What time do these fackers start their protests in the morning

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What time do these fackers start their protests in the morning
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7 oclock this morning

i went through just before 5 with no issues lol

comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 2 minutes ago
Electric cars aren't the answer and I don't think many serious climate commentators think they are. I see them being dismissed as a way of allowing the automobile industry to continue "BAU" while appearing greener.
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even more so when you look into the mining conditions for metals needed for the batteries

Shocking

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/03/child-labour-toxic-leaks-the-price-we-could-pay-for-a-greener-future

Definitely, not the way forward. But we need to invest in innovation. I personally almost think we should invest in nuclear, we fked up avoiding it (probably deliberately made it too expensive to keep the addiction to fossil fuels going like the almost non-existent trains in the US) in decades gone by but I don't see why we don't start now so that we have abundant reliable energy in the future.

comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 minutes ago
This current warming cycle is clearly human created. The consensus is almost unanimous.
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human assisted ill give you

there are plenty of examples of geological climate change over the millenia
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Over millenia, yes... Not over a century.

One thing that cracks me up about you "It's just natural" guys...

How do you know there have been various ice ages over the millenia? Oh yea, because climate scientists and experts have accurately pinpointed them. The same climate scientists and experts you now choose to ignore.

Unbelievable, Jeff.

comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 2 minutes ago
This current warming cycle is clearly human created. The consensus is almost unanimous.
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human assisted ill give you

there are plenty of examples of geological climate change over the millenia

some of it is warming some of it is cooling

as well as geology there are studies of ocean sediments tree rings and coral reefs which all show natual climate changes over the last 650000 years

there is also strong evidence that the sun is getting hotter and will continue to get hotter until it becomes luminous and wipes out all life on earth
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I think speed of change is part of the issue though. Nobody is denying that forces way beyond our control govern climate as well - but we seem to be driving a rapid increase in atmospheric CO2 etc that, as temperatures catch up, is too fast for ecosystems to keep up with.

How do you know there have been various ice ages over the millenia?
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ive seen the films

comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 1 minute ago
What time do these fackers start their protests in the morning
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7 oclock this morning

i went through just before 5 with no issues lol
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If I travel I’m normally exiting the M25 junction 8 around 7.10.

I’ll think about it, working at home is a bit of a drag every day.

comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m right at the back end of Gen X, 52.
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Filth

as temperatures catch up, is too fast for ecosystems to keep up with.
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thats unknown

ecosystems adapt and evolve

heathlands can burn for weeks on end and within days of the flames being put out there are green shoots again

its easy to base the future on the past but that doesnt take into account any kiind of evolution

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 1 minute ago
Some of the comments on this thread are exactly the reason they are protesting. No one is listening and only care their own insignificant lives. So you were a bit late to work, who cares? The alternative if we do nothing is far far worse. If I had kids, I'd be genuinely terrified for their future.
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Their lives are no more insignificant than anyone else.
To live a green life can be very difficult. I could not have done my job without a car for example. I try in little ways, buy local etc, and walk everywhere when possible, which is 90% of the time.
But I still went on holiday by plane.
How do environmentalists live there lives, now and in the past.
How about you Hawkeye?
Rosso?

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There are loads of things that people are doing to change their behaviour:

- Not flying (particularly intercontinentally)
- Choosing to walk/cycle and cutting down on car travel generally
- Car pooling and sharing
- Running their cars into the ground rather than switching every couple of years or writing off early
- Choosing to insulate their homes and invest in, for example, solar panels/heat pumps
- Turning thermostats down
- Washing the dishes once a day, clothes less frequently at lower temperatures
- Reducing (to or close to zero in many cases) meat and dairy consumption
- Consuming local and seasonal produce
- Growing their own
- Reducing their consumption of goods, and choosing to buy more eco-friendly products when they do shop
- Shopping second hand
- Repairing rather than replacing
- Tool sharing
- Funding environmental programmes and charities
- Voting for candidates with progressive green agendas

There are scores of small and easy changes people can make to cut their consumption and carbon footprints.

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m right at the back end of Gen X, 52.
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Filth
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Trust it to be Irish

comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 28 seconds ago
as temperatures catch up, is too fast for ecosystems to keep up with.
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thats unknown

ecosystems adapt and evolve

heathlands can burn for weeks on end and within days of the flames being put out there are green shoots again

its easy to base the future on the past but that doesnt take into account any kiind of evolution
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If we can't find ways to tackle droughts and keep producing food in an increasingly hostile and unstable climate, we ourselves will fail to keep up. An unknown, yes, but a serious possibility.

comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m right at the back end of Gen X, 52.
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Filth
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Trust it to be Irish
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I’m here all week

These fackers have their prawn sandwiches with them in their lunchboxes made from oil ffs.

comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 28 seconds ago
as temperatures catch up, is too fast for ecosystems to keep up with.
...
thats unknown

ecosystems adapt and evolve

heathlands can burn for weeks on end and within days of the flames being put out there are green shoots again

its easy to base the future on the past but that doesnt take into account any kiind of evolution
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If we can't find ways to tackle droughts and keep producing food in an increasingly hostile and unstable climate, we ourselves will fail to keep up. An unknown, yes, but a serious possibility.

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are droughts increasing or decreasing?

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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 29 minutes ago
Myth 1. “Small islands are doomed by rising sea levels”

We constantly hear Micronesia, the Maldives or Seychelles or something is going to be flooded and they’re only like a metre or two metres above sea level…What happens is most of these islands are coral islands, so they have actually occurred because they break off dead coral when there’s storms and wash it ashore. That accretes to the island and makes the island higher. At the same time, of course, a sea level rise makes the island lower. But it turns out that at least for now, and probably in the foreseeable future, the accretion is higher than the sea level rise.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 2: “Extreme weather events are killing more people”

If you take a graph of how many people die from climate related disasters, we have good data for that for the last 100 years. In the 1920s, about half a million people died each and every year from climate disasters. A lot of them were floods and droughts, especially in China and India that you’ve never heard of. What’s happened since then is that it’s declined dramatically. So in the 2010s, we were down to 18,000 deaths, so about 96% reduction in deaths. And last year, it was down to 14,000 or so in 2020. And in 2021, we don’t obviously have the whole year yet, but it looks like 2021 is set to be even lower at about 6000.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 3: “Climate lockdowns are a good solution”

The first thing to realise is despite the fact that we shut down the entire world in 2020, we still emitted almost as much. We probably cut our emissions about 6% globally. That’s because we still have to heat our homes. We sat at home and Zoomed instead and used electricity in that way. So when you shut down one thing you end up doing something else. And so yes, you can cut your emissions a little bit. But it turns out that it’s really hard to shut down dramatically. For example, when China was most shut down, it still emitted 84% of its normal emissions.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 4: “Electric cars don’t harm the environment”

Electric cars are being sold as net zero. But what they actually are is that they’re zero when they’re driving. But much of the energy that you tank up your car, unless you live in Norway, is basically fossil fuel. And of course, most of the battery is produced in China or somewhere else where it emitted a lot of co2 typically from coal fired power plants.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 5: “Polar bears are going extinct on melting ice caps”

First of all, remember the polar bears lived through the last time there was probably no ice in the Arctic, which was five to eight thousand years ago. So clearly, it’s not the end of the world for them. But also, and we need to recognise we’re still seeing a trending upwards of polar bears…We’ve probably gone from somewhere between five and ten thousand polar bears, up till today, where we have about 25,000 polar bears
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 6: “Stop eating meat to save the planet”

The reality is that going meat free is only going to do a little bit for climate. We often hear that, ‘Oh, it’s 50% of your food intake’, and you only hear the 50% so you can apparently reduce 50%. But it’s only 50% of your food emissions. So the reality is, when you look at the total impact it’s about 4%.
- BJORN LOMBORG, UNHERDTV
Myth 7: “Wildfires are getting worse, and proof of climate change”

We’ve actually seen that wildfire has been declining in amount of burnt area pretty much every year since 1900…Overall, Australia for instance had one of its lowest burns ever. It used to burn in the early 1900s about 12% of the area of Australia every year. It went down to about 6-8%, typically in the early 2000s. In 2019/20 it burned a little less than 4%
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That would be the Bjorn Lomborg who does not have a background in climate science and has published no peer-reviewed articles in journals devoted to climate change research?

The Bjorn Lomborg who was formally accused of scientific misconduct over one of his books which the Danish Committee on Scientific Dishonesty stated was systematically biased in the choice of data, and objectively was scientifically irredeemable?

They should all be buggered with a rusty farm implement!

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 hours, 34 minutes ago
I don't get what people expect protesters to do, if they stood outside parliament with signs then they'd get no attention.

Their protests have been working anyway I'd say, given Labour announced a plan to insulate millions of houses if they get into power.

May not have happened if Insulate Britain didn't gain notoriety.
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comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Rosso out here drippin’ in finesse (U17054)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 1 minute ago
Some of the comments on this thread are exactly the reason they are protesting. No one is listening and only care their own insignificant lives. So you were a bit late to work, who cares? The alternative if we do nothing is far far worse. If I had kids, I'd be genuinely terrified for their future.
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Their lives are no more insignificant than anyone else.
To live a green life can be very difficult. I could not have done my job without a car for example. I try in little ways, buy local etc, and walk everywhere when possible, which is 90% of the time.
But I still went on holiday by plane.
How do environmentalists live there lives, now and in the past.
How about you Hawkeye?
Rosso?

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There are loads of things that people are doing to change their behaviour:

- Not flying (particularly intercontinentally)
- Choosing to walk/cycle and cutting down on car travel generally
- Car pooling and sharing
- Running their cars into the ground rather than switching every couple of years or writing off early
- Choosing to insulate their homes and invest in, for example, solar panels/heat pumps
- Turning thermostats down
- Washing the dishes once a day, clothes less frequently at lower temperatures
- Reducing (to or close to zero in many cases) meat and dairy consumption
- Consuming local and seasonal produce
- Growing their own
- Reducing their consumption of goods, and choosing to buy more eco-friendly products when they do shop
- Shopping second hand
- Repairing rather than replacing
- Tool sharing
- Funding environmental programmes and charities
- Voting for candidates with progressive green agendas

There are scores of small and easy changes people can make to cut their consumption and carbon footprints.
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Or better yet:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/29/bill-gates-youll-never-solve-climate-change-with-degrowth.html

I don't get the hate from Bill Gates on the right, he knows what would get the best results in practise compared to things that would get the best results in theory but never happen in practise (forcing everyone to live as vegan hermits and setting back their standard of living by 100s of years).

Also the climate nonces have a very offputting way of getting their points across, trying to appear forceful, or using emotional blackmail to get people to do what they want, focusing massively on the responsibilities of the little guy ("stop eating steaks, you working class reetards"while not a peep was said about the private jet tax exemption for the super rich.

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Which of those things I’ve mentioned in the list represent people “setting back their standard of living by 100s of years”? Or even a decade?

None of them are unhealthy (and quite the opposite). None of them are going to lead to a miserable life. None of them are even significantly inconvenient

Nobody is talking about forcing anyone to give up anything at the moment. Quite the contrary; I think people are suggesting that in order to avert the permanent loss of very many of modern life’s pleasures and conveniences, it might be worth our making some smarter decisions about our lifestyles (or, if you like, voluntary and very minor sacrifices) now.

comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 1 minute ago
Flying in the context of the average person (one holiday per year or even less) or diet, forcing everyone to become vegan, (contrary to vegan propaganda, humans have had a significant amount of meat in their diet from the very start) should not even be on the table. In fact, just by simply not having beef yet having all other meat and dairy, a normal omnivore human diet is barely more harmful for the environment than a vegan diet.
https://www.greeneatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/foods-carbon-footprint-7.gif

So why do the climate activists militantly campaign for veganism, and not just polite advice to eat less beef, but of course continue to be omnivores. Because of ulterior motives, they are vegan because they don't believe humans should eat meat, they want to force it on everyone else and they think doing it under the cover of affection for the climate will make that goal more realistic. There are way too many (not so ) hidden agendas with the climate nonces (everyone should be vegan, overthrow capitalism) that harms the cause of practical solutions to climate change.
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Tity is on the soapbox. This’ll be like the sermon on the mount

comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 5 seconds ago
Flying in the context of the average person (one holiday per year or even less) or diet, forcing everyone to become vegan, (contrary to vegan propaganda, humans have had a significant amount of meat in their diet from the very start) should not even be on the table. In fact, just by simply not having beef yet having all other meat and dairy, a normal omnivore human diet is barely more harmful for the environment than a vegan diet.
https://www.greeneatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/foods-carbon-footprint-7.gif

So why do the climate activists militantly campaign for veganism, and not just polite advice to eat less beef, but of course continue to be omnivores. Because of ulterior motives, they are vegan because they don't believe humans should eat meat, they want to force it on everyone else and they think doing it under the cover of affection for the climate will make that goal more realistic. There are way too many (not so ) hidden agendas with the climate nonces (everyone should be vegan, overthrow capitalism) that harms the cause of practical solutions to climate change.
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I think an awful lot of it is via anti-capitalist roots, for sure.

What I find utterly horrid also is the call for people to have less children or no children at all. Talk about future regrets where the future generations will despise us - that’s one right there

comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 1 minute ago
Flying in the context of the average person (one holiday per year or even less) or diet, forcing everyone to become vegan, (contrary to vegan propaganda, humans have had a significant amount of meat in their diet from the very start) should not even be on the table. In fact, just by simply not having beef yet having all other meat and dairy, a normal omnivore human diet is barely more harmful for the environment than a vegan diet.
https://www.greeneatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/foods-carbon-footprint-7.gif

So why do the climate activists militantly campaign for veganism, and not just polite advice to eat less beef, but of course continue to be omnivores. Because of ulterior motives, they are vegan because they don't believe humans should eat meat, they want to force it on everyone else and they think doing it under the cover of affection for the climate will make that goal more realistic. There are way too many (not so ) hidden agendas with the climate nonces (everyone should be vegan, overthrow capitalism) that harms the cause of practical solutions to climate change.
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I'm sure calling people who you disagree with "nonces" is a much better way to find common ground