comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
Live in a cave, wash in streams, forage for food and basically cut themselves off entirely from everyday society, just so they can’t be called hypocrites?
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I'd actually love to do that... Actually being able to do it in a legal way is next to impossible. As you say, we are trapped in a system that does not allow us to stay too far away from the corporate machine to that point where it would be illegal to just live off the land unless you already own said land (and even then, it's very difficult and still requires things like council tax, which gets spent on oil based items).
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The one thing I would say is that if any protesters aren’t really making any changes in their own lives - cars, flying, meat etc - then they leave themselves open to some criticism. But to expect ‘a 100% oil-free life’ is madness.
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Exactly.
Just Stop Oil aren't advocating a completely oil-free life. I'm not aware of any single campaign group or notable campaigner that is. Not one.
Wouldn't it be great if people listened to what these campaigners are actually saying, rather than relying on mischaracterisations made by commentators in the Mail and Express.
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They're saying 'me me me me', you're ruining 'my future', 'how dare you!' while living in a first world country.
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"Me me me me me!" they scream, as they're arrested, they're charged, they're prosecuted, they lose their jobs and careers, and they sacrifice their future earning potentials for a cause they stand to benefit zero from personally.
The concept of sacrificing anything for the greater good is lost on people like N2 which, perhaps, helps to explain part of the climate problem.
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
Live in a cave, wash in streams, forage for food and basically cut themselves off entirely from everyday society, just so they can’t be called hypocrites?
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I'd actually love to do that... Actually being able to do it in a legal way is next to impossible. As you say, we are trapped in a system that does not allow us to stay too far away from the corporate machine to that point where it would be illegal to just live off the land unless you already own said land (and even then, it's very difficult and still requires things like council tax, which gets spent on oil based items).
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The one thing I would say is that if any protesters aren’t really making any changes in their own lives - cars, flying, meat etc - then they leave themselves open to some criticism. But to expect ‘a 100% oil-free life’ is madness.
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Exactly.
Just Stop Oil aren't advocating a completely oil-free life. I'm not aware of any single campaign group or notable campaigner that is. Not one.
Wouldn't it be great if people listened to what these campaigners are actually saying, rather than relying on mischaracterisations made by commentators in the Mail and Express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're saying 'me me me me', you're ruining 'my future', 'how dare you!' while living in a first world country.
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"Me me me me me!" they scream, as they're arrested, they're charged, they're prosecuted, they lose their jobs and careers, and they sacrifice their future earning potentials for a cause they stand to benefit zero from personally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What jobs? 😄
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
The concept of sacrificing anything for the greater good is lost on people like N2 which, perhaps, helps to explain part of the climate problem.
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I'm all for sacrifice if the goals are realistic.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
The concept of sacrificing anything for the greater good is lost on people like N2 which, perhaps, helps to explain part of the climate problem.
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I'm all for sacrifice if the goals are realistic.
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As if you know enough to call it unrealistic.
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
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The Tories did tell everyone they’ll be authoritarian but still people voted for them. Any Tory that what’s to pretend they value democracy can get in the bin.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
The concept of sacrificing anything for the greater good is lost on people like N2 which, perhaps, helps to explain part of the climate problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm all for sacrifice if the goals are realistic.
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What's unrealistic about not granting new exploration licences and transitioning towards ending reliance on fossil fuels please? Specifically.
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're too busy on Netflix, social media and so on.
It's easy to push authoritarian measures on a materialistic and distracted population.
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
The concept of sacrificing anything for the greater good is lost on people like N2 which, perhaps, helps to explain part of the climate problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm all for sacrifice if the goals are realistic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's unrealistic about not granting new exploration licences and transitioning towards ending reliance on fossil fuels please? Specifically.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have you not met the British government?
Allow me to introduce you; Rosso, meet the Tories. Tories, meet our resident left wing activist, Rosso.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're too busy on Netflix, social media and so on.
It's easy to push authoritarian measures on a materialistic and distracted population.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you just use the caricature of spoilt millennials to explain why the country voted for a plainly authoritarian and mendacious Tory party?
...Tory voters weren't on Netflix, they were too busy on Facebook sharing memes about how life was better when everyone had to do National Service and they had hanging for petty theft.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're too busy on Netflix, social media and so on.
It's easy to push authoritarian measures on a materialistic and distracted population.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you just use the caricature of spoilt millennials to explain why the country voted for a plainly authoritarian and mendacious Tory party?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The bloke is such an idiot.
Yeah feck them. The only people who can do anything about climate change are politicians, so hurt them not innocent people going about their day.
All these protestors are going to do is force changes to policing which restrict or make criminals of future protestors.
Yeah let’s blame protesters for the authoritarian policies of the government.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
@RR - I wansn't meaning to make it left v right but I do think that there is a certain section of environmentalists that are. That their deep roots in this climate change discussion is borne out of their despise of capitalism and that they truly want an authoritarian government control.
I'm not saying that EVERY ennvironmentalist is doing this nor that EVERY left-leaning person is an environmnetalist because of their political / economic viewpoint but in a venn diagram, there will be a section that is both.
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Agreed SatNav.
I think it was you earlier in this thread who made the connection between environmentalism and opposing capitalism. I don't know the truth behind it, but I suppose it's logical that if you are a socialist, you'll find it harder to get behind ideas that involve regulating the economy more for the common good. Conversely, if you're committed to free market capitalism, you may find it harder to swallow, and may listen more carefully to people claiming that the science isn't settled or it's a commie plot.
As to the 'overpopulation' question we were originally discussing, as far as I know, this is a pretty fringe view within environmentalist circles (for the reasons I mentioned before). I'm also not aware of any mainstream left or centre-right political parties that talk about overpopulation. To my incomplete knowledge, it's basically a marginal view at the moment + spouted by people on the internet / in the pub who maybe come from a place of ignorance rather than ideology.
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I think it’s the proposed solutions and the level of consequences that people differ on.
Agreed on the logic you set out, it is pretty straightforward to expect it to break down that way in general.
I think the overpopulation opinion is a little more mainstream than you do. AOC famously talked about it, she’s the pin-up girl for a lot of people on this kind of topic and rarely does she come across as fully informed, polished or credible but in a social media world of 280 characters her points get gobbled up.
This concern surrounding overpopulation has been around for a very long time. We were due to run out of food decades ago. It’s the same Malthusian theory regurgitated time and time again.
These millennials are something else… constantly watching Netflix, but also outside gluing themselves to roads while planning terrorist attacks.
Brave to them
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
I saw one of the Just Stop Oil protesters’ videos on Twitter. One person commenting - as far as I could tell, in all seriousness - was saying that the rims of her glasses would have been made in a factory using fossil fuels, ergo she’s a hypocrite.
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At the same time, are we supposed to listen to this?
https://youtu.be/acOtj5cXU6E
I mean seriously….
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 39 seconds ago
Yeah feck them. The only people who can do anything about climate change are politicians, so hurt them not innocent people going about their day.
All these protestors are going to do is force changes to policing which restrict or make criminals of future protestors.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're Tories have already done that.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
I saw one of the Just Stop Oil protesters’ videos on Twitter. One person commenting - as far as I could tell, in all seriousness - was saying that the rims of her glasses would have been made in a factory using fossil fuels, ergo she’s a hypocrite.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the same time, are we supposed to listen to this?
https://youtu.be/acOtj5cXU6E
I mean seriously….
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What’s she crying for, is she scared of heights?
SatNav, I wasn't aware of AOC's comments on the subject and Googled it. Is the following quote what you're referring to?
“It is basically a scientific consensus that the lives of our children are going to be very difficult, and it does lead young people to have a legitimate question: is it OK to still have children?”
If so, I wouldn't categorise this as quite the same: seems to be an element of 'why bring a child into this terrible world?' in the remark, rather than explicitly blaming overpopulation for climate change. But maybe there are other comments too.
By the way, I'm not always impressed by AOC and her allies. In particular their lukewarm stance on support for Ukraine.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're too busy on Netflix, social media and so on.
It's easy to push authoritarian measures on a materialistic and distracted population.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you just use the caricature of spoilt millennials to explain why the country voted for a plainly authoritarian and mendacious Tory party?
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No, I'm referring to hedonism. If you think a hedonistic population are going to bring about change for the good, then you're severely mistaken.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
I saw one of the Just Stop Oil protesters’ videos on Twitter. One person commenting - as far as I could tell, in all seriousness - was saying that the rims of her glasses would have been made in a factory using fossil fuels, ergo she’s a hypocrite.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the same time, are we supposed to listen to this?
https://youtu.be/acOtj5cXU6E
I mean seriously….
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See Clockie, I didn't even have to watch a video by them to sum them up perfectly. A no tears tantrum or what?!
“and it does lead young people to have a legitimate question: is it OK to still have children?””
Then they should also research our under population problem.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 39 seconds ago
Yeah feck them. The only people who can do anything about climate change are politicians, so hurt them not innocent people going about their day.
All these protestors are going to do is force changes to policing which restrict or make criminals of future protestors.
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You're Tories have already done that.
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My tories?
I said go for the politicians who make the decisions you plum.
Sign in if you want to comment
Fack the protestors
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posted on 8/11/22
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
Live in a cave, wash in streams, forage for food and basically cut themselves off entirely from everyday society, just so they can’t be called hypocrites?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd actually love to do that... Actually being able to do it in a legal way is next to impossible. As you say, we are trapped in a system that does not allow us to stay too far away from the corporate machine to that point where it would be illegal to just live off the land unless you already own said land (and even then, it's very difficult and still requires things like council tax, which gets spent on oil based items).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The one thing I would say is that if any protesters aren’t really making any changes in their own lives - cars, flying, meat etc - then they leave themselves open to some criticism. But to expect ‘a 100% oil-free life’ is madness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly.
Just Stop Oil aren't advocating a completely oil-free life. I'm not aware of any single campaign group or notable campaigner that is. Not one.
Wouldn't it be great if people listened to what these campaigners are actually saying, rather than relying on mischaracterisations made by commentators in the Mail and Express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're saying 'me me me me', you're ruining 'my future', 'how dare you!' while living in a first world country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Me me me me me!" they scream, as they're arrested, they're charged, they're prosecuted, they lose their jobs and careers, and they sacrifice their future earning potentials for a cause they stand to benefit zero from personally.
posted on 8/11/22
The concept of sacrificing anything for the greater good is lost on people like N2 which, perhaps, helps to explain part of the climate problem.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
Live in a cave, wash in streams, forage for food and basically cut themselves off entirely from everyday society, just so they can’t be called hypocrites?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd actually love to do that... Actually being able to do it in a legal way is next to impossible. As you say, we are trapped in a system that does not allow us to stay too far away from the corporate machine to that point where it would be illegal to just live off the land unless you already own said land (and even then, it's very difficult and still requires things like council tax, which gets spent on oil based items).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The one thing I would say is that if any protesters aren’t really making any changes in their own lives - cars, flying, meat etc - then they leave themselves open to some criticism. But to expect ‘a 100% oil-free life’ is madness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly.
Just Stop Oil aren't advocating a completely oil-free life. I'm not aware of any single campaign group or notable campaigner that is. Not one.
Wouldn't it be great if people listened to what these campaigners are actually saying, rather than relying on mischaracterisations made by commentators in the Mail and Express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're saying 'me me me me', you're ruining 'my future', 'how dare you!' while living in a first world country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Me me me me me!" they scream, as they're arrested, they're charged, they're prosecuted, they lose their jobs and careers, and they sacrifice their future earning potentials for a cause they stand to benefit zero from personally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What jobs? 😄
posted on 8/11/22
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
The concept of sacrificing anything for the greater good is lost on people like N2 which, perhaps, helps to explain part of the climate problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm all for sacrifice if the goals are realistic.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
The concept of sacrificing anything for the greater good is lost on people like N2 which, perhaps, helps to explain part of the climate problem.
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I'm all for sacrifice if the goals are realistic.
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As if you know enough to call it unrealistic.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Tories did tell everyone they’ll be authoritarian but still people voted for them. Any Tory that what’s to pretend they value democracy can get in the bin.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
The concept of sacrificing anything for the greater good is lost on people like N2 which, perhaps, helps to explain part of the climate problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm all for sacrifice if the goals are realistic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's unrealistic about not granting new exploration licences and transitioning towards ending reliance on fossil fuels please? Specifically.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're too busy on Netflix, social media and so on.
It's easy to push authoritarian measures on a materialistic and distracted population.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
The concept of sacrificing anything for the greater good is lost on people like N2 which, perhaps, helps to explain part of the climate problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm all for sacrifice if the goals are realistic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What's unrealistic about not granting new exploration licences and transitioning towards ending reliance on fossil fuels please? Specifically.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Have you not met the British government?
Allow me to introduce you; Rosso, meet the Tories. Tories, meet our resident left wing activist, Rosso.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're too busy on Netflix, social media and so on.
It's easy to push authoritarian measures on a materialistic and distracted population.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you just use the caricature of spoilt millennials to explain why the country voted for a plainly authoritarian and mendacious Tory party?
posted on 8/11/22
...Tory voters weren't on Netflix, they were too busy on Facebook sharing memes about how life was better when everyone had to do National Service and they had hanging for petty theft.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're too busy on Netflix, social media and so on.
It's easy to push authoritarian measures on a materialistic and distracted population.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did you just use the caricature of spoilt millennials to explain why the country voted for a plainly authoritarian and mendacious Tory party?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The bloke is such an idiot.
posted on 8/11/22
Yeah feck them. The only people who can do anything about climate change are politicians, so hurt them not innocent people going about their day.
All these protestors are going to do is force changes to policing which restrict or make criminals of future protestors.
posted on 8/11/22
Yeah let’s blame protesters for the authoritarian policies of the government.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
@RR - I wansn't meaning to make it left v right but I do think that there is a certain section of environmentalists that are. That their deep roots in this climate change discussion is borne out of their despise of capitalism and that they truly want an authoritarian government control.
I'm not saying that EVERY ennvironmentalist is doing this nor that EVERY left-leaning person is an environmnetalist because of their political / economic viewpoint but in a venn diagram, there will be a section that is both.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed SatNav.
I think it was you earlier in this thread who made the connection between environmentalism and opposing capitalism. I don't know the truth behind it, but I suppose it's logical that if you are a socialist, you'll find it harder to get behind ideas that involve regulating the economy more for the common good. Conversely, if you're committed to free market capitalism, you may find it harder to swallow, and may listen more carefully to people claiming that the science isn't settled or it's a commie plot.
As to the 'overpopulation' question we were originally discussing, as far as I know, this is a pretty fringe view within environmentalist circles (for the reasons I mentioned before). I'm also not aware of any mainstream left or centre-right political parties that talk about overpopulation. To my incomplete knowledge, it's basically a marginal view at the moment + spouted by people on the internet / in the pub who maybe come from a place of ignorance rather than ideology.
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I think it’s the proposed solutions and the level of consequences that people differ on.
Agreed on the logic you set out, it is pretty straightforward to expect it to break down that way in general.
I think the overpopulation opinion is a little more mainstream than you do. AOC famously talked about it, she’s the pin-up girl for a lot of people on this kind of topic and rarely does she come across as fully informed, polished or credible but in a social media world of 280 characters her points get gobbled up.
This concern surrounding overpopulation has been around for a very long time. We were due to run out of food decades ago. It’s the same Malthusian theory regurgitated time and time again.
posted on 8/11/22
These millennials are something else… constantly watching Netflix, but also outside gluing themselves to roads while planning terrorist attacks.
Brave to them
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
I saw one of the Just Stop Oil protesters’ videos on Twitter. One person commenting - as far as I could tell, in all seriousness - was saying that the rims of her glasses would have been made in a factory using fossil fuels, ergo she’s a hypocrite.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the same time, are we supposed to listen to this?
https://youtu.be/acOtj5cXU6E
I mean seriously….
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 39 seconds ago
Yeah feck them. The only people who can do anything about climate change are politicians, so hurt them not innocent people going about their day.
All these protestors are going to do is force changes to policing which restrict or make criminals of future protestors.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're Tories have already done that.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
I saw one of the Just Stop Oil protesters’ videos on Twitter. One person commenting - as far as I could tell, in all seriousness - was saying that the rims of her glasses would have been made in a factory using fossil fuels, ergo she’s a hypocrite.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the same time, are we supposed to listen to this?
https://youtu.be/acOtj5cXU6E
I mean seriously….
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What’s she crying for, is she scared of heights?
posted on 8/11/22
SatNav, I wasn't aware of AOC's comments on the subject and Googled it. Is the following quote what you're referring to?
“It is basically a scientific consensus that the lives of our children are going to be very difficult, and it does lead young people to have a legitimate question: is it OK to still have children?”
If so, I wouldn't categorise this as quite the same: seems to be an element of 'why bring a child into this terrible world?' in the remark, rather than explicitly blaming overpopulation for climate change. But maybe there are other comments too.
By the way, I'm not always impressed by AOC and her allies. In particular their lukewarm stance on support for Ukraine.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 minutes ago
Police now arresting journalists - with press ID - under PACE for independently filming protests:
https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1589838847642243072?t=fCYi4dWUpFDYLIs-OCC36g&s=19
This government and the powers they're bestowing on themselves and the police are both facking dangerous.
I don't know how many times people are going to need to be told this.
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They're too busy on Netflix, social media and so on.
It's easy to push authoritarian measures on a materialistic and distracted population.
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Did you just use the caricature of spoilt millennials to explain why the country voted for a plainly authoritarian and mendacious Tory party?
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No, I'm referring to hedonism. If you think a hedonistic population are going to bring about change for the good, then you're severely mistaken.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
I saw one of the Just Stop Oil protesters’ videos on Twitter. One person commenting - as far as I could tell, in all seriousness - was saying that the rims of her glasses would have been made in a factory using fossil fuels, ergo she’s a hypocrite.
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At the same time, are we supposed to listen to this?
https://youtu.be/acOtj5cXU6E
I mean seriously….
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See Clockie, I didn't even have to watch a video by them to sum them up perfectly. A no tears tantrum or what?!
posted on 8/11/22
“and it does lead young people to have a legitimate question: is it OK to still have children?””
Then they should also research our under population problem.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 39 seconds ago
Yeah feck them. The only people who can do anything about climate change are politicians, so hurt them not innocent people going about their day.
All these protestors are going to do is force changes to policing which restrict or make criminals of future protestors.
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You're Tories have already done that.
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My tories?
I said go for the politicians who make the decisions you plum.
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