comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
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This, I really don't agree with.
It's an absolute lie that younger children care more about climate change than their elders.
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An 'absolute lie'?
It's useful to caveat that you shouldn't apply the generalisation to the individual, but public surveys and electoral statistics tell us that throughout the developed world at least younger people are more worried about climate change than older people, are more likely to advocate radical adaptation to limit its effects, and vote in larger numbers for parties and candidates that put green policies high on their agenda.
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
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This, I really don't agree with.
It's an absolute lie that younger children care more about climate change than their elders.
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Largest ever global survey:
https://www.undp.org/sites/g/files/zskgke326/files/publications/UNDP-Oxford-Peoples-Climate-Vote-Results.pdf
(Skip to page 56.)
UK (ONS):
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/articles/threequartersofadultsingreatbritainworryaboutclimatechange/2021-11-05
US:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/26/key-findings-how-americans-attitudes-about-climate-change-differ-by-generation-party-and-other-factors/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/492507/concerns-about-climate-change-united-states-by-age-group/
There are scores of these Winston. Find me one survey that shows that older generations are as concerned as younger ones.
The question won’t be about opinions in any case. It’ll be:
“Why, when you knew what was happening, and you knew what the outcomes were going to be, did you do nothing? For decades?”
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What generation are you Rosso?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
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This, I really don't agree with.
It's an absolute lie that younger children care more about climate change than their elders.
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Sadly, there's probably some truth in this. That rosso can fairly list three generations who "failed" kind of suggests it's human nature.
Whatever else tackling climate breakdown might involve, it means individuals consuming less. Actively choosing to go a few years without flying, instead of two foreign holidays a year; getting rid of cars and walking, cycling or using public transport; cutting or giving up red meat. I'm sure there are plenty of young people who wouldn't consider any of those.
People have died as a direct result of climate change too
...
you do realise climate change is natural
were still in an ice age as there is ice at both poles
the human race has sped up the rate of the thawing but in the scheme of things its minimal - weve effectively taken a few hundred years off of a few million years process
you cant reverse global warming
but we have a planet full of technology and civil engineers
the best course of action is to build civilisation to be ahead of the curve
to do that we need to continue to mine the materials to do so. its a vicious circle but its only to protect against the inevitable
once the natural global warming cycle is complete there will be no human life anyway whether thats in a few hundred years or a few thousand
humans seem to think we have a right to eternally populating a dieing rock lol
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 3 minutes ago
And what is the plan with China & India as you understand it?
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I know this is obviously one of the big questions. I guess people like Just Stop Oil largely want to get climate to the very top of the political agenda over here first of all. I suppose with system change you have to start where you are.
I think China are also leaders in renewables, for what it's worth. There's a common idea that they're not really doing anything about emissions etc, but they are.
https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/china-says-third-electricity-will-come-renewables-by-2025-2022-06-01/
https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-will-chinas-new-renewable-energy-plan-lead-to-an-early-emissions-peak/
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Yes they're spending on renewables
They are still the highest co2 emitter by DOUBLE the US which is number two. India will be on the rise and then we have ALLL the other developing countries.
Public investment in innovation will be the key, it always is. Well, it has been thus far.
I disagree with the notion of start where you are. I get what you mean but if we are to destroy our economy, more than it is already, when we are 17th in the world and dropping would be a Pyrrhic victory imo.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 22 seconds ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
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Sorry I can't agree Rosso.
People of my generation didn't know about global warming during our careers.
We rebuilt the UK after the war.
I began with one weeks holiday that soon became two weeks where it stayed for years.
Having then collected a paltry pension at 65,i don't feel I should be the target of the young.
Some governments should be though
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Maybe not early in the careers of your generation, 52; but I knew enough about climate change when I left uni, more than 20 years ago, to know that we needed to act immediately.
The Skeptical Environmentalist was published (and was busy being torn apart by climate scientists) in 2001. The science was settled more than a generation ago, and yet this is still somehow a public debate.
So there are no exceptions then Rosso, all people of my age group, and others, are equally to blame. And can expect sheite from our car owning grand children
I’m right at the back end of Gen X, 52.
but even if closing all oil fields was somehow going to save the planet there picking the wrong targets
the amount of fossill fuels uk uses against china america etc is absolutely miniscule
uk could go zero carbon and it wouldnt make a dent
these protesters are better off just living there life staying out of jail and leaving everyone else to get on with there life how they chose
that or go and front it out with china
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
So there are no exceptions then Rosso, all people of my age group, and others, are equally to blame. And can expect sheite from our car owning grand children
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Boomers, Gen X and Millennials have failed, miserably, to take an existential threat and environmental ruin remotely seriously.
Younger generations will judge us, and we should be prepared for that to happen. I won’t blame them for blaming us. It’s happening already, and I sympathise with them greatly.
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 minutes ago
but even if closing all oil fields was somehow going to save the planet there picking the wrong targets
the amount of fossill fuels uk uses against china america etc is absolutely miniscule
uk could go zero carbon and it wouldnt make a dent
these protesters are better off just living there life staying out of jail and leaving everyone else to get on with there life how they chose
that or go and front it out with china
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Quite.
Which is why the room always goes quiet when the question about China & India is put to them.
(clockwork aside who is having a fair back and forth about this)
I disagree with the notion of start where you are. I get what you mean but if we are to destroy our economy, more than it is already, when we are 17th in the world and dropping would be a Pyrrhic victory imo.
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You're not wrong, which is why so many self-professed "doomers" exist in the climate community. They recognise that what solutions or mitigations we might have only cause more problems and that, where we are now, you can't do right for doing wrong.
None of which, sadly, changes the things we're all likely to be facing within five years.
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 4 minutes ago
People have died as a direct result of climate change too
...
you do realise climate change is natural
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No, I don't.
This current warming cycle is clearly human created. The consensus is almost unanimous.
Some of the comments on this thread are exactly the reason they are protesting. No one is listening and only care their own insignificant lives. So you were a bit late to work, who cares? The alternative if we do nothing is far far worse. If I had kids, I'd be genuinely terrified for their future.
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
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This, I really don't agree with.
It's an absolute lie that younger children care more about climate change than their elders.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Largest ever global survey:
https://www.undp.org/sites/g/files/zskgke326/files/publications/UNDP-Oxford-Peoples-Climate-Vote-Results.pdf
(Skip to page 56.)
UK (ONS):
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/articles/threequartersofadultsingreatbritainworryaboutclimatechange/2021-11-05
US:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/26/key-findings-how-americans-attitudes-about-climate-change-differ-by-generation-party-and-other-factors/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/492507/concerns-about-climate-change-united-states-by-age-group/
There are scores of these Winston. Find me one survey that shows that older generations are as concerned as younger ones.
The question won’t be about opinions in any case. It’ll be:
“Why, when you knew what was happening, and you knew what the outcomes were going to be, did you do nothing? For decades?”
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Yes… what people say they’re concerned with and what they arguably show they’re concerned with, via their actions, are two different things.
People like Rosso like to look at everything through a very MICRO lens. It's extremely dogmatic and unrealistic, which is ultimately why people like him are so confused as to why the majority do not agree with him and why so many labelled generations have apparently 'failed'.
These things have huge consequences.
Clean air vs less people starving to death
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 4 minutes ago
People have died as a direct result of climate change too
...
you do realise climate change is natural
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No, I don't.
This current warming cycle is clearly human created. The consensus is almost unanimous.
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So many people say that climate changed naturally before humans (true) and seem to believe that this means humans can't contribute to/accelerate climate change. It's a logically absurd leap.
Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
You think consumption in younger people is less?
No chance.
Have a look around you... look at who is using their car for short journeys vs who is walking... look at who is buying fast food... shall I go on?
People are very quick to tell you how much they care on social media - doesn't mean they actually care enough to put themselves out.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 seconds ago
Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
You think consumption in younger people is less?
No chance.
Have a look around you... look at who is using their car for short journeys vs who is walking... look at who is buying fast food... shall I go on?
People are very quick to tell you how much they care on social media - doesn't mean they actually care enough to put themselves out.
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I think I was agreeing with you
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 seconds ago
Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
You think consumption in younger people is less?
No chance.
Have a look around you... look at who is using their car for short journeys vs who is walking... look at who is buying fast food... shall I go on?
People are very quick to tell you how much they care on social media - doesn't mean they actually care enough to put themselves out.
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I think I was agreeing with you
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Sorry, was replying to the wrong person.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
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This, I really don't agree with.
It's an absolute lie that younger children care more about climate change than their elders.
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An 'absolute lie'?
It's useful to caveat that you shouldn't apply the generalisation to the individual, but public surveys and electoral statistics tell us that throughout the developed world at least younger people are more worried about climate change than older people, are more likely to advocate radical adaptation to limit its effects, and vote in larger numbers for parties and candidates that put green policies high on their agenda.
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Yes, an absolute lie.
People's survey answers are a lie.
Myth 1. “Small islands are doomed by rising sea levels”
We constantly hear Micronesia, the Maldives or Seychelles or something is going to be flooded and they’re only like a metre or two metres above sea level…What happens is most of these islands are coral islands, so they have actually occurred because they break off dead coral when there’s storms and wash it ashore. That accretes to the island and makes the island higher. At the same time, of course, a sea level rise makes the island lower. But it turns out that at least for now, and probably in the foreseeable future, the accretion is higher than the sea level rise.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 2: “Extreme weather events are killing more people”
If you take a graph of how many people die from climate related disasters, we have good data for that for the last 100 years. In the 1920s, about half a million people died each and every year from climate disasters. A lot of them were floods and droughts, especially in China and India that you’ve never heard of. What’s happened since then is that it’s declined dramatically. So in the 2010s, we were down to 18,000 deaths, so about 96% reduction in deaths. And last year, it was down to 14,000 or so in 2020. And in 2021, we don’t obviously have the whole year yet, but it looks like 2021 is set to be even lower at about 6000.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 3: “Climate lockdowns are a good solution”
The first thing to realise is despite the fact that we shut down the entire world in 2020, we still emitted almost as much. We probably cut our emissions about 6% globally. That’s because we still have to heat our homes. We sat at home and Zoomed instead and used electricity in that way. So when you shut down one thing you end up doing something else. And so yes, you can cut your emissions a little bit. But it turns out that it’s really hard to shut down dramatically. For example, when China was most shut down, it still emitted 84% of its normal emissions.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 4: “Electric cars don’t harm the environment”
Electric cars are being sold as net zero. But what they actually are is that they’re zero when they’re driving. But much of the energy that you tank up your car, unless you live in Norway, is basically fossil fuel. And of course, most of the battery is produced in China or somewhere else where it emitted a lot of co2 typically from coal fired power plants.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 5: “Polar bears are going extinct on melting ice caps”
First of all, remember the polar bears lived through the last time there was probably no ice in the Arctic, which was five to eight thousand years ago. So clearly, it’s not the end of the world for them. But also, and we need to recognise we’re still seeing a trending upwards of polar bears…We’ve probably gone from somewhere between five and ten thousand polar bears, up till today, where we have about 25,000 polar bears
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 6: “Stop eating meat to save the planet”
The reality is that going meat free is only going to do a little bit for climate. We often hear that, ‘Oh, it’s 50% of your food intake’, and you only hear the 50% so you can apparently reduce 50%. But it’s only 50% of your food emissions. So the reality is, when you look at the total impact it’s about 4%.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 7: “Wildfires are getting worse, and proof of climate change”
We’ve actually seen that wildfire has been declining in amount of burnt area pretty much every year since 1900…Overall, Australia for instance had one of its lowest burns ever. It used to burn in the early 1900s about 12% of the area of Australia every year. It went down to about 6-8%, typically in the early 2000s. In 2019/20 it burned a little less than 4%
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 1 minute ago
Some of the comments on this thread are exactly the reason they are protesting. No one is listening and only care their own insignificant lives. So you were a bit late to work, who cares? The alternative if we do nothing is far far worse. If I had kids, I'd be genuinely terrified for their future.
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Their lives are no more insignificant than anyone else.
To live a green life can be very difficult. I could not have done my job without a car for example. I try in little ways, buy local etc, and walk everywhere when possible, which is 90% of the time.
But I still went on holiday by plane.
How do environmentalists live there lives, now and in the past.
How about you Hawkeye?
Rosso?
Electric cars aren't the answer and I don't think many serious climate commentators think they are. I see them being dismissed as a way of allowing the automobile industry to continue "BAU" while appearing greener.
This current warming cycle is clearly human created. The consensus is almost unanimous.
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human assisted ill give you
there are plenty of examples of geological climate change over the millenia
some of it is warming some of it is cooling
as well as geology there are studies of ocean sediments tree rings and coral reefs which all show natual climate changes over the last 650000 years
there is also strong evidence that the sun is getting hotter and will continue to get hotter until it becomes luminous and wipes out all life on earth
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posted on 8/11/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This, I really don't agree with.
It's an absolute lie that younger children care more about climate change than their elders.
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An 'absolute lie'?
It's useful to caveat that you shouldn't apply the generalisation to the individual, but public surveys and electoral statistics tell us that throughout the developed world at least younger people are more worried about climate change than older people, are more likely to advocate radical adaptation to limit its effects, and vote in larger numbers for parties and candidates that put green policies high on their agenda.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This, I really don't agree with.
It's an absolute lie that younger children care more about climate change than their elders.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Largest ever global survey:
https://www.undp.org/sites/g/files/zskgke326/files/publications/UNDP-Oxford-Peoples-Climate-Vote-Results.pdf
(Skip to page 56.)
UK (ONS):
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/articles/threequartersofadultsingreatbritainworryaboutclimatechange/2021-11-05
US:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/26/key-findings-how-americans-attitudes-about-climate-change-differ-by-generation-party-and-other-factors/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/492507/concerns-about-climate-change-united-states-by-age-group/
There are scores of these Winston. Find me one survey that shows that older generations are as concerned as younger ones.
The question won’t be about opinions in any case. It’ll be:
“Why, when you knew what was happening, and you knew what the outcomes were going to be, did you do nothing? For decades?”
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What generation are you Rosso?
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This, I really don't agree with.
It's an absolute lie that younger children care more about climate change than their elders.
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Sadly, there's probably some truth in this. That rosso can fairly list three generations who "failed" kind of suggests it's human nature.
Whatever else tackling climate breakdown might involve, it means individuals consuming less. Actively choosing to go a few years without flying, instead of two foreign holidays a year; getting rid of cars and walking, cycling or using public transport; cutting or giving up red meat. I'm sure there are plenty of young people who wouldn't consider any of those.
posted on 8/11/22
People have died as a direct result of climate change too
...
you do realise climate change is natural
were still in an ice age as there is ice at both poles
the human race has sped up the rate of the thawing but in the scheme of things its minimal - weve effectively taken a few hundred years off of a few million years process
you cant reverse global warming
but we have a planet full of technology and civil engineers
the best course of action is to build civilisation to be ahead of the curve
to do that we need to continue to mine the materials to do so. its a vicious circle but its only to protect against the inevitable
once the natural global warming cycle is complete there will be no human life anyway whether thats in a few hundred years or a few thousand
humans seem to think we have a right to eternally populating a dieing rock lol
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 3 minutes ago
And what is the plan with China & India as you understand it?
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I know this is obviously one of the big questions. I guess people like Just Stop Oil largely want to get climate to the very top of the political agenda over here first of all. I suppose with system change you have to start where you are.
I think China are also leaders in renewables, for what it's worth. There's a common idea that they're not really doing anything about emissions etc, but they are.
https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/china-says-third-electricity-will-come-renewables-by-2025-2022-06-01/
https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-will-chinas-new-renewable-energy-plan-lead-to-an-early-emissions-peak/
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Yes they're spending on renewables
They are still the highest co2 emitter by DOUBLE the US which is number two. India will be on the rise and then we have ALLL the other developing countries.
Public investment in innovation will be the key, it always is. Well, it has been thus far.
I disagree with the notion of start where you are. I get what you mean but if we are to destroy our economy, more than it is already, when we are 17th in the world and dropping would be a Pyrrhic victory imo.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 22 seconds ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
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Sorry I can't agree Rosso.
People of my generation didn't know about global warming during our careers.
We rebuilt the UK after the war.
I began with one weeks holiday that soon became two weeks where it stayed for years.
Having then collected a paltry pension at 65,i don't feel I should be the target of the young.
Some governments should be though
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Maybe not early in the careers of your generation, 52; but I knew enough about climate change when I left uni, more than 20 years ago, to know that we needed to act immediately.
The Skeptical Environmentalist was published (and was busy being torn apart by climate scientists) in 2001. The science was settled more than a generation ago, and yet this is still somehow a public debate.
posted on 8/11/22
So there are no exceptions then Rosso, all people of my age group, and others, are equally to blame. And can expect sheite from our car owning grand children
posted on 8/11/22
I’m right at the back end of Gen X, 52.
posted on 8/11/22
but even if closing all oil fields was somehow going to save the planet there picking the wrong targets
the amount of fossill fuels uk uses against china america etc is absolutely miniscule
uk could go zero carbon and it wouldnt make a dent
these protesters are better off just living there life staying out of jail and leaving everyone else to get on with there life how they chose
that or go and front it out with china
posted on 8/11/22
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
So there are no exceptions then Rosso, all people of my age group, and others, are equally to blame. And can expect sheite from our car owning grand children
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Boomers, Gen X and Millennials have failed, miserably, to take an existential threat and environmental ruin remotely seriously.
Younger generations will judge us, and we should be prepared for that to happen. I won’t blame them for blaming us. It’s happening already, and I sympathise with them greatly.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 minutes ago
but even if closing all oil fields was somehow going to save the planet there picking the wrong targets
the amount of fossill fuels uk uses against china america etc is absolutely miniscule
uk could go zero carbon and it wouldnt make a dent
these protesters are better off just living there life staying out of jail and leaving everyone else to get on with there life how they chose
that or go and front it out with china
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Quite.
Which is why the room always goes quiet when the question about China & India is put to them.
(clockwork aside who is having a fair back and forth about this)
posted on 8/11/22
I disagree with the notion of start where you are. I get what you mean but if we are to destroy our economy, more than it is already, when we are 17th in the world and dropping would be a Pyrrhic victory imo.
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You're not wrong, which is why so many self-professed "doomers" exist in the climate community. They recognise that what solutions or mitigations we might have only cause more problems and that, where we are now, you can't do right for doing wrong.
None of which, sadly, changes the things we're all likely to be facing within five years.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 4 minutes ago
People have died as a direct result of climate change too
...
you do realise climate change is natural
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No, I don't.
This current warming cycle is clearly human created. The consensus is almost unanimous.
posted on 8/11/22
Some of the comments on this thread are exactly the reason they are protesting. No one is listening and only care their own insignificant lives. So you were a bit late to work, who cares? The alternative if we do nothing is far far worse. If I had kids, I'd be genuinely terrified for their future.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This, I really don't agree with.
It's an absolute lie that younger children care more about climate change than their elders.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Largest ever global survey:
https://www.undp.org/sites/g/files/zskgke326/files/publications/UNDP-Oxford-Peoples-Climate-Vote-Results.pdf
(Skip to page 56.)
UK (ONS):
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/articles/threequartersofadultsingreatbritainworryaboutclimatechange/2021-11-05
US:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/26/key-findings-how-americans-attitudes-about-climate-change-differ-by-generation-party-and-other-factors/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/492507/concerns-about-climate-change-united-states-by-age-group/
There are scores of these Winston. Find me one survey that shows that older generations are as concerned as younger ones.
The question won’t be about opinions in any case. It’ll be:
“Why, when you knew what was happening, and you knew what the outcomes were going to be, did you do nothing? For decades?”
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Yes… what people say they’re concerned with and what they arguably show they’re concerned with, via their actions, are two different things.
posted on 8/11/22
People like Rosso like to look at everything through a very MICRO lens. It's extremely dogmatic and unrealistic, which is ultimately why people like him are so confused as to why the majority do not agree with him and why so many labelled generations have apparently 'failed'.
These things have huge consequences.
Clean air vs less people starving to death
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 4 minutes ago
People have died as a direct result of climate change too
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you do realise climate change is natural
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No, I don't.
This current warming cycle is clearly human created. The consensus is almost unanimous.
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So many people say that climate changed naturally before humans (true) and seem to believe that this means humans can't contribute to/accelerate climate change. It's a logically absurd leap.
posted on 8/11/22
Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
You think consumption in younger people is less?
No chance.
Have a look around you... look at who is using their car for short journeys vs who is walking... look at who is buying fast food... shall I go on?
People are very quick to tell you how much they care on social media - doesn't mean they actually care enough to put themselves out.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 seconds ago
Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
You think consumption in younger people is less?
No chance.
Have a look around you... look at who is using their car for short journeys vs who is walking... look at who is buying fast food... shall I go on?
People are very quick to tell you how much they care on social media - doesn't mean they actually care enough to put themselves out.
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I think I was agreeing with you
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 seconds ago
Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
You think consumption in younger people is less?
No chance.
Have a look around you... look at who is using their car for short journeys vs who is walking... look at who is buying fast food... shall I go on?
People are very quick to tell you how much they care on social media - doesn't mean they actually care enough to put themselves out.
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I think I was agreeing with you
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Sorry, was replying to the wrong person.
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think Boomers, Generation X and Millennials shouldn’t be surprised about being treated like absolute shiiiit by their grandchildrens’ generations when their time comes around.
They’ll fully deserve whatever treatment they receive.
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This, I really don't agree with.
It's an absolute lie that younger children care more about climate change than their elders.
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An 'absolute lie'?
It's useful to caveat that you shouldn't apply the generalisation to the individual, but public surveys and electoral statistics tell us that throughout the developed world at least younger people are more worried about climate change than older people, are more likely to advocate radical adaptation to limit its effects, and vote in larger numbers for parties and candidates that put green policies high on their agenda.
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Yes, an absolute lie.
People's survey answers are a lie.
posted on 8/11/22
Myth 1. “Small islands are doomed by rising sea levels”
We constantly hear Micronesia, the Maldives or Seychelles or something is going to be flooded and they’re only like a metre or two metres above sea level…What happens is most of these islands are coral islands, so they have actually occurred because they break off dead coral when there’s storms and wash it ashore. That accretes to the island and makes the island higher. At the same time, of course, a sea level rise makes the island lower. But it turns out that at least for now, and probably in the foreseeable future, the accretion is higher than the sea level rise.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 2: “Extreme weather events are killing more people”
If you take a graph of how many people die from climate related disasters, we have good data for that for the last 100 years. In the 1920s, about half a million people died each and every year from climate disasters. A lot of them were floods and droughts, especially in China and India that you’ve never heard of. What’s happened since then is that it’s declined dramatically. So in the 2010s, we were down to 18,000 deaths, so about 96% reduction in deaths. And last year, it was down to 14,000 or so in 2020. And in 2021, we don’t obviously have the whole year yet, but it looks like 2021 is set to be even lower at about 6000.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 3: “Climate lockdowns are a good solution”
The first thing to realise is despite the fact that we shut down the entire world in 2020, we still emitted almost as much. We probably cut our emissions about 6% globally. That’s because we still have to heat our homes. We sat at home and Zoomed instead and used electricity in that way. So when you shut down one thing you end up doing something else. And so yes, you can cut your emissions a little bit. But it turns out that it’s really hard to shut down dramatically. For example, when China was most shut down, it still emitted 84% of its normal emissions.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 4: “Electric cars don’t harm the environment”
Electric cars are being sold as net zero. But what they actually are is that they’re zero when they’re driving. But much of the energy that you tank up your car, unless you live in Norway, is basically fossil fuel. And of course, most of the battery is produced in China or somewhere else where it emitted a lot of co2 typically from coal fired power plants.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 5: “Polar bears are going extinct on melting ice caps”
First of all, remember the polar bears lived through the last time there was probably no ice in the Arctic, which was five to eight thousand years ago. So clearly, it’s not the end of the world for them. But also, and we need to recognise we’re still seeing a trending upwards of polar bears…We’ve probably gone from somewhere between five and ten thousand polar bears, up till today, where we have about 25,000 polar bears
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 6: “Stop eating meat to save the planet”
The reality is that going meat free is only going to do a little bit for climate. We often hear that, ‘Oh, it’s 50% of your food intake’, and you only hear the 50% so you can apparently reduce 50%. But it’s only 50% of your food emissions. So the reality is, when you look at the total impact it’s about 4%.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 7: “Wildfires are getting worse, and proof of climate change”
We’ve actually seen that wildfire has been declining in amount of burnt area pretty much every year since 1900…Overall, Australia for instance had one of its lowest burns ever. It used to burn in the early 1900s about 12% of the area of Australia every year. It went down to about 6-8%, typically in the early 2000s. In 2019/20 it burned a little less than 4%
posted on 8/11/22
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 1 minute ago
Some of the comments on this thread are exactly the reason they are protesting. No one is listening and only care their own insignificant lives. So you were a bit late to work, who cares? The alternative if we do nothing is far far worse. If I had kids, I'd be genuinely terrified for their future.
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Their lives are no more insignificant than anyone else.
To live a green life can be very difficult. I could not have done my job without a car for example. I try in little ways, buy local etc, and walk everywhere when possible, which is 90% of the time.
But I still went on holiday by plane.
How do environmentalists live there lives, now and in the past.
How about you Hawkeye?
Rosso?
posted on 8/11/22
Electric cars aren't the answer and I don't think many serious climate commentators think they are. I see them being dismissed as a way of allowing the automobile industry to continue "BAU" while appearing greener.
posted on 8/11/22
This current warming cycle is clearly human created. The consensus is almost unanimous.
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human assisted ill give you
there are plenty of examples of geological climate change over the millenia
some of it is warming some of it is cooling
as well as geology there are studies of ocean sediments tree rings and coral reefs which all show natual climate changes over the last 650000 years
there is also strong evidence that the sun is getting hotter and will continue to get hotter until it becomes luminous and wipes out all life on earth
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