comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 6 minutes ago
Who here is actually going to sit down and watch the funeral on Monday???
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I'll probably walk the dog and then play on my PS5 instead.
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What game?
What breed of dog?
Are you me?!
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Royalist have been brainwashed by propaganda.
Non royalists can see through it with their superior intelligence.
They think
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It's hilarious.
Brexiteers said the same about Remainers.
Remainers said the same about Brexiteers.
Tories say the same about Labour voters.
Labour voters say the same about Tories...
How stupid, arrogant and bigoted are people to believe that the only possible way somebody can think different to them is because they've been misled by propaganda.
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This is the most common defence from people who've been brainwashed by propaganda.
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Royalist have been brainwashed by propaganda.
Non royalists can see through it with their superior intelligence.
They think
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It's hilarious.
Brexiteers said the same about Remainers.
Remainers said the same about Brexiteers.
Tories say the same about Labour voters.
Labour voters say the same about Tories...
How stupid, arrogant and bigoted are people to believe that the only possible way somebody can think different to them is because they've been misled by propaganda.
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This is the most common defence from people who've been brainwashed by propaganda.
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And this is where debate is no longer remotely worthwhile.
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Royalist have been brainwashed by propaganda.
Non royalists can see through it with their superior intelligence.
They think
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It's hilarious.
Brexiteers said the same about Remainers.
Remainers said the same about Brexiteers.
Tories say the same about Labour voters.
Labour voters say the same about Tories...
How stupid, arrogant and bigoted are people to believe that the only possible way somebody can think different to them is because they've been misled by propaganda.
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This is the most common defence from people who've been brainwashed by propaganda.
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And you haven’t been brainwashed by anti-monarchist propaganda?
I’m not talking about any one system. I’m talking about the value of tradition and how propaganda is used to promote that is GCSE level history.
It’s a debate as old as time - traditionalists vs progressives. It’s something that’s particularly pertinent to England, as it’s a nation obsessed with its history, and Monarchy has been front and centre of that, it’s part of our origin myth.
My argument isn’t about whether that it’s good or bad, I understand the value in it, particularly where you consider nationalism and national identity. But my point is that traditional values are, and always have been, part of this propaganda. It’s not something that can be denied.
comment by Sadiq Khan (world class mayor) - #JC4PM (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sadiq Khan (world class mayor) - #JC4PM (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
Valuing tradition is part of the propaganda, though. That’s something that can been seen in any culture that wants to promote a certain system.
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Exhibit A right here
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Are you actually going to deny that? It’s GCSE history ffs.
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The current monarchy or valuing tradition wasn’t in my GCSE history. It was essentially WWI & WW2 if memory serves.
I’ll try and put it this way mate, assuming that you’re a football fan. Have you ever been asked why you’re a football fan by a non sports fan? How do you explain it? There are many reasons against being a football fan: being extorted by the teams and companies, it’s just 22 men kicking ball etc etc.
But we love it, we find it entertaining and so on
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Football propaganda is absolutely rife through society though…
propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
Basically, as it's commonly known, deliberately misleading people to achieve a certain goal. In the case of Brexit it was posters of lines of refugees that made you think of immigrants. Big numbers on buses supposedly going to the NHS.
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not talking about any one system. I’m talking about the value of tradition and how propaganda is used to promote that is GCSE level history.
It’s a debate as old as time - traditionalists vs progressives. It’s something that’s particularly pertinent to England, as it’s a nation obsessed with its history, and Monarchy has been front and centre of that, it’s part of our origin myth.
My argument isn’t about whether that it’s good or bad, I understand the value in it, particularly where you consider nationalism and national identity. But my point is that traditional values are, and always have been, part of this propaganda. It’s not something that can be denied.
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But progressives always know better, and aren't remotely swayed by propaganda in any way?
Naziism and fascism were deemed progressive in the 1930s ffs.
Honestly, this is about the most arrogant viewpoint I think I've ever come across. It's truly laughable
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 54 seconds ago
I’m not talking about any one system. I’m talking about the value of tradition and how propaganda is used to promote that is GCSE level history.
It’s a debate as old as time - traditionalists vs progressives. It’s something that’s particularly pertinent to England, as it’s a nation obsessed with its history, and Monarchy has been front and centre of that, it’s part of our origin myth.
My argument isn’t about whether that it’s good or bad, I understand the value in it, particularly where you consider nationalism and national identity. But my point is that traditional values are, and always have been, part of this propaganda. It’s not something that can be denied.
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So you thinking that the monarchy is taught here in a misleading and biased fashion? All of the historic barbarism, sadistic ruling under kings of old, stealing the country’s wealth whilst the poor lived in towns of mud, filth and disease. The wars started, lost, the huge inequalities.
Nah it’s all cups of tea and crumpets, cucumber sandwiches, croquet, horse riding, fox hunting and shooting that is taught for GCSE.
Pre-GSCE years, I was taught through the various monarchies over the last 1000 years or so and there was never a positive spin involved, it was just teaching us the factual events as best we know them and our job was to remember those facts and regurgitate.
This wasn’t nahtzi youth propaganda or North Korean propaganda.
comment by Eagle Fang (U9028)
posted 8 minutes ago
Results from another poll, taken same site as the previous one:
Q: "Have you cried or become teary/welled up at any point due to the death of the Queen?"
I have = 44%
I have not = 54%
Don’t know = 2%
Got to admit, thought it would be higher than 44% given the carry on.
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I did admit to crying at Morrison’s lowering their checkout beeping sound in respect of the queen. I cried in pain.
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Royalist have been brainwashed by propaganda.
Non royalists can see through it with their superior intelligence.
They think
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It's hilarious.
Brexiteers said the same about Remainers.
Remainers said the same about Brexiteers.
Tories say the same about Labour voters.
Labour voters say the same about Tories...
How stupid, arrogant and bigoted are people to believe that the only possible way somebody can think different to them is because they've been misled by propaganda.
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It's not stupid, arrogant or bigoted - I don't think I have superior intellect at all. There's just a hell of a lot of true-believer/traditionalist types when it comes to the monarchy and I don't believe they've ever questioned what they've been told.
WWI and WWII are good examples of how our history classes made us out to be 100% perfect angels, and didn't give us the truth, which is more nuanced obviously.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
If North Korea stopped the whole country to mourn the loss of a leader and arrested people holding up signs in protest, everyone would be mocking them.
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The whole country hasn't been stopped. It is at employers discretion. I will be working on Monday as will the majority of my staff - only 1 out of 14 has asked for it off.
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Also would you mock the state funeral of JFK? Charles de Gaulle? Hirohito? Prince Henrik?
Why do we pretend that what's happening in the UK doesn't have in every country for particular dignitaries?
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If they were arresting people for holding up signs to give the appearance that the person was universally loved, then yeah I probably would.
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Do you think it is acceptable to shout abuse as a coffin is passing by?
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Personally, no. Its not illegal, but could be seen as breaching the peace in that instance. That one I am less concerned about.
I more concerned about the arrests of people holding signs or asking who elected Charles to be honest. Do you think that is acceptable?
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Seeing as monarchs have never been elected it’s an incredibly stupid question to be asking.
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m not talking about any one system. I’m talking about the value of tradition and how propaganda is used to promote that is GCSE level history.
It’s a debate as old as time - traditionalists vs progressives. It’s something that’s particularly pertinent to England, as it’s a nation obsessed with its history, and Monarchy has been front and centre of that, it’s part of our origin myth.
My argument isn’t about whether that it’s good or bad, I understand the value in it, particularly where you consider nationalism and national identity. But my point is that traditional values are, and always have been, part of this propaganda. It’s not something that can be denied.
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Fair enough. When you said 'valuing tradition is part of the propaganda' I took it to mean that valuing tradition at all required propaganda. That's certainly how it reads to me, anyway.
And besides, as others have said, it's not misleading if you do care about that stuff. It's not misleading to suggest there's value in it (as you appear to agree) so it doesn't qualify as propaganda anyway.
Sigh. I’m saying that understanding propaganda and how tradition is used to promote it is GCSE level history. I’ve not commented on what is taught in school.
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
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If the press were doing their duty and presenting a balanced view - even 75% all-consuming love of the monarchy vs. 25% indifferent or actively against, that would be fair - but they're not, so why are they giving us biased news? - especially the BBC who are 'impartial' apparently
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
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If the press were doing their duty and presenting a balanced view - even 75% all-consuming love of the monarchy vs. 25% indifferent or actively against, that would be fair - but they're not, so why are they giving us biased news? - especially the BBC who are 'impartial' apparently
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Yeah it seems like you've got a reason to be annoyed tbf. Doesn't qualify what they're showing as propaganda, though.
Bales, but it is misleading. Just because it may have value doesn’t mean it isn’t, and it also depends on how much value you feel it has.
Take Brexit, for example. The issue of sovereignty was something people think had value, and still do, even though it was quite clearly misleading.
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
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If the press were doing their duty and presenting a balanced view - even 75% all-consuming love of the monarchy vs. 25% indifferent or actively against, that would be fair - but they're not, so why are they giving us biased news? - especially the BBC who are 'impartial' apparently
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Yeah it seems like you've got a reason to be annoyed tbf. Doesn't qualify what they're showing as propaganda, though.
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I'd say in general, BBC coverage of the monarchy in recent years hasn't exactly been favourable. Running coverage of Harry / Meghan and then the Prince Andrew debacle have dominated royal family related headlines.
Maybe the coverage at the moment is simply respectful during the time between the Queen dying and her funeral?
And maybe the constant coverage is because there are multiple constitutional and ceremonial events happening daily which we've not seen in 70 years that people find interesting?
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 10 seconds ago
Bales, but it is misleading. Just because it may have value doesn’t mean it isn’t, and it also depends on how much value you feel it has.
Take Brexit, for example. The issue of sovereignty was something people think had value, and still do, even though it was quite clearly misleading.
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Ah but they didn't campaign on the value of sovereignty though, did they? Not to get the masses of tabloid-reading swing voters on board. Let's have it right.
I think as Henry points out, the BBC is very good at not showing what it doesn't want to promote and focusing heavily on elements it does, rather than trying to finesse a story or create outright propaganda. It's certainly less than ideal, but I think most often they just don't cover a story if they'd have to lie about it to maintain a narrative.
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
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If the press were doing their duty and presenting a balanced view - even 75% all-consuming love of the monarchy vs. 25% indifferent or actively against, that would be fair - but they're not, so why are they giving us biased news? - especially the BBC who are 'impartial' apparently
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Yeah it seems like you've got a reason to be annoyed tbf. Doesn't qualify what they're showing as propaganda, though.
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They're going on and on about the history, the traditions, the legacy of the Queen and using it to increase support for Charles. It is propaganda.
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Bales, but it is misleading. Just because it may have value doesn’t mean it isn’t, and it also depends on how much value you feel it has.
Take Brexit, for example. The issue of sovereignty was something people think had value, and still do, even though it was quite clearly misleading.
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And there was nothing whatsoever misleading from the remain campaign?
^also, no. The idea of sovereignty having value isn't propaganda
They most certainly did campaign on the value of sovereignty. And it was a campaign going back decades.
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
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If the press were doing their duty and presenting a balanced view - even 75% all-consuming love of the monarchy vs. 25% indifferent or actively against, that would be fair - but they're not, so why are they giving us biased news? - especially the BBC who are 'impartial' apparently
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Yeah it seems like you've got a reason to be annoyed tbf. Doesn't qualify what they're showing as propaganda, though.
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They're going on and on about the history, the traditions, the legacy of the Queen and using it to increase support for Charles. It is propaganda.
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No it's not. You don't like it, but it's not lies.
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posted on 13/9/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 6 minutes ago
Who here is actually going to sit down and watch the funeral on Monday???
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I'll probably walk the dog and then play on my PS5 instead.
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What game?
What breed of dog?
Are you me?!
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Royalist have been brainwashed by propaganda.
Non royalists can see through it with their superior intelligence.
They think
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It's hilarious.
Brexiteers said the same about Remainers.
Remainers said the same about Brexiteers.
Tories say the same about Labour voters.
Labour voters say the same about Tories...
How stupid, arrogant and bigoted are people to believe that the only possible way somebody can think different to them is because they've been misled by propaganda.
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This is the most common defence from people who've been brainwashed by propaganda.
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Royalist have been brainwashed by propaganda.
Non royalists can see through it with their superior intelligence.
They think
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It's hilarious.
Brexiteers said the same about Remainers.
Remainers said the same about Brexiteers.
Tories say the same about Labour voters.
Labour voters say the same about Tories...
How stupid, arrogant and bigoted are people to believe that the only possible way somebody can think different to them is because they've been misled by propaganda.
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This is the most common defence from people who've been brainwashed by propaganda.
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And this is where debate is no longer remotely worthwhile.
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Royalist have been brainwashed by propaganda.
Non royalists can see through it with their superior intelligence.
They think
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It's hilarious.
Brexiteers said the same about Remainers.
Remainers said the same about Brexiteers.
Tories say the same about Labour voters.
Labour voters say the same about Tories...
How stupid, arrogant and bigoted are people to believe that the only possible way somebody can think different to them is because they've been misled by propaganda.
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This is the most common defence from people who've been brainwashed by propaganda.
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And you haven’t been brainwashed by anti-monarchist propaganda?
posted on 13/9/22
I’m not talking about any one system. I’m talking about the value of tradition and how propaganda is used to promote that is GCSE level history.
It’s a debate as old as time - traditionalists vs progressives. It’s something that’s particularly pertinent to England, as it’s a nation obsessed with its history, and Monarchy has been front and centre of that, it’s part of our origin myth.
My argument isn’t about whether that it’s good or bad, I understand the value in it, particularly where you consider nationalism and national identity. But my point is that traditional values are, and always have been, part of this propaganda. It’s not something that can be denied.
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Sadiq Khan (world class mayor) - #JC4PM (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sadiq Khan (world class mayor) - #JC4PM (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
Valuing tradition is part of the propaganda, though. That’s something that can been seen in any culture that wants to promote a certain system.
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Exhibit A right here
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Are you actually going to deny that? It’s GCSE history ffs.
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The current monarchy or valuing tradition wasn’t in my GCSE history. It was essentially WWI & WW2 if memory serves.
I’ll try and put it this way mate, assuming that you’re a football fan. Have you ever been asked why you’re a football fan by a non sports fan? How do you explain it? There are many reasons against being a football fan: being extorted by the teams and companies, it’s just 22 men kicking ball etc etc.
But we love it, we find it entertaining and so on
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Football propaganda is absolutely rife through society though…
posted on 13/9/22
propaganda: information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
Basically, as it's commonly known, deliberately misleading people to achieve a certain goal. In the case of Brexit it was posters of lines of refugees that made you think of immigrants. Big numbers on buses supposedly going to the NHS.
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m not talking about any one system. I’m talking about the value of tradition and how propaganda is used to promote that is GCSE level history.
It’s a debate as old as time - traditionalists vs progressives. It’s something that’s particularly pertinent to England, as it’s a nation obsessed with its history, and Monarchy has been front and centre of that, it’s part of our origin myth.
My argument isn’t about whether that it’s good or bad, I understand the value in it, particularly where you consider nationalism and national identity. But my point is that traditional values are, and always have been, part of this propaganda. It’s not something that can be denied.
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But progressives always know better, and aren't remotely swayed by propaganda in any way?
Naziism and fascism were deemed progressive in the 1930s ffs.
Honestly, this is about the most arrogant viewpoint I think I've ever come across. It's truly laughable
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 54 seconds ago
I’m not talking about any one system. I’m talking about the value of tradition and how propaganda is used to promote that is GCSE level history.
It’s a debate as old as time - traditionalists vs progressives. It’s something that’s particularly pertinent to England, as it’s a nation obsessed with its history, and Monarchy has been front and centre of that, it’s part of our origin myth.
My argument isn’t about whether that it’s good or bad, I understand the value in it, particularly where you consider nationalism and national identity. But my point is that traditional values are, and always have been, part of this propaganda. It’s not something that can be denied.
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So you thinking that the monarchy is taught here in a misleading and biased fashion? All of the historic barbarism, sadistic ruling under kings of old, stealing the country’s wealth whilst the poor lived in towns of mud, filth and disease. The wars started, lost, the huge inequalities.
Nah it’s all cups of tea and crumpets, cucumber sandwiches, croquet, horse riding, fox hunting and shooting that is taught for GCSE.
Pre-GSCE years, I was taught through the various monarchies over the last 1000 years or so and there was never a positive spin involved, it was just teaching us the factual events as best we know them and our job was to remember those facts and regurgitate.
This wasn’t nahtzi youth propaganda or North Korean propaganda.
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Eagle Fang (U9028)
posted 8 minutes ago
Results from another poll, taken same site as the previous one:
Q: "Have you cried or become teary/welled up at any point due to the death of the Queen?"
I have = 44%
I have not = 54%
Don’t know = 2%
Got to admit, thought it would be higher than 44% given the carry on.
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I did admit to crying at Morrison’s lowering their checkout beeping sound in respect of the queen. I cried in pain.
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Royalist have been brainwashed by propaganda.
Non royalists can see through it with their superior intelligence.
They think
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It's hilarious.
Brexiteers said the same about Remainers.
Remainers said the same about Brexiteers.
Tories say the same about Labour voters.
Labour voters say the same about Tories...
How stupid, arrogant and bigoted are people to believe that the only possible way somebody can think different to them is because they've been misled by propaganda.
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It's not stupid, arrogant or bigoted - I don't think I have superior intellect at all. There's just a hell of a lot of true-believer/traditionalist types when it comes to the monarchy and I don't believe they've ever questioned what they've been told.
WWI and WWII are good examples of how our history classes made us out to be 100% perfect angels, and didn't give us the truth, which is more nuanced obviously.
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
If North Korea stopped the whole country to mourn the loss of a leader and arrested people holding up signs in protest, everyone would be mocking them.
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The whole country hasn't been stopped. It is at employers discretion. I will be working on Monday as will the majority of my staff - only 1 out of 14 has asked for it off.
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Also would you mock the state funeral of JFK? Charles de Gaulle? Hirohito? Prince Henrik?
Why do we pretend that what's happening in the UK doesn't have in every country for particular dignitaries?
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If they were arresting people for holding up signs to give the appearance that the person was universally loved, then yeah I probably would.
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Do you think it is acceptable to shout abuse as a coffin is passing by?
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Personally, no. Its not illegal, but could be seen as breaching the peace in that instance. That one I am less concerned about.
I more concerned about the arrests of people holding signs or asking who elected Charles to be honest. Do you think that is acceptable?
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Seeing as monarchs have never been elected it’s an incredibly stupid question to be asking.
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’m not talking about any one system. I’m talking about the value of tradition and how propaganda is used to promote that is GCSE level history.
It’s a debate as old as time - traditionalists vs progressives. It’s something that’s particularly pertinent to England, as it’s a nation obsessed with its history, and Monarchy has been front and centre of that, it’s part of our origin myth.
My argument isn’t about whether that it’s good or bad, I understand the value in it, particularly where you consider nationalism and national identity. But my point is that traditional values are, and always have been, part of this propaganda. It’s not something that can be denied.
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Fair enough. When you said 'valuing tradition is part of the propaganda' I took it to mean that valuing tradition at all required propaganda. That's certainly how it reads to me, anyway.
And besides, as others have said, it's not misleading if you do care about that stuff. It's not misleading to suggest there's value in it (as you appear to agree) so it doesn't qualify as propaganda anyway.
posted on 13/9/22
Sigh. I’m saying that understanding propaganda and how tradition is used to promote it is GCSE level history. I’ve not commented on what is taught in school.
posted on 13/9/22
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
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If the press were doing their duty and presenting a balanced view - even 75% all-consuming love of the monarchy vs. 25% indifferent or actively against, that would be fair - but they're not, so why are they giving us biased news? - especially the BBC who are 'impartial' apparently
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
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If the press were doing their duty and presenting a balanced view - even 75% all-consuming love of the monarchy vs. 25% indifferent or actively against, that would be fair - but they're not, so why are they giving us biased news? - especially the BBC who are 'impartial' apparently
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Yeah it seems like you've got a reason to be annoyed tbf. Doesn't qualify what they're showing as propaganda, though.
posted on 13/9/22
Bales, but it is misleading. Just because it may have value doesn’t mean it isn’t, and it also depends on how much value you feel it has.
Take Brexit, for example. The issue of sovereignty was something people think had value, and still do, even though it was quite clearly misleading.
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
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If the press were doing their duty and presenting a balanced view - even 75% all-consuming love of the monarchy vs. 25% indifferent or actively against, that would be fair - but they're not, so why are they giving us biased news? - especially the BBC who are 'impartial' apparently
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Yeah it seems like you've got a reason to be annoyed tbf. Doesn't qualify what they're showing as propaganda, though.
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I'd say in general, BBC coverage of the monarchy in recent years hasn't exactly been favourable. Running coverage of Harry / Meghan and then the Prince Andrew debacle have dominated royal family related headlines.
Maybe the coverage at the moment is simply respectful during the time between the Queen dying and her funeral?
And maybe the constant coverage is because there are multiple constitutional and ceremonial events happening daily which we've not seen in 70 years that people find interesting?
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 10 seconds ago
Bales, but it is misleading. Just because it may have value doesn’t mean it isn’t, and it also depends on how much value you feel it has.
Take Brexit, for example. The issue of sovereignty was something people think had value, and still do, even though it was quite clearly misleading.
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Ah but they didn't campaign on the value of sovereignty though, did they? Not to get the masses of tabloid-reading swing voters on board. Let's have it right.
I think as Henry points out, the BBC is very good at not showing what it doesn't want to promote and focusing heavily on elements it does, rather than trying to finesse a story or create outright propaganda. It's certainly less than ideal, but I think most often they just don't cover a story if they'd have to lie about it to maintain a narrative.
posted on 13/9/22
Abolish the Monarchy
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
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If the press were doing their duty and presenting a balanced view - even 75% all-consuming love of the monarchy vs. 25% indifferent or actively against, that would be fair - but they're not, so why are they giving us biased news? - especially the BBC who are 'impartial' apparently
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Yeah it seems like you've got a reason to be annoyed tbf. Doesn't qualify what they're showing as propaganda, though.
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They're going on and on about the history, the traditions, the legacy of the Queen and using it to increase support for Charles. It is propaganda.
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Marcus The Triumvir Antony (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Bales, but it is misleading. Just because it may have value doesn’t mean it isn’t, and it also depends on how much value you feel it has.
Take Brexit, for example. The issue of sovereignty was something people think had value, and still do, even though it was quite clearly misleading.
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And there was nothing whatsoever misleading from the remain campaign?
posted on 13/9/22
^also, no. The idea of sovereignty having value isn't propaganda
posted on 13/9/22
They most certainly did campaign on the value of sovereignty. And it was a campaign going back decades.
posted on 13/9/22
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 minute ago
Certainly the news coverage of the Queen's death is overwhelming and irritating if you're not interested but can anyone demonstrate the misleading element to it?
'It's propaganda because I disagree with it' seems to be the argument here
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If the press were doing their duty and presenting a balanced view - even 75% all-consuming love of the monarchy vs. 25% indifferent or actively against, that would be fair - but they're not, so why are they giving us biased news? - especially the BBC who are 'impartial' apparently
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Yeah it seems like you've got a reason to be annoyed tbf. Doesn't qualify what they're showing as propaganda, though.
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They're going on and on about the history, the traditions, the legacy of the Queen and using it to increase support for Charles. It is propaganda.
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No it's not. You don't like it, but it's not lies.
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