comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
The only reason there's any kind of fanfare around taking the knee is because of the knuckledraggers that boo it. Within sport, it was supposed to be there to take a moment to make people reflect on the issues that are obviously there. No one should be forced to partake in any particular action if they don't want to, and some people do go too far the other way (X isn't kneeling, therefore racist). On the whole though, as long as people feel they should be protesting, they should continue to do so, else, stop. No organisation or group should be compelling people one way or the other.
People not being educated enough to understand where that gesture came from is entirely the problem (particularly in America), it may have co-opted by BLM (who, as an organisation, honestly, I don't know enough about to have a meaningful opinion) but the core point behind it is the same.
I don't understand the booing of your team (who in England's case is like, half black players) for it, but then 2 minutes later be cheering them on. Knuckledragging cvnts without any ability to critically think, the lot of em.
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So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 29 seconds ago
what is ironic is if you actually look online, a good percentage of all racial abuse actually comes from black people anyway.
angry africans are by far the worst
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Congratulations for winning ‘most ignorant comment of 2021’ 👏
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how is it ignorant.. ive seen it Robb.. its not ignorant if its a fact
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Is it a ‘fact’ that ‘angry Africans’ are the worst?
Please provide proof.
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 29 seconds ago
what is ironic is if you actually look online, a good percentage of all racial abuse actually comes from black people anyway.
angry africans are by far the worst
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Congratulations for winning ‘most ignorant comment of 2021’ 👏
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how is it ignorant.. ive seen it Robb.. its not ignorant if its a fact
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Is it a ‘fact’ that ‘angry Africans’ are the worst?
Please provide proof.
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use your own eyes mate, youve got to be blind not to see it
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
The only reason there's any kind of fanfare around taking the knee is because of the knuckledraggers that boo it. Within sport, it was supposed to be there to take a moment to make people reflect on the issues that are obviously there. No one should be forced to partake in any particular action if they don't want to, and some people do go too far the other way (X isn't kneeling, therefore racist). On the whole though, as long as people feel they should be protesting, they should continue to do so, else, stop. No organisation or group should be compelling people one way or the other.
People not being educated enough to understand where that gesture came from is entirely the problem (particularly in America), it may have co-opted by BLM (who, as an organisation, honestly, I don't know enough about to have a meaningful opinion) but the core point behind it is the same.
I don't understand the booing of your team (who in England's case is like, half black players) for it, but then 2 minutes later be cheering them on. Knuckledragging cvnts without any ability to critically think, the lot of em.
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So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
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Grown men who boo their own players even after those same players have explained why they’re kneeling are knuckle draggers. No one’s asking the fans to sing anti racism songs or even do anything really. Just respect what the players themselves are asking for and let them kneel with respect.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausage Monster (U3126)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
I’d suggest the snowflakes here are the ones booing their own players because they don’t like the way in which they’ve chosen to make their statement about the floods of racist abuse they face every working day of their lives.
Booing your own players is just weird, to be honest.
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I wonder if they'll start to throw rotten fruit and veg at the players if it continues.
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Nobody is demanding that fans actively cheer the protest. Nobody is being forced to give a standing ovation.
If you don’t like the chosen gesture (weird, IMO, but whatever) because you believe it has otherwise political connotations, stay the fack sat down, and keep your trap shut.
I’m just amazed that:
1) People who claim to be non-racist are choosing to boo what is - expressly - a peaceful statement of defiance against racism being made by individuals who suffer racist abuse on a daily basis and their teammates and friends.
2) That those same people claim to be England fans, in the stadium to support their team
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 29 seconds ago
what is ironic is if you actually look online, a good percentage of all racial abuse actually comes from black people anyway.
angry africans are by far the worst
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Congratulations for winning ‘most ignorant comment of 2021’ 👏
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how is it ignorant.. ive seen it Robb.. its not ignorant if its a fact
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Is it a ‘fact’ that ‘angry Africans’ are the worst?
Please provide proof.
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use your own eyes mate, youve got to be blind not to see it
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To be fair they are nutters proper funny reading though, I remember commenting one thing on a Chelsea post on Twitter and about 83 of them followed me and about 22 messaged me saying UP THE BLUES haha quality stuff
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 15 seconds ago
South side
“ We haven't got the same culture as the Yanks.”
I hate to break this to you but the two have been intertwined for many years now, be it music, film, politics (special relationship anyone?), food etc etc
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We may share the same interests. As do many cultures in the Western world and beyond.
Politically, I disagree.
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Ok we’re not linked politically. Who did you go to war as allies with in the last 15-20 years?
Who do we see as our greatest ally? Who are we desperately trying to trade with after leaving the EU?
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 43 minutes ago
The players can hold hands, do a little dance whatever they like to fight racism but taking the knee is linked to a devisive political movement no matter what anyone says and should stop.
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comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING FOOTBALLS COMING HOME (U12980)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 29 seconds ago
what is ironic is if you actually look online, a good percentage of all racial abuse actually comes from black people anyway.
angry africans are by far the worst
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Congratulations for winning ‘most ignorant comment of 2021’ 👏
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how is it ignorant.. ive seen it Robb.. its not ignorant if its a fact
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Is it a ‘fact’ that ‘angry Africans’ are the worst?
Please provide proof.
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use your own eyes mate, youve got to be blind not to see it
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To be fair they are nutters proper funny reading though, I remember commenting one thing on a Chelsea post on Twitter and about 83 of them followed me and about 22 messaged me saying UP THE BLUES haha quality stuff
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they really are.... some of the stuff ive seen on facebook is really quite bad
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 9 minutes ago
what is ironic is if you actually look online, a good percentage of all racial abuse actually comes from black people anyway.
angry africans are by far the worst
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A good percentage? How high a percentage?
So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
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Yes, if their method of disagreement is booing. There are better ways to make your feelings known. Also, as I said it should be down to the individual actor to decide whether or not they want to kneel. I disagree that the FA, or FIFA, or UEFA should be making that call.
I don't believe that the boos in the main are people targeting the politicization of the sport. Race in particular has been a significant hurdle that the sport has failed to get over for decades. We've all seen the 'good' that the kick it out campaign has done. Very little has changed in the last 10 years or so that it's been running, and in fact it's got worse (with online abuse being reported after every poor performance). I think that calling them knuckledraggers is kind, if anything.
comment by The Arteta, The (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 43 minutes ago
The players can hold hands, do a little dance whatever they like to fight racism but taking the knee is linked to a devisive political movement no matter what anyone says and should stop.
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It is currently linked to a divisive political movement. It's been a symbol of peaceful protest since the 60s.
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
The only reason there's any kind of fanfare around taking the knee is because of the knuckledraggers that boo it. Within sport, it was supposed to be there to take a moment to make people reflect on the issues that are obviously there. No one should be forced to partake in any particular action if they don't want to, and some people do go too far the other way (X isn't kneeling, therefore racist). On the whole though, as long as people feel they should be protesting, they should continue to do so, else, stop. No organisation or group should be compelling people one way or the other.
People not being educated enough to understand where that gesture came from is entirely the problem (particularly in America), it may have co-opted by BLM (who, as an organisation, honestly, I don't know enough about to have a meaningful opinion) but the core point behind it is the same.
I don't understand the booing of your team (who in England's case is like, half black players) for it, but then 2 minutes later be cheering them on. Knuckledragging cvnts without any ability to critically think, the lot of em.
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So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
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Grown men who boo their own players even after those same players have explained why they’re kneeling are knuckle draggers. No one’s asking the fans to sing anti racism songs or even do anything really. Just respect what the players themselves are asking for and let them kneel with respect.
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And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.
Its clearly divisive. There's no sign of the players stopping other than Zaha and Brentford so the fans are making their view known.
Of course BLM is a divisive political movement. It’s supposed to be. It’s combating the very concept that institutional racism doesn’t exist when there is so much evidence that it does. Funnily enough, people don’t like being told that the very foundations on which their society is built is unfairly balanced towards one set of people. So let it be divisive and hopefully enough people wake up to the idea that something needs to change to help people who would be left to suffer if the people who are ignorant to the realities of the world are allowed to meander into apathy.
It’s not as if the players and England manager have come out and clarified why they are protesting. They’ve made it clear it’s not a political statement, it’s an anti racism in the game statement. But this doesn’t matter because some have made their minds up for the players, and themselves, and they aren’t happy about what the players are(n’t) protesting about.
When the manager, and the players - almost to a facking man - have made it excruciatingly clear that:
- “this is not a political campaign”
- “the reason why [they] have chosen to kneel is nothing to do with politics”, and
- “this stance is about racism, about people being treated the right way and respectfully, and not based on the colour of their skin”
then anyone still arguing that the players are bringing politics into football or supporting the BLM organisation can fairly be described as a knuckle-dragger, as they appear not to be able to understand very clear and straightforward statements.
And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.
Its clearly divisive. There's no sign of the players stopping other than Zaha and Brentford so the fans are making their view known.
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It's the players' protest. Honestly, it's pretty irrelevant whether the fans agree or disagree with it if it's a personal protest.
Some players may disagree with its effectiveness, or may be deciding to stop if they feel like it's being forced - but it should be entirely their decision.
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
The only reason there's any kind of fanfare around taking the knee is because of the knuckledraggers that boo it. Within sport, it was supposed to be there to take a moment to make people reflect on the issues that are obviously there. No one should be forced to partake in any particular action if they don't want to, and some people do go too far the other way (X isn't kneeling, therefore racist). On the whole though, as long as people feel they should be protesting, they should continue to do so, else, stop. No organisation or group should be compelling people one way or the other.
People not being educated enough to understand where that gesture came from is entirely the problem (particularly in America), it may have co-opted by BLM (who, as an organisation, honestly, I don't know enough about to have a meaningful opinion) but the core point behind it is the same.
I don't understand the booing of your team (who in England's case is like, half black players) for it, but then 2 minutes later be cheering them on. Knuckledragging cvnts without any ability to critically think, the lot of em.
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So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
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Grown men who boo their own players even after those same players have explained why they’re kneeling are knuckle draggers. No one’s asking the fans to sing anti racism songs or even do anything really. Just respect what the players themselves are asking for and let them kneel with respect.
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And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.
Its clearly divisive. There's no sign of the players stopping other than Zaha and Brentford so the fans are making their view known.
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why boo though?
No ones asking the fans to sign up to a BLM re-education course. Just that they give the players the benefit of the doubt and let them do what they want to do. I respect Zaha for his decision and wouldn’t boo him. Grown men booing their own players before a game is just petty and ignorant.
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 5 seconds ago
Of course BLM is a divisive political movement. It’s supposed to be. It’s combating the very concept that institutional racism doesn’t exist when there is so much evidence that it does. Funnily enough, people don’t like being told that the very foundations on which their society is built is unfairly balanced towards one set of people. So let it be divisive and hopefully enough people wake up to the idea that something needs to change to help people who would be left to suffer if the people who are ignorant to the realities of the world are allowed to meander into apathy.
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Just a happy co-incident that the founders are all trained marxists and have set BLM goals that align with a Marxist approach of undermining the West then.
“ And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.“
It’s great you speaking for the nation and everything however it’s the minority who boo supposed understanding not the nation.
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
The only reason there's any kind of fanfare around taking the knee is because of the knuckledraggers that boo it. Within sport, it was supposed to be there to take a moment to make people reflect on the issues that are obviously there. No one should be forced to partake in any particular action if they don't want to, and some people do go too far the other way (X isn't kneeling, therefore racist). On the whole though, as long as people feel they should be protesting, they should continue to do so, else, stop. No organisation or group should be compelling people one way or the other.
People not being educated enough to understand where that gesture came from is entirely the problem (particularly in America), it may have co-opted by BLM (who, as an organisation, honestly, I don't know enough about to have a meaningful opinion) but the core point behind it is the same.
I don't understand the booing of your team (who in England's case is like, half black players) for it, but then 2 minutes later be cheering them on. Knuckledragging cvnts without any ability to critically think, the lot of em.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
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Grown men who boo their own players even after those same players have explained why they’re kneeling are knuckle draggers. No one’s asking the fans to sing anti racism songs or even do anything really. Just respect what the players themselves are asking for and let them kneel with respect.
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And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.
Its clearly divisive. There's no sign of the players stopping other than Zaha and Brentford so the fans are making their view known.
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why boo though?
No ones asking the fans to sign up to a BLM re-education course. Just that they give the players the benefit of the doubt and let them do what they want to do. I respect Zaha for his decision and wouldn’t boo him. Grown men booing their own players before a game is just petty and ignorant.
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How else do they express themselves? The fans don't have the platform the players have
For the record, I neither agree nor disagree with the action. Something does need to be done to address the root problems, but I'm not nearly qualified enough to figure out needs to be done on a larger scale.
So basically, the people that are being racially abused should only be doing gestures that the racial abusers think is acceptable or not 'divisive'?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 15 seconds ago
South side
“ We haven't got the same culture as the Yanks.”
I hate to break this to you but the two have been intertwined for many years now, be it music, film, politics (special relationship anyone?), food etc etc
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We may share the same interests. As do many cultures in the Western world and beyond.
Politically, I disagree.
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Ok we’re not linked politically. Who did you go to war as allies with in the last 15-20 years?
Who do we see as our greatest ally? Who are we desperately trying to trade with after leaving the EU?
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You will never convince me that we on the same page with American policy and the way they see the world. We're not stupid, of course we're not going to leave ourselves open.
As a culture and they way they view politics we are completely different.
It's a battle to keep it that way. Identity politics, populism etc. That's not really what we're about.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 32 seconds ago
“ And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.“
It’s great you speaking for the nation and everything however it’s the minority who boo supposed understanding not the nation.
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comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
The only reason there's any kind of fanfare around taking the knee is because of the knuckledraggers that boo it. Within sport, it was supposed to be there to take a moment to make people reflect on the issues that are obviously there. No one should be forced to partake in any particular action if they don't want to, and some people do go too far the other way (X isn't kneeling, therefore racist). On the whole though, as long as people feel they should be protesting, they should continue to do so, else, stop. No organisation or group should be compelling people one way or the other.
People not being educated enough to understand where that gesture came from is entirely the problem (particularly in America), it may have co-opted by BLM (who, as an organisation, honestly, I don't know enough about to have a meaningful opinion) but the core point behind it is the same.
I don't understand the booing of your team (who in England's case is like, half black players) for it, but then 2 minutes later be cheering them on. Knuckledragging cvnts without any ability to critically think, the lot of em.
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So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 29 seconds ago
what is ironic is if you actually look online, a good percentage of all racial abuse actually comes from black people anyway.
angry africans are by far the worst
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Congratulations for winning ‘most ignorant comment of 2021’ 👏
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how is it ignorant.. ive seen it Robb.. its not ignorant if its a fact
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Is it a ‘fact’ that ‘angry Africans’ are the worst?
Please provide proof.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 29 seconds ago
what is ironic is if you actually look online, a good percentage of all racial abuse actually comes from black people anyway.
angry africans are by far the worst
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Congratulations for winning ‘most ignorant comment of 2021’ 👏
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how is it ignorant.. ive seen it Robb.. its not ignorant if its a fact
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Is it a ‘fact’ that ‘angry Africans’ are the worst?
Please provide proof.
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use your own eyes mate, youve got to be blind not to see it
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
The only reason there's any kind of fanfare around taking the knee is because of the knuckledraggers that boo it. Within sport, it was supposed to be there to take a moment to make people reflect on the issues that are obviously there. No one should be forced to partake in any particular action if they don't want to, and some people do go too far the other way (X isn't kneeling, therefore racist). On the whole though, as long as people feel they should be protesting, they should continue to do so, else, stop. No organisation or group should be compelling people one way or the other.
People not being educated enough to understand where that gesture came from is entirely the problem (particularly in America), it may have co-opted by BLM (who, as an organisation, honestly, I don't know enough about to have a meaningful opinion) but the core point behind it is the same.
I don't understand the booing of your team (who in England's case is like, half black players) for it, but then 2 minutes later be cheering them on. Knuckledragging cvnts without any ability to critically think, the lot of em.
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So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
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Grown men who boo their own players even after those same players have explained why they’re kneeling are knuckle draggers. No one’s asking the fans to sing anti racism songs or even do anything really. Just respect what the players themselves are asking for and let them kneel with respect.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? High King Sausage Monster (U3126)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by rosso - time to #takefootballback (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
I’d suggest the snowflakes here are the ones booing their own players because they don’t like the way in which they’ve chosen to make their statement about the floods of racist abuse they face every working day of their lives.
Booing your own players is just weird, to be honest.
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I wonder if they'll start to throw rotten fruit and veg at the players if it continues.
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Nobody is demanding that fans actively cheer the protest. Nobody is being forced to give a standing ovation.
If you don’t like the chosen gesture (weird, IMO, but whatever) because you believe it has otherwise political connotations, stay the fack sat down, and keep your trap shut.
I’m just amazed that:
1) People who claim to be non-racist are choosing to boo what is - expressly - a peaceful statement of defiance against racism being made by individuals who suffer racist abuse on a daily basis and their teammates and friends.
2) That those same people claim to be England fans, in the stadium to support their team
posted on 11/6/21
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 29 seconds ago
what is ironic is if you actually look online, a good percentage of all racial abuse actually comes from black people anyway.
angry africans are by far the worst
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Congratulations for winning ‘most ignorant comment of 2021’ 👏
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how is it ignorant.. ive seen it Robb.. its not ignorant if its a fact
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Is it a ‘fact’ that ‘angry Africans’ are the worst?
Please provide proof.
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use your own eyes mate, youve got to be blind not to see it
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To be fair they are nutters proper funny reading though, I remember commenting one thing on a Chelsea post on Twitter and about 83 of them followed me and about 22 messaged me saying UP THE BLUES haha quality stuff
posted on 11/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 15 seconds ago
South side
“ We haven't got the same culture as the Yanks.”
I hate to break this to you but the two have been intertwined for many years now, be it music, film, politics (special relationship anyone?), food etc etc
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We may share the same interests. As do many cultures in the Western world and beyond.
Politically, I disagree.
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Ok we’re not linked politically. Who did you go to war as allies with in the last 15-20 years?
Who do we see as our greatest ally? Who are we desperately trying to trade with after leaving the EU?
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 43 minutes ago
The players can hold hands, do a little dance whatever they like to fight racism but taking the knee is linked to a devisive political movement no matter what anyone says and should stop.
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posted on 11/6/21
comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING HOME ITS COMING FOOTBALLS COMING HOME (U12980)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 29 seconds ago
what is ironic is if you actually look online, a good percentage of all racial abuse actually comes from black people anyway.
angry africans are by far the worst
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Congratulations for winning ‘most ignorant comment of 2021’ 👏
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how is it ignorant.. ive seen it Robb.. its not ignorant if its a fact
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Is it a ‘fact’ that ‘angry Africans’ are the worst?
Please provide proof.
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use your own eyes mate, youve got to be blind not to see it
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To be fair they are nutters proper funny reading though, I remember commenting one thing on a Chelsea post on Twitter and about 83 of them followed me and about 22 messaged me saying UP THE BLUES haha quality stuff
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they really are.... some of the stuff ive seen on facebook is really quite bad
posted on 11/6/21
comment by plain old dunc (U11713)
posted 9 minutes ago
what is ironic is if you actually look online, a good percentage of all racial abuse actually comes from black people anyway.
angry africans are by far the worst
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A good percentage? How high a percentage?
posted on 11/6/21
So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
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Yes, if their method of disagreement is booing. There are better ways to make your feelings known. Also, as I said it should be down to the individual actor to decide whether or not they want to kneel. I disagree that the FA, or FIFA, or UEFA should be making that call.
I don't believe that the boos in the main are people targeting the politicization of the sport. Race in particular has been a significant hurdle that the sport has failed to get over for decades. We've all seen the 'good' that the kick it out campaign has done. Very little has changed in the last 10 years or so that it's been running, and in fact it's got worse (with online abuse being reported after every poor performance). I think that calling them knuckledraggers is kind, if anything.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by The Arteta, The (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 43 minutes ago
The players can hold hands, do a little dance whatever they like to fight racism but taking the knee is linked to a devisive political movement no matter what anyone says and should stop.
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It is currently linked to a divisive political movement. It's been a symbol of peaceful protest since the 60s.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
The only reason there's any kind of fanfare around taking the knee is because of the knuckledraggers that boo it. Within sport, it was supposed to be there to take a moment to make people reflect on the issues that are obviously there. No one should be forced to partake in any particular action if they don't want to, and some people do go too far the other way (X isn't kneeling, therefore racist). On the whole though, as long as people feel they should be protesting, they should continue to do so, else, stop. No organisation or group should be compelling people one way or the other.
People not being educated enough to understand where that gesture came from is entirely the problem (particularly in America), it may have co-opted by BLM (who, as an organisation, honestly, I don't know enough about to have a meaningful opinion) but the core point behind it is the same.
I don't understand the booing of your team (who in England's case is like, half black players) for it, but then 2 minutes later be cheering them on. Knuckledragging cvnts without any ability to critically think, the lot of em.
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So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
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Grown men who boo their own players even after those same players have explained why they’re kneeling are knuckle draggers. No one’s asking the fans to sing anti racism songs or even do anything really. Just respect what the players themselves are asking for and let them kneel with respect.
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And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.
Its clearly divisive. There's no sign of the players stopping other than Zaha and Brentford so the fans are making their view known.
posted on 11/6/21
Of course BLM is a divisive political movement. It’s supposed to be. It’s combating the very concept that institutional racism doesn’t exist when there is so much evidence that it does. Funnily enough, people don’t like being told that the very foundations on which their society is built is unfairly balanced towards one set of people. So let it be divisive and hopefully enough people wake up to the idea that something needs to change to help people who would be left to suffer if the people who are ignorant to the realities of the world are allowed to meander into apathy.
posted on 11/6/21
It’s not as if the players and England manager have come out and clarified why they are protesting. They’ve made it clear it’s not a political statement, it’s an anti racism in the game statement. But this doesn’t matter because some have made their minds up for the players, and themselves, and they aren’t happy about what the players are(n’t) protesting about.
posted on 11/6/21
When the manager, and the players - almost to a facking man - have made it excruciatingly clear that:
- “this is not a political campaign”
- “the reason why [they] have chosen to kneel is nothing to do with politics”, and
- “this stance is about racism, about people being treated the right way and respectfully, and not based on the colour of their skin”
then anyone still arguing that the players are bringing politics into football or supporting the BLM organisation can fairly be described as a knuckle-dragger, as they appear not to be able to understand very clear and straightforward statements.
posted on 11/6/21
And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.
Its clearly divisive. There's no sign of the players stopping other than Zaha and Brentford so the fans are making their view known.
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It's the players' protest. Honestly, it's pretty irrelevant whether the fans agree or disagree with it if it's a personal protest.
Some players may disagree with its effectiveness, or may be deciding to stop if they feel like it's being forced - but it should be entirely their decision.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
The only reason there's any kind of fanfare around taking the knee is because of the knuckledraggers that boo it. Within sport, it was supposed to be there to take a moment to make people reflect on the issues that are obviously there. No one should be forced to partake in any particular action if they don't want to, and some people do go too far the other way (X isn't kneeling, therefore racist). On the whole though, as long as people feel they should be protesting, they should continue to do so, else, stop. No organisation or group should be compelling people one way or the other.
People not being educated enough to understand where that gesture came from is entirely the problem (particularly in America), it may have co-opted by BLM (who, as an organisation, honestly, I don't know enough about to have a meaningful opinion) but the core point behind it is the same.
I don't understand the booing of your team (who in England's case is like, half black players) for it, but then 2 minutes later be cheering them on. Knuckledragging cvnts without any ability to critically think, the lot of em.
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So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
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Grown men who boo their own players even after those same players have explained why they’re kneeling are knuckle draggers. No one’s asking the fans to sing anti racism songs or even do anything really. Just respect what the players themselves are asking for and let them kneel with respect.
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And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.
Its clearly divisive. There's no sign of the players stopping other than Zaha and Brentford so the fans are making their view known.
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why boo though?
No ones asking the fans to sign up to a BLM re-education course. Just that they give the players the benefit of the doubt and let them do what they want to do. I respect Zaha for his decision and wouldn’t boo him. Grown men booing their own players before a game is just petty and ignorant.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 5 seconds ago
Of course BLM is a divisive political movement. It’s supposed to be. It’s combating the very concept that institutional racism doesn’t exist when there is so much evidence that it does. Funnily enough, people don’t like being told that the very foundations on which their society is built is unfairly balanced towards one set of people. So let it be divisive and hopefully enough people wake up to the idea that something needs to change to help people who would be left to suffer if the people who are ignorant to the realities of the world are allowed to meander into apathy.
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Just a happy co-incident that the founders are all trained marxists and have set BLM goals that align with a Marxist approach of undermining the West then.
posted on 11/6/21
“ And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.“
It’s great you speaking for the nation and everything however it’s the minority who boo supposed understanding not the nation.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Legacy Fan and proud (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
The only reason there's any kind of fanfare around taking the knee is because of the knuckledraggers that boo it. Within sport, it was supposed to be there to take a moment to make people reflect on the issues that are obviously there. No one should be forced to partake in any particular action if they don't want to, and some people do go too far the other way (X isn't kneeling, therefore racist). On the whole though, as long as people feel they should be protesting, they should continue to do so, else, stop. No organisation or group should be compelling people one way or the other.
People not being educated enough to understand where that gesture came from is entirely the problem (particularly in America), it may have co-opted by BLM (who, as an organisation, honestly, I don't know enough about to have a meaningful opinion) but the core point behind it is the same.
I don't understand the booing of your team (who in England's case is like, half black players) for it, but then 2 minutes later be cheering them on. Knuckledragging cvnts without any ability to critically think, the lot of em.
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So the customers who clearly aren't happy about the politicisation of sport should just keep quiet?
They are perfectly entitled to let their feelings be known on the matter, calling them knuckle draggers is pretty pathetic.
I keep banging on about it but if the players were linking arms and showing the Kick it Out logo those same fans would not be booing.
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Grown men who boo their own players even after those same players have explained why they’re kneeling are knuckle draggers. No one’s asking the fans to sing anti racism songs or even do anything really. Just respect what the players themselves are asking for and let them kneel with respect.
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And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.
Its clearly divisive. There's no sign of the players stopping other than Zaha and Brentford so the fans are making their view known.
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why boo though?
No ones asking the fans to sign up to a BLM re-education course. Just that they give the players the benefit of the doubt and let them do what they want to do. I respect Zaha for his decision and wouldn’t boo him. Grown men booing their own players before a game is just petty and ignorant.
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How else do they express themselves? The fans don't have the platform the players have
posted on 11/6/21
For the record, I neither agree nor disagree with the action. Something does need to be done to address the root problems, but I'm not nearly qualified enough to figure out needs to be done on a larger scale.
posted on 11/6/21
So basically, the people that are being racially abused should only be doing gestures that the racial abusers think is acceptable or not 'divisive'?
posted on 11/6/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 15 seconds ago
South side
“ We haven't got the same culture as the Yanks.”
I hate to break this to you but the two have been intertwined for many years now, be it music, film, politics (special relationship anyone?), food etc etc
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We may share the same interests. As do many cultures in the Western world and beyond.
Politically, I disagree.
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Ok we’re not linked politically. Who did you go to war as allies with in the last 15-20 years?
Who do we see as our greatest ally? Who are we desperately trying to trade with after leaving the EU?
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You will never convince me that we on the same page with American policy and the way they see the world. We're not stupid, of course we're not going to leave ourselves open.
As a culture and they way they view politics we are completely different.
It's a battle to keep it that way. Identity politics, populism etc. That's not really what we're about.
posted on 11/6/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 32 seconds ago
“ And the supporters groups and others have made it clear why the fans disagree with the gesture. Just because thats the player's understanding of the gesture doesn't make it the nation's understanding of it.“
It’s great you speaking for the nation and everything however it’s the minority who boo supposed understanding not the nation.
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How do you know?
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