I think that the huge availability of pron has a HUGE part to play on all of this for both young men & women.
In my young days it was the odd prom mag or a very slow download of a topless photo of a woman. Now? Whatever you want, you can get a video of it, become desensitised to ‘normal’ activities and seek out more and more extreme videos…..all happening on 13-15 year old minds….
Not good
Rapelay in the house defending his hero.
You'd never have guessed it
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 3 minutes ago
I haven't said anything about shrugging anything off. Look it's really clear that this isn't going anywhere productive. I'm not playing this game of needing to 'prove' I don't prescribe to his entire world view.
And yes, when the person I first responded to says that their entire opinion of him is based on what they've heard of other people, I think it's fair to call that lazy.
People cna just keep thinking he's stupid, that's fine but don't ask for examples of him saying things that resonate with people, not liking the answer and then keep wondering why he's resonating with people.
Writing him off as stupid does nothing to understand how or why he's been successful in reaching so many people.
Forgive me for getting it wrong on the goal post thing, I'm responding casually on a phone and haven't always checked whether I'm responding to the same person or not which is a pretty lazy thing to do, so my bad on that.
All I'm saying is he's not stupid. That's not an endorsement of him, his world views, his ideas etc and yes, I think there's value to not immediately disengaging with people who you don't agree with. I only use daryl Davies as an extreme example of proof that there's value to be had even in really extreme cases.
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I haven't implied you subscribe to his entire world view. I'm taking issue with the comments you've made that suggest people who abhor him can be equated with those who fanatically support him. You went on to make a broader point that reasonable people would do well to listen with an open heart to horrific extremists rather than reject them entirely. This strikes me as a strangely ambivalent stance in relation to bigotry. I think one of the reasons extremist views have penetrated the mainstream is a habit within liberal discourse to opt for a neutral position between two sides rather than an objective one that rigorously critiques its subject. This kind of worked when the political landscape was dominated by more or less moderate parties, more or less adhering to truthful discourse. It's disastrous in a culture where charlatans, grifters and liars realise they aren't going to get called out. I'm all for listening in good faith to different perspectives and viewpoints, but there's very little value in engaging in good faith with trolls, misinformation, gaslighting, etc. Which is why I think we ought to be careful about awarding too much credit when an odious man like Tate spouts a bit of inoffensive folk wisdom.
Anyway, if you had initially, explicitly framed what you were saying purely as exploring why an odious human being succeeded in resonating with others, I think this would have been a shorter discussion and no one would have disagreed.
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Would have been even shorter if people hadn't inserted their own narrative into what I said.
I responded to someone saying they've asked for examples of smart things he's said and never had anyone answer. I answered with some of the things he said that have nothing to do with the other, less positive or intelligent things and made the point that someone being a bad person doesn't mean that everything they say is terrible.
That in itself should be enough to not automatically assume I'm a supporter of his, the angle I was going down seemed pretty clear to me and I didn't make any assertion that I think would lead someone to reasonably think otherwise.
So I didn't include an explicit disclaimer because I felt there's enough in what I've said to at least not think I'm arguing anything other than what I've just said I was arguing. The tone and direction this has taken though shows that's how people took it.
Which somewhat feeds into my point that both sides are as annoying as others. You can't have a reasonable conversation about the matter with someone who heavily supports him and you also can't have it with the people who hate him.
When someone will go into a thread titled about someone they've never heard speak and put forth an opinion about the things they've spoken, I think that's problematic. I don't think it's an honest, helpful or intelligent way to go about things at all and in ways just as bad as the people who defend him no matter what. Neither party is having an honest discussion and I personally find that frustrating which is why I responded in the first place.
Unfortunately for me, having to point out the bad logic leads people to jump to other conclusions which then means I have to put a disclaimer in for something that would have been a given, had they not jumped to conclusions.
When it's controversial to say that he's not a stupid guy, it's obvious you're dealing with people who have no interest in the detail around him, they just spout baseless opinions and I'll call that out when I see it just in the same way I will call out other dishonest or bad behaviours.
Having public opinions about things that you can't even pretend you've looked into etc is no less ignorant than some of the things Andrew Tate says. It's just a different kind of stupid. I will call both stupid. I have no emotional attachment to either side of the argument. Andrew Tate is ignorant but so is the person whose comment I initially replied to. Both ignorant and dishonest, just for different reasons.
Think that's me done for one day.
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First of all I didn't say he was stupid, as I said before I haven't read or listened to much if what he's said. I said the only people who I've met who supported him, who told me he says 'smart stuff' when asked what this was, it turned out to actually be stupid stuff.
Somebody stated on this article he also has smart things to say(may have been you) and I asked for an example of this. You gave me some general knowledge stuff that anybody has been told since they were children.
I then decided to leave it as I haven't read enough of him, nor care too much about him but you seem to be passionate about it, so I thought I'd leave you to debate with the other people who seem to be passionate about him.
Just clearing up your incorrect statement.
Although I think if you have an opinion of women that determines they're inferior to you and you exploit them for your own benefit, ending up in court over it, that makes you stupid. I suppose thats just my opinion however, although I'm sure most people who aren't sexist and treat women like objects would agree with that opinion.
But at least he says some smart things...apparently.
Seems many on here don't know the difference between being charged and convicted.
Should I be surprised, should I???
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 55 minutes ago
Rapelay in the house defending his hero.
You'd never have guessed it
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🤣🤣🤣
Let me give you some laughs you imbecile.
My hero is my father. He taught me to go out and not be stuck in a basement and getting fed by my mum like this chump!
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please'of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 55 minutes ago
Rapelay in the house defending his hero.
You'd never have guessed it
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🤣🤣🤣
Let me give you some laughs you imbecile.
My hero is my father. He taught me to go out and not be stuck in a basement and getting fed by my mum like this chump!
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Calm down Rapelay. We know you get triggered when people mock your hero Tatelay.
Did your father beat you and your mother into submission too? Kinda makes sense now.
Scholey just sent his latest $1,000 payment too Hustler Academy. He all hype up
comment by #4zA Napul3 (U22472)
posted 38 seconds ago
Scholey just sent his latest $1,000 payment too Hustler Academy. He all hype up
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Don't be a lover and take any sh!t (and give me £5k)
Thought scholay would be appalled by Tate for being charged with raaape seeing as he’s good looking like Mendy and doesn’t need to.
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by #4zA Napul3 (U22472)
posted 38 seconds ago
Scholey just sent his latest $1,000 payment too Hustler Academy. He all hype up
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Don't be a lover and take any sh!t (and give me £5k)
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Back in your mums basement you weak imbecile.
That's usually a Rapelay line right?
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 seconds ago
Thought scholay would be appalled by Tate for being charged with raaape seeing as he’s good looking like Mendy and doesn’t need to.
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He advocates the gym too. Didn't you know?
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 seconds ago
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
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He also said u shud go 2 gym n not eat 2 many carbs
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
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London is broken. Imagine living in a world where you call out rapey cants.
What a society we live in.
Now write that in reverse and you get Miniature Rapeys like Rapelay.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
I think that the huge availability of pron has a HUGE part to play on all of this for both young men & women.
In my young days it was the odd prom mag or a very slow download of a topless photo of a woman. Now? Whatever you want, you can get a video of it, become desensitised to ‘normal’ activities and seek out more and more extreme videos…..all happening on 13-15 year old minds….
Not good
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Younger than that, and that's the real issue at play here. Tate is just a parasite taking a small piece of the behemoth sexual exploitation industry.
Did u see that about the monkey torture ring that had oeople pay em 2 watch torture por little baby monkeys?
Internet is Hell manifest on earth.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 hours, 51 minutes ago
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
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Vice still around? Didn't they have their own sexual harrasment issues?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
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Not that I have much skin in this game but an anonymous person really doesn’t hold much weight at all.
And I really don’t rate VICE either.
comment by CurrentlyInTheUK (U11181)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 hours, 51 minutes ago
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
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Vice still around? Didn't they have their own sexual harrasment issues?
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They did indeed. But hey Lisa is right and the ultimate truth teller.
To all those attacking Vice as a source, that was one random article reporting basically the same story among many others, both left- and right-leaning media (from the Guardian to the Sun). And as I said, the key Tate quotes about his grooming method are on videos he freely circulated.
comment by #4zA Napul3 (U22472)
posted 8 hours, 54 minutes ago
Did u see that about the monkey torture ring that had oeople pay em 2 watch torture por little baby monkeys?
Internet is Hell manifest on earth.
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I saw the report on BBC news yesterday morning.
The level of depravity these "people" sink too is utterly mind bending.
There was person called Grace - woman? - who asked the guy doing the torturing, "can you pull its teeth out".
This society is fuсked up the aѕѕ and I cannot see how we can ever drag ourselves out of it
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 seconds ago
To all those attacking Vice as a source, that was one random article reporting basically the same story among many others, both left- and right-leaning media (from the Guardian to the Sun). And as I said, the key Tate quotes about his grooming method are on videos he freely circulated.
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That doesn’t mean that it’s anything other than terrible journalism, whether repeated or not.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 seconds ago
To all those attacking Vice as a source, that was one random article reporting basically the same story among many others, both left- and right-leaning media (from the Guardian to the Sun). And as I said, the key Tate quotes about his grooming method are on videos he freely circulated.
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That doesn’t mean that it’s anything other than terrible journalism, whether repeated or not.
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But that's rather beside the point that I was making, which was reminding the forum (at a time when several people were actively defending him on the basis that there's nothing wrong with him) of some of the things that Tate has indisputably said. I didn't post it as an example of great journalism, and didn't invite people to endorse the framing of the article itself, which in fact I didn't read: it was just the first search result I found when looking for the quotes I recalled watching come from his own mouth. I could have shared a Guardian article, in which case there would have been a chorus of "ah, of course progressives are out to get him" or a Sun article - "do you believe what they print in the Sun?" But the fact is multiple journalistic sources confirm the same quotes, which are also available on a video that to the best of my knowledge he produced himself, where he describes how he manipulates women to fall in love with him, tries them out to see if they are "quality" and then uses their emotional attachment to him to induce them to perform in front of webcams. There are a few people who are explicitly defending him on this forum who haven't directly engaged with this, and I wanted to challenge them to acknowledge this is part of what they are endorsing, and put them on the record as to whether they think this is also fine. In this context, nit-picking about Vice seems pedantic.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 seconds ago
To all those attacking Vice as a source, that was one random article reporting basically the same story among many others, both left- and right-leaning media (from the Guardian to the Sun). And as I said, the key Tate quotes about his grooming method are on videos he freely circulated.
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That doesn’t mean that it’s anything other than terrible journalism, whether repeated or not.
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But that's rather beside the point that I was making, which was reminding the forum (at a time when several people were actively defending him on the basis that there's nothing wrong with him) of some of the things that Tate has indisputably said. I didn't post it as an example of great journalism, and didn't invite people to endorse the framing of the article itself, which in fact I didn't read: it was just the first search result I found when looking for the quotes I recalled watching come from his own mouth. I could have shared a Guardian article, in which case there would have been a chorus of "ah, of course progressives are out to get him" or a Sun article - "do you believe what they print in the Sun?" But the fact is multiple journalistic sources confirm the same quotes, which are also available on a video that to the best of my knowledge he produced himself, where he describes how he manipulates women to fall in love with him, tries them out to see if they are "quality" and then uses their emotional attachment to him to induce them to perform in front of webcams. There are a few people who are explicitly defending him on this forum who haven't directly engaged with this, and I wanted to challenge them to acknowledge this is part of what they are endorsing, and put them on the record as to whether they think this is also fine. In this context, nit-picking about Vice seems pedantic.
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 seconds ago
To all those attacking Vice as a source, that was one random article reporting basically the same story among many others, both left- and right-leaning media (from the Guardian to the Sun). And as I said, the key Tate quotes about his grooming method are on videos he freely circulated.
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That doesn’t mean that it’s anything other than terrible journalism, whether repeated or not.
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But that's rather beside the point that I was making, which was reminding the forum (at a time when several people were actively defending him on the basis that there's nothing wrong with him) of some of the things that Tate has indisputably said. I didn't post it as an example of great journalism, and didn't invite people to endorse the framing of the article itself, which in fact I didn't read: it was just the first search result I found when looking for the quotes I recalled watching come from his own mouth. I could have shared a Guardian article, in which case there would have been a chorus of "ah, of course progressives are out to get him" or a Sun article - "do you believe what they print in the Sun?" But the fact is multiple journalistic sources confirm the same quotes, which are also available on a video that to the best of my knowledge he produced himself, where he describes how he manipulates women to fall in love with him, tries them out to see if they are "quality" and then uses their emotional attachment to him to induce them to perform in front of webcams. There are a few people who are explicitly defending him on this forum who haven't directly engaged with this, and I wanted to challenge them to acknowledge this is part of what they are endorsing, and put them on the record as to whether they think this is also fine. In this context, nit-picking about Vice seems pedantic.
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Ah I see, thank you for clarifying your intentions. But I think the quality of the journalism is relevant as it calls into question the veracity and honesty of the quotes provided.
Regarding direct quotes, I also don’t really put much faith in that either until full quotes are provided. Quoting a sentence in isolation can completely alter the meaning.
Disclaimer - he very much might have said and truly meant all sorts of deplorable things. He says it’s always out of context, quotes imply otherwise. Currently it’s accuse, accuse and deny, deny. Time will tell us more hopefully.
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posted on 20/6/23
I think that the huge availability of pron has a HUGE part to play on all of this for both young men & women.
In my young days it was the odd prom mag or a very slow download of a topless photo of a woman. Now? Whatever you want, you can get a video of it, become desensitised to ‘normal’ activities and seek out more and more extreme videos…..all happening on 13-15 year old minds….
Not good
posted on 20/6/23
Rapelay in the house defending his hero.
You'd never have guessed it
posted on 20/6/23
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TheFoxOutsideTheBox (U20459)
posted 3 minutes ago
I haven't said anything about shrugging anything off. Look it's really clear that this isn't going anywhere productive. I'm not playing this game of needing to 'prove' I don't prescribe to his entire world view.
And yes, when the person I first responded to says that their entire opinion of him is based on what they've heard of other people, I think it's fair to call that lazy.
People cna just keep thinking he's stupid, that's fine but don't ask for examples of him saying things that resonate with people, not liking the answer and then keep wondering why he's resonating with people.
Writing him off as stupid does nothing to understand how or why he's been successful in reaching so many people.
Forgive me for getting it wrong on the goal post thing, I'm responding casually on a phone and haven't always checked whether I'm responding to the same person or not which is a pretty lazy thing to do, so my bad on that.
All I'm saying is he's not stupid. That's not an endorsement of him, his world views, his ideas etc and yes, I think there's value to not immediately disengaging with people who you don't agree with. I only use daryl Davies as an extreme example of proof that there's value to be had even in really extreme cases.
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I haven't implied you subscribe to his entire world view. I'm taking issue with the comments you've made that suggest people who abhor him can be equated with those who fanatically support him. You went on to make a broader point that reasonable people would do well to listen with an open heart to horrific extremists rather than reject them entirely. This strikes me as a strangely ambivalent stance in relation to bigotry. I think one of the reasons extremist views have penetrated the mainstream is a habit within liberal discourse to opt for a neutral position between two sides rather than an objective one that rigorously critiques its subject. This kind of worked when the political landscape was dominated by more or less moderate parties, more or less adhering to truthful discourse. It's disastrous in a culture where charlatans, grifters and liars realise they aren't going to get called out. I'm all for listening in good faith to different perspectives and viewpoints, but there's very little value in engaging in good faith with trolls, misinformation, gaslighting, etc. Which is why I think we ought to be careful about awarding too much credit when an odious man like Tate spouts a bit of inoffensive folk wisdom.
Anyway, if you had initially, explicitly framed what you were saying purely as exploring why an odious human being succeeded in resonating with others, I think this would have been a shorter discussion and no one would have disagreed.
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Would have been even shorter if people hadn't inserted their own narrative into what I said.
I responded to someone saying they've asked for examples of smart things he's said and never had anyone answer. I answered with some of the things he said that have nothing to do with the other, less positive or intelligent things and made the point that someone being a bad person doesn't mean that everything they say is terrible.
That in itself should be enough to not automatically assume I'm a supporter of his, the angle I was going down seemed pretty clear to me and I didn't make any assertion that I think would lead someone to reasonably think otherwise.
So I didn't include an explicit disclaimer because I felt there's enough in what I've said to at least not think I'm arguing anything other than what I've just said I was arguing. The tone and direction this has taken though shows that's how people took it.
Which somewhat feeds into my point that both sides are as annoying as others. You can't have a reasonable conversation about the matter with someone who heavily supports him and you also can't have it with the people who hate him.
When someone will go into a thread titled about someone they've never heard speak and put forth an opinion about the things they've spoken, I think that's problematic. I don't think it's an honest, helpful or intelligent way to go about things at all and in ways just as bad as the people who defend him no matter what. Neither party is having an honest discussion and I personally find that frustrating which is why I responded in the first place.
Unfortunately for me, having to point out the bad logic leads people to jump to other conclusions which then means I have to put a disclaimer in for something that would have been a given, had they not jumped to conclusions.
When it's controversial to say that he's not a stupid guy, it's obvious you're dealing with people who have no interest in the detail around him, they just spout baseless opinions and I'll call that out when I see it just in the same way I will call out other dishonest or bad behaviours.
Having public opinions about things that you can't even pretend you've looked into etc is no less ignorant than some of the things Andrew Tate says. It's just a different kind of stupid. I will call both stupid. I have no emotional attachment to either side of the argument. Andrew Tate is ignorant but so is the person whose comment I initially replied to. Both ignorant and dishonest, just for different reasons.
Think that's me done for one day.
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First of all I didn't say he was stupid, as I said before I haven't read or listened to much if what he's said. I said the only people who I've met who supported him, who told me he says 'smart stuff' when asked what this was, it turned out to actually be stupid stuff.
Somebody stated on this article he also has smart things to say(may have been you) and I asked for an example of this. You gave me some general knowledge stuff that anybody has been told since they were children.
I then decided to leave it as I haven't read enough of him, nor care too much about him but you seem to be passionate about it, so I thought I'd leave you to debate with the other people who seem to be passionate about him.
Just clearing up your incorrect statement.
Although I think if you have an opinion of women that determines they're inferior to you and you exploit them for your own benefit, ending up in court over it, that makes you stupid. I suppose thats just my opinion however, although I'm sure most people who aren't sexist and treat women like objects would agree with that opinion.
But at least he says some smart things...apparently.
posted on 20/6/23
Seems many on here don't know the difference between being charged and convicted.
Should I be surprised, should I???
posted on 20/6/23
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please' of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 55 minutes ago
Rapelay in the house defending his hero.
You'd never have guessed it
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🤣🤣🤣
Let me give you some laughs you imbecile.
My hero is my father. He taught me to go out and not be stuck in a basement and getting fed by my mum like this chump!
posted on 20/6/23
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ten Haaaagendas please'of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 55 minutes ago
Rapelay in the house defending his hero.
You'd never have guessed it
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🤣🤣🤣
Let me give you some laughs you imbecile.
My hero is my father. He taught me to go out and not be stuck in a basement and getting fed by my mum like this chump!
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Calm down Rapelay. We know you get triggered when people mock your hero Tatelay.
Did your father beat you and your mother into submission too? Kinda makes sense now.
posted on 20/6/23
Scholey just sent his latest $1,000 payment too Hustler Academy. He all hype up
posted on 20/6/23
comment by #4zA Napul3 (U22472)
posted 38 seconds ago
Scholey just sent his latest $1,000 payment too Hustler Academy. He all hype up
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Don't be a lover and take any sh!t (and give me £5k)
posted on 20/6/23
Thought scholay would be appalled by Tate for being charged with raaape seeing as he’s good looking like Mendy and doesn’t need to.
posted on 20/6/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by #4zA Napul3 (U22472)
posted 38 seconds ago
Scholey just sent his latest $1,000 payment too Hustler Academy. He all hype up
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Don't be a lover and take any sh!t (and give me £5k)
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Back in your mums basement you weak imbecile.
That's usually a Rapelay line right?
posted on 20/6/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 seconds ago
Thought scholay would be appalled by Tate for being charged with raaape seeing as he’s good looking like Mendy and doesn’t need to.
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He advocates the gym too. Didn't you know?
posted on 20/6/23
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
posted on 20/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 seconds ago
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
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He also said u shud go 2 gym n not eat 2 many carbs
posted on 20/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
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London is broken. Imagine living in a world where you call out rapey cants.
What a society we live in.
Now write that in reverse and you get Miniature Rapeys like Rapelay.
posted on 20/6/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
I think that the huge availability of pron has a HUGE part to play on all of this for both young men & women.
In my young days it was the odd prom mag or a very slow download of a topless photo of a woman. Now? Whatever you want, you can get a video of it, become desensitised to ‘normal’ activities and seek out more and more extreme videos…..all happening on 13-15 year old minds….
Not good
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Younger than that, and that's the real issue at play here. Tate is just a parasite taking a small piece of the behemoth sexual exploitation industry.
posted on 20/6/23
Did u see that about the monkey torture ring that had oeople pay em 2 watch torture por little baby monkeys?
Internet is Hell manifest on earth.
posted on 21/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 hours, 51 minutes ago
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
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Vice still around? Didn't they have their own sexual harrasment issues?
posted on 21/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
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Not that I have much skin in this game but an anonymous person really doesn’t hold much weight at all.
And I really don’t rate VICE either.
posted on 21/6/23
comment by CurrentlyInTheUK (U11181)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 hours, 51 minutes ago
For those who are actively defending Tate, worth reading this:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7v94y/andrew-tate-tinder-camgirls
Some of the more unpleasant quotes attributed to Tate in relation to grooming women I've seen him saying freely to camera, and I'm not clear what kind of additional context would make it more alright.
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Vice still around? Didn't they have their own sexual harrasment issues?
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They did indeed. But hey Lisa is right and the ultimate truth teller.
posted on 21/6/23
To all those attacking Vice as a source, that was one random article reporting basically the same story among many others, both left- and right-leaning media (from the Guardian to the Sun). And as I said, the key Tate quotes about his grooming method are on videos he freely circulated.
posted on 21/6/23
comment by #4zA Napul3 (U22472)
posted 8 hours, 54 minutes ago
Did u see that about the monkey torture ring that had oeople pay em 2 watch torture por little baby monkeys?
Internet is Hell manifest on earth.
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I saw the report on BBC news yesterday morning.
The level of depravity these "people" sink too is utterly mind bending.
There was person called Grace - woman? - who asked the guy doing the torturing, "can you pull its teeth out".
This society is fuсked up the aѕѕ and I cannot see how we can ever drag ourselves out of it
posted on 21/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 seconds ago
To all those attacking Vice as a source, that was one random article reporting basically the same story among many others, both left- and right-leaning media (from the Guardian to the Sun). And as I said, the key Tate quotes about his grooming method are on videos he freely circulated.
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That doesn’t mean that it’s anything other than terrible journalism, whether repeated or not.
posted on 21/6/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 seconds ago
To all those attacking Vice as a source, that was one random article reporting basically the same story among many others, both left- and right-leaning media (from the Guardian to the Sun). And as I said, the key Tate quotes about his grooming method are on videos he freely circulated.
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That doesn’t mean that it’s anything other than terrible journalism, whether repeated or not.
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But that's rather beside the point that I was making, which was reminding the forum (at a time when several people were actively defending him on the basis that there's nothing wrong with him) of some of the things that Tate has indisputably said. I didn't post it as an example of great journalism, and didn't invite people to endorse the framing of the article itself, which in fact I didn't read: it was just the first search result I found when looking for the quotes I recalled watching come from his own mouth. I could have shared a Guardian article, in which case there would have been a chorus of "ah, of course progressives are out to get him" or a Sun article - "do you believe what they print in the Sun?" But the fact is multiple journalistic sources confirm the same quotes, which are also available on a video that to the best of my knowledge he produced himself, where he describes how he manipulates women to fall in love with him, tries them out to see if they are "quality" and then uses their emotional attachment to him to induce them to perform in front of webcams. There are a few people who are explicitly defending him on this forum who haven't directly engaged with this, and I wanted to challenge them to acknowledge this is part of what they are endorsing, and put them on the record as to whether they think this is also fine. In this context, nit-picking about Vice seems pedantic.
posted on 21/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 seconds ago
To all those attacking Vice as a source, that was one random article reporting basically the same story among many others, both left- and right-leaning media (from the Guardian to the Sun). And as I said, the key Tate quotes about his grooming method are on videos he freely circulated.
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That doesn’t mean that it’s anything other than terrible journalism, whether repeated or not.
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But that's rather beside the point that I was making, which was reminding the forum (at a time when several people were actively defending him on the basis that there's nothing wrong with him) of some of the things that Tate has indisputably said. I didn't post it as an example of great journalism, and didn't invite people to endorse the framing of the article itself, which in fact I didn't read: it was just the first search result I found when looking for the quotes I recalled watching come from his own mouth. I could have shared a Guardian article, in which case there would have been a chorus of "ah, of course progressives are out to get him" or a Sun article - "do you believe what they print in the Sun?" But the fact is multiple journalistic sources confirm the same quotes, which are also available on a video that to the best of my knowledge he produced himself, where he describes how he manipulates women to fall in love with him, tries them out to see if they are "quality" and then uses their emotional attachment to him to induce them to perform in front of webcams. There are a few people who are explicitly defending him on this forum who haven't directly engaged with this, and I wanted to challenge them to acknowledge this is part of what they are endorsing, and put them on the record as to whether they think this is also fine. In this context, nit-picking about Vice seems pedantic.
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posted on 21/6/23
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 seconds ago
To all those attacking Vice as a source, that was one random article reporting basically the same story among many others, both left- and right-leaning media (from the Guardian to the Sun). And as I said, the key Tate quotes about his grooming method are on videos he freely circulated.
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That doesn’t mean that it’s anything other than terrible journalism, whether repeated or not.
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But that's rather beside the point that I was making, which was reminding the forum (at a time when several people were actively defending him on the basis that there's nothing wrong with him) of some of the things that Tate has indisputably said. I didn't post it as an example of great journalism, and didn't invite people to endorse the framing of the article itself, which in fact I didn't read: it was just the first search result I found when looking for the quotes I recalled watching come from his own mouth. I could have shared a Guardian article, in which case there would have been a chorus of "ah, of course progressives are out to get him" or a Sun article - "do you believe what they print in the Sun?" But the fact is multiple journalistic sources confirm the same quotes, which are also available on a video that to the best of my knowledge he produced himself, where he describes how he manipulates women to fall in love with him, tries them out to see if they are "quality" and then uses their emotional attachment to him to induce them to perform in front of webcams. There are a few people who are explicitly defending him on this forum who haven't directly engaged with this, and I wanted to challenge them to acknowledge this is part of what they are endorsing, and put them on the record as to whether they think this is also fine. In this context, nit-picking about Vice seems pedantic.
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Ah I see, thank you for clarifying your intentions. But I think the quality of the journalism is relevant as it calls into question the veracity and honesty of the quotes provided.
Regarding direct quotes, I also don’t really put much faith in that either until full quotes are provided. Quoting a sentence in isolation can completely alter the meaning.
Disclaimer - he very much might have said and truly meant all sorts of deplorable things. He says it’s always out of context, quotes imply otherwise. Currently it’s accuse, accuse and deny, deny. Time will tell us more hopefully.
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