Not even close.
He's had to be at a club with a Sheikh at the helm who have been breaking the rules too.
Great coach though but Fergie did it with 7 lads from the academy. Also took down the mighty Real Madrid with Aberdeen and broke up the old firm temporarily too.
Fergie is a one off. He will never be surpassed
I would argue Pep & Klopp will be remembered as better managers than Fergie and Wenger in the premiership
The real question is has he surpassed Jose - I think still no until he wins the Europa and Conference League.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not even close.
He's had to be at a club with a Sheikh at the helm who have been breaking the rules too.
Great coach though but Fergie did it with 7 lads from the academy. Also took down the mighty Real Madrid with Aberdeen and broke up the old firm temporarily too.
Fergie is a one off. He will never be surpassed
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Annoyingly I agree with you
People seem to forget the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s
I wonder is any top manager would be expected to win titles and champions leagues with the talent Pep has had to work with at Barca, Bayern and City?
Pep is still one of the best ever though.
comment by Harambe GPT (U22339)
posted 29 seconds ago
I would argue Pep & Klopp will be remembered as better managers than Fergie and Wenger in the premiership
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In the premiership? No, Fergie will always be the king in that regard. Wenger vs Klopp is much more of a debate.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not even close.
He's had to be at a club with a Sheikh at the helm who have been breaking the rules too.
Great coach though but Fergie did it with 7 lads from the academy. Also took down the mighty Real Madrid with Aberdeen and broke up the old firm temporarily too.
Fergie is a one off. He will never be surpassed
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What do you mean not even close? Who else will have won the treble other than those two in England? Pep has already done what Fergie did at Barca regards to academy players, so we’re looking at two trebles in two of the most difficult leagues in the world. Unprecedented stuff.
Yes the money spent at city has been cheating, however. But they are a lot closer in their abilities to get results and trophies.
Id like to see Pep do what he did at Barca in the Premier League, at a club that wasn't cheating.
Remember Fergie threatened to downmark officals who gave decisions against United - Threatening their career progressions and had journalists who criticised United thrown out off pressers, also threatening their careers.
He relentlessly tapped up players at other clubs and United blew everyone else out of the water both with their spending and wages.
In conclusion, Pep is better.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 28 seconds ago
Remember Fergie threatened to downmark officals who gave decisions against United - Threatening their career progressions and had journalists who criticised United thrown out off pressers, also threatening their careers.
He relentlessly tapped up players at other clubs and United blew everyone else out of the water both with their spending and wages.
In conclusion, Pep is better.
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He also took over a club who hasn’t won a title since the 60s, in a league who weren’t competitive in Europe, going in to rebuild his side 4/5 times over a 25 year period. Nobody else has done that.
As for blowing clubs out of the water financially, he managed to compete with Chelsea and City.
Pep is a great thought, certainly a conversation to be had. I think he’s a better coach in terms of tactics.
comment by 50 trust the process (U1147)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not even close.
He's had to be at a club with a Sheikh at the helm who have been breaking the rules too.
Great coach though but Fergie did it with 7 lads from the academy. Also took down the mighty Real Madrid with Aberdeen and broke up the old firm temporarily too.
Fergie is a one off. He will never be surpassed
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What do you mean not even close? Who else will have won the treble other than those two in England? Pep has already done what Fergie did at Barca regards to academy players, so we’re looking at two trebles in two of the most difficult leagues in the world. Unprecedented stuff.
Yes the money spent at city has been cheating, however. But they are a lot closer in their abilities to get results and trophies.
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Thing is, English sides are now the pinnacle of European football. There is only Madrid to compete with.
Kudos, part of that is down to pep, but when Fergie won the treble English football was the pits.
comment by Radical (U8691)
posted 22 minutes ago
The real question is has he surpassed Jose - I think still no until he wins the Europa and Conference League.
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Obviously Mourinho is number one Kebab dude, I doubt anyone will ever surpass him.
We'll never know but I wonder how Fergie would have fared with FFP and VAR?
comment by Harambe GPT (U22339)
posted 25 minutes ago
People seem to forget the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s
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presumably they forget it because it isn't true
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Harambe GPT (U22339)
posted 25 minutes ago
People seem to forget the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s
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presumably they forget it because it isn't true
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Yep, Fergie never broke the transfer record.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Harambe GPT (U22339)
posted 25 minutes ago
People seem to forget the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s
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presumably they forget it because it isn't true
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Yep, Fergie never broke the transfer record.
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yes, because breaking the individual transfer record is all you need to prove "the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s".
always amazes me on here the ignorance of many posters on fairly recent football history, like they've never heard of roman abrahamovich for instance
Imo, City will miss out on the treble. They won't get the CL. If they do, they deserve all the accolades. By the way, Pep does not have to prove anything to anyone. He is probably the best manager out there, and to do it in this day and age speaks volume about him. When SAF was manager, United were the only club that we spending huge money to win the title, bar the season when Blackburn did the same and won the title.
Now, you have Chelsea, Utd, City, Liverpool and even Arsenal all spending like no tomorrow and yet Pep's City is walking all over them and taking the trophy year in and year out.
for the op.
of course not.
FWIW, I think Pep needs 4 further years of domestic and certainly some European success for a direct comparison to be made.
Fergie inherited the most expensive player in the country in Bryan Robson then broke the record himself with Roy Keane. The idea he did it on a shoestring is just folklore generated by the United PR team.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 22 seconds ago
The idea he did it on a shoestring is just folklore generated by the United PR team.
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literally no one has claimed this. but you would concede that there is quite a large space between "doing it on a shoestring" and "the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s"? and that, just possibly, the truth lies somewhere between those two extremes?
Pep wouldn't have taken Aberdeen to Cup winners cup win over Madrid and broke up the old firm.
His style of football requires having the best players. You can't play tika taka without them.
Fergie for that reason among many others is clear. He could win a variety of ways.
comment by Harambe GPT (U22339)
posted 39 minutes ago
People seem to forget the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s
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They forget it because it's a blatant lie. Liverpool spent more than any other club in the 90s. Arsenal and Newcastle also outspent United in that decade. The Blackburn squad that won the league in 94-95 was also more expensive than the United squad of the time. As for the 00s, Roman bought Chelsea in 03, so you're using serious creative licence here. Have Liverpool got round to spending the Coutinho money yet?
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 5 minutes ago
Pep wouldn't have taken Aberdeen to Cup winners cup win over Madrid and broke up the old firm.
His style of football requires having the best players. You can't play tika taka without them.
Fergie for that reason among many others is clear. He could win a variety of ways.
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Equally, you could argue Pep handed Sir Alex his ass twice in Champions League finals with that style of football. Neither match was even close.
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posted on 23/4/23
Not even close.
He's had to be at a club with a Sheikh at the helm who have been breaking the rules too.
Great coach though but Fergie did it with 7 lads from the academy. Also took down the mighty Real Madrid with Aberdeen and broke up the old firm temporarily too.
Fergie is a one off. He will never be surpassed
posted on 23/4/23
I would argue Pep & Klopp will be remembered as better managers than Fergie and Wenger in the premiership
posted on 23/4/23
The real question is has he surpassed Jose - I think still no until he wins the Europa and Conference League.
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not even close.
He's had to be at a club with a Sheikh at the helm who have been breaking the rules too.
Great coach though but Fergie did it with 7 lads from the academy. Also took down the mighty Real Madrid with Aberdeen and broke up the old firm temporarily too.
Fergie is a one off. He will never be surpassed
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Annoyingly I agree with you
posted on 23/4/23
People seem to forget the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s
posted on 23/4/23
I wonder is any top manager would be expected to win titles and champions leagues with the talent Pep has had to work with at Barca, Bayern and City?
posted on 23/4/23
Pep is still one of the best ever though.
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Harambe GPT (U22339)
posted 29 seconds ago
I would argue Pep & Klopp will be remembered as better managers than Fergie and Wenger in the premiership
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In the premiership? No, Fergie will always be the king in that regard. Wenger vs Klopp is much more of a debate.
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not even close.
He's had to be at a club with a Sheikh at the helm who have been breaking the rules too.
Great coach though but Fergie did it with 7 lads from the academy. Also took down the mighty Real Madrid with Aberdeen and broke up the old firm temporarily too.
Fergie is a one off. He will never be surpassed
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What do you mean not even close? Who else will have won the treble other than those two in England? Pep has already done what Fergie did at Barca regards to academy players, so we’re looking at two trebles in two of the most difficult leagues in the world. Unprecedented stuff.
Yes the money spent at city has been cheating, however. But they are a lot closer in their abilities to get results and trophies.
posted on 23/4/23
Id like to see Pep do what he did at Barca in the Premier League, at a club that wasn't cheating.
posted on 23/4/23
Remember Fergie threatened to downmark officals who gave decisions against United - Threatening their career progressions and had journalists who criticised United thrown out off pressers, also threatening their careers.
He relentlessly tapped up players at other clubs and United blew everyone else out of the water both with their spending and wages.
In conclusion, Pep is better.
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 28 seconds ago
Remember Fergie threatened to downmark officals who gave decisions against United - Threatening their career progressions and had journalists who criticised United thrown out off pressers, also threatening their careers.
He relentlessly tapped up players at other clubs and United blew everyone else out of the water both with their spending and wages.
In conclusion, Pep is better.
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He also took over a club who hasn’t won a title since the 60s, in a league who weren’t competitive in Europe, going in to rebuild his side 4/5 times over a 25 year period. Nobody else has done that.
As for blowing clubs out of the water financially, he managed to compete with Chelsea and City.
Pep is a great thought, certainly a conversation to be had. I think he’s a better coach in terms of tactics.
posted on 23/4/23
comment by 50 trust the process (U1147)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not even close.
He's had to be at a club with a Sheikh at the helm who have been breaking the rules too.
Great coach though but Fergie did it with 7 lads from the academy. Also took down the mighty Real Madrid with Aberdeen and broke up the old firm temporarily too.
Fergie is a one off. He will never be surpassed
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What do you mean not even close? Who else will have won the treble other than those two in England? Pep has already done what Fergie did at Barca regards to academy players, so we’re looking at two trebles in two of the most difficult leagues in the world. Unprecedented stuff.
Yes the money spent at city has been cheating, however. But they are a lot closer in their abilities to get results and trophies.
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Thing is, English sides are now the pinnacle of European football. There is only Madrid to compete with.
Kudos, part of that is down to pep, but when Fergie won the treble English football was the pits.
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Radical (U8691)
posted 22 minutes ago
The real question is has he surpassed Jose - I think still no until he wins the Europa and Conference League.
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Obviously Mourinho is number one Kebab dude, I doubt anyone will ever surpass him.
posted on 23/4/23
We'll never know but I wonder how Fergie would have fared with FFP and VAR?
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Harambe GPT (U22339)
posted 25 minutes ago
People seem to forget the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s
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presumably they forget it because it isn't true
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Harambe GPT (U22339)
posted 25 minutes ago
People seem to forget the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s
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presumably they forget it because it isn't true
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Yep, Fergie never broke the transfer record.
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Harambe GPT (U22339)
posted 25 minutes ago
People seem to forget the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s
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presumably they forget it because it isn't true
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Yep, Fergie never broke the transfer record.
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yes, because breaking the individual transfer record is all you need to prove "the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s".
always amazes me on here the ignorance of many posters on fairly recent football history, like they've never heard of roman abrahamovich for instance
posted on 23/4/23
Imo, City will miss out on the treble. They won't get the CL. If they do, they deserve all the accolades. By the way, Pep does not have to prove anything to anyone. He is probably the best manager out there, and to do it in this day and age speaks volume about him. When SAF was manager, United were the only club that we spending huge money to win the title, bar the season when Blackburn did the same and won the title.
Now, you have Chelsea, Utd, City, Liverpool and even Arsenal all spending like no tomorrow and yet Pep's City is walking all over them and taking the trophy year in and year out.
posted on 23/4/23
for the op.
of course not.
posted on 23/4/23
FWIW, I think Pep needs 4 further years of domestic and certainly some European success for a direct comparison to be made.
Fergie inherited the most expensive player in the country in Bryan Robson then broke the record himself with Roy Keane. The idea he did it on a shoestring is just folklore generated by the United PR team.
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 22 seconds ago
The idea he did it on a shoestring is just folklore generated by the United PR team.
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literally no one has claimed this. but you would concede that there is quite a large space between "doing it on a shoestring" and "the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s"? and that, just possibly, the truth lies somewhere between those two extremes?
posted on 23/4/23
Pep wouldn't have taken Aberdeen to Cup winners cup win over Madrid and broke up the old firm.
His style of football requires having the best players. You can't play tika taka without them.
Fergie for that reason among many others is clear. He could win a variety of ways.
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Harambe GPT (U22339)
posted 39 minutes ago
People seem to forget the financial advantage Utd had on every other club during the 90s and 00s
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They forget it because it's a blatant lie. Liverpool spent more than any other club in the 90s. Arsenal and Newcastle also outspent United in that decade. The Blackburn squad that won the league in 94-95 was also more expensive than the United squad of the time. As for the 00s, Roman bought Chelsea in 03, so you're using serious creative licence here. Have Liverpool got round to spending the Coutinho money yet?
posted on 23/4/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 5 minutes ago
Pep wouldn't have taken Aberdeen to Cup winners cup win over Madrid and broke up the old firm.
His style of football requires having the best players. You can't play tika taka without them.
Fergie for that reason among many others is clear. He could win a variety of ways.
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Equally, you could argue Pep handed Sir Alex his ass twice in Champions League finals with that style of football. Neither match was even close.
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