comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 5 minutes ago
Tactics - 7 - Against the top teams, he has proven that he is able to set the team up in the proper way. Our results against the top teams has significantly improved since he took over, and we've had quite a few special results in that time. Though, obviously there are also some pretty big failings against smaller teams, and particularly in finals & semi finals.
Team selection - 7 - Not much to be said for this - I don't think he really has much choice in the team that he plays most of the time, though it'd be nice to see VDB get more game time. I do absolutely love the amount of youth players getting chances under him though.
Style of play - 5 - Last season we relied heavily on Bruno, and our left wing & it certainly cost us some points not being able to play in a different way. We are one of the best counter attacking teams in the world at the moment, but as soon as we have more of the ball we struggle to break teams down.
Man management - 8 - Treatment of VDB has not been great, but he's handling the GK situation. Competition is good for the team & prevents complacency. I don't know what else people want him to do with the GKs...
Substitutions - Tricky one this. 7 - His substitutions are super frustrating in that they come very late, and often appear to be the wrong subs. Saying that though, I saw some stats last season that basically put Ole's substitutions as amongst the most impactful subs when made. Would be nice to see them earlier, but the boss obviously knows what he's doing, even if it is frustrating.
Team morale - 10 - I haven't seen a United team that seems this happy for many years. To a large degree, he's brought our United back. Hands down this is the best thing he's done for United so far. There seems to be a real buzz around the team.
Achievements - 5 - This has been the most disappointing aspect. There has certainly been progress, and I'm optimistic that the progress will continue. But we've lost too many semi finals & finals. Finishing in the top 4/2nd is all well and good, but you don't get a trophy for that. I wont go as far as to say he has to win one this season, because I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but there's only so far 'improvements' can go.
Overall, I am happy with Ole as manager, I think it's clear to see that we have improved and are improving. Our squad is so much better than it was when he took over, he's bringing in the right kind of players, he's bringing youth through. Genuinely excited to be a United fan at the moment, which isn't something I've been able to say since SAF. His handling of the media, for the most part has been excellent.
If Ole left tomorrow, he's left United in a far, far better place than when he took over. I believe he has shown more than enough to continue as United manager for the foreseeable, and actually he'd have to properly fvck something up to be made to leave.
Obviously there are frustrations, games like Wolves make that evident, but I believe he has earned the time to address things like that.
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Pretty much agree with all of this
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 5 minutes ago
Tactics - 7 - Against the top teams, he has proven that he is able to set the team up in the proper way. Our results against the top teams has significantly improved since he took over, and we've had quite a few special results in that time. Though, obviously there are also some pretty big failings against smaller teams, and particularly in finals & semi finals.
Team selection - 7 - Not much to be said for this - I don't think he really has much choice in the team that he plays most of the time, though it'd be nice to see VDB get more game time. I do absolutely love the amount of youth players getting chances under him though.
Style of play - 5 - Last season we relied heavily on Bruno, and our left wing & it certainly cost us some points not being able to play in a different way. We are one of the best counter attacking teams in the world at the moment, but as soon as we have more of the ball we struggle to break teams down.
Man management - 8 - Treatment of VDB has not been great, but he's handling the GK situation. Competition is good for the team & prevents complacency. I don't know what else people want him to do with the GKs...
Substitutions - Tricky one this. 7 - His substitutions are super frustrating in that they come very late, and often appear to be the wrong subs. Saying that though, I saw some stats last season that basically put Ole's substitutions as amongst the most impactful subs when made. Would be nice to see them earlier, but the boss obviously knows what he's doing, even if it is frustrating.
Team morale - 10 - I haven't seen a United team that seems this happy for many years. To a large degree, he's brought our United back. Hands down this is the best thing he's done for United so far. There seems to be a real buzz around the team.
Achievements - 5 - This has been the most disappointing aspect. There has certainly been progress, and I'm optimistic that the progress will continue. But we've lost too many semi finals & finals. Finishing in the top 4/2nd is all well and good, but you don't get a trophy for that. I wont go as far as to say he has to win one this season, because I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but there's only so far 'improvements' can go.
Overall, I am happy with Ole as manager, I think it's clear to see that we have improved and are improving. Our squad is so much better than it was when he took over, he's bringing in the right kind of players, he's bringing youth through. Genuinely excited to be a United fan at the moment, which isn't something I've been able to say since SAF. His handling of the media, for the most part has been excellent.
If Ole left tomorrow, he's left United in a far, far better place than when he took over. I believe he has shown more than enough to continue as United manager for the foreseeable, and actually he'd have to properly fvck something up to be made to leave.
Obviously there are frustrations, games like Wolves make that evident, but I believe he has earned the time to address things like that.
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Pretty much agree with all of this
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Yep, spot on Jay... A fair assessment that highlights the positives and negatives.
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tactics - 7 - Against the top teams, he has proven that he is able to set the team up in the proper way. Our results against the top teams has significantly improved since he took over, and we've had quite a few special results in that time. Though, obviously there are also some pretty big failings against smaller teams, and particularly in finals & semi finals.
Team selection - 7 - Not much to be said for this - I don't think he really has much choice in the team that he plays most of the time, though it'd be nice to see VDB get more game time. I do absolutely love the amount of youth players getting chances under him though.
Style of play - 5 - Last season we relied heavily on Bruno, and our left wing & it certainly cost us some points not being able to play in a different way. We are one of the best counter attacking teams in the world at the moment, but as soon as we have more of the ball we struggle to break teams down.
Man management - 8 - Treatment of VDB has not been great, but he's handling the GK situation. Competition is good for the team & prevents complacency. I don't know what else people want him to do with the GKs...
Substitutions - Tricky one this. 7 - His substitutions are super frustrating in that they come very late, and often appear to be the wrong subs. Saying that though, I saw some stats last season that basically put Ole's substitutions as amongst the most impactful subs when made. Would be nice to see them earlier, but the boss obviously knows what he's doing, even if it is frustrating.
Team morale - 10 - I haven't seen a United team that seems this happy for many years. To a large degree, he's brought our United back. Hands down this is the best thing he's done for United so far. There seems to be a real buzz around the team.
Achievements - 5 - This has been the most disappointing aspect. There has certainly been progress, and I'm optimistic that the progress will continue. But we've lost too many semi finals & finals. Finishing in the top 4/2nd is all well and good, but you don't get a trophy for that. I wont go as far as to say he has to win one this season, because I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but there's only so far 'improvements' can go.
Overall, I am happy with Ole as manager, I think it's clear to see that we have improved and are improving. Our squad is so much better than it was when he took over, he's bringing in the right kind of players, he's bringing youth through. Genuinely excited to be a United fan at the moment, which isn't something I've been able to say since SAF. His handling of the media, for the most part has been excellent.
If Ole left tomorrow, he's left United in a far, far better place than when he took over. I believe he has shown more than enough to continue as United manager for the foreseeable, and actually he'd have to properly fvck something up to be made to leave.
Obviously there are frustrations, games like Wolves make that evident, but I believe he has earned the time to address things like that.
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I agree with all this, so don't have to type it myself đ
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
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I was talking about the youth setup. He did bring some though but showed a lack of interest in the long term youth setup and developing it further. Which was why we made such a flurry of young signings when he left.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
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I was talking about the youth setup. He did bring some though but showed a lack of interest in the long term youth setup and developing it further. Which was why we made such a flurry of young signings when he left.
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Still wasn't why he was sacked, that was results based. We knew what we were getting into with him—short term results.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
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I was talking about the youth setup. He did bring some though but showed a lack of interest in the long term youth setup and developing it further. Which was why we made such a flurry of young signings when he left.
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Still wasn't why he was sacked, that was results based. We knew what we were getting into with him—short term results.
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I didn't say it was THE reason he was sacked. I said it was one of the reasons he was sacked. It was widely reported at the time that Jose lost his job because of our form, style of play and lack of youth development. Quite a few media outlets ran with these 3 reasons and so I'd guess that there was some kind of briefing/leak from the club.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tactics - 7 - Against the top teams, he has proven that he is able to set the team up in the proper way. Our results against the top teams has significantly improved since he took over, and we've had quite a few special results in that time. Though, obviously there are also some pretty big failings against smaller teams, and particularly in finals & semi finals.
Team selection - 7 - Not much to be said for this - I don't think he really has much choice in the team that he plays most of the time, though it'd be nice to see VDB get more game time. I do absolutely love the amount of youth players getting chances under him though.
Style of play - 5 - Last season we relied heavily on Bruno, and our left wing & it certainly cost us some points not being able to play in a different way. We are one of the best counter attacking teams in the world at the moment, but as soon as we have more of the ball we struggle to break teams down.
Man management - 8 - Treatment of VDB has not been great, but he's handling the GK situation. Competition is good for the team & prevents complacency. I don't know what else people want him to do with the GKs...
Substitutions - Tricky one this. 7 - His substitutions are super frustrating in that they come very late, and often appear to be the wrong subs. Saying that though, I saw some stats last season that basically put Ole's substitutions as amongst the most impactful subs when made. Would be nice to see them earlier, but the boss obviously knows what he's doing, even if it is frustrating.
Team morale - 10 - I haven't seen a United team that seems this happy for many years. To a large degree, he's brought our United back. Hands down this is the best thing he's done for United so far. There seems to be a real buzz around the team.
Achievements - 5 - This has been the most disappointing aspect. There has certainly been progress, and I'm optimistic that the progress will continue. But we've lost too many semi finals & finals. Finishing in the top 4/2nd is all well and good, but you don't get a trophy for that. I wont go as far as to say he has to win one this season, because I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but there's only so far 'improvements' can go.
Overall, I am happy with Ole as manager, I think it's clear to see that we have improved and are improving. Our squad is so much better than it was when he took over, he's bringing in the right kind of players, he's bringing youth through. Genuinely excited to be a United fan at the moment, which isn't something I've been able to say since SAF. His handling of the media, for the most part has been excellent.
If Ole left tomorrow, he's left United in a far, far better place than when he took over. I believe he has shown more than enough to continue as United manager for the foreseeable, and actually he'd have to properly fvck something up to be made to leave.
Obviously there are frustrations, games like Wolves make that evident, but I believe he has earned the time to address things like that.
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I agree with all this, so don't have to type it myself đ
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Bang on. But obviously this will be seen as too pro Ole despite it being as balanced as can be.
Ole.
Greatest manager in the world if he wins us things.
Underachieving PE teacher manager if he doesn't.
I have never seen him manage.
Tactics - 7
Team selection - 6
Style of play - 6
Man management - 9
Substitutions - 7
Team morale - 10
Achievements - 7
Tactics - 10
Team selection - 10
Style of play - 10
Man management - 10
Substitutions - 10
Team morale - 10
Achievements - 10
Wow how good is Ole. Best manager I've seen in fortnights.
My money is on RDD's latest iteration lasting less on this site than Ole will in the United job.
Hear me out - I have a super scientific metric for proving who is the best manager. It's so simple, I can't believe no one else has done it.
How many Ole Gunnar Lolskjaer articles have there been compared to Fraudiola, and Jurgen Flopp? Clearly there have been fewer directed at Ole, which just proves he's the best. Irrefutable.
*Disclaimer - for the purposes of this comment, only managers who have had one of the aforementioned articles written about them at least once are included. Managers who haven't had any of those articles are statistical outlier, and the fact they've had no articles written is not an indication of their ability (including, but not limited to Tuchel, Nuno, Arteta & Rodgers)
To be fair I don't think we can truly rate him until he's come to the 'end point' of his plan. As we don't know when that is it's difficult to fully rate.
At present there's a lot of things I think he's done well but there are some things that worry me too. He's doing a decent job but I'd just like to see decent move up into good very soon.
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ole Ole Ole - The Cult One - CR7 is Home (U18599)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tactics - 7 - Against the top teams, he has proven that he is able to set the team up in the proper way. Our results against the top teams has significantly improved since he took over, and we've had quite a few special results in that time. Though, obviously there are also some pretty big failings against smaller teams, and particularly in finals & semi finals.
Team selection - 7 - Not much to be said for this - I don't think he really has much choice in the team that he plays most of the time, though it'd be nice to see VDB get more game time. I do absolutely love the amount of youth players getting chances under him though.
Style of play - 5 - Last season we relied heavily on Bruno, and our left wing & it certainly cost us some points not being able to play in a different way. We are one of the best counter attacking teams in the world at the moment, but as soon as we have more of the ball we struggle to break teams down.
Man management - 8 - Treatment of VDB has not been great, but he's handling the GK situation. Competition is good for the team & prevents complacency. I don't know what else people want him to do with the GKs...
Substitutions - Tricky one this. 7 - His substitutions are super frustrating in that they come very late, and often appear to be the wrong subs. Saying that though, I saw some stats last season that basically put Ole's substitutions as amongst the most impactful subs when made. Would be nice to see them earlier, but the boss obviously knows what he's doing, even if it is frustrating.
Team morale - 10 - I haven't seen a United team that seems this happy for many years. To a large degree, he's brought our United back. Hands down this is the best thing he's done for United so far. There seems to be a real buzz around the team.
Achievements - 5 - This has been the most disappointing aspect. There has certainly been progress, and I'm optimistic that the progress will continue. But we've lost too many semi finals & finals. Finishing in the top 4/2nd is all well and good, but you don't get a trophy for that. I wont go as far as to say he has to win one this season, because I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but there's only so far 'improvements' can go.
Overall, I am happy with Ole as manager, I think it's clear to see that we have improved and are improving. Our squad is so much better than it was when he took over, he's bringing in the right kind of players, he's bringing youth through. Genuinely excited to be a United fan at the moment, which isn't something I've been able to say since SAF. His handling of the media, for the most part has been excellent.
If Ole left tomorrow, he's left United in a far, far better place than when he took over. I believe he has shown more than enough to continue as United manager for the foreseeable, and actually he'd have to properly fvck something up to be made to leave.
Obviously there are frustrations, games like Wolves make that evident, but I believe he has earned the time to address things like that.
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I agree with all this, so don't have to type it myself đ
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Bang on. But obviously this will be seen as too pro Ole despite it being as balanced as can be.
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I'll third this and say pretty much on the money from my perspective. My only slight tweak might be the Donny thing, when he was speaking to Rio he confirmed that Solskjaer talks to and explains reasons to absentees and he doesn't come across as unhappy with how he's been managed, he wants more game time but I don't thin they mutually exclusive. He seems pretty happy in general and determined to earn a spot, which I'd argue could actually go down as a plus in that column really.
If Donny ends up being an integral part of the team, it could be pretty much down to how he was managed. Not being thrown in when he isn't up to it physically. Our fans aren't very patient and a handful of bad games could see him of the sh!t list. We may look back and think he managed the situation and his integration pretty much bang on. If he's not up to it yet, the responsible thing is to not throw him to the wolves.
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
Man Management - 5. His handling of Pogba has been very good, but his handling of the GK's and Donny has been poor.
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Luke Shaw? From a player most had given up on to the best left back in the country? He openly praises Ole for his management of him
Fred... While still a bit bipolar performance wise... Handled far better than Jose did.
Rashford loves him
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Yep. Good and bad. Im sticking with 5.
What are your scores?
Some strange ratings on here, so let me bring some normality back:
Tactics - 2- sitting back and hitting teams on the break is nothing amazing, especially when you're a big team. In-game management is just poor.
Team selection - 7- plays his strongest team too often. Too defensive.
Style of play - 1- has failed to deliver the entertaining football he promised. We have no style—we can't defend, can't press, can't pass. We just rely on individual brilliance or teams playing too open.
Man management - 7- there's harmony, but favours certain players too much.
Substitutions - 3â likes to make subs to defend a lead, hopeless at making subs to win a game unless a first team player is on the bench.
Team morale - 7- running smoothly so far, but lacks winning mentality.
Achievements -2- won nothing and still not competing with the top teams.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 52 seconds ago
Some strange ratings on here, so let me bring some normality back:
Tactics - 2- sitting back and hitting teams on the break is nothing amazing, especially when you're a big team. In-game management is just poor.
Team selection - 7- plays his strongest team too often. Too defensive.
Style of play - 1- has failed to deliver the entertaining football he promised. We have no style—we can't defend, can't press, can't pass. We just rely on individual brilliance or teams playing too open.
Man management - 7- there's harmony, but favours certain players too much.
Substitutions - 3â likes to make subs to defend a lead, hopeless at making subs to win a game unless a first team player is on the bench.
Team morale - 7- running smoothly so far, but lacks winning mentality.
Achievements -2- won nothing and still not competing with the top teams.
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I reckon you'll spend 80+% time as a United fan just feeling p!ssed off if these are genuinely your ratings.
Entitled to your opinion obviously but you clearly would have been very unhappy during some of Fergie's seasons as well and I'd assume you haven't enjoyed any of it since he retired either?
Each to their own but it's an extremely negative way to look at it. If you think your feelings reflect 'normality' then you must have really poor awareness.
How do these ratings work? For example, the last poster said
"Achievements -2- won nothing and still not competing with the top teams."
Surely that would be a 0 then? Or is getting to semi finals and finals classed as an achievement? If so a 2/10 would place us in the bottom 20% of teams, when it's only the very top %age that get to semi finals and finals.
Clarity please, RDD
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
A few other factors you could add:
- Signings/squad rebuild
- Focus on/development of youth setup
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The squad should be better after £400m and 3 summers.
Ole isnt responsible for thr youth set up
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He has a lot more to do with the youth setup than transfer negotiations
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What do you think his involvement is, specifically ?
Not exactly from a great source, will have to dig a proper one out later, but I have a meeting in 10 minutes that I've done fvck all to prepare for, but after 31 games last season -
1) Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (Manchester United) – 15 goals scored or assisted by subs
Games: 31
Substitutions made: 80
Goals scored by subs: 9
Assists by subs: 6
2) Jurgen Klopp (Liverpool) – 12 goals
Games: 31
Substitutions made: 86
Goals scored by subs: 6
Assists by subs: 6
3) Steve Bruce (Newcastle) – 10 goals
Games: 31
Substitutions made: 88
Goals scored by subs: 4
Assists by subs: 6
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
A few other factors you could add:
- Signings/squad rebuild
- Focus on/development of youth setup
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The squad should be better after £400m and 3 summers.
Ole isnt responsible for thr youth set up
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Yet there are plenty of examples of teams going backwards despite spending large sums of money. United included.
Of course he is involved in the youth setup. One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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What do you think his involvment is in the youth set up?
I get certain criticisms of his substitutions, but I don't know how in good faith you can put him below average when the facts are that the subs he does make, clearly make a difference. I fully agree that he should be docked for making them often very late when it's quite clear things aren't working, but whatever he's doing is obviously working more than other managers in that respect.
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
I get certain criticisms of his substitutions, but I don't know how in good faith you can put him below average when the facts are that the subs he does make, clearly make a difference. I fully agree that he should be docked for making them often very late when it's quite clear things aren't working, but whatever he's doing is obviously working more than other managers in that respect.
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I think the main frustrations with his sub and changes is that they don't happen soon enough to turn the flow of the game early.
His subs later on in the games may well be 'Hail Marys' that pay off. I won't knock him for that but a bit more control of games would be welcomed.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
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I was talking about the youth setup. He did bring some though but showed a lack of interest in the long term youth setup and developing it further. Which was why we made such a flurry of young signings when he left.
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Nothing to do with Ole though.
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Tactics - 7 - Against the top teams, he has proven that he is able to set the team up in the proper way. Our results against the top teams has significantly improved since he took over, and we've had quite a few special results in that time. Though, obviously there are also some pretty big failings against smaller teams, and particularly in finals & semi finals.
Team selection - 7 - Not much to be said for this - I don't think he really has much choice in the team that he plays most of the time, though it'd be nice to see VDB get more game time. I do absolutely love the amount of youth players getting chances under him though.
Style of play - 5 - Last season we relied heavily on Bruno, and our left wing & it certainly cost us some points not being able to play in a different way. We are one of the best counter attacking teams in the world at the moment, but as soon as we have more of the ball we struggle to break teams down.
Man management - 8 - Treatment of VDB has not been great, but he's handling the GK situation. Competition is good for the team & prevents complacency. I don't know what else people want him to do with the GKs...
Substitutions - Tricky one this. 7 - His substitutions are super frustrating in that they come very late, and often appear to be the wrong subs. Saying that though, I saw some stats last season that basically put Ole's substitutions as amongst the most impactful subs when made. Would be nice to see them earlier, but the boss obviously knows what he's doing, even if it is frustrating.
Team morale - 10 - I haven't seen a United team that seems this happy for many years. To a large degree, he's brought our United back. Hands down this is the best thing he's done for United so far. There seems to be a real buzz around the team.
Achievements - 5 - This has been the most disappointing aspect. There has certainly been progress, and I'm optimistic that the progress will continue. But we've lost too many semi finals & finals. Finishing in the top 4/2nd is all well and good, but you don't get a trophy for that. I wont go as far as to say he has to win one this season, because I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but there's only so far 'improvements' can go.
Overall, I am happy with Ole as manager, I think it's clear to see that we have improved and are improving. Our squad is so much better than it was when he took over, he's bringing in the right kind of players, he's bringing youth through. Genuinely excited to be a United fan at the moment, which isn't something I've been able to say since SAF. His handling of the media, for the most part has been excellent.
If Ole left tomorrow, he's left United in a far, far better place than when he took over. I believe he has shown more than enough to continue as United manager for the foreseeable, and actually he'd have to properly fvck something up to be made to leave.
Obviously there are frustrations, games like Wolves make that evident, but I believe he has earned the time to address things like that.
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Pretty much agree with all of this
posted on 7/9/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
posted on 7/9/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 5 minutes ago
Tactics - 7 - Against the top teams, he has proven that he is able to set the team up in the proper way. Our results against the top teams has significantly improved since he took over, and we've had quite a few special results in that time. Though, obviously there are also some pretty big failings against smaller teams, and particularly in finals & semi finals.
Team selection - 7 - Not much to be said for this - I don't think he really has much choice in the team that he plays most of the time, though it'd be nice to see VDB get more game time. I do absolutely love the amount of youth players getting chances under him though.
Style of play - 5 - Last season we relied heavily on Bruno, and our left wing & it certainly cost us some points not being able to play in a different way. We are one of the best counter attacking teams in the world at the moment, but as soon as we have more of the ball we struggle to break teams down.
Man management - 8 - Treatment of VDB has not been great, but he's handling the GK situation. Competition is good for the team & prevents complacency. I don't know what else people want him to do with the GKs...
Substitutions - Tricky one this. 7 - His substitutions are super frustrating in that they come very late, and often appear to be the wrong subs. Saying that though, I saw some stats last season that basically put Ole's substitutions as amongst the most impactful subs when made. Would be nice to see them earlier, but the boss obviously knows what he's doing, even if it is frustrating.
Team morale - 10 - I haven't seen a United team that seems this happy for many years. To a large degree, he's brought our United back. Hands down this is the best thing he's done for United so far. There seems to be a real buzz around the team.
Achievements - 5 - This has been the most disappointing aspect. There has certainly been progress, and I'm optimistic that the progress will continue. But we've lost too many semi finals & finals. Finishing in the top 4/2nd is all well and good, but you don't get a trophy for that. I wont go as far as to say he has to win one this season, because I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but there's only so far 'improvements' can go.
Overall, I am happy with Ole as manager, I think it's clear to see that we have improved and are improving. Our squad is so much better than it was when he took over, he's bringing in the right kind of players, he's bringing youth through. Genuinely excited to be a United fan at the moment, which isn't something I've been able to say since SAF. His handling of the media, for the most part has been excellent.
If Ole left tomorrow, he's left United in a far, far better place than when he took over. I believe he has shown more than enough to continue as United manager for the foreseeable, and actually he'd have to properly fvck something up to be made to leave.
Obviously there are frustrations, games like Wolves make that evident, but I believe he has earned the time to address things like that.
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Pretty much agree with all of this
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Yep, spot on Jay... A fair assessment that highlights the positives and negatives.
posted on 7/9/21
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tactics - 7 - Against the top teams, he has proven that he is able to set the team up in the proper way. Our results against the top teams has significantly improved since he took over, and we've had quite a few special results in that time. Though, obviously there are also some pretty big failings against smaller teams, and particularly in finals & semi finals.
Team selection - 7 - Not much to be said for this - I don't think he really has much choice in the team that he plays most of the time, though it'd be nice to see VDB get more game time. I do absolutely love the amount of youth players getting chances under him though.
Style of play - 5 - Last season we relied heavily on Bruno, and our left wing & it certainly cost us some points not being able to play in a different way. We are one of the best counter attacking teams in the world at the moment, but as soon as we have more of the ball we struggle to break teams down.
Man management - 8 - Treatment of VDB has not been great, but he's handling the GK situation. Competition is good for the team & prevents complacency. I don't know what else people want him to do with the GKs...
Substitutions - Tricky one this. 7 - His substitutions are super frustrating in that they come very late, and often appear to be the wrong subs. Saying that though, I saw some stats last season that basically put Ole's substitutions as amongst the most impactful subs when made. Would be nice to see them earlier, but the boss obviously knows what he's doing, even if it is frustrating.
Team morale - 10 - I haven't seen a United team that seems this happy for many years. To a large degree, he's brought our United back. Hands down this is the best thing he's done for United so far. There seems to be a real buzz around the team.
Achievements - 5 - This has been the most disappointing aspect. There has certainly been progress, and I'm optimistic that the progress will continue. But we've lost too many semi finals & finals. Finishing in the top 4/2nd is all well and good, but you don't get a trophy for that. I wont go as far as to say he has to win one this season, because I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but there's only so far 'improvements' can go.
Overall, I am happy with Ole as manager, I think it's clear to see that we have improved and are improving. Our squad is so much better than it was when he took over, he's bringing in the right kind of players, he's bringing youth through. Genuinely excited to be a United fan at the moment, which isn't something I've been able to say since SAF. His handling of the media, for the most part has been excellent.
If Ole left tomorrow, he's left United in a far, far better place than when he took over. I believe he has shown more than enough to continue as United manager for the foreseeable, and actually he'd have to properly fvck something up to be made to leave.
Obviously there are frustrations, games like Wolves make that evident, but I believe he has earned the time to address things like that.
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I agree with all this, so don't have to type it myself đ
posted on 7/9/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
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I was talking about the youth setup. He did bring some though but showed a lack of interest in the long term youth setup and developing it further. Which was why we made such a flurry of young signings when he left.
posted on 7/9/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
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I was talking about the youth setup. He did bring some though but showed a lack of interest in the long term youth setup and developing it further. Which was why we made such a flurry of young signings when he left.
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Still wasn't why he was sacked, that was results based. We knew what we were getting into with him—short term results.
posted on 7/9/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
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I was talking about the youth setup. He did bring some though but showed a lack of interest in the long term youth setup and developing it further. Which was why we made such a flurry of young signings when he left.
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Still wasn't why he was sacked, that was results based. We knew what we were getting into with him—short term results.
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I didn't say it was THE reason he was sacked. I said it was one of the reasons he was sacked. It was widely reported at the time that Jose lost his job because of our form, style of play and lack of youth development. Quite a few media outlets ran with these 3 reasons and so I'd guess that there was some kind of briefing/leak from the club.
posted on 7/9/21
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tactics - 7 - Against the top teams, he has proven that he is able to set the team up in the proper way. Our results against the top teams has significantly improved since he took over, and we've had quite a few special results in that time. Though, obviously there are also some pretty big failings against smaller teams, and particularly in finals & semi finals.
Team selection - 7 - Not much to be said for this - I don't think he really has much choice in the team that he plays most of the time, though it'd be nice to see VDB get more game time. I do absolutely love the amount of youth players getting chances under him though.
Style of play - 5 - Last season we relied heavily on Bruno, and our left wing & it certainly cost us some points not being able to play in a different way. We are one of the best counter attacking teams in the world at the moment, but as soon as we have more of the ball we struggle to break teams down.
Man management - 8 - Treatment of VDB has not been great, but he's handling the GK situation. Competition is good for the team & prevents complacency. I don't know what else people want him to do with the GKs...
Substitutions - Tricky one this. 7 - His substitutions are super frustrating in that they come very late, and often appear to be the wrong subs. Saying that though, I saw some stats last season that basically put Ole's substitutions as amongst the most impactful subs when made. Would be nice to see them earlier, but the boss obviously knows what he's doing, even if it is frustrating.
Team morale - 10 - I haven't seen a United team that seems this happy for many years. To a large degree, he's brought our United back. Hands down this is the best thing he's done for United so far. There seems to be a real buzz around the team.
Achievements - 5 - This has been the most disappointing aspect. There has certainly been progress, and I'm optimistic that the progress will continue. But we've lost too many semi finals & finals. Finishing in the top 4/2nd is all well and good, but you don't get a trophy for that. I wont go as far as to say he has to win one this season, because I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but there's only so far 'improvements' can go.
Overall, I am happy with Ole as manager, I think it's clear to see that we have improved and are improving. Our squad is so much better than it was when he took over, he's bringing in the right kind of players, he's bringing youth through. Genuinely excited to be a United fan at the moment, which isn't something I've been able to say since SAF. His handling of the media, for the most part has been excellent.
If Ole left tomorrow, he's left United in a far, far better place than when he took over. I believe he has shown more than enough to continue as United manager for the foreseeable, and actually he'd have to properly fvck something up to be made to leave.
Obviously there are frustrations, games like Wolves make that evident, but I believe he has earned the time to address things like that.
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I agree with all this, so don't have to type it myself đ
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Bang on. But obviously this will be seen as too pro Ole despite it being as balanced as can be.
posted on 7/9/21
Ole.
Greatest manager in the world if he wins us things.
Underachieving PE teacher manager if he doesn't.
I have never seen him manage.
posted on 7/9/21
Tactics - 7
Team selection - 6
Style of play - 6
Man management - 9
Substitutions - 7
Team morale - 10
Achievements - 7
posted on 7/9/21
Tactics - 10
Team selection - 10
Style of play - 10
Man management - 10
Substitutions - 10
Team morale - 10
Achievements - 10
Wow how good is Ole. Best manager I've seen in fortnights.
posted on 7/9/21
My money is on RDD's latest iteration lasting less on this site than Ole will in the United job.
posted on 7/9/21
Hear me out - I have a super scientific metric for proving who is the best manager. It's so simple, I can't believe no one else has done it.
How many Ole Gunnar Lolskjaer articles have there been compared to Fraudiola, and Jurgen Flopp? Clearly there have been fewer directed at Ole, which just proves he's the best. Irrefutable.
*Disclaimer - for the purposes of this comment, only managers who have had one of the aforementioned articles written about them at least once are included. Managers who haven't had any of those articles are statistical outlier, and the fact they've had no articles written is not an indication of their ability (including, but not limited to Tuchel, Nuno, Arteta & Rodgers)
posted on 7/9/21
To be fair I don't think we can truly rate him until he's come to the 'end point' of his plan. As we don't know when that is it's difficult to fully rate.
At present there's a lot of things I think he's done well but there are some things that worry me too. He's doing a decent job but I'd just like to see decent move up into good very soon.
posted on 7/9/21
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ole Ole Ole - The Cult One - CR7 is Home (U18599)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tactics - 7 - Against the top teams, he has proven that he is able to set the team up in the proper way. Our results against the top teams has significantly improved since he took over, and we've had quite a few special results in that time. Though, obviously there are also some pretty big failings against smaller teams, and particularly in finals & semi finals.
Team selection - 7 - Not much to be said for this - I don't think he really has much choice in the team that he plays most of the time, though it'd be nice to see VDB get more game time. I do absolutely love the amount of youth players getting chances under him though.
Style of play - 5 - Last season we relied heavily on Bruno, and our left wing & it certainly cost us some points not being able to play in a different way. We are one of the best counter attacking teams in the world at the moment, but as soon as we have more of the ball we struggle to break teams down.
Man management - 8 - Treatment of VDB has not been great, but he's handling the GK situation. Competition is good for the team & prevents complacency. I don't know what else people want him to do with the GKs...
Substitutions - Tricky one this. 7 - His substitutions are super frustrating in that they come very late, and often appear to be the wrong subs. Saying that though, I saw some stats last season that basically put Ole's substitutions as amongst the most impactful subs when made. Would be nice to see them earlier, but the boss obviously knows what he's doing, even if it is frustrating.
Team morale - 10 - I haven't seen a United team that seems this happy for many years. To a large degree, he's brought our United back. Hands down this is the best thing he's done for United so far. There seems to be a real buzz around the team.
Achievements - 5 - This has been the most disappointing aspect. There has certainly been progress, and I'm optimistic that the progress will continue. But we've lost too many semi finals & finals. Finishing in the top 4/2nd is all well and good, but you don't get a trophy for that. I wont go as far as to say he has to win one this season, because I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but there's only so far 'improvements' can go.
Overall, I am happy with Ole as manager, I think it's clear to see that we have improved and are improving. Our squad is so much better than it was when he took over, he's bringing in the right kind of players, he's bringing youth through. Genuinely excited to be a United fan at the moment, which isn't something I've been able to say since SAF. His handling of the media, for the most part has been excellent.
If Ole left tomorrow, he's left United in a far, far better place than when he took over. I believe he has shown more than enough to continue as United manager for the foreseeable, and actually he'd have to properly fvck something up to be made to leave.
Obviously there are frustrations, games like Wolves make that evident, but I believe he has earned the time to address things like that.
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I agree with all this, so don't have to type it myself đ
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Bang on. But obviously this will be seen as too pro Ole despite it being as balanced as can be.
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I'll third this and say pretty much on the money from my perspective. My only slight tweak might be the Donny thing, when he was speaking to Rio he confirmed that Solskjaer talks to and explains reasons to absentees and he doesn't come across as unhappy with how he's been managed, he wants more game time but I don't thin they mutually exclusive. He seems pretty happy in general and determined to earn a spot, which I'd argue could actually go down as a plus in that column really.
If Donny ends up being an integral part of the team, it could be pretty much down to how he was managed. Not being thrown in when he isn't up to it physically. Our fans aren't very patient and a handful of bad games could see him of the sh!t list. We may look back and think he managed the situation and his integration pretty much bang on. If he's not up to it yet, the responsible thing is to not throw him to the wolves.
posted on 7/9/21
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
Man Management - 5. His handling of Pogba has been very good, but his handling of the GK's and Donny has been poor.
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Luke Shaw? From a player most had given up on to the best left back in the country? He openly praises Ole for his management of him
Fred... While still a bit bipolar performance wise... Handled far better than Jose did.
Rashford loves him
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Yep. Good and bad. Im sticking with 5.
What are your scores?
posted on 7/9/21
Some strange ratings on here, so let me bring some normality back:
Tactics - 2- sitting back and hitting teams on the break is nothing amazing, especially when you're a big team. In-game management is just poor.
Team selection - 7- plays his strongest team too often. Too defensive.
Style of play - 1- has failed to deliver the entertaining football he promised. We have no style—we can't defend, can't press, can't pass. We just rely on individual brilliance or teams playing too open.
Man management - 7- there's harmony, but favours certain players too much.
Substitutions - 3â likes to make subs to defend a lead, hopeless at making subs to win a game unless a first team player is on the bench.
Team morale - 7- running smoothly so far, but lacks winning mentality.
Achievements -2- won nothing and still not competing with the top teams.
posted on 7/9/21
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 52 seconds ago
Some strange ratings on here, so let me bring some normality back:
Tactics - 2- sitting back and hitting teams on the break is nothing amazing, especially when you're a big team. In-game management is just poor.
Team selection - 7- plays his strongest team too often. Too defensive.
Style of play - 1- has failed to deliver the entertaining football he promised. We have no style—we can't defend, can't press, can't pass. We just rely on individual brilliance or teams playing too open.
Man management - 7- there's harmony, but favours certain players too much.
Substitutions - 3â likes to make subs to defend a lead, hopeless at making subs to win a game unless a first team player is on the bench.
Team morale - 7- running smoothly so far, but lacks winning mentality.
Achievements -2- won nothing and still not competing with the top teams.
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I reckon you'll spend 80+% time as a United fan just feeling p!ssed off if these are genuinely your ratings.
Entitled to your opinion obviously but you clearly would have been very unhappy during some of Fergie's seasons as well and I'd assume you haven't enjoyed any of it since he retired either?
Each to their own but it's an extremely negative way to look at it. If you think your feelings reflect 'normality' then you must have really poor awareness.
posted on 7/9/21
How do these ratings work? For example, the last poster said
"Achievements -2- won nothing and still not competing with the top teams."
Surely that would be a 0 then? Or is getting to semi finals and finals classed as an achievement? If so a 2/10 would place us in the bottom 20% of teams, when it's only the very top %age that get to semi finals and finals.
Clarity please, RDD
posted on 7/9/21
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
A few other factors you could add:
- Signings/squad rebuild
- Focus on/development of youth setup
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The squad should be better after £400m and 3 summers.
Ole isnt responsible for thr youth set up
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He has a lot more to do with the youth setup than transfer negotiations
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What do you think his involvement is, specifically ?
posted on 7/9/21
Not exactly from a great source, will have to dig a proper one out later, but I have a meeting in 10 minutes that I've done fvck all to prepare for, but after 31 games last season -
1) Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (Manchester United) – 15 goals scored or assisted by subs
Games: 31
Substitutions made: 80
Goals scored by subs: 9
Assists by subs: 6
2) Jurgen Klopp (Liverpool) – 12 goals
Games: 31
Substitutions made: 86
Goals scored by subs: 6
Assists by subs: 6
3) Steve Bruce (Newcastle) – 10 goals
Games: 31
Substitutions made: 88
Goals scored by subs: 4
Assists by subs: 6
posted on 7/9/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by The Mur Man (U22601)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
A few other factors you could add:
- Signings/squad rebuild
- Focus on/development of youth setup
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The squad should be better after £400m and 3 summers.
Ole isnt responsible for thr youth set up
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Yet there are plenty of examples of teams going backwards despite spending large sums of money. United included.
Of course he is involved in the youth setup. One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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What do you think his involvment is in the youth set up?
posted on 7/9/21
I get certain criticisms of his substitutions, but I don't know how in good faith you can put him below average when the facts are that the subs he does make, clearly make a difference. I fully agree that he should be docked for making them often very late when it's quite clear things aren't working, but whatever he's doing is obviously working more than other managers in that respect.
posted on 7/9/21
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 1 minute ago
I get certain criticisms of his substitutions, but I don't know how in good faith you can put him below average when the facts are that the subs he does make, clearly make a difference. I fully agree that he should be docked for making them often very late when it's quite clear things aren't working, but whatever he's doing is obviously working more than other managers in that respect.
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I think the main frustrations with his sub and changes is that they don't happen soon enough to turn the flow of the game early.
His subs later on in the games may well be 'Hail Marys' that pay off. I won't knock him for that but a bit more control of games would be welcomed.
posted on 7/9/21
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
One of the reasons Jose was sacked was because of his alck of interest in the yotuh.
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I highly doubt it was one of the reasons. Jose brought McT through, and Ole brought Greenwood through—what's the difference?
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I was talking about the youth setup. He did bring some though but showed a lack of interest in the long term youth setup and developing it further. Which was why we made such a flurry of young signings when he left.
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Nothing to do with Ole though.
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