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I had never heard of the guy, which for sums up the situation - we have a white guy who died in similar circumstances and it barely makes any news whatsoever
Yet, when the same thing happens to a blank person, there’s so much outrage, the entire world almost comes to a halt
BLM.org, the media and other sh!t-stirrers have created this monster and blown it totally out of proportion
It was a total tragedy what happened to GF, but the hysteria and outrage surrounding his death has been taken to a ridiculous degree - I mean we even still have the entire footballing ‘taking the knee’ in dome pathetic gimmick, trying to make us believe that because they do such a thing, they’re obviously supporting all forms of anti-racism - pathetic!
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What’s pathetic about it exactly?
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It’s nothing more than a media driven gimmick to appease the wolves and snowflakes of the world - and also to give organisations such as BLM more fuel and reason to create their agenda of extremism and conflict
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Yeah, that isn’t at all what it’s about
Maybe go and read what the players (overwhelmingly in support) and the PFA have to say about it.
Surveys have also shown that football fans are in favour of the players continuing to show their support for the fight against racial discrimination by taking a knee.
I assume then that you believe the majority of football fans to be ‘wokes’ and ‘snowflakes’.
I though ‘snowflake’ was a term used to describe people who are overly-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing positions?
Are you not a little over-exercised about the players continuing to express their opinions?
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As I say, it’s nothing for than a gimmick - it’s means absolutely nothing and makes no difference whatsoever to the anti racism cause except to give more support to an extremist organisation
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Whatever you say fella.
The overwhelming majority of players and a majority of fans who hold an opinion on the matter do agree with you.
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Hehe thanks
Although not sure you meant that
comment by Just Shoot, now a Marxist (U10408)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not sure of the US equivalent, but whatever gross negligence manslaughter is, is what I think he committed.
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You the GF case?
Yeah that’s the second degree manslaughter charge. Culpable negligence causing death. I think this is still very, very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
I actually now think he’ll be convicted of 2nd degree manslaughter, there will be riots because he wasn’t convicted of murder, but he will then win on appeal later. Might get a hung jury now which would also be followed by riots.
Basically anything other than the toughest charge being upheld, RIOTS
If he were sent to the chair, the likes of BLM would still encourage riots and outage for it being too lenient and insisting racism
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 26 seconds ago
If he were sent to the chair, the likes of BLM would still encourage riots and outage for it being too lenient and insisting racism
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Shut up.
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
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He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO
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I’d happily bet that this won’t happen.
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 4 hours, 15 minutes ago
If he were sent to the chair, the likes of BLM would still encourage riots and outage for it being too lenient and insisting racism
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I can't understand how anyone thinks BLM are a positive movement. Literally their only aim is to create division.
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
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From the evidence submitted, and witness testimony to date, I would not be so sure.
To date, the experts brought forward by the defence have floundered under cross examination by the prosecution. And the video footage - which the defence for obvious reasons have not relied on, is fairly damning.
As I mentioned the other day, when it was pointed out to Chauvin, that Floyd had no pulse, his response was "leave him there." Which are not the words of someone remotely concerned for the well being of their suspect. Witnesses can also be heard screaming at the police (pleading for them to assist) as Floyd lay motionless.
Which leads me to believe the charge of third-degree murder may be the one he is found guilty of, (Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for human life).
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
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From the evidence submitted, and witness testimony to date, I would not be so sure.
To date, the experts brought forward by the defence have floundered under cross examination by the prosecution. And the video footage - which the defence for obvious reasons have not relied on, is fairly damning.
As I mentioned the other day, when it was pointed out to Chauvin, that Floyd had no pulse, his response was "leave him there." Which are not the words of someone remotely concerned for the well being of their suspect. Witnesses can also be heard screaming at the police (pleading for them to assist) as Floyd lay motionless.
Which leads me to believe the charge of third-degree murder may be the one he is found guilty of, (Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for human life).
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Yes I agree - the prosecution have shot them selves in the door going for an extreme charge of in the first instance going for 1st degree murder, then dropping it to 2nd degree murder
The defence only have to show a small amount of doubt and it’ll be thrown out
I believe he’ll get 3rd degree murder charge against him - but that will still result in riots and division and violence as that is the only agenda the likes of BLM are really bothered about
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
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comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
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From the evidence submitted, and witness testimony to date, I would not be so sure.
To date, the experts brought forward by the defence have floundered under cross examination by the prosecution. And the video footage - which the defence for obvious reasons have not relied on, is fairly damning.
As I mentioned the other day, when it was pointed out to Chauvin, that Floyd had no pulse, his response was "leave him there." Which are not the words of someone remotely concerned for the well being of their suspect. Witnesses can also be heard screaming at the police (pleading for them to assist) as Floyd lay motionless.
Which leads me to believe the charge of third-degree murder may be the one he is found guilty of, (Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for human life).
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Nah mate, I share the same opinion as Freedom. It was actually thrown out in October but brought back in. Best example is recklessly shooting into a group of people and one of them dying. Or like the Breanna Taylor example if one of those cops that were spraying everywhere had killed one of her neighbours then he would be done for 3rd degree murder. Cannot see that happening.
Also on the witnesses whilst the prosecution crosses may have been effective so were the defence’s of the prosecution witnesses and the onus is on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Manslaughter and then lost on appeal
Or hung jury
There’s way too much in here for there not to be a reasonable doubt. The Mercil cross examination alone for me causes reasonable doubt.
Rev
I understand it is normal (in these types of cases) for the prosecution to bring multiple charges, as it gives the jury more scope, and a greater chance of the prosecution getting a conviction on one of them.
I don't believe there is a hierarchy of charges. And all three Chavin is charged of are completely separate.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
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From the evidence submitted, and witness testimony to date, I would not be so sure.
To date, the experts brought forward by the defence have floundered under cross examination by the prosecution. And the video footage - which the defence for obvious reasons have not relied on, is fairly damning.
As I mentioned the other day, when it was pointed out to Chauvin, that Floyd had no pulse, his response was "leave him there." Which are not the words of someone remotely concerned for the well being of their suspect. Witnesses can also be heard screaming at the police (pleading for them to assist) as Floyd lay motionless.
Which leads me to believe the charge of third-degree murder may be the one he is found guilty of, (Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for human life).
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Nah mate, I share the same opinion as Freedom. It was actually thrown out in October but brought back in. Best example is recklessly shooting into a group of people and one of them dying. Or like the Breanna Taylor example if one of those cops that were spraying everywhere had killed one of her neighbours then he would be done for 3rd degree murder. Cannot see that happening.
Also on the witnesses whilst the prosecution crosses may have been effective so were the defence’s of the prosecution witnesses and the onus is on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Manslaughter and then lost on appeal
Or hung jury
There’s way too much in here for there not to be a reasonable doubt. The Mercil cross examination alone for me causes reasonable doubt.
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Ultimately depends on the Jury (9 women, 6 men) but going by the available evidence, if it were a judge making the determination there's not a chance of Chauvin being acquitted.
That said the US judicial system isn't exactly renowned for its proficiency!
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
Rev
I understand it is normal (in these types of cases) for the prosecution to bring multiple charges, as it gives the jury more scope, and a greater chance of the prosecution getting a conviction on one of them.
I don't believe there is a hierarchy of charges. And all three Chavin is charged of are completely separate.
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Yep, I agree, but bringing in multiple charges, I believe can cause confusion for the jury, and in pressure Poe situations like this one is, they’ll tend to rely on the side of caution and go for the lesser charge
If the guy get acquitted on all 3 charges, it’d be absolutely scandalous, but I also think the prosecution will struggle getting the 2nd degree murder charge to stick
Hence why I think it’ll be 3rd degree murder or 2nd degree manslaughter
I’m just pleased it’s not happening here in the UK
Although I fully expect the repercussions of the lesser sentence to overflow into this Country too
Expect violence and lawlessness on the streets of the UK to be happening here soon
He wi be found guilty of something. Probably the middle charge.
They’ll need to be a complete agreement in the jury - the judge may ask for a 11/1 majority anything less than that and it’ll be a hung jury and a possible re-trial
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 4 hours, 15 minutes ago
If he were sent to the chair, the likes of BLM would still encourage riots and outage for it being too lenient and insisting racism
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I can't understand how anyone thinks BLM are a positive movement. Literally their only aim is to create division.
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At least they can buy multiple $1.5m homes in the whitest area of LA now. #progress
If you listen to any of the activists' podcasts, for example: Burn it Down with Kim Brown, you would've thought this was a reverse Klan meeting
Breaking news:
Derek Chauvin has decided to plead the 5th amendment and not testify
This will be a very interesting stance as how the prosecution l or the defence cannot ask him anything
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
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From the evidence submitted, and witness testimony to date, I would not be so sure.
To date, the experts brought forward by the defence have floundered under cross examination by the prosecution. And the video footage - which the defence for obvious reasons have not relied on, is fairly damning.
As I mentioned the other day, when it was pointed out to Chauvin, that Floyd had no pulse, his response was "leave him there." Which are not the words of someone remotely concerned for the well being of their suspect. Witnesses can also be heard screaming at the police (pleading for them to assist) as Floyd lay motionless.
Which leads me to believe the charge of third-degree murder may be the one he is found guilty of, (Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for human life).
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Nah mate, I share the same opinion as Freedom. It was actually thrown out in October but brought back in. Best example is recklessly shooting into a group of people and one of them dying. Or like the Breanna Taylor example if one of those cops that were spraying everywhere had killed one of her neighbours then he would be done for 3rd degree murder. Cannot see that happening.
Also on the witnesses whilst the prosecution crosses may have been effective so were the defence’s of the prosecution witnesses and the onus is on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Manslaughter and then lost on appeal
Or hung jury
There’s way too much in here for there not to be a reasonable doubt. The Mercil cross examination alone for me causes reasonable doubt.
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Ultimately depends on the Jury (9 women, 6 men) but going by the available evidence, if it were a judge making the determination there's not a chance of Chauvin being acquitted.
That said the US judicial system isn't exactly renowned for its proficiency!
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I’m not sure how you can be so confident with that. Is this without the beyond a reasonable doubt condition?
Thanks for responding @Sat Nav. I was about to type up my rebuttal but essentially it's what you wrote
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 32 minutes ago
Thanks for responding @Sat Nav. I was about to type up my rebuttal but essentially it's what you wrote
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Yeah it’s the multiple people vs one person factor I believe, no idea why it was brought back in.
The judge has been a bit weird with a few things so I think an appeal will be interesting if required.
Not surprised DC took the fifth, the drug dealer also did and one has to wonder why the prosecution didn’t grant him immunity to testify.
Yeah I don't understand why he threw out the 3rd degree charge only to reinstate it again. I don't want to assume but it does seem like he's giving the prosecution a longer leash.
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 7 minutes ago
Yeah I don't understand why he threw out the 3rd degree charge only to reinstate it again. I don't want to assume but it does seem like he's giving the prosecution a longer leash.
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I had never heard of the guy, which for sums up the situation - we have a white guy who died in similar circumstances and it barely makes any news whatsoever
Yet, when the same thing happens to a blank person, there’s so much outrage, the entire world almost comes to a halt
BLM.org, the media and other sh!t-stirrers have created this monster and blown it totally out of proportion
It was a total tragedy what happened to GF, but the hysteria and outrage surrounding his death has been taken to a ridiculous degree - I mean we even still have the entire footballing ‘taking the knee’ in dome pathetic gimmick, trying to make us believe that because they do such a thing, they’re obviously supporting all forms of anti-racism - pathetic!
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What’s pathetic about it exactly?
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It’s nothing more than a media driven gimmick to appease the wolves and snowflakes of the world - and also to give organisations such as BLM more fuel and reason to create their agenda of extremism and conflict
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Yeah, that isn’t at all what it’s about
Maybe go and read what the players (overwhelmingly in support) and the PFA have to say about it.
Surveys have also shown that football fans are in favour of the players continuing to show their support for the fight against racial discrimination by taking a knee.
I assume then that you believe the majority of football fans to be ‘wokes’ and ‘snowflakes’.
I though ‘snowflake’ was a term used to describe people who are overly-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing positions?
Are you not a little over-exercised about the players continuing to express their opinions?
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As I say, it’s nothing for than a gimmick - it’s means absolutely nothing and makes no difference whatsoever to the anti racism cause except to give more support to an extremist organisation
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Whatever you say fella.
The overwhelming majority of players and a majority of fans who hold an opinion on the matter do agree with you.
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Hehe thanks
Although not sure you meant that
posted on 15/4/21
comment by Just Shoot, now a Marxist (U10408)
posted 4 minutes ago
Not sure of the US equivalent, but whatever gross negligence manslaughter is, is what I think he committed.
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You the GF case?
Yeah that’s the second degree manslaughter charge. Culpable negligence causing death. I think this is still very, very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
I actually now think he’ll be convicted of 2nd degree manslaughter, there will be riots because he wasn’t convicted of murder, but he will then win on appeal later. Might get a hung jury now which would also be followed by riots.
Basically anything other than the toughest charge being upheld, RIOTS
posted on 15/4/21
If he were sent to the chair, the likes of BLM would still encourage riots and outage for it being too lenient and insisting racism
posted on 15/4/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 26 seconds ago
If he were sent to the chair, the likes of BLM would still encourage riots and outage for it being too lenient and insisting racism
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Shut up.
posted on 15/4/21
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
posted on 15/4/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 5 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO
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I’d happily bet that this won’t happen.
posted on 15/4/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
posted on 15/4/21
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 4 hours, 15 minutes ago
If he were sent to the chair, the likes of BLM would still encourage riots and outage for it being too lenient and insisting racism
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I can't understand how anyone thinks BLM are a positive movement. Literally their only aim is to create division.
posted on 15/4/21
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
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From the evidence submitted, and witness testimony to date, I would not be so sure.
To date, the experts brought forward by the defence have floundered under cross examination by the prosecution. And the video footage - which the defence for obvious reasons have not relied on, is fairly damning.
As I mentioned the other day, when it was pointed out to Chauvin, that Floyd had no pulse, his response was "leave him there." Which are not the words of someone remotely concerned for the well being of their suspect. Witnesses can also be heard screaming at the police (pleading for them to assist) as Floyd lay motionless.
Which leads me to believe the charge of third-degree murder may be the one he is found guilty of, (Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for human life).
posted on 15/4/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
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From the evidence submitted, and witness testimony to date, I would not be so sure.
To date, the experts brought forward by the defence have floundered under cross examination by the prosecution. And the video footage - which the defence for obvious reasons have not relied on, is fairly damning.
As I mentioned the other day, when it was pointed out to Chauvin, that Floyd had no pulse, his response was "leave him there." Which are not the words of someone remotely concerned for the well being of their suspect. Witnesses can also be heard screaming at the police (pleading for them to assist) as Floyd lay motionless.
Which leads me to believe the charge of third-degree murder may be the one he is found guilty of, (Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for human life).
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Yes I agree - the prosecution have shot them selves in the door going for an extreme charge of in the first instance going for 1st degree murder, then dropping it to 2nd degree murder
The defence only have to show a small amount of doubt and it’ll be thrown out
I believe he’ll get 3rd degree murder charge against him - but that will still result in riots and division and violence as that is the only agenda the likes of BLM are really bothered about
posted on 15/4/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
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From the evidence submitted, and witness testimony to date, I would not be so sure.
To date, the experts brought forward by the defence have floundered under cross examination by the prosecution. And the video footage - which the defence for obvious reasons have not relied on, is fairly damning.
As I mentioned the other day, when it was pointed out to Chauvin, that Floyd had no pulse, his response was "leave him there." Which are not the words of someone remotely concerned for the well being of their suspect. Witnesses can also be heard screaming at the police (pleading for them to assist) as Floyd lay motionless.
Which leads me to believe the charge of third-degree murder may be the one he is found guilty of, (Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for human life).
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Nah mate, I share the same opinion as Freedom. It was actually thrown out in October but brought back in. Best example is recklessly shooting into a group of people and one of them dying. Or like the Breanna Taylor example if one of those cops that were spraying everywhere had killed one of her neighbours then he would be done for 3rd degree murder. Cannot see that happening.
Also on the witnesses whilst the prosecution crosses may have been effective so were the defence’s of the prosecution witnesses and the onus is on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Manslaughter and then lost on appeal
Or hung jury
There’s way too much in here for there not to be a reasonable doubt. The Mercil cross examination alone for me causes reasonable doubt.
posted on 15/4/21
Rev
I understand it is normal (in these types of cases) for the prosecution to bring multiple charges, as it gives the jury more scope, and a greater chance of the prosecution getting a conviction on one of them.
I don't believe there is a hierarchy of charges. And all three Chavin is charged of are completely separate.
posted on 15/4/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
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From the evidence submitted, and witness testimony to date, I would not be so sure.
To date, the experts brought forward by the defence have floundered under cross examination by the prosecution. And the video footage - which the defence for obvious reasons have not relied on, is fairly damning.
As I mentioned the other day, when it was pointed out to Chauvin, that Floyd had no pulse, his response was "leave him there." Which are not the words of someone remotely concerned for the well being of their suspect. Witnesses can also be heard screaming at the police (pleading for them to assist) as Floyd lay motionless.
Which leads me to believe the charge of third-degree murder may be the one he is found guilty of, (Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for human life).
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Nah mate, I share the same opinion as Freedom. It was actually thrown out in October but brought back in. Best example is recklessly shooting into a group of people and one of them dying. Or like the Breanna Taylor example if one of those cops that were spraying everywhere had killed one of her neighbours then he would be done for 3rd degree murder. Cannot see that happening.
Also on the witnesses whilst the prosecution crosses may have been effective so were the defence’s of the prosecution witnesses and the onus is on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Manslaughter and then lost on appeal
Or hung jury
There’s way too much in here for there not to be a reasonable doubt. The Mercil cross examination alone for me causes reasonable doubt.
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Ultimately depends on the Jury (9 women, 6 men) but going by the available evidence, if it were a judge making the determination there's not a chance of Chauvin being acquitted.
That said the US judicial system isn't exactly renowned for its proficiency!
posted on 15/4/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
Rev
I understand it is normal (in these types of cases) for the prosecution to bring multiple charges, as it gives the jury more scope, and a greater chance of the prosecution getting a conviction on one of them.
I don't believe there is a hierarchy of charges. And all three Chavin is charged of are completely separate.
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Yep, I agree, but bringing in multiple charges, I believe can cause confusion for the jury, and in pressure Poe situations like this one is, they’ll tend to rely on the side of caution and go for the lesser charge
If the guy get acquitted on all 3 charges, it’d be absolutely scandalous, but I also think the prosecution will struggle getting the 2nd degree murder charge to stick
Hence why I think it’ll be 3rd degree murder or 2nd degree manslaughter
I’m just pleased it’s not happening here in the UK
Although I fully expect the repercussions of the lesser sentence to overflow into this Country too
Expect violence and lawlessness on the streets of the UK to be happening here soon
posted on 15/4/21
He wi be found guilty of something. Probably the middle charge.
posted on 15/4/21
They’ll need to be a complete agreement in the jury - the judge may ask for a 11/1 majority anything less than that and it’ll be a hung jury and a possible re-trial
posted on 15/4/21
comment by Cinciwolf---A top 20 brand in world football (U11551)
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 4 hours, 15 minutes ago
If he were sent to the chair, the likes of BLM would still encourage riots and outage for it being too lenient and insisting racism
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I can't understand how anyone thinks BLM are a positive movement. Literally their only aim is to create division.
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At least they can buy multiple $1.5m homes in the whitest area of LA now. #progress
If you listen to any of the activists' podcasts, for example: Burn it Down with Kim Brown, you would've thought this was a reverse Klan meeting
posted on 15/4/21
Breaking news:
Derek Chauvin has decided to plead the 5th amendment and not testify
This will be a very interesting stance as how the prosecution l or the defence cannot ask him anything
posted on 15/4/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Percy Pig aficionado (U3126)
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comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
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comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
He’ll be convicted in 3rd degree murder IMO and he’ll serve between 10-20 years
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Not a chance. His actions doesn't constitute as a 3rd degree murder in legal terms.
It's going to be a manslaughter of some sort or acquittal.
Either way, Minneapolis is going to burn to the ground and we let BLM profit off of this
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From the evidence submitted, and witness testimony to date, I would not be so sure.
To date, the experts brought forward by the defence have floundered under cross examination by the prosecution. And the video footage - which the defence for obvious reasons have not relied on, is fairly damning.
As I mentioned the other day, when it was pointed out to Chauvin, that Floyd had no pulse, his response was "leave him there." Which are not the words of someone remotely concerned for the well being of their suspect. Witnesses can also be heard screaming at the police (pleading for them to assist) as Floyd lay motionless.
Which leads me to believe the charge of third-degree murder may be the one he is found guilty of, (Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for human life).
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Nah mate, I share the same opinion as Freedom. It was actually thrown out in October but brought back in. Best example is recklessly shooting into a group of people and one of them dying. Or like the Breanna Taylor example if one of those cops that were spraying everywhere had killed one of her neighbours then he would be done for 3rd degree murder. Cannot see that happening.
Also on the witnesses whilst the prosecution crosses may have been effective so were the defence’s of the prosecution witnesses and the onus is on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Manslaughter and then lost on appeal
Or hung jury
There’s way too much in here for there not to be a reasonable doubt. The Mercil cross examination alone for me causes reasonable doubt.
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Ultimately depends on the Jury (9 women, 6 men) but going by the available evidence, if it were a judge making the determination there's not a chance of Chauvin being acquitted.
That said the US judicial system isn't exactly renowned for its proficiency!
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I’m not sure how you can be so confident with that. Is this without the beyond a reasonable doubt condition?
posted on 15/4/21
Thanks for responding @Sat Nav. I was about to type up my rebuttal but essentially it's what you wrote
posted on 15/4/21
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 32 minutes ago
Thanks for responding @Sat Nav. I was about to type up my rebuttal but essentially it's what you wrote
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Yeah it’s the multiple people vs one person factor I believe, no idea why it was brought back in.
The judge has been a bit weird with a few things so I think an appeal will be interesting if required.
Not surprised DC took the fifth, the drug dealer also did and one has to wonder why the prosecution didn’t grant him immunity to testify.
posted on 15/4/21
Yeah I don't understand why he threw out the 3rd degree charge only to reinstate it again. I don't want to assume but it does seem like he's giving the prosecution a longer leash.
posted on 15/4/21
comment by Freedom FC (Diamond Hands) (U7214)
posted 7 minutes ago
Yeah I don't understand why he threw out the 3rd degree charge only to reinstate it again. I don't want to assume but it does seem like he's giving the prosecution a longer leash.
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The first decision was appealed by prosecutors. Judge was told to review decision in light of recent appeals court rulings. Defence then tried to take it to Minnesota Supreme Court, but the court decided not to hear the case.
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