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Ten Hag won’t be working with most of this squad for very long anyway.

And if Pep or Klopp came in they would instruct him to on what they needed him to do.
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Sounds easy enough. Wonder why Enrique hasn't tried this for Spain, and chose to call up Brighton's GK instead (a player who I wouldn't be against us looking at, incidentally) presumably because he his a much more proactive goalkeeper.

comment by Dimarouge (U19731)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
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Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
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Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
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The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
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Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.
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TH doesn't care about the coaching team. He is the one who does the coaching. There seems to be an outdated thinking in England whereby a manager needs assistants for the coaching. Pep and Klopp are still involved in drilling their team. Your club Spurs is used to the old fashioned lazy English manager like Redknap who goes to the betting office or shopping while his assistants do the work on the training ground.
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What a rubbish example to use spurs as having old school English managers

Martin Jol, jacques Santini, AVB, Jose, conte, Nuno , ramos , Poch

All the above have managed Tottenham since 2000

English managers (permanent not caretakers) same time frame

Glenn hoddle and Redknapp

🙄….how are Tottenham use to old school lazy English managers? We have had 2 in 22 years

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
----------------------------
Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
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I disagree.

Our new Chief Exec will be well aware of past mistakes and the fans feelings over the last 5 years or so. He will therefore be well aware of the importance of this appointment and the support the manager receives going forward.
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You know that or are you hoping? He's an accountant, right?

As Spurs have found over the years, too much input from our CEO in footballing decisions has hampered us. . Your previous guy was financially a great success, just like Levy is at Spurs, still resulted in countless poor football decisions being made.

comment by Dimarouge (U19731)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
----------------------------
Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
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Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.
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TH doesn't care about the coaching team. He is the one who does the coaching. There seems to be an outdated thinking in England whereby a manager needs assistants for the coaching. Pep and Klopp are still involved in drilling their team. Your club Spurs is used to the old fashioned lazy English manager like Redknap who goes to the betting office or shopping while his assistants do the work on the training ground.
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Sorry, did you mention Redknapp He left Spurs 0 years ago you clown 🤡

*10 years ago

comment by Dimarouge (U19731)
posted 36 minutes ago
It's easy to win the ball back from Man Utd. Put pressure on the goalkeeper and he will hoof it long to the opposition CB to win the header. TH will replace the goalkeeper, Maguire and AWB to fix the build up phase. You need a midffiel player who can connect the first phase of build up with the attacking phase.

Let's hope Mazraoui goes to Barca.
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You see this is where the difficult decisions for TH will begin. DDG on £375k a week will be benched? No one will buy him with those wages let alone the fee you would demand.

I would suggest that its the CBs ability to play out that is more important as the GK can easily play short to them. This is happening at Spurs and Lloris is probably a worse kicker of the ball than DDG. I would agree that you need a baller in CM to link it all. Its amazing what a change Bentancor has made to Spurs in his short time, how that has seen PEH raise his game. Helped by Romero being very calm at the back and effectively playing out of tight situations

comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Dimarouge (U19731)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
----------------------------
Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
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Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.
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TH doesn't care about the coaching team. He is the one who does the coaching. There seems to be an outdated thinking in England whereby a manager needs assistants for the coaching. Pep and Klopp are still involved in drilling their team. Your club Spurs is used to the old fashioned lazy English manager like Redknap who goes to the betting office or shopping while his assistants do the work on the training ground.
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What a rubbish example to use spurs as having old school English managers

Martin Jol, jacques Santini, AVB, Jose, conte, Nuno , ramos , Poch

All the above have managed Tottenham since 2000

English managers (permanent not caretakers) same time frame

Glenn hoddle and Redknapp

🙄….how are Tottenham use to old school lazy English managers? We have had 2 in 22 years


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Why would they say TH needs to pick a coaching team.
At Ajax they chose some random ex players and he didn't care about whether they knew how to coach. He used the coaches for preparing the cones.

He is the one who will be on the training ground doing the coaching that's for sure.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Dimarouge (U19731)
posted 36 minutes ago
It's easy to win the ball back from Man Utd. Put pressure on the goalkeeper and he will hoof it long to the opposition CB to win the header. TH will replace the goalkeeper, Maguire and AWB to fix the build up phase. You need a midffiel player who can connect the first phase of build up with the attacking phase.

Let's hope Mazraoui goes to Barca.
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You see this is where the difficult decisions for TH will begin. DDG on £375k a week will be benched? No one will buy him with those wages let alone the fee you would demand.

I would suggest that its the CBs ability to play out that is more important as the GK can easily play short to them. This is happening at Spurs and Lloris is probably a worse kicker of the ball than DDG. I would agree that you need a baller in CM to link it all. Its amazing what a change Bentancor has made to Spurs in his short time, how that has seen PEH raise his game. Helped by Romero being very calm at the back and effectively playing out of tight situations
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Bentacur made a huge difference for Spurs in transition play. You can pass the ball to him in tight situations and he doesn't panic when he is surrounded by a few opposition players. This gives your attackers the possibility to stay high up the pitch to make the pitch big.

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comment by Dimarouge (U19731)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Dimarouge (U19731)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
----------------------------
Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
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Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.
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TH doesn't care about the coaching team. He is the one who does the coaching. There seems to be an outdated thinking in England whereby a manager needs assistants for the coaching. Pep and Klopp are still involved in drilling their team. Your club Spurs is used to the old fashioned lazy English manager like Redknap who goes to the betting office or shopping while his assistants do the work on the training ground.
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What a rubbish example to use spurs as having old school English managers

Martin Jol, jacques Santini, AVB, Jose, conte, Nuno , ramos , Poch

All the above have managed Tottenham since 2000

English managers (permanent not caretakers) same time frame

Glenn hoddle and Redknapp

🙄….how are Tottenham use to old school lazy English managers? We have had 2 in 22 years


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Why would they say TH needs to pick a coaching team.
At Ajax they chose some random ex players and he didn't care about whether they knew how to coach. He used the coaches for preparing the cones.

He is the one who will be on the training ground doing the coaching that's for sure.
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Well Pep Klopp and Conte take a core of trusted Lieutenants within them to most gigs. Seems to be what successful coaches do.

If TH wants to do all the work then good luck to him. I would say, as with many management positions in life, having a strong team around you, people you know and can trust, who have bee through different situations with you, the highs the lows, you can bounce ideas off etc is key to success.

If the head coach is saying...yeah, i'll take whoever you want on the coaching team then...i think you naturally question his leadership. Like i said, most top managers know exactly who they want in key positions and demand they come with them.

comment by Dimarouge (U19731)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Dimarouge (U19731)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
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Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
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Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.
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TH doesn't care about the coaching team. He is the one who does the coaching. There seems to be an outdated thinking in England whereby a manager needs assistants for the coaching. Pep and Klopp are still involved in drilling their team. Your club Spurs is used to the old fashioned lazy English manager like Redknap who goes to the betting office or shopping while his assistants do the work on the training ground.
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What a rubbish example to use spurs as having old school English managers

Martin Jol, jacques Santini, AVB, Jose, conte, Nuno , ramos , Poch

All the above have managed Tottenham since 2000

English managers (permanent not caretakers) same time frame

Glenn hoddle and Redknapp

🙄….how are Tottenham use to old school lazy English managers? We have had 2 in 22 years


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Why would they say TH needs to pick a coaching team.
At Ajax they chose some random ex players and he didn't care about whether they knew how to coach. He used the coaches for preparing the cones.

He is the one who will be on the training ground doing the coaching that's for sure.
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I think you are making a huge error in comparing coaching / setting teams up in the Dutch league compared to doing the same in the English premier league

Other than 2/3 other good teams who else is there to face in that league? It’s the equivalent of playing Liverpool /city / Chelsea some weeks then playing QPR / Middlesbrough/ Huddersfield etc the other games

In that respect you wouldn’t need a team of elite coaches to get results

You don’t get one easy game in the premier league (well okay maybe Everton) so there is a bigger emphasis on coaching and preparing for each game which you would need better coaches for

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 38 minutes ago
Dimarouge is our boards expert. He has read over 3 coaching books.
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comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Dimarouge (U19731)
posted 44 minutes ago

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Why would they say TH needs to pick a coaching team.
At Ajax they chose some random ex players and he didn't care about whether they knew how to coach. He used the coaches for preparing the cones.

He is the one who will be on the training ground doing the coaching that's for sure.
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I think you are making a huge error in comparing coaching / setting teams up in the Dutch league compared to doing the same in the English premier league

Other than 2/3 other good teams who else is there to face in that league? It’s the equivalent of playing Liverpool /city / Chelsea some weeks then playing QPR / Middlesbrough/ Huddersfield etc the other games

In that respect you wouldn’t need a team of elite coaches to get results

You don’t get one easy game in the premier league (well okay maybe Everton) so there is a bigger emphasis on coaching and preparing for each game which you would need better coaches for

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I am enjoying the fact that the Board will be put under pressure from Conte. He knows what it takes to be successful and the Board know they have to work very well with him and more or less get him what he wants otherwise they risk losing him and are then scratching around for a replacement, and after last summers nightmare managerial search and all the upheaval at Utd, its very clear to see that a top manager makes all the difference and if you find a good thing you need to hang on to it because there are few around.

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 3 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 20 minutes ago
Our fans love to write off our players.

DDG, Shaw, Dalot, Fred, even Bruno, all maligned by our fans, despite being our best players.

Madness
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Dalot is one of our best players?

De Gea is a great goal keeper in his own right. But it's pretty obvious that he isn't really cut out to be thr type of keeper we need him to be.

If Pep or Klopp joined us tomorrow, one of the first things they'd do is replace De Gea. Guarantee it. Be interesting to see if ETH does the same.
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Dalot is better than is given credit for.

And if Pep or Klopp came in they would instruct him to on what they needed him to do.
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Managers that tell their players what to do huh? Innovative.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
----------------------------
Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
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I disagree.

Our new Chief Exec will be well aware of past mistakes and the fans feelings over the last 5 years or so. He will therefore be well aware of the importance of this appointment and the support the manager receives going forward.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You know that or are you hoping? He's an accountant, right?

As Spurs have found over the years, too much input from our CEO in footballing decisions has hampered us. . Your previous guy was financially a great success, just like Levy is at Spurs, still resulted in countless poor football decisions being made.
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You dont think a highly regarded professional with years in the job can work out what we on here can? (Learn from eds mistakes. Support the manager)

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
----------------------------
Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
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I disagree.

Our new Chief Exec will be well aware of past mistakes and the fans feelings over the last 5 years or so. He will therefore be well aware of the importance of this appointment and the support the manager receives going forward.
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You know that or are you hoping? He's an accountant, right?

As Spurs have found over the years, too much input from our CEO in footballing decisions has hampered us. . Your previous guy was financially a great success, just like Levy is at Spurs, still resulted in countless poor football decisions being made.
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You dont think a highly regarded professional with years in the job can work out what we on here can? (Learn from eds mistakes. Support the manager)
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Exactly why you need a strong and experienced manager with a good team around him.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
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Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
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Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
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The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
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I disagree.

Our new Chief Exec will be well aware of past mistakes and the fans feelings over the last 5 years or so. He will therefore be well aware of the importance of this appointment and the support the manager receives going forward.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You know that or are you hoping? He's an accountant, right?

As Spurs have found over the years, too much input from our CEO in footballing decisions has hampered us. . Your previous guy was financially a great success, just like Levy is at Spurs, still resulted in countless poor football decisions being made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You dont think a highly regarded professional with years in the job can work out what we on here can? (Learn from eds mistakes. Support the manager)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Exactly why you need a strong and experienced manager with a good team around him.
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Why does it require such a manager and team in order for the exec to be supportive?

Exactly why you need a strong and experienced manager with a good team around him..
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Your opinion on ETH seems to be based on an awful lot of conjecture, based solely on some report that Spurs didn't hire him because of something about coaching staff (this is the same Spurs hierarchy that then thought it a good a idea to hire Nuno - take what you will from that)

It doesn't sound like you really know much about him. Neither do I really, but I think it's pretty arrogant to dismiss him as some guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league. If you are interested, there is plenty out there to be read on the challenges he faced when coming into Ajax as an outsider which don't really point to him being some yes-man.

Knowledge of managers aren’t really his thing, he tried to convince me that Conte, Mourinho and Nuno wouldn’t play defensive football at Spurs.

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
----------------------------
Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I disagree.

Our new Chief Exec will be well aware of past mistakes and the fans feelings over the last 5 years or so. He will therefore be well aware of the importance of this appointment and the support the manager receives going forward.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You know that or are you hoping? He's an accountant, right?

As Spurs have found over the years, too much input from our CEO in footballing decisions has hampered us. . Your previous guy was financially a great success, just like Levy is at Spurs, still resulted in countless poor football decisions being made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You dont think a highly regarded professional with years in the job can work out what we on here can? (Learn from eds mistakes. Support the manager)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who actually made the decision on who replaced Ed? Was it Ed himself?

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
----------------------------
Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I disagree.

Our new Chief Exec will be well aware of past mistakes and the fans feelings over the last 5 years or so. He will therefore be well aware of the importance of this appointment and the support the manager receives going forward.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You know that or are you hoping? He's an accountant, right?

As Spurs have found over the years, too much input from our CEO in footballing decisions has hampered us. . Your previous guy was financially a great success, just like Levy is at Spurs, still resulted in countless poor football decisions being made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You dont think a highly regarded professional with years in the job can work out what we on here can? (Learn from eds mistakes. Support the manager)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who actually made the decision on who replaced Ed? Was it Ed himself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Probably Joel Glazer, Ed and a few other directors.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
----------------------------
Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I disagree.

Our new Chief Exec will be well aware of past mistakes and the fans feelings over the last 5 years or so. He will therefore be well aware of the importance of this appointment and the support the manager receives going forward.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You know that or are you hoping? He's an accountant, right?

As Spurs have found over the years, too much input from our CEO in footballing decisions has hampered us. . Your previous guy was financially a great success, just like Levy is at Spurs, still resulted in countless poor football decisions being made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You dont think a highly regarded professional with years in the job can work out what we on here can? (Learn from eds mistakes. Support the manager)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who actually made the decision on who replaced Ed? Was it Ed himself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I would not be surprised if he had some input but the final say would have been Joel's

comment by Don (U22703)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Don (U22703)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 30 minutes ago
I don't think this ends well. The players have to buy into the manager and the system and so far they haven't done that with a succession of managers.
----------------------------
Oh. Maybe we should just give up?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Its the only sensible thing to do . It has not worked out with previous managers so there is no point in trying to win with a new one. We need to replicate the Spurs model.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The issue i see is that United probably need a massive clear out....so tough and unpopular decisions to be made and a bit of a root and branch rebuild.

A lot of Utd fans moan more about how the club is run than the actual manager or players and this is probably correct. With this in mind you want a strong experienced manager who the BoD will listen to. If he says for example "Ronaldo needs to go" then the Board need to action that, not tell him no because he sells some shirts or whatever. Jose's demise largely came about over a break down in trust over Pogba. SO even back then a strong manager saying he wants player A B and C and wants rid of player D & E wasnt listened to, the BoD knew best and you've won nothing since and will lose Pogba for zip.

I feel like Spurs and Utd have been in similar positions with a group that has continued to underperform and an ownership that have been heavily criticised and a major contributing factor to the decline. It takes a strong manager to turn that around and this appears to be happening at SPurs under Conte. Really feels we are moving in the right direction. The summer will be telling but our Board will know they have to give the manager what he wants (within reason) and the DoF has helped in this.

United still seem like the Board tell the manager what he is getting. Ten Hag interviewed at Spurs, and was rejected, reportedly partially because he didnt have any recommendations for who should make up his coaching team. To me, and Spurs, this seems liek weak leadership.

The job at United is massive and IMO needs a massive manager and a Board that will listen to him. Ten Hag seems far from that and might find himself out of his depth. Dealing with the stars, the Board, the egos, the fans impatient for success, the media spot will be huge. Its not just about signing a guy who plays pretty football in the Dutch pub league
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I disagree.

Our new Chief Exec will be well aware of past mistakes and the fans feelings over the last 5 years or so. He will therefore be well aware of the importance of this appointment and the support the manager receives going forward.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You know that or are you hoping? He's an accountant, right?

As Spurs have found over the years, too much input from our CEO in footballing decisions has hampered us. . Your previous guy was financially a great success, just like Levy is at Spurs, still resulted in countless poor football decisions being made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

You dont think a highly regarded professional with years in the job can work out what we on here can? (Learn from eds mistakes. Support the manager)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who actually made the decision on who replaced Ed? Was it Ed himself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Probably Joel Glazer, Ed and a few other directors.
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I hope that it wasn't Ed on his own. As he has likely just appointed a different version of himself. It does worry me that they are too similar, but hopefully not.