As soon as the safety car was deployed Hamilton knew it was it over. He ran the risk going the distance on those tyres. He's unlucky but these things happen in F1. Over the course of the season the best man won. Sets it up nicely for next year.
Three words
Race directors discretion
Whether it was the right thing for Masi to do morally is the debate...and the only debate that can be had.
If the rules state the Race Director can make the decision regards which lapped cars overtake and when the safety car can be called in...then the problem isn't the race director, it's the loophole in the regulations that allows for it to happen.
One line in the regulations that states the race director must either let all lapped cars pass or no lapped cars pass under a safety car...would resolve this whole issue
That line is not in there...at the moment
So Masi acted within the rules
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I thought the RD played a blinder in the end. He done the best he could do in those circumstances. It wasn't his fault Max had the shinier tyres. Hamilton would have won if it weren't for the crash. It was all over as soon as Latifi hit the barrier.
They can restart the race but they were saying first no lapped cars can overtake and then changed it to a few and then allowed Verstappen to close behind Hamilton while Sainz who was behind Verstappen couldn't.
So FIA decision making would be laughed off by the court. Hope Lewis appeals this as if he doesn't then he won't be standing for F1 or fair rights and rigged championships.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59639828
Considering Lewis usually does every media thing, this shows what he really thought.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 9 minutes ago
They can restart the race but they were saying first no lapped cars can overtake and then changed it to a few and then allowed Verstappen to close behind Hamilton while Sainz who was behind Verstappen couldn't.
So FIA decision making would be laughed off by the court. Hope Lewis appeals this as if he doesn't then he won't be standing for F1 or fair rights and rigged championships.
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Sainz finished 3rd
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Yeah Sainz who finished 3rd battled Tsunoda in last lap while behind the backmarkers so why wasn’t Verstappen given the same hand? Masi fixed the result. Never ever done before one car behind Max can’t overtake the backmarkers while Max can lol.
Its like Red Bull were in charge of the rules in the last lap and Masi made a mistake not allowing Sainz through.
So Verstappen would have been fighting the backmarkers on the last lap instead of Hamilton with Sainz right behind him.
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Verstappen should have been battling Sainz if he wasn’t allowed through and the backmarkers on the last lap but they had one rule for Sainz and another for Verstappen.
Sainz had the chance to win his first race on new tyres and he was cheated so why does Max get to earn places through the stewards while Sainz doesn’t? Sainz had a chance to win the race. Hamilton on old tyres Verstappen battling Lewis on old tyres, Max
Didn’t have to worry about a lunge from Sainz.
https://mobile.twitter.com/F1Malik/status/1470147987028520967/photo/1
Sainz could have won the race like Verstappen did. He had fresh tyres, he could have made the restart for Verstappen much harder.
So as Sainz wasn’t allowed to overtake the backmarkers Verstappen shouldn’t have been allowed to and therefore the race result should be done based on the penultimate lap.
Agreed. Even in lap 1 Hamilton had to go offtrack to avoid a crazy Verstappen who would have won if they had collided and dnf.
Masi is a cheat. He says that is motor racing so why didn’t Sainz get a chance to race lol. This has never been done in the history of the sport until yesterday. I guarantee you now if Red Bull were done like that Marko, Horner and Verstappen will be calling FIA and Masi cheats.
Remember Brazil, Verstappen tried to t-bone Hamilton out the way just like Monza but Hamilton could avoid him by running metres off the track. Lewis was gonna easily make the corner. Normally any other racer would have got a penalty for that but they made Max the first driver to get away with that.
If Toto doesn’t put a case against the result then he should be axed from Mercedes. Lewis and the team worked hard for that championship.
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comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 36 minutes ago
Remember Brazil, Verstappen tried to t-bone Hamilton out the way just like Monza but Hamilton could avoid him by running metres off the track. Lewis was gonna easily make the corner. Normally any other racer would have got a penalty for that but they made Max the first driver to get away with that.
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So when Verstappen passed Hamilton yesterday, and Hamilton ran wide, went way off the track, and gained an advantage in doing so, when Verstappen did not put his car outside the white lines at all at any point....did the stewards give Hamilton a penalty then?
Only reason Hamilton managed to build an advantage in the early part of the race yesterday was because that manoeuvre gave him track position on medium tyres....if Verstappen has clear air on soft tyres, he would have been way out front
The only reason Verstappen stayed on the track and got ahead was due to a lunge from miles back and if Hamilton hadn’t gone off the track there would have been a collision. So basically what Hamilton should have done is lunged up the inside at the end and go to a halt in the corner and force the other driver off the track?
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As soon as the safety car was deployed Hamilton knew it was it over. He ran the risk going the distance on those tyres. He's unlucky but these things happen in F1. Over the course of the season the best man won. Sets it up nicely for next year.
posted on 13/12/21
Three words
Race directors discretion
Whether it was the right thing for Masi to do morally is the debate...and the only debate that can be had.
If the rules state the Race Director can make the decision regards which lapped cars overtake and when the safety car can be called in...then the problem isn't the race director, it's the loophole in the regulations that allows for it to happen.
One line in the regulations that states the race director must either let all lapped cars pass or no lapped cars pass under a safety car...would resolve this whole issue
That line is not in there...at the moment
So Masi acted within the rules
posted on 13/12/21
Spot on OP
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I thought the RD played a blinder in the end. He done the best he could do in those circumstances. It wasn't his fault Max had the shinier tyres. Hamilton would have won if it weren't for the crash. It was all over as soon as Latifi hit the barrier.
posted on 13/12/21
They can restart the race but they were saying first no lapped cars can overtake and then changed it to a few and then allowed Verstappen to close behind Hamilton while Sainz who was behind Verstappen couldn't.
So FIA decision making would be laughed off by the court. Hope Lewis appeals this as if he doesn't then he won't be standing for F1 or fair rights and rigged championships.
posted on 13/12/21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59639828
Considering Lewis usually does every media thing, this shows what he really thought.
posted on 13/12/21
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 9 minutes ago
They can restart the race but they were saying first no lapped cars can overtake and then changed it to a few and then allowed Verstappen to close behind Hamilton while Sainz who was behind Verstappen couldn't.
So FIA decision making would be laughed off by the court. Hope Lewis appeals this as if he doesn't then he won't be standing for F1 or fair rights and rigged championships.
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Sainz finished 3rd
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posted on 13/12/21
Yeah Sainz who finished 3rd battled Tsunoda in last lap while behind the backmarkers so why wasn’t Verstappen given the same hand? Masi fixed the result. Never ever done before one car behind Max can’t overtake the backmarkers while Max can lol.
Its like Red Bull were in charge of the rules in the last lap and Masi made a mistake not allowing Sainz through.
posted on 13/12/21
So Verstappen would have been fighting the backmarkers on the last lap instead of Hamilton with Sainz right behind him.
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posted on 13/12/21
Verstappen should have been battling Sainz if he wasn’t allowed through and the backmarkers on the last lap but they had one rule for Sainz and another for Verstappen.
Sainz had the chance to win his first race on new tyres and he was cheated so why does Max get to earn places through the stewards while Sainz doesn’t? Sainz had a chance to win the race. Hamilton on old tyres Verstappen battling Lewis on old tyres, Max
Didn’t have to worry about a lunge from Sainz.
posted on 13/12/21
https://mobile.twitter.com/F1Malik/status/1470147987028520967/photo/1
Sainz could have won the race like Verstappen did. He had fresh tyres, he could have made the restart for Verstappen much harder.
posted on 13/12/21
So as Sainz wasn’t allowed to overtake the backmarkers Verstappen shouldn’t have been allowed to and therefore the race result should be done based on the penultimate lap.
posted on 13/12/21
Agreed. Even in lap 1 Hamilton had to go offtrack to avoid a crazy Verstappen who would have won if they had collided and dnf.
posted on 13/12/21
Masi is a cheat. He says that is motor racing so why didn’t Sainz get a chance to race lol. This has never been done in the history of the sport until yesterday. I guarantee you now if Red Bull were done like that Marko, Horner and Verstappen will be calling FIA and Masi cheats.
posted on 13/12/21
Remember Brazil, Verstappen tried to t-bone Hamilton out the way just like Monza but Hamilton could avoid him by running metres off the track. Lewis was gonna easily make the corner. Normally any other racer would have got a penalty for that but they made Max the first driver to get away with that.
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Disgusting.
posted on 13/12/21
If Toto doesn’t put a case against the result then he should be axed from Mercedes. Lewis and the team worked hard for that championship.
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comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 36 minutes ago
Remember Brazil, Verstappen tried to t-bone Hamilton out the way just like Monza but Hamilton could avoid him by running metres off the track. Lewis was gonna easily make the corner. Normally any other racer would have got a penalty for that but they made Max the first driver to get away with that.
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So when Verstappen passed Hamilton yesterday, and Hamilton ran wide, went way off the track, and gained an advantage in doing so, when Verstappen did not put his car outside the white lines at all at any point....did the stewards give Hamilton a penalty then?
Only reason Hamilton managed to build an advantage in the early part of the race yesterday was because that manoeuvre gave him track position on medium tyres....if Verstappen has clear air on soft tyres, he would have been way out front
posted on 13/12/21
The only reason Verstappen stayed on the track and got ahead was due to a lunge from miles back and if Hamilton hadn’t gone off the track there would have been a collision. So basically what Hamilton should have done is lunged up the inside at the end and go to a halt in the corner and force the other driver off the track?
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