If we get rid and his career goes the way of Dele Ali and he suffers mentally from it then people will say the club should have done more to help him recover and learn from his alleged terrible mistakes.
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Strongly disagree with this. Hundreds of academy players are released every year without having been publicly outed as a rapist and abuser.
His career won't be over. Someone will pick him up, sadly.
Have you filtered rdd diafol’? Surprised his stench hasn’t wafted into this thread by now…
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 16 seconds ago
Have you filtered rdd diafol’? Surprised his stench hasn’t wafted into this thread by now…
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Alleged stench.
We don't know the context with which the stench was emitted. He could have just farted on the couch for example.
Rosso shared the email address yesterday, which prompted my letter to the club. I wouldn't be surprised if the reply he received was identical to mine.
Many have said " innocent until proven guilty".
That only exists in court. Outside there are thousands of criminals who have never been caught, they are not innocent, just never tried.
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 16 seconds ago
Have you filtered rdd diafol’? Surprised his stench hasn’t wafted into this thread by now…
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Alleged stench.
We don't know the context with which the stench was emitted. He could have just farted on the couch for example.
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may have been a fart or excrement game?
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 1 minute ago
Or show the world that the club won't bend a knee for mob justice and a man who is not found guilty before court has every right to play for United. You can't have it both ways, either trust the law or make the law obsolete and rely on the mob to do justice.
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So the criteria for being a Manchester United player is just "not a criminal"?
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No, innocent until found guilty.
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So you thought Gerrard was not guilty of punching the guy we watched him punch?
ps Greenwood was not found "not guilty"
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
Many have said " innocent until proven guilty".
That only exists in court. Outside there are thousands of criminals who have never been caught, they are not innocent, just never tried.
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comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 42 seconds ago
Many have said " innocent until proven guilty".
That only exists in court. Outside there are thousands of criminals who have never been caught, they are not innocent, just never tried.
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this
I don’t want Greenwood to play for United again, and I think the club should get rid (in whatever form that takes to comply with their legal obligations and also in a way that supports all in loved). However, what I will say is that I have read an awful lot online and on here, including this thread, who claim to speak for woman or to the importance of woman’s voices in this, while totally dismissing the one woman who actually matters in this case. The claims being variations of ‘she only got back with him for money’, ‘she’s a DV victim and they never leave first time’ etc….. etc… the absolute arrogance of this, to speak on someone else’s behalf for ‘for all woman’ etc… is just virtue signalling. Just say you don’t want him to play cause he’s obviously a wrongun and we don’t want that at United. End of. Don’t claim to speak for woman or the importance of this for woman, especially when you disregard the very woman at the centre of it.
Utd could score some major brownie points by taking the moral decision with Mason for sure.....but then in the very next major act of the club we could potentially hand over the keys to Qatar.
Great message that sends out doesn't it. Women's right matter (just not over there in the middle East)
đđđ
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 seconds ago
Many have said " innocent until proven guilty".
That only exists in court. Outside there are thousands of criminals who have never been caught, they are not innocent, just never tried.
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There is a reason for that. Public opinion has never been the standard for a reason.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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I've never filtered anyone on here!
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 29 minutes ago
Or show the world that the club won't bend a knee for mob justice and a man who is not found guilty before court has every right to play for United. You can't have it both ways, either trust the law or make the law obsolete and rely on the mob to do justice.
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He wasn't found not guilty though, it simply never went to court
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 seconds ago
Many have said " innocent until proven guilty".
That only exists in court. Outside there are thousands of criminals who have never been caught, they are not innocent, just never tried.
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There is a reason for that. Public opinion has never been the standard for a reason.
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The calculation that United are likely doing is fairly simple - is it going to cost the club more in lost revenue from sponsors, fans, the womens' team etc to keep him, than the club will generate from having him as an asset.
At the end of the day, as much as we'd all prefer them to take the moral high ground, it just isn't likely - money talks. Public opinion will have an impact on that potentially lost revenue.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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I've never filtered anyone on here!
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Interesting he hasn’t appeared yet then! Maybe he’ll appear when his mum picks him up from summer school after work?
Everytime a Greenwood article is posted it will gives same people the opportunity to re post their same arguement for and against Greenwood each time. I think we all know what everybody thinks about the case by now and until some kind of new clarity, truth and explanations are provided by somebody genuinely ITK who is actually involved in the proceedings then we will all just continue to ramble on about this. Meanwhile it does nothing for this forum and is dividing us all into groups and cliques.
Let us wait till we hear something new as a development and revisit the conversation with better insight another day.
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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I'm an actual Nigerian prince and I take offence with this.
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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I'm an actual Nigerian prince and I take offence with this.
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Sorry I that offended you. Btw can I get my money now, it’s been ages since I sent you 3k? Surely you have the lost gold now?
what will be almost a certainty is that he wont be the same player.
Hard to see this not affecting his mindset, very rarely do footballers who are caught up in stuff like this bounce back and take their career forward. they tne dto end up bouncing from club to club chasing that potential.
He has been off the training field for the best part of a year and a half. away from the club completely at his age that will hinder his development massively in what was prob his most important years in terms of development.
Even if he was to come back its unknown if he will be or ever will be good enough again.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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I've never filtered anyone on here!
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Likewise. Makes no sense to me: if someone says something disagreeable, then disagree/counter it or just ignore it.
Filtering is a such a baby-ish thing to do & someone defeats the point of a forum anyway.
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 7 minutes ago
I don’t want Greenwood to play for United again, and I think the club should get rid (in whatever form that takes to comply with their legal obligations and also in a way that supports all in loved). However, what I will say is that I have read an awful lot online and on here, including this thread, who claim to speak for woman or to the importance of woman’s voices in this, while totally dismissing the one woman who actually matters in this case. The claims being variations of ‘she only got back with him for money’, ‘she’s a DV victim and they never leave first time’ etc….. etc… the absolute arrogance of this, to speak on someone else’s behalf for ‘for all woman’ etc… is just virtue signalling. Just say you don’t want him to play cause he’s obviously a wrongun and we don’t want that at United. End of. Don’t claim to speak for woman or the importance of this for woman, especially when you disregard the very woman at the centre of it.
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Most of the times I've seen people raise the "victims don't always leave their abusers" argument, it's in response to the "they're back together now" line. I don't see that as trying to speak for the victim and certainly not as virtue-signalling. It seems to show an awareness that United's decision has potential ramifications beyond this one case.
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posted on 17/8/23
If we get rid and his career goes the way of Dele Ali and he suffers mentally from it then people will say the club should have done more to help him recover and learn from his alleged terrible mistakes.
----
Strongly disagree with this. Hundreds of academy players are released every year without having been publicly outed as a rapist and abuser.
His career won't be over. Someone will pick him up, sadly.
posted on 17/8/23
Have you filtered rdd diafol’? Surprised his stench hasn’t wafted into this thread by now…
posted on 17/8/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 16 seconds ago
Have you filtered rdd diafol’? Surprised his stench hasn’t wafted into this thread by now…
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Alleged stench.
We don't know the context with which the stench was emitted. He could have just farted on the couch for example.
posted on 17/8/23
Rosso shared the email address yesterday, which prompted my letter to the club. I wouldn't be surprised if the reply he received was identical to mine.
posted on 17/8/23
Many have said " innocent until proven guilty".
That only exists in court. Outside there are thousands of criminals who have never been caught, they are not innocent, just never tried.
posted on 17/8/23
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 16 seconds ago
Have you filtered rdd diafol’? Surprised his stench hasn’t wafted into this thread by now…
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Alleged stench.
We don't know the context with which the stench was emitted. He could have just farted on the couch for example.
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may have been a fart or excrement game?
posted on 17/8/23
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
posted on 17/8/23
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 1 minute ago
Or show the world that the club won't bend a knee for mob justice and a man who is not found guilty before court has every right to play for United. You can't have it both ways, either trust the law or make the law obsolete and rely on the mob to do justice.
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So the criteria for being a Manchester United player is just "not a criminal"?
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No, innocent until found guilty.
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So you thought Gerrard was not guilty of punching the guy we watched him punch?
ps Greenwood was not found "not guilty"
posted on 17/8/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
Many have said " innocent until proven guilty".
That only exists in court. Outside there are thousands of criminals who have never been caught, they are not innocent, just never tried.
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posted on 17/8/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 42 seconds ago
Many have said " innocent until proven guilty".
That only exists in court. Outside there are thousands of criminals who have never been caught, they are not innocent, just never tried.
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this
posted on 17/8/23
I don’t want Greenwood to play for United again, and I think the club should get rid (in whatever form that takes to comply with their legal obligations and also in a way that supports all in loved). However, what I will say is that I have read an awful lot online and on here, including this thread, who claim to speak for woman or to the importance of woman’s voices in this, while totally dismissing the one woman who actually matters in this case. The claims being variations of ‘she only got back with him for money’, ‘she’s a DV victim and they never leave first time’ etc….. etc… the absolute arrogance of this, to speak on someone else’s behalf for ‘for all woman’ etc… is just virtue signalling. Just say you don’t want him to play cause he’s obviously a wrongun and we don’t want that at United. End of. Don’t claim to speak for woman or the importance of this for woman, especially when you disregard the very woman at the centre of it.
posted on 17/8/23
Utd could score some major brownie points by taking the moral decision with Mason for sure.....but then in the very next major act of the club we could potentially hand over the keys to Qatar.
Great message that sends out doesn't it. Women's right matter (just not over there in the middle East)
đđđ
posted on 17/8/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 seconds ago
Many have said " innocent until proven guilty".
That only exists in court. Outside there are thousands of criminals who have never been caught, they are not innocent, just never tried.
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There is a reason for that. Public opinion has never been the standard for a reason.
posted on 17/8/23
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
posted on 17/8/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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posted on 17/8/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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I've never filtered anyone on here!
posted on 17/8/23
comment by Zacab (U18502)
posted 29 minutes ago
Or show the world that the club won't bend a knee for mob justice and a man who is not found guilty before court has every right to play for United. You can't have it both ways, either trust the law or make the law obsolete and rely on the mob to do justice.
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He wasn't found not guilty though, it simply never went to court
posted on 17/8/23
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 30 seconds ago
Many have said " innocent until proven guilty".
That only exists in court. Outside there are thousands of criminals who have never been caught, they are not innocent, just never tried.
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There is a reason for that. Public opinion has never been the standard for a reason.
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The calculation that United are likely doing is fairly simple - is it going to cost the club more in lost revenue from sponsors, fans, the womens' team etc to keep him, than the club will generate from having him as an asset.
At the end of the day, as much as we'd all prefer them to take the moral high ground, it just isn't likely - money talks. Public opinion will have an impact on that potentially lost revenue.
posted on 17/8/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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I've never filtered anyone on here!
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Interesting he hasn’t appeared yet then! Maybe he’ll appear when his mum picks him up from summer school after work?
posted on 17/8/23
Everytime a Greenwood article is posted it will gives same people the opportunity to re post their same arguement for and against Greenwood each time. I think we all know what everybody thinks about the case by now and until some kind of new clarity, truth and explanations are provided by somebody genuinely ITK who is actually involved in the proceedings then we will all just continue to ramble on about this. Meanwhile it does nothing for this forum and is dividing us all into groups and cliques.
Let us wait till we hear something new as a development and revisit the conversation with better insight another day.
posted on 17/8/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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I'm an actual Nigerian prince and I take offence with this.
posted on 17/8/23
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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I'm an actual Nigerian prince and I take offence with this.
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Sorry I that offended you. Btw can I get my money now, it’s been ages since I sent you 3k? Surely you have the lost gold now?
posted on 17/8/23
what will be almost a certainty is that he wont be the same player.
Hard to see this not affecting his mindset, very rarely do footballers who are caught up in stuff like this bounce back and take their career forward. they tne dto end up bouncing from club to club chasing that potential.
He has been off the training field for the best part of a year and a half. away from the club completely at his age that will hinder his development massively in what was prob his most important years in terms of development.
Even if he was to come back its unknown if he will be or ever will be good enough again.
posted on 17/8/23
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’d love to the read the emails from people wanting him to stay and why. I’m sure RDD has written a few already under different aliases.
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Probably got auto filtered into spam as a result of the terrible grammar, spelling mistakes and child like intelligence on display. Will be in the Nigerian Prince scam junk email folder.
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I've never filtered anyone on here!
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Likewise. Makes no sense to me: if someone says something disagreeable, then disagree/counter it or just ignore it.
Filtering is a such a baby-ish thing to do & someone defeats the point of a forum anyway.
posted on 17/8/23
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 7 minutes ago
I don’t want Greenwood to play for United again, and I think the club should get rid (in whatever form that takes to comply with their legal obligations and also in a way that supports all in loved). However, what I will say is that I have read an awful lot online and on here, including this thread, who claim to speak for woman or to the importance of woman’s voices in this, while totally dismissing the one woman who actually matters in this case. The claims being variations of ‘she only got back with him for money’, ‘she’s a DV victim and they never leave first time’ etc….. etc… the absolute arrogance of this, to speak on someone else’s behalf for ‘for all woman’ etc… is just virtue signalling. Just say you don’t want him to play cause he’s obviously a wrongun and we don’t want that at United. End of. Don’t claim to speak for woman or the importance of this for woman, especially when you disregard the very woman at the centre of it.
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Most of the times I've seen people raise the "victims don't always leave their abusers" argument, it's in response to the "they're back together now" line. I don't see that as trying to speak for the victim and certainly not as virtue-signalling. It seems to show an awareness that United's decision has potential ramifications beyond this one case.
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