn't the same as quotes by Dawkins and the like with an axe to grind.
See for example institute for economics and peace and the encyclopedia of wars (where I got the initial stats from)
Thems.facts
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I’ve been involved in my fair share or Religious activities and have read enough Theology over the past 40 odd years to know where I get my information and facts from
And yes, I have an issue with ‘Religion’ I’ve seen enough news and first hand accounts of the damage it does - Religion is nothing more than a man made cult to control, abuse and dictate others
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I'm still involved in religion so I know where I get my information and facts from too. I love religion and see the good it does in terms of cohesion and happiness.
Humans have been known to abuse and dictate to others from time immemorial, religion or not. The cult of Hitchens, Dawkins and even Gervais are no different.
posted on 30/3/21
People will try and dress it up any way they can to justify ‘their Religion’
But at the end of the day, you only have to watch the news to see what Religion has done across the world
And and be blunt, Islamic extremist are some of the worst - they justify their barbaric and inhumane actions of torture and murder because their Holy Book directs them too
I mean, what civilised society would half bury a woman in the ground then throw rocks at her until she’s dead
Or be-head another human being with a blunt blade?
Or tie a belt of explosives around a child and make them walk in to the middle of a market place before detonating it
I mean seriously, in the 21st Century, this still happens today - it’s just plain sick
posted on 30/3/21
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 30 seconds ago
The irony is that there are some things that are more sacred in this country than any religion.
The right for all children to be given a fair and balanced education being one. Our laws and diverse society being others.
All religion comes second to this and should remain a
personal view of the individual.
Right now there are some people from one particular religion challenging these freedoms and finding it difficult to accept putting their faith second to a secular society that allows them to freely practice their faith without impinging on others.
Included within that group of people letting down their religion are leaders from that religion who should know better than to encourage intimidation and violence.
A continuation of such negative religious conduct is only going to end badly for them. Start preaching the diverse values that this country stands for to these misguided individuals instead of joining them, and their religion may then be viewed more positively in a secular society.
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If you read "our laws" then they take these things into consideration. So many RE guidelines specifically state that when discussing sensitive it shocking subjects (something that must be done) it does not necessitate the showing of shocking pictures.
Teachers by law have to be neutral and can ask questions and tease out topics but cannot instill their own opinions or offend for the sake of it.
Strangely enough the notion of secularismmin it's simplist form is seoerationnof church and state. In school curriculums this is exactly what happens, hence you have the national curriculum and the religious syllabus, 70% of which has to be Christianity based as that is the main religion of the country
posted on 30/3/21
comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 4 minutes ago
The irony is that there are some things that are more sacred in this country than any religion.
The right for all children to be given a fair and balanced education being one. Our laws and diverse society being others.
All religion comes second to this and should remain a
personal view of the individual.
Right now there are some people from one particular religion challenging these freedoms and finding it difficult to accept putting their faith second to a secular society that allows them to freely practice their faith without impinging on others.
Included within that group of people letting down their religion are leaders from that religion who should know better than to encourage intimidation and violence.
A continuation of such negative religious conduct is only going to end badly for them. Start preaching the diverse values that this country stands for to these misguided individuals instead of joining them, and their religion may then be viewed more positively in a secular society.
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Good comment
posted on 30/3/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 2 minutes ago
People will try and dress it up any way they can to justify ‘their Religion’
But at the end of the day, you only have to watch the news to see what Religion has done across the world
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Maybe you give religion too much credit. It's not really religion that does these things, but people. With or without religion, humans are prone to bloodshed.
posted on 30/3/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 18 seconds ago
People will try and dress it up any way they can to justify ‘their Religion’
But at the end of the day, you only have to watch the news to see what Religion has done across the world
And and be blunt, Islamic extremist are some of the worst - they justify their barbaric and inhumane actions of torture and murder because their Holy Book directs them too
I mean, what civilised society would half bury a woman in the ground then throw rocks at her until she’s dead
Or be-head another human being with a blunt blade?
Or tie a belt of explosives around a child and make them walk in to the middle of a market place before detonating it
I mean seriously, in the 21st Century, this still happens today - it’s just plain sick
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So you can't argue with my facts and resort to anti Islamic rhetoric?
Suicide bombings were always associated with nationalistic causes from the first one in Russia to today.
posted on 30/3/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 2 minutes ago
People will try and dress it up any way they can to justify ‘their Religion’
But at the end of the day, you only have to watch the news to see what Religion has done across the world
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Maybe you give religion too much credit. It's not really religion that does these things, but people. With or without religion, humans are prone to bloodshed.
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That was my initial point.
It's also how we dress things up. So for example we must all loathe suicide killings. However if you study WW1 the the notion of over the top was in essence suicide too. Hundreds and thousands of going men sent to their certain death by the blowing of a whistle. And even though we now know it was wrong information Emily pankhurst was a martyr for killing herself for a cause when I was a kid
The black widows of Russia, the Tamil tigers, the Tokkotai attacks etc all suicide tactics in war
posted on 30/3/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 2 minutes ago
People will try and dress it up any way they can to justify ‘their Religion’
But at the end of the day, you only have to watch the news to see what Religion has done across the world
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Maybe you give religion too much credit. It's not really religion that does these things, but people. With or without religion, humans are prone to bloodshed.
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Fair point, but Religion is the cover they use in order to justify such a sick mindset
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