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posted on 9/9/21

RDD

The last 24hrs has proved that you are a complete r3tard

posted on 9/9/21

Sticks and stones petal

Ole didnt bring in a team of coaches for the youth teams as Elvis claimed.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 8 hours, 43 minutes ago
Ole didnt bring a team of coaches in to work with the youth teams as you claimed.
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Some were within the club already and promoted/given more prominent roles, some were brought in. The result is the same in that Ole restructured the U23s setup. If you want to play your typical game of being the pedant over the words 'brought in' then crack on.

There are several articles from different media outlets/journos (with links to the club) from that time talking about how Ole was putting more focus on youth and how he restructured the U23 setup, as well as his first team coaches. How he (and the club) were looking at creating a better pathway from the youth through to the first team. There are numerous quotes from Butt et al about how they are looking forwards to working WITH Ole to brong through the youth players. There is info on how he moved the U23 offices to allow better communication.

On top of that, take a look at the youth players that we have brought in for comparatively big fees since Ole took over. Players that we won't benefit from for a few years. Do you think Jose would have been encouraging those kinds of deals? I can't see it. Yet Ole is all for it because he sees the bigger picture and is happy for the work that he does now to benefit the club for years to come, rather than the years that he is/might be in charge.

There is no doubt in my mind that Ole has made positive changes to the U23s which we are starting to reap the rewards of. As always, it is of course a team effort. But without Ole's belief in youth and long term approach, I don't think that things would be looking as positive as they are with the youngsters.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/21

The Guardian's Manchester football correspondent discussed how Ole has reordered his frost team and U23s coaching team - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/14/solskjaer-manchester-united-backroom-staff-success-pogba-first-team-under-23

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/21

Butt said his promotion marked a ‘proud moment’ for him.

“I am passionate about nurturing, developing and coaching the talent we have here to become top players at this club,” he added, in the official announcement.

“Under Ole’s leadership, our vision will ensure that we continue to provide the right environment for our young players to thrive in.”
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Notice how Butt mentions that we will continue to provide the right environment under Ole's LEADERSHIP? As in, he will be involved in the U23s?

posted on 9/9/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 50 minutes ago
Sticks and stones petal

Ole didnt bring in a team of coaches for the youth teams as Elvis claimed.
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Seriously mate. Considering your outburst in your departing announcement thread yesterday you need to take a rest from here. It is seriously making you ill.

I hope Admins are taking note and do the decent thing.

posted on 9/9/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 16 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 18 minutes ago
Because you were talking about youth development?

Often we don't even disagree. There's just a communication breakdown aided by some of you trying to point score against posters with unpopular opinions. I suppose it makes you feel better, but it's not very constructive.
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Yes. And I suggested that focus on/development of youth setup is something that Ole could be evaluated on. Nothing to do with Murtough. The communication breakdown comes from you not reading what people actually post. I actually posted about how the youth development is a team effort and you responded to me telling me that Ole doesn't have full control and that it is a team effort. You repeated what I'd said to you as though we'd disagreed and then made up a narrative about how I give Ole the credit for everything. Simply because you don't read or comprehend what has been said.
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No, no, no.

What basically happened is Wood and Fortune were appointed u23 coaches by the club, probably after Ole suggested it. Although both were already known to the club.

Yet instead of just saying that, you and the other members of your gang wrote paragraphs insisting Ole is involved with youth despite no one saying otherwise.

posted on 9/9/21

comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 50 minutes ago
Sticks and stones petal

Ole didnt bring in a team of coaches for the youth teams as Elvis claimed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seriously mate. Considering your outburst in your departing announcement thread yesterday you need to take a rest from here. It is seriously making you ill.

I hope Admins are taking note and do the decent thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Outburst, Departing announcement, I’ll?

I think you you need to to take a step back. Nobody was leaving and nobody is ill, I was simply calling out some of the idiots and clarifying my position on a few things.

Ole did not appoint the U23 and academy staff as Elvis claimed.

You can go read everything and give an opinion, or do one. I’m not particularly bothered either way.

posted on 9/9/21

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 16 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 18 minutes ago
Because you were talking about youth development?

Often we don't even disagree. There's just a communication breakdown aided by some of you trying to point score against posters with unpopular opinions. I suppose it makes you feel better, but it's not very constructive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. And I suggested that focus on/development of youth setup is something that Ole could be evaluated on. Nothing to do with Murtough. The communication breakdown comes from you not reading what people actually post. I actually posted about how the youth development is a team effort and you responded to me telling me that Ole doesn't have full control and that it is a team effort. You repeated what I'd said to you as though we'd disagreed and then made up a narrative about how I give Ole the credit for everything. Simply because you don't read or comprehend what has been said.
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No, no, no.

What basically happened is Wood and Fortune were appointed u23 coaches by the club, probably after Ole suggested it. Although both were already known to the club.

Yet instead of just saying that, you and the other members of your gang wrote paragraphs insisting Ole is involved with youth despite no one saying otherwise.
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Ole brought in a team of staff for the youth teams, Elvis said.

Ole didn’t.

posted on 9/9/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 50 minutes ago
Sticks and stones petal

Ole didnt bring in a team of coaches for the youth teams as Elvis claimed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seriously mate. Considering your outburst in your departing announcement thread yesterday you need to take a rest from here. It is seriously making you ill.

I hope Admins are taking note and do the decent thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Outburst, Departing announcement, I’ll?

I think you you need to to take a step back. Nobody was leaving and nobody is ill, I was simply calling out some of the idiots and clarifying my position on a few things.

Ole did not appoint the U23 and academy staff as Elvis claimed.

You can go read everything and give an opinion, or do one. I’m not particularly bothered either way.


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The 'geniuses' on here took your I'm off to bed article as a leaving article. Not the brightest bunch.

posted on 9/9/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 16 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 18 minutes ago
Because you were talking about youth development?

Often we don't even disagree. There's just a communication breakdown aided by some of you trying to point score against posters with unpopular opinions. I suppose it makes you feel better, but it's not very constructive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. And I suggested that focus on/development of youth setup is something that Ole could be evaluated on. Nothing to do with Murtough. The communication breakdown comes from you not reading what people actually post. I actually posted about how the youth development is a team effort and you responded to me telling me that Ole doesn't have full control and that it is a team effort. You repeated what I'd said to you as though we'd disagreed and then made up a narrative about how I give Ole the credit for everything. Simply because you don't read or comprehend what has been said.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, no, no.

What basically happened is Wood and Fortune were appointed u23 coaches by the club, probably after Ole suggested it. Although both were already known to the club.

Yet instead of just saying that, you and the other members of your gang wrote paragraphs insisting Ole is involved with youth despite no one saying otherwise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Ole brought in a team of staff for the youth teams, Elvis said.

Ole didn’t.
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I can't keep up with what he says anymore.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/21

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 16 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 18 minutes ago
Because you were talking about youth development?

Often we don't even disagree. There's just a communication breakdown aided by some of you trying to point score against posters with unpopular opinions. I suppose it makes you feel better, but it's not very constructive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. And I suggested that focus on/development of youth setup is something that Ole could be evaluated on. Nothing to do with Murtough. The communication breakdown comes from you not reading what people actually post. I actually posted about how the youth development is a team effort and you responded to me telling me that Ole doesn't have full control and that it is a team effort. You repeated what I'd said to you as though we'd disagreed and then made up a narrative about how I give Ole the credit for everything. Simply because you don't read or comprehend what has been said.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, no, no.

What basically happened is Wood and Fortune were appointed u23 coaches by the club, probably after Ole suggested it. Although both were already known to the club.

Yet instead of just saying that, you and the other members of your gang wrote paragraphs insisting Ole is involved with youth despite no one saying otherwise.
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What? RDD questioned Ole's involvement with the youth. As he has done several times before on other threads. You really need to learn to read properly.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 50 minutes ago
Sticks and stones petal

Ole didnt bring in a team of coaches for the youth teams as Elvis claimed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seriously mate. Considering your outburst in your departing announcement thread yesterday you need to take a rest from here. It is seriously making you ill.

I hope Admins are taking note and do the decent thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Outburst, Departing announcement, I’ll?

I think you you need to to take a step back. Nobody was leaving and nobody is ill, I was simply calling out some of the idiots and clarifying my position on a few things.

Ole did not appoint the U23 and academy staff as Elvis claimed.

You can go read everything and give an opinion, or do one. I’m not particularly bothered either way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't believe that I ever mentioned the academy staff. I am pretty sure that I stated that he had brought in his own team for the U23s and first team. His restructuring in these two areas is well documented.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/21

comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 16 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 18 minutes ago
Because you were talking about youth development?

Often we don't even disagree. There's just a communication breakdown aided by some of you trying to point score against posters with unpopular opinions. I suppose it makes you feel better, but it's not very constructive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. And I suggested that focus on/development of youth setup is something that Ole could be evaluated on. Nothing to do with Murtough. The communication breakdown comes from you not reading what people actually post. I actually posted about how the youth development is a team effort and you responded to me telling me that Ole doesn't have full control and that it is a team effort. You repeated what I'd said to you as though we'd disagreed and then made up a narrative about how I give Ole the credit for everything. Simply because you don't read or comprehend what has been said.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, no, no.

What basically happened is Wood and Fortune were appointed u23 coaches by the club, probably after Ole suggested it. Although both were already known to the club.

Yet instead of just saying that, you and the other members of your gang wrote paragraphs insisting Ole is involved with youth despite no one saying otherwise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Ole brought in a team of staff for the youth teams, Elvis said.

Ole didn’t.
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I can't keep up with what he says anymore.
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That's because you can't read properly.

posted on 9/9/21

I called BS on your claim that Ole brought in a team of staff for the academy and reserves, and you can’t bring yourself to admit you are wrong.

posted on 9/9/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 50 minutes ago
Sticks and stones petal

Ole didnt bring in a team of coaches for the youth teams as Elvis claimed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seriously mate. Considering your outburst in your departing announcement thread yesterday you need to take a rest from here. It is seriously making you ill.

I hope Admins are taking note and do the decent thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Outburst, Departing announcement, I’ll?

I think you you need to to take a step back. Nobody was leaving and nobody is ill, I was simply calling out some of the idiots and clarifying my position on a few things.

Ole did not appoint the U23 and academy staff as Elvis claimed.

You can go read everything and give an opinion, or do one. I’m not particularly bothered either way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't believe that I ever mentioned the academy staff. I am pretty sure that I stated that he had brought in his own team for the U23s and first team. His restructuring in these two areas is well documented.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You said youth players.

There jas been many appointments / restructuring, ut it isnlazy to cresit Ole with this. Why on earth would the first team manager be responsible for appointing academy and u23 staff?

What if Ole goes. Do we sack his coaching teams at every academy and U23 level and lwt the next ma ager appoint his "own team" ?

Of course not.

posted on 9/9/21

posted 2 days, 3 hours ago

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)

One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
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I was talking about the youth setup. He did bring some though but showed a lack of interest in the long term youth setup and developing it further. Which was why we made such a flurry of young signings when he left.
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Nothing to do with Ole though.
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Well, it is, as he brought in his own team that he believed would help to better develop the youth. Jose apparently didn't really give much attention to it.
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Who is this team Ole brought in?

Where did you get this info from?
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Neil Wood
Nicky Butt
Quinton Fortune

I get the information from reading articles and press releases about my club. You should try it.

There are a few other subtler changes that I know he has made, such as moving the youth coach offices so that they are more integral to the first team setup.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 13 minutes ago
I called BS on your claim that Ole brought in a team of staff for the academy and reserves, and you can’t bring yourself to admit you are wrong.
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Still fixating on the words brought in I see? How predictable. I

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 50 minutes ago
Sticks and stones petal

Ole didnt bring in a team of coaches for the youth teams as Elvis claimed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seriously mate. Considering your outburst in your departing announcement thread yesterday you need to take a rest from here. It is seriously making you ill.

I hope Admins are taking note and do the decent thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Outburst, Departing announcement, I’ll?

I think you you need to to take a step back. Nobody was leaving and nobody is ill, I was simply calling out some of the idiots and clarifying my position on a few things.

Ole did not appoint the U23 and academy staff as Elvis claimed.

You can go read everything and give an opinion, or do one. I’m not particularly bothered either way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't believe that I ever mentioned the academy staff. I am pretty sure that I stated that he had brought in his own team for the U23s and first team. His restructuring in these two areas is well documented.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You said youth players.

There jas been many appointments / restructuring, ut it isnlazy to cresit Ole with this. Why on earth would the first team manager be responsible for appointing academy and u23 staff?

What if Ole goes. Do we sack his coaching teams at every academy and U23 level and lwt the next ma ager appoint his "own team" ?

Of course not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He would appoint them/be involved in the process because there was a push to provide a more reliable path from the u23s to the first team. For the u23s coaches and the first team work closer. It's all well documented. Why wouldn't Ole be involved in the process of selecting coaches that he is going to be working with? But of course, it's just coincidence that Fortune, who was assistant U21 manager at Cardiff, was given the role is assistant U23 manager at United right after Ole became permanent manager. Of all the coaches in the world, just coincidence.

posted on 9/9/21

If you hadnt been rude / condescending when talking to me i might not have persisted with it.

Show me something that unequivallly shows that Ole was responaible for identifying and hiring academy and U23 staff and il accept it.

At the moment its all conjecture with nothing but poorly written / lazy pieces.

posted on 9/9/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 50 minutes ago
Sticks and stones petal

Ole didnt bring in a team of coaches for the youth teams as Elvis claimed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seriously mate. Considering your outburst in your departing announcement thread yesterday you need to take a rest from here. It is seriously making you ill.

I hope Admins are taking note and do the decent thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Outburst, Departing announcement, I’ll?

I think you you need to to take a step back. Nobody was leaving and nobody is ill, I was simply calling out some of the idiots and clarifying my position on a few things.

Ole did not appoint the U23 and academy staff as Elvis claimed.

You can go read everything and give an opinion, or do one. I’m not particularly bothered either way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't believe that I ever mentioned the academy staff. I am pretty sure that I stated that he had brought in his own team for the U23s and first team. His restructuring in these two areas is well documented.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You said youth players.

There jas been many appointments / restructuring, ut it isnlazy to cresit Ole with this. Why on earth would the first team manager be responsible for appointing academy and u23 staff?

What if Ole goes. Do we sack his coaching teams at every academy and U23 level and lwt the next ma ager appoint his "own team" ?

Of course not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He would appoint them/be involved in the process because there was a push to provide a more reliable path from the u23s to the first team. For the u23s coaches and the first team work closer. It's all well documented. Why wouldn't Ole be involved in the process of selecting coaches that he is going to be working with? But of course, it's just coincidence that Fortune, who was assistant U21 manager at Cardiff, was given the role is assistant U23 manager at United right after Ole became permanent manager. Of all the coaches in the world, just coincidence.
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Show me something saying Ole hired Fortune.

posted on 9/9/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Always a Legacy (U21434)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 50 minutes ago
Sticks and stones petal

Ole didnt bring in a team of coaches for the youth teams as Elvis claimed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Seriously mate. Considering your outburst in your departing announcement thread yesterday you need to take a rest from here. It is seriously making you ill.

I hope Admins are taking note and do the decent thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Outburst, Departing announcement, I’ll?

I think you you need to to take a step back. Nobody was leaving and nobody is ill, I was simply calling out some of the idiots and clarifying my position on a few things.

Ole did not appoint the U23 and academy staff as Elvis claimed.

You can go read everything and give an opinion, or do one. I’m not particularly bothered either way.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't believe that I ever mentioned the academy staff. I am pretty sure that I stated that he had brought in his own team for the U23s and first team. His restructuring in these two areas is well documented.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You said youth players.

There jas been many appointments / restructuring, ut it isnlazy to cresit Ole with this. Why on earth would the first team manager be responsible for appointing academy and u23 staff?

What if Ole goes. Do we sack his coaching teams at every academy and U23 level and lwt the next ma ager appoint his "own team" ?

Of course not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He would appoint them/be involved in the process because there was a push to provide a more reliable path from the u23s to the first team. For the u23s coaches and the first team work closer. It's all well documented. Why wouldn't Ole be involved in the process of selecting coaches that he is going to be working with? But of course, it's just coincidence that Fortune, who was assistant U21 manager at Cardiff, was given the role is assistant U23 manager at United right after Ole became permanent manager. Of all the coaches in the world, just coincidence.
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Nicky Butt and the head of academy would make those appointments.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 9/9/21

comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 8 minutes ago
If you hadnt been rude / condescending when talking to me i might not have persisted with it.

Show me something that unequivallly shows that Ole was responaible for identifying and hiring academy and U23 staff and il accept it.

At the moment its all conjecture with nothing but poorly written / lazy pieces.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Do you think that it is only at United where the first team coach doesn't have any say over the youth/U23 coaches? Or every team?

posted on 9/9/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 8 minutes ago
If you hadnt been rude / condescending when talking to me i might not have persisted with it.

Show me something that unequivallly shows that Ole was responaible for identifying and hiring academy and U23 staff and il accept it.

At the moment its all conjecture with nothing but poorly written / lazy pieces.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Do you think that it is only at United where the first team coach doesn't have any say over the youth/U23 coaches? Or every team?
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"have a say" or appoint teams of staff?

posted on 9/9/21

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 8 minutes ago
If you hadnt been rude / condescending when talking to me i might not have persisted with it.

Show me something that unequivallly shows that Ole was responaible for identifying and hiring academy and U23 staff and il accept it.

At the moment its all conjecture with nothing but poorly written / lazy pieces.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Do you think that it is only at United where the first team coach doesn't have any say over the youth/U23 coaches? Or every team?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

BTW, be careful, because yesterday, 52 called.me a liar for suggesting Ole was just the first team manager / coach, rather than the more senior role of 'Boss'

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