comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Look Chief 🤣
Tell the truth and don't force me to trawl through all of your old posts to find some evidence about a trivial matter that i just created a fictitious argument about.
This is the kind of nonsense that has killed this site.
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Not me I like it.
Like a rerun of peak practice
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He better let POV know also then !! the sires resident post finder (or is it Pointy )? apologies if im wrong.
We all know Mags isnt a fan of others going back and checking what was actually said in the past !! no idea why?
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted less than a minute ago
It’s everything to do with other clubs, St J have every right to call the referee into question on Saturday all 3 major decisions went against them and tbh in most peoples opinions including pundits etc.. wrongly. Never a penalty, the sending off was a coming together of knees and the non sending off was a red all day and the first time a ref had checked the screen and went against VAR you couldn’t make it up ffs. If it was Celtic I would be embarrassed just like I was versus Morton
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Oh they have every right .. of that there is no dispute.
How many arguments have we heard of people asking for no Aberdeen/Dundee Utd/Hearts/Hibs refs however?
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted less than a minute ago
England manage it , why can’t we? Is there a biased even an unconscious biased towards Rangers? Who knows but we are about to move into February and have a guess how many pens Rangers have had awarded against them this season?
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england have a far far higher disparity of clubs supported in England than us.
We cannot apply others logic to ours when the situations not the same.
lets be honest what people are asking for is non Rangers or Celtic fans in charge of our games this has nothing to with any other clubs.
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What other countries do, which we support them in doing by providing refs at I’m sure a competitive price, is use refs from other leagues if suitably independent refs can’t be found.
I also find the argument which some have made of refs having integrity and not favouring one club but at the same time suggesting they’d lie about who they support.
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 20 minutes ago
England manage it , why can’t we? Is there a biased even an unconscious biased towards Rangers? Who knows but we are about to move into February and have a guess how many pens Rangers have had awarded against them this season?
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Which pens against Rangers should have been awarded as clear and obvious?
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted less than a minute ago
England manage it , why can’t we? Is there a biased even an unconscious biased towards Rangers? Who knows but we are about to move into February and have a guess how many pens Rangers have had awarded against them this season?
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england have a far far higher disparity of clubs supported in England than us.
We cannot apply others logic to ours when the situations not the same.
lets be honest what people are asking for is non Rangers or Celtic fans in charge of our games this has nothing to with any other clubs.
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What other countries do, which we support them in doing by providing refs at I’m sure a competitive price, is use refs from other leagues if suitably independent refs can’t be found.
I also find the argument which some have made of refs having integrity and not favouring one club but at the same time suggesting they’d lie about who they support.
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I asked the question already ... only result I could find was England ask their refs to declare. Dont think any other (major) league does?
Im not sure the point your raising in regards ti integrity means much tbf.
If refs are not allowed to ref their own teams games then they must feel that this is because they cannot be trusted to be impartial. But if these same refs are happy to be biased and cheats as things stand why would that change when asked t declare their teams.
And how do you prove someone likes one thing more than the other?
whats to stop a ref saying they do not support any team?
when does someone start supporting a team and when are they just going to games cos they love football and its their local ground?
I dont see how you could prove someone wrong or right ?
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 20 minutes ago
England manage it , why can’t we? Is there a biased even an unconscious biased towards Rangers? Who knows but we are about to move into February and have a guess how many pens Rangers have had awarded against them this season?
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Which pens against Rangers should have been awarded as clear and obvious?
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for these type of guys .
every pen we have had wasnt legit, every game rangers have played has had rangers supporting refs.
Its impossible for any other team to win against us
Not at all in fact I think Hearts will beat you on Wednesday at Tynecastle I think it will be Beales first set back, bar our place it’s the toughest away day in the league for Rangers
Which pens against Rangers should have been awarded as clear and obvious?
Goldson against Celtic
Sands against Hibs
2 absolute stonewall penalties
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
Rangers have now gone 50 games without conceding a penalty in the league-I’m sure I read. That’s an incredible anomaly.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
Rangers have now gone 50 games without conceding a penalty in the league-I’m sure I read. That’s an incredible anomaly.
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no idea .. i do know we had more penalties given against us last season than your team did as did Hearts
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted less than a minute ago
England manage it , why can’t we? Is there a biased even an unconscious biased towards Rangers? Who knows but we are about to move into February and have a guess how many pens Rangers have had awarded against them this season?
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england have a far far higher disparity of clubs supported in England than us.
We cannot apply others logic to ours when the situations not the same.
lets be honest what people are asking for is non Rangers or Celtic fans in charge of our games this has nothing to with any other clubs.
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What other countries do, which we support them in doing by providing refs at I’m sure a competitive price, is use refs from other leagues if suitably independent refs can’t be found.
I also find the argument which some have made of refs having integrity and not favouring one club but at the same time suggesting they’d lie about who they support.
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I asked the question already ... only result I could find was England ask their refs to declare. Dont think any other (major) league does?
Im not sure the point your raising in regards ti integrity means much tbf.
If refs are not allowed to ref their own teams games then they must feel that this is because they cannot be trusted to be impartial. But if these same refs are happy to be biased and cheats as things stand why would that change when asked t declare their teams.
And how do you prove someone likes one thing more than the other?
whats to stop a ref saying they do not support any team?
when does someone start supporting a team and when are they just going to games cos they love football and its their local ground?
I dont see how you could prove someone wrong or right ?
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I’ll break this down as there’s a lot there.
No idea if other leagues ask refs to declare allegiance, although as above we’ve had multiple instances where Scottish refs have gone overseas to referee derbies to ensure fairness in officiating.
The integrity point is crucial, and highlights what appears to be a logical inconsistency in many who oppose refs being asked to state allegiance, or suggestions that dishonest refs might game the system. If one thinks there are dishonest refs who would game the system, then those refs should be thrown out of the game as they lack honesty and integrity.
Refs, like all of us, can exhibit unconscious bias. Studies have shown this to exist in multiple forms. Such unconscious bias could very easily impact decision making in a game, indeed it’s in part why the EPL brought in rules around this. I’m not suggesting that refs are being deliberately dishonest, I’m recognising their limitations as humans (some of them anyway!).
You are never going to be able to have completely perfect refs, but good shouldn’t be the enemy of perfect. Declaring allegiances would be a good step for decreasing risks of unconscious bias negatively impacting games, and building trust in the game, of which there is currently very little.
AFAIK there’s nothing stopping a ref saying they don’t support any team, at least from what I can discern from the FA/EPL rules.
Your question on when someone starts supporting a team versus going to see local team, that’ll be for the individual refs to decide but should be monitored by SFA. They seem to manage to allow for that in England just fine.
Who knows whether you can decisively “prove” someone right or wrong, but you can certainly question the veracity if, for example, a ref is seen celebrating with supporters at a supporters club after said club won a game. As above, they’ve managed it in the England.
What is your opposition to the proposal?
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 11 minutes ago
Rangers have now gone 50 games without conceding a penalty in the league-I’m sure I read. That’s an incredible anomaly.
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49 games. 😃
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
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ok and how do they prove that they havent changed the team you support.
its not about what you know or think its what you can prove.
"On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist."
but thats the point, if were not letting refs or certain teams ref certain games its cos someone or some group dont believe that they can be fair and honest.
So by asking them to declare their team and ban them from they games your already saying they cant be trusted.
refs wanna manage the biggest games, every ref in our country dreams of an OF... a scottish cup final.
It niave to think they would all jeopardise that chance.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
Rangers have now gone 50 games without conceding a penalty in the league-I’m sure I read. That’s an incredible anomaly.
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no idea .. i do know we had more penalties given against us last season than your team did as did Hearts
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3 against 2 for us and Hearts.
None the previous season either…
14 rangers have conceded since 16/17.
Celtic have conceded 24 in the same period of time.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
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ok and how do they prove that they havent changed the team you support.
its not about what you know or think its what you can prove.
"On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist."
but thats the point, if were not letting refs or certain teams ref certain games its cos someone or some group dont believe that they can be fair and honest.
So by asking them to declare their team and ban them from they games your already saying they cant be trusted.
refs wanna manage the biggest games, every ref in our country dreams of an OF... a scottish cup final.
It niave to think they would all jeopardise that chance.
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Literally, the answer is already there. Social media and photos. This isn’t difficult. And I don’t think there’s a lot of folk who change allegiances the older they get. We’re getting into the realms of being obtuse, and looking for problems rather than trying to find solutions to issues.
Rangers fans are just as bad for naming refs they believe to be ‘tims’-surely they’d want that issue dealt with?
As for jeopardising their chances of a Celtic v rangers final-that’s just tough. It happens elsewhere that refs won’t take charge of a derby game. They know that when they take on the role.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 11 minutes ago
Rangers have now gone 50 games without conceding a penalty in the league-I’m sure I read. That’s an incredible anomaly.
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49 games. 😃
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Ta. Thought it was around that figure.
thats a penalty yesterday, he smashes an arm into the back of kyogos head.
keepers get away with this crp all the time.
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 6 minutes ago
thats a penalty yesterday, he smashes an arm into the back of kyogos head.
keepers get away with this crp all the time.
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I’m in 2 minds about it. I think I’m used to see keepers clearing anything in their path to get a ball and make contact, so it’s taken as the norm.
On the other hand, Kyogo is nudged midair and sandwiched between the goalie and defender, and the goalie uses his left arm to go into Kyogo and punch it with his right hand.
The issue again is that when it’s down to interpretation, it doesn’t go in our favour. That’s what’s not happening to hearts and rangers so far.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
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ok and how do they prove that they havent changed the team you support.
its not about what you know or think its what you can prove.
"On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist."
but thats the point, if were not letting refs or certain teams ref certain games its cos someone or some group dont believe that they can be fair and honest.
So by asking them to declare their team and ban them from they games your already saying they cant be trusted.
refs wanna manage the biggest games, every ref in our country dreams of an OF... a scottish cup final.
It niave to think they would all jeopardise that chance.
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Literally, the answer is already there. Social media and photos. This isn’t difficult. And I don’t think there’s a lot of folk who change allegiances the older they get. We’re getting into the realms of being obtuse, and looking for problems rather than trying to find solutions to issues.
Rangers fans are just as bad for naming refs they believe to be ‘tims’-surely they’d want that issue dealt with?
As for jeopardising their chances of a Celtic v rangers final-that’s just tough. It happens elsewhere that refs won’t take charge of a derby game. They know that when they take on the role.
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The alternative is a rangers or Celtic fan deliberately lies about who they support in order to officiate a Celtic v rangers game. If that’s what we expect from our referees, there’s not much hope for the professional game in Scotland.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
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ok and how do they prove that they havent changed the team you support.
its not about what you know or think its what you can prove.
"On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist."
but thats the point, if were not letting refs or certain teams ref certain games its cos someone or some group dont believe that they can be fair and honest.
So by asking them to declare their team and ban them from they games your already saying they cant be trusted.
refs wanna manage the biggest games, every ref in our country dreams of an OF... a scottish cup final.
It niave to think they would all jeopardise that chance.
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Literally, the answer is already there. Social media and photos. This isn’t difficult. And I don’t think there’s a lot of folk who change allegiances the older they get. We’re getting into the realms of being obtuse, and looking for problems rather than trying to find solutions to issues.
Rangers fans are just as bad for naming refs they believe to be ‘tims’-surely they’d want that issue dealt with?
As for jeopardising their chances of a Celtic v rangers final-that’s just tough. It happens elsewhere that refs won’t take charge of a derby game. They know that when they take on the role.
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that doesnt prove anything though, these sort of things would go through the courts if needs be and nothing would prove they handnt hcnged the team they support since.
I have never said a ref should not ref one of our games based on what team he supports, like I said were unique in the sense that that vast majority of football fans in our country support 1 of 2 teams.
"As for jeopardising their chances of a Celtic v rangers final-that’s just tough. It happens elsewhere that refs won’t take charge of a derby game. They know that when they take on the role."
this is the very reason for they them to lie.
refs in our game that dont take charge of OFs will have a far smaller chance world cups, euro games where they make their real money and reputation.
if they are outright banned from the biggest games thats every incentive they need to lie. People who we already think are not trustworthy.
‘The alternative is a rangers or Celtic fan deliberately lies about who they support in order to officiate a Celtic v rangers game. If that’s what we expect from our referees, there’s not much hope for the professional game in Scotland.’
Correct. And it’s not like folk won’t know then throughout the years and be able to show that they’re not being truthful.
It’s crazy to think we can’t implement this system.
Ivan (I think it was) is also correct. The SFA should be doing more outwith Glasgow and Lanarkshire for recruiting.
I know my opinions on here annoy some but it’s ok to debate and I certainly don’t get personal with posters, in that vain I think there is simply not enough being done to question a hell of a lot of decisions that go Rangers way on and off the field. The referee at the weekend at Ibrox was a disgrace, and it is fair to argue the amount of honest mistakes etc is piling up. Ok call me a mental tin hat daft Tim if you want but I am not. Off the field I know it’s old news but it makes it nonetheless untrue just because it’s old why were a club in administration given a license to play in Europe I have never heard one decent argument to justify that apart from fook off you paranoid tin foil etc.. followed by it was years ago let it go like that ok then
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
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ok and how do they prove that they havent changed the team you support.
its not about what you know or think its what you can prove.
"On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist."
but thats the point, if were not letting refs or certain teams ref certain games its cos someone or some group dont believe that they can be fair and honest.
So by asking them to declare their team and ban them from they games your already saying they cant be trusted.
refs wanna manage the biggest games, every ref in our country dreams of an OF... a scottish cup final.
It niave to think they would all jeopardise that chance.
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Literally, the answer is already there. Social media and photos. This isn’t difficult. And I don’t think there’s a lot of folk who change allegiances the older they get. We’re getting into the realms of being obtuse, and looking for problems rather than trying to find solutions to issues.
Rangers fans are just as bad for naming refs they believe to be ‘tims’-surely they’d want that issue dealt with?
As for jeopardising their chances of a Celtic v rangers final-that’s just tough. It happens elsewhere that refs won’t take charge of a derby game. They know that when they take on the role.
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The alternative is a rangers or Celtic fan deliberately lies about who they support in order to officiate a Celtic v rangers game. If that’s what we expect from our referees, there’s not much hope for the professional game in Scotland.
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we already dont trust them however and when you add restrictions to how they can succeed in their career then your asking people you dont already trust to be trustworthy.
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posted on 30/1/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Look Chief 🤣
Tell the truth and don't force me to trawl through all of your old posts to find some evidence about a trivial matter that i just created a fictitious argument about.
This is the kind of nonsense that has killed this site.
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Not me I like it.
Like a rerun of peak practice
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He better let POV know also then !! the sires resident post finder (or is it Pointy )? apologies if im wrong.
We all know Mags isnt a fan of others going back and checking what was actually said in the past !! no idea why?
posted on 30/1/23
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted less than a minute ago
It’s everything to do with other clubs, St J have every right to call the referee into question on Saturday all 3 major decisions went against them and tbh in most peoples opinions including pundits etc.. wrongly. Never a penalty, the sending off was a coming together of knees and the non sending off was a red all day and the first time a ref had checked the screen and went against VAR you couldn’t make it up ffs. If it was Celtic I would be embarrassed just like I was versus Morton
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Oh they have every right .. of that there is no dispute.
How many arguments have we heard of people asking for no Aberdeen/Dundee Utd/Hearts/Hibs refs however?
posted on 30/1/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted less than a minute ago
England manage it , why can’t we? Is there a biased even an unconscious biased towards Rangers? Who knows but we are about to move into February and have a guess how many pens Rangers have had awarded against them this season?
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england have a far far higher disparity of clubs supported in England than us.
We cannot apply others logic to ours when the situations not the same.
lets be honest what people are asking for is non Rangers or Celtic fans in charge of our games this has nothing to with any other clubs.
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What other countries do, which we support them in doing by providing refs at I’m sure a competitive price, is use refs from other leagues if suitably independent refs can’t be found.
I also find the argument which some have made of refs having integrity and not favouring one club but at the same time suggesting they’d lie about who they support.
posted on 30/1/23
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 20 minutes ago
England manage it , why can’t we? Is there a biased even an unconscious biased towards Rangers? Who knows but we are about to move into February and have a guess how many pens Rangers have had awarded against them this season?
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Which pens against Rangers should have been awarded as clear and obvious?
posted on 30/1/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted less than a minute ago
England manage it , why can’t we? Is there a biased even an unconscious biased towards Rangers? Who knows but we are about to move into February and have a guess how many pens Rangers have had awarded against them this season?
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england have a far far higher disparity of clubs supported in England than us.
We cannot apply others logic to ours when the situations not the same.
lets be honest what people are asking for is non Rangers or Celtic fans in charge of our games this has nothing to with any other clubs.
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What other countries do, which we support them in doing by providing refs at I’m sure a competitive price, is use refs from other leagues if suitably independent refs can’t be found.
I also find the argument which some have made of refs having integrity and not favouring one club but at the same time suggesting they’d lie about who they support.
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I asked the question already ... only result I could find was England ask their refs to declare. Dont think any other (major) league does?
Im not sure the point your raising in regards ti integrity means much tbf.
If refs are not allowed to ref their own teams games then they must feel that this is because they cannot be trusted to be impartial. But if these same refs are happy to be biased and cheats as things stand why would that change when asked t declare their teams.
And how do you prove someone likes one thing more than the other?
whats to stop a ref saying they do not support any team?
when does someone start supporting a team and when are they just going to games cos they love football and its their local ground?
I dont see how you could prove someone wrong or right ?
posted on 30/1/23
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted 20 minutes ago
England manage it , why can’t we? Is there a biased even an unconscious biased towards Rangers? Who knows but we are about to move into February and have a guess how many pens Rangers have had awarded against them this season?
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Which pens against Rangers should have been awarded as clear and obvious?
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for these type of guys .
every pen we have had wasnt legit, every game rangers have played has had rangers supporting refs.
Its impossible for any other team to win against us
posted on 30/1/23
Not at all in fact I think Hearts will beat you on Wednesday at Tynecastle I think it will be Beales first set back, bar our place it’s the toughest away day in the league for Rangers
posted on 30/1/23
Which pens against Rangers should have been awarded as clear and obvious?
Goldson against Celtic
Sands against Hibs
2 absolute stonewall penalties
posted on 30/1/23
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
posted on 30/1/23
Rangers have now gone 50 games without conceding a penalty in the league-I’m sure I read. That’s an incredible anomaly.
posted on 30/1/23
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
Rangers have now gone 50 games without conceding a penalty in the league-I’m sure I read. That’s an incredible anomaly.
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no idea .. i do know we had more penalties given against us last season than your team did as did Hearts
posted on 30/1/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexballielegend (U22945)
posted less than a minute ago
England manage it , why can’t we? Is there a biased even an unconscious biased towards Rangers? Who knows but we are about to move into February and have a guess how many pens Rangers have had awarded against them this season?
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england have a far far higher disparity of clubs supported in England than us.
We cannot apply others logic to ours when the situations not the same.
lets be honest what people are asking for is non Rangers or Celtic fans in charge of our games this has nothing to with any other clubs.
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What other countries do, which we support them in doing by providing refs at I’m sure a competitive price, is use refs from other leagues if suitably independent refs can’t be found.
I also find the argument which some have made of refs having integrity and not favouring one club but at the same time suggesting they’d lie about who they support.
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I asked the question already ... only result I could find was England ask their refs to declare. Dont think any other (major) league does?
Im not sure the point your raising in regards ti integrity means much tbf.
If refs are not allowed to ref their own teams games then they must feel that this is because they cannot be trusted to be impartial. But if these same refs are happy to be biased and cheats as things stand why would that change when asked t declare their teams.
And how do you prove someone likes one thing more than the other?
whats to stop a ref saying they do not support any team?
when does someone start supporting a team and when are they just going to games cos they love football and its their local ground?
I dont see how you could prove someone wrong or right ?
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I’ll break this down as there’s a lot there.
No idea if other leagues ask refs to declare allegiance, although as above we’ve had multiple instances where Scottish refs have gone overseas to referee derbies to ensure fairness in officiating.
The integrity point is crucial, and highlights what appears to be a logical inconsistency in many who oppose refs being asked to state allegiance, or suggestions that dishonest refs might game the system. If one thinks there are dishonest refs who would game the system, then those refs should be thrown out of the game as they lack honesty and integrity.
Refs, like all of us, can exhibit unconscious bias. Studies have shown this to exist in multiple forms. Such unconscious bias could very easily impact decision making in a game, indeed it’s in part why the EPL brought in rules around this. I’m not suggesting that refs are being deliberately dishonest, I’m recognising their limitations as humans (some of them anyway!).
You are never going to be able to have completely perfect refs, but good shouldn’t be the enemy of perfect. Declaring allegiances would be a good step for decreasing risks of unconscious bias negatively impacting games, and building trust in the game, of which there is currently very little.
AFAIK there’s nothing stopping a ref saying they don’t support any team, at least from what I can discern from the FA/EPL rules.
Your question on when someone starts supporting a team versus going to see local team, that’ll be for the individual refs to decide but should be monitored by SFA. They seem to manage to allow for that in England just fine.
Who knows whether you can decisively “prove” someone right or wrong, but you can certainly question the veracity if, for example, a ref is seen celebrating with supporters at a supporters club after said club won a game. As above, they’ve managed it in the England.
What is your opposition to the proposal?
posted on 30/1/23
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 11 minutes ago
Rangers have now gone 50 games without conceding a penalty in the league-I’m sure I read. That’s an incredible anomaly.
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49 games. 😃
posted on 30/1/23
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
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ok and how do they prove that they havent changed the team you support.
its not about what you know or think its what you can prove.
"On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist."
but thats the point, if were not letting refs or certain teams ref certain games its cos someone or some group dont believe that they can be fair and honest.
So by asking them to declare their team and ban them from they games your already saying they cant be trusted.
refs wanna manage the biggest games, every ref in our country dreams of an OF... a scottish cup final.
It niave to think they would all jeopardise that chance.
posted on 30/1/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
Rangers have now gone 50 games without conceding a penalty in the league-I’m sure I read. That’s an incredible anomaly.
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no idea .. i do know we had more penalties given against us last season than your team did as did Hearts
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3 against 2 for us and Hearts.
None the previous season either…
posted on 30/1/23
14 rangers have conceded since 16/17.
Celtic have conceded 24 in the same period of time.
posted on 30/1/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
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ok and how do they prove that they havent changed the team you support.
its not about what you know or think its what you can prove.
"On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist."
but thats the point, if were not letting refs or certain teams ref certain games its cos someone or some group dont believe that they can be fair and honest.
So by asking them to declare their team and ban them from they games your already saying they cant be trusted.
refs wanna manage the biggest games, every ref in our country dreams of an OF... a scottish cup final.
It niave to think they would all jeopardise that chance.
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Literally, the answer is already there. Social media and photos. This isn’t difficult. And I don’t think there’s a lot of folk who change allegiances the older they get. We’re getting into the realms of being obtuse, and looking for problems rather than trying to find solutions to issues.
Rangers fans are just as bad for naming refs they believe to be ‘tims’-surely they’d want that issue dealt with?
As for jeopardising their chances of a Celtic v rangers final-that’s just tough. It happens elsewhere that refs won’t take charge of a derby game. They know that when they take on the role.
posted on 30/1/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 11 minutes ago
Rangers have now gone 50 games without conceding a penalty in the league-I’m sure I read. That’s an incredible anomaly.
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49 games. 😃
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Ta. Thought it was around that figure.
posted on 30/1/23
thats a penalty yesterday, he smashes an arm into the back of kyogos head.
keepers get away with this crp all the time.
posted on 30/1/23
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 6 minutes ago
thats a penalty yesterday, he smashes an arm into the back of kyogos head.
keepers get away with this crp all the time.
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I’m in 2 minds about it. I think I’m used to see keepers clearing anything in their path to get a ball and make contact, so it’s taken as the norm.
On the other hand, Kyogo is nudged midair and sandwiched between the goalie and defender, and the goalie uses his left arm to go into Kyogo and punch it with his right hand.
The issue again is that when it’s down to interpretation, it doesn’t go in our favour. That’s what’s not happening to hearts and rangers so far.
posted on 30/1/23
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
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ok and how do they prove that they havent changed the team you support.
its not about what you know or think its what you can prove.
"On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist."
but thats the point, if were not letting refs or certain teams ref certain games its cos someone or some group dont believe that they can be fair and honest.
So by asking them to declare their team and ban them from they games your already saying they cant be trusted.
refs wanna manage the biggest games, every ref in our country dreams of an OF... a scottish cup final.
It niave to think they would all jeopardise that chance.
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Literally, the answer is already there. Social media and photos. This isn’t difficult. And I don’t think there’s a lot of folk who change allegiances the older they get. We’re getting into the realms of being obtuse, and looking for problems rather than trying to find solutions to issues.
Rangers fans are just as bad for naming refs they believe to be ‘tims’-surely they’d want that issue dealt with?
As for jeopardising their chances of a Celtic v rangers final-that’s just tough. It happens elsewhere that refs won’t take charge of a derby game. They know that when they take on the role.
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The alternative is a rangers or Celtic fan deliberately lies about who they support in order to officiate a Celtic v rangers game. If that’s what we expect from our referees, there’s not much hope for the professional game in Scotland.
posted on 30/1/23
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
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ok and how do they prove that they havent changed the team you support.
its not about what you know or think its what you can prove.
"On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist."
but thats the point, if were not letting refs or certain teams ref certain games its cos someone or some group dont believe that they can be fair and honest.
So by asking them to declare their team and ban them from they games your already saying they cant be trusted.
refs wanna manage the biggest games, every ref in our country dreams of an OF... a scottish cup final.
It niave to think they would all jeopardise that chance.
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Literally, the answer is already there. Social media and photos. This isn’t difficult. And I don’t think there’s a lot of folk who change allegiances the older they get. We’re getting into the realms of being obtuse, and looking for problems rather than trying to find solutions to issues.
Rangers fans are just as bad for naming refs they believe to be ‘tims’-surely they’d want that issue dealt with?
As for jeopardising their chances of a Celtic v rangers final-that’s just tough. It happens elsewhere that refs won’t take charge of a derby game. They know that when they take on the role.
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that doesnt prove anything though, these sort of things would go through the courts if needs be and nothing would prove they handnt hcnged the team they support since.
I have never said a ref should not ref one of our games based on what team he supports, like I said were unique in the sense that that vast majority of football fans in our country support 1 of 2 teams.
"As for jeopardising their chances of a Celtic v rangers final-that’s just tough. It happens elsewhere that refs won’t take charge of a derby game. They know that when they take on the role."
this is the very reason for they them to lie.
refs in our game that dont take charge of OFs will have a far smaller chance world cups, euro games where they make their real money and reputation.
if they are outright banned from the biggest games thats every incentive they need to lie. People who we already think are not trustworthy.
posted on 30/1/23
‘The alternative is a rangers or Celtic fan deliberately lies about who they support in order to officiate a Celtic v rangers game. If that’s what we expect from our referees, there’s not much hope for the professional game in Scotland.’
Correct. And it’s not like folk won’t know then throughout the years and be able to show that they’re not being truthful.
It’s crazy to think we can’t implement this system.
Ivan (I think it was) is also correct. The SFA should be doing more outwith Glasgow and Lanarkshire for recruiting.
posted on 30/1/23
I know my opinions on here annoy some but it’s ok to debate and I certainly don’t get personal with posters, in that vain I think there is simply not enough being done to question a hell of a lot of decisions that go Rangers way on and off the field. The referee at the weekend at Ibrox was a disgrace, and it is fair to argue the amount of honest mistakes etc is piling up. Ok call me a mental tin hat daft Tim if you want but I am not. Off the field I know it’s old news but it makes it nonetheless untrue just because it’s old why were a club in administration given a license to play in Europe I have never heard one decent argument to justify that apart from fook off you paranoid tin foil etc.. followed by it was years ago let it go like that ok then
posted on 30/1/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 10 minutes ago
On the handball incidents, Sands against Hibs, Goldson against Dundee Utd and Tavernier against Aberdeen. Tavernier nearly scored an OG with his.
On refs-it’s pretty simple to be able to clarify which team you support in the modern era. Photos, Facebook, Twitter and Instagram all give credible back up when you make your declaration. On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist.
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ok and how do they prove that they havent changed the team you support.
its not about what you know or think its what you can prove.
"On top of that, refs are supposed to be as honest as the day is long, so why would they lie when making their declaration?! Think we’re trying to pick holes when they shouldn’t exist."
but thats the point, if were not letting refs or certain teams ref certain games its cos someone or some group dont believe that they can be fair and honest.
So by asking them to declare their team and ban them from they games your already saying they cant be trusted.
refs wanna manage the biggest games, every ref in our country dreams of an OF... a scottish cup final.
It niave to think they would all jeopardise that chance.
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Literally, the answer is already there. Social media and photos. This isn’t difficult. And I don’t think there’s a lot of folk who change allegiances the older they get. We’re getting into the realms of being obtuse, and looking for problems rather than trying to find solutions to issues.
Rangers fans are just as bad for naming refs they believe to be ‘tims’-surely they’d want that issue dealt with?
As for jeopardising their chances of a Celtic v rangers final-that’s just tough. It happens elsewhere that refs won’t take charge of a derby game. They know that when they take on the role.
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The alternative is a rangers or Celtic fan deliberately lies about who they support in order to officiate a Celtic v rangers game. If that’s what we expect from our referees, there’s not much hope for the professional game in Scotland.
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we already dont trust them however and when you add restrictions to how they can succeed in their career then your asking people you dont already trust to be trustworthy.
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