comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway, off to shiiite on people's pavements and let them deal with what I dumped out of my arrrse on their streets instead of it being a cost to me. If they fined me £6.50 each time I did it, it might put me off doing it to be fair. Or invest in a nappy. But I still fail to see how me taking a dump on other people's streets is an issue. Why should I be punished?
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Just go and live in London, Thames water will just dump your Shiite into the local waterways anyway
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 18 minutes ago
If anything, can we just enjoy the irony of tories arguing against a policy because it is perceived to negatively affect the poor?
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Who are the Tories you’re referring to here?
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posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Give me your reasons for driving into the centre of London and why you need to above other people?
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It’s not central London anymore you moron, could have taken you about 15 seconds to check that before making a fool of yourself.
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This
And even if it was only central London, this affects a lot of people. Small business owners in areas such as building will need to pay this every day, as well as compensate any of their staff who have to pay it.
The lack of public consultation on this has been a disgrace.
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My wife’s 80 something grandparents had to replace their car in order to be compliant and they live in Beckenham ffs.
The whole thing is just yet more poorly thought out legislation in the name of the environment which does nothing other than punish the poor.
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Indeed, they've been forced into taking the least green solution to their problem.
Baz would have them buy a bike so they can go walking hills every weekend coz everyone is like him, right?
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Let's flip it, everyone wants to drive everywhere all of the time. How would that work? How would we reduce that number because clearly it wouldn't work? Open to your solutions? When things reach tipping points in terms of congestion and air pollution we have to put in place policies to address that. It really isn't too radical.
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I'm only gonna talk about Glasgow. My diesel (complete with emission cheat software) isn't compliant. For the couple of times a year I need to I'd like to drive it into the city but don't even have an option of £12.50.
The legal contest is that the air quality targets have already been met by the council's own data. In some cases exceeded by 50%. The measures are not proportionate. The city is already dying from anti-business policies and lack of investment.
Cars will get replaced with cleaner ones as a matter of course as has happened since all time. Let it happen naturally without need to be virtue signallers ffs.
I have plenty ideas to solve the climate crisis. We can have that debate elsewhere.
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That may address the emissions issue, how about the one of congestion, if everyone wanted to drive everywhere for all of their journeys? They all have their shiny nice new electric cars, yet they are still stuck in traffic. Do we reduce the attractiveness of driving to certain problem locations, whilst providing more attractive alternatives? Or sit and be angry in traffic with no solution because you have always been able to drive everywhere so why should that be taken away from you? Everyone in the traffic jam sits with that same stance. Not moving.
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Congestion is no longer a significant issue in Glasgow since they built us a second motorway right into the centre. No reason to believe it will become an issue in future. Happy to help.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Best thing that has happened in London for years.
Khan
Clean air all day long over all the smelly pollution across the capital. Ironically I bet those that are opposed, were those that most wanted smoking banned in pubs.
I long ago gave up driving, but walking in built up areas, and having to breathe in all the toxic air from cars clogging up the roads, has been bad for my health and millions of Londoners for years. I don`t live in London now, and notice the quality of air where I live is much better, but I do like to visit a fair bit, and cleaner air down in London gets a big thumbs up from me.
I don`t want to hear from moaning mums, oh I need to drive my child to school. Walk to school like we used to back in the day. The exercise will do some of the lumps of lard some good as well.
Needs expanding across the whole of the country.
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Sandy, you seem to enjoy people’s misery don’t you mate? You are retired, so it doesn’t affect you one iota. You’re incredibly deluded if you think this is all about clean air ffs 🤦♂️ it’s another money making scheme ripping off the working class, which for some reason you seem to take satisfaction from. I’m fine, I have a newish car as does my wife, so this won’t affect my family but other people like Van drivers etc whose livelihoods are going to be affected by this ain’t in the same boat. Just goes to show what a WUM you are which I already knew to be fair. You hooked me in with your rod proper. Sadik Khan is a c**. The worse london mayor of all time.
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I value clean air Don. I am fed up with walking along pavements, waiting at traffic lights etc, and getting polluted with vehicle discharge on a daily basis.
What`s not to like about clean air. And yes it will hit a few people, but don`t give me all this bollox about poor people. Most of them don`t own cars.
White van man can go and do one, they made my life more expensive by voting for Brexit, so zero sympathy with them re the extra costs for their polluting vehicles. Why should normal taxpayers subsidise them. Let them pay for their own pollution.
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I find it really hard to put my finger on Sandy.
On the one hand he claims to be this Labour voting man of the people, caring for the less advantaged etc.
On the other there always seems to be this ‘I’m alright Jack so screw the rest mentality’ and I think he posts stuff just deliberately wind people up.
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I am a man of the people. I also don`t go for this right wing media nonsense that it is hitting the poor people. If anything it is helping poor people, they are more likely to have problems with poor air quality, because of the life`s that they lead. Most poor people do not own a car for starters, so will be inhaling all the fumes from the better off that do drive everywhere.
It is not a matter of I am all right Jack, that doesn`t come into. I want to live a bit longer and breathing good quality air will enable me to do that.
I was a child in the 1950s, and the London smogs killed thousands, including nearly my Mum, who contacted TB during that time because of the poor air quality, and spent 12 months in hospital. So clean air is very much something close to my heart.
This is one of the better ideas a London Mayor has come up with, and it is should be embraced by all.
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A lot of people this is affecting aren’t necessarily ‘poor’ people (though I am sure they are being affected). For example, I consider myself working class. I’ve been impacted by cost of living crisis.
Between myself and brothers we use a car to visit my mum. This is a diesel engine which the government encouraged people to buy. Public transport isn’t really an option because my mum is quite old and can’t walk for too long, and there aren’t many open spaces near the care home to take her.
Is it justifiable that I should pay £12.50 each time I visit my mum because of some ill thought out money making scheme?
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 18 minutes ago
If anything, can we just enjoy the irony of tories arguing against a policy because it is perceived to negatively affect the poor?
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Who are the Tories you’re referring to here?
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Not saying that those who are against it on here are tories. Referring to Tories in general
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posted 28 seconds ago
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posted 25 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Best thing that has happened in London for years.
Khan
Clean air all day long over all the smelly pollution across the capital. Ironically I bet those that are opposed, were those that most wanted smoking banned in pubs.
I long ago gave up driving, but walking in built up areas, and having to breathe in all the toxic air from cars clogging up the roads, has been bad for my health and millions of Londoners for years. I don`t live in London now, and notice the quality of air where I live is much better, but I do like to visit a fair bit, and cleaner air down in London gets a big thumbs up from me.
I don`t want to hear from moaning mums, oh I need to drive my child to school. Walk to school like we used to back in the day. The exercise will do some of the lumps of lard some good as well.
Needs expanding across the whole of the country.
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Sandy, you seem to enjoy people’s misery don’t you mate? You are retired, so it doesn’t affect you one iota. You’re incredibly deluded if you think this is all about clean air ffs 🤦♂️ it’s another money making scheme ripping off the working class, which for some reason you seem to take satisfaction from. I’m fine, I have a newish car as does my wife, so this won’t affect my family but other people like Van drivers etc whose livelihoods are going to be affected by this ain’t in the same boat. Just goes to show what a WUM you are which I already knew to be fair. You hooked me in with your rod proper. Sadik Khan is a c**. The worse london mayor of all time.
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I value clean air Don. I am fed up with walking along pavements, waiting at traffic lights etc, and getting polluted with vehicle discharge on a daily basis.
What`s not to like about clean air. And yes it will hit a few people, but don`t give me all this bollox about poor people. Most of them don`t own cars.
White van man can go and do one, they made my life more expensive by voting for Brexit, so zero sympathy with them re the extra costs for their polluting vehicles. Why should normal taxpayers subsidise them. Let them pay for their own pollution.
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I find it really hard to put my finger on Sandy.
On the one hand he claims to be this Labour voting man of the people, caring for the less advantaged etc.
On the other there always seems to be this ‘I’m alright Jack so screw the rest mentality’ and I think he posts stuff just deliberately wind people up.
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I am a man of the people. I also don`t go for this right wing media nonsense that it is hitting the poor people. If anything it is helping poor people, they are more likely to have problems with poor air quality, because of the life`s that they lead. Most poor people do not own a car for starters, so will be inhaling all the fumes from the better off that do drive everywhere.
It is not a matter of I am all right Jack, that doesn`t come into. I want to live a bit longer and breathing good quality air will enable me to do that.
I was a child in the 1950s, and the London smogs killed thousands, including nearly my Mum, who contacted TB during that time because of the poor air quality, and spent 12 months in hospital. So clean air is very much something close to my heart.
This is one of the better ideas a London Mayor has come up with, and it is should be embraced by all.
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A lot of people this is affecting aren’t necessarily ‘poor’ people (though I am sure they are being affected). For example, I consider myself working class. I’ve been impacted by cost of living crisis.
Between myself and brothers we use a car to visit my mum. This is a diesel engine which the government encouraged people to buy. Public transport isn’t really an option because my mum is quite old and can’t walk for too long, and there aren’t many open spaces near the care home to take her.
Is it justifiable that I should pay £12.50 each time I visit my mum because of some ill thought out money making scheme?
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And that’s exactly what it is Palmers, a huge money making scam.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Give me your reasons for driving into the centre of London and why you need to above other people?
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It’s not central London anymore you moron, could have taken you about 15 seconds to check that before making a fool of yourself.
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This
And even if it was only central London, this affects a lot of people. Small business owners in areas such as building will need to pay this every day, as well as compensate any of their staff who have to pay it.
The lack of public consultation on this has been a disgrace.
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My wife’s 80 something grandparents had to replace their car in order to be compliant and they live in Beckenham ffs.
The whole thing is just yet more poorly thought out legislation in the name of the environment which does nothing other than punish the poor.
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Indeed, they've been forced into taking the least green solution to their problem.
Baz would have them buy a bike so they can go walking hills every weekend coz everyone is like him, right?
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Let's flip it, everyone wants to drive everywhere all of the time. How would that work? How would we reduce that number because clearly it wouldn't work? Open to your solutions? When things reach tipping points in terms of congestion and air pollution we have to put in place policies to address that. It really isn't too radical.
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I'm only gonna talk about Glasgow. My diesel (complete with emission cheat software) isn't compliant. For the couple of times a year I need to I'd like to drive it into the city but don't even have an option of £12.50.
The legal contest is that the air quality targets have already been met by the council's own data. In some cases exceeded by 50%. The measures are not proportionate. The city is already dying from anti-business policies and lack of investment.
Cars will get replaced with cleaner ones as a matter of course as has happened since all time. Let it happen naturally without need to be virtue signallers ffs.
I have plenty ideas to solve the climate crisis. We can have that debate elsewhere.
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That may address the emissions issue, how about the one of congestion, if everyone wanted to drive everywhere for all of their journeys? They all have their shiny nice new electric cars, yet they are still stuck in traffic. Do we reduce the attractiveness of driving to certain problem locations, whilst providing more attractive alternatives? Or sit and be angry in traffic with no solution because you have always been able to drive everywhere so why should that be taken away from you? Everyone in the traffic jam sits with that same stance. Not moving.
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Congestion is no longer a significant issue in Glasgow since they built us a second motorway right into the centre. No reason to believe it will become an issue in future. Happy to help.
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Or the pedestrianisation of Glasgow city centre that got rid of the clogged up roads and did wonders for businesses, as well as shoppers. Unless you want the cars back and business to suffer? But maybe a guy with a garage in the centre would benefit?
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Best thing that has happened in London for years.
Khan
Clean air all day long over all the smelly pollution across the capital. Ironically I bet those that are opposed, were those that most wanted smoking banned in pubs.
I long ago gave up driving, but walking in built up areas, and having to breathe in all the toxic air from cars clogging up the roads, has been bad for my health and millions of Londoners for years. I don`t live in London now, and notice the quality of air where I live is much better, but I do like to visit a fair bit, and cleaner air down in London gets a big thumbs up from me.
I don`t want to hear from moaning mums, oh I need to drive my child to school. Walk to school like we used to back in the day. The exercise will do some of the lumps of lard some good as well.
Needs expanding across the whole of the country.
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Sandy, you seem to enjoy people’s misery don’t you mate? You are retired, so it doesn’t affect you one iota. You’re incredibly deluded if you think this is all about clean air ffs 🤦♂️ it’s another money making scheme ripping off the working class, which for some reason you seem to take satisfaction from. I’m fine, I have a newish car as does my wife, so this won’t affect my family but other people like Van drivers etc whose livelihoods are going to be affected by this ain’t in the same boat. Just goes to show what a WUM you are which I already knew to be fair. You hooked me in with your rod proper. Sadik Khan is a c**. The worse london mayor of all time.
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I value clean air Don. I am fed up with walking along pavements, waiting at traffic lights etc, and getting polluted with vehicle discharge on a daily basis.
What`s not to like about clean air. And yes it will hit a few people, but don`t give me all this bollox about poor people. Most of them don`t own cars.
White van man can go and do one, they made my life more expensive by voting for Brexit, so zero sympathy with them re the extra costs for their polluting vehicles. Why should normal taxpayers subsidise them. Let them pay for their own pollution.
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I find it really hard to put my finger on Sandy.
On the one hand he claims to be this Labour voting man of the people, caring for the less advantaged etc.
On the other there always seems to be this ‘I’m alright Jack so screw the rest mentality’ and I think he posts stuff just deliberately wind people up.
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I am a man of the people. I also don`t go for this right wing media nonsense that it is hitting the poor people. If anything it is helping poor people, they are more likely to have problems with poor air quality, because of the life`s that they lead. Most poor people do not own a car for starters, so will be inhaling all the fumes from the better off that do drive everywhere.
It is not a matter of I am all right Jack, that doesn`t come into. I want to live a bit longer and breathing good quality air will enable me to do that.
I was a child in the 1950s, and the London smogs killed thousands, including nearly my Mum, who contacted TB during that time because of the poor air quality, and spent 12 months in hospital. So clean air is very much something close to my heart.
This is one of the better ideas a London Mayor has come up with, and it is should be embraced by all.
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A lot of people this is affecting aren’t necessarily ‘poor’ people (though I am sure they are being affected). For example, I consider myself working class. I’ve been impacted by cost of living crisis.
Between myself and brothers we use a car to visit my mum. This is a diesel engine which the government encouraged people to buy. Public transport isn’t really an option because my mum is quite old and can’t walk for too long, and there aren’t many open spaces near the care home to take her.
Is it justifiable that I should pay £12.50 each time I visit my mum because of some ill thought out money making scheme?
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And that’s exactly what it is Palmers, a huge money making scam.
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Of course it is Don. If Khan wants to clean up the air then just introduce a diesel ban. All he’s doing is charging people £12.50 for them using cars they would have used anyway.
Who is all for improvements to transport for poor people who cannot afford cars? Public transport and safer walking and cycling infrastructure? Same people using the poor on here let's hear you? They are currently being unfairly punished through lack of investment in that kind of infrastructure after decades of favouring the richer who can afford cars.
MON THE SLIGHTLY MORE POOR!
comment by Vorsprung durch Poch (U1641)
posted 4 hours, 9 minutes ago
Tbf it’s just against petrol cars / vans built before 2005 / 2006 and diesel cars/vans built before 2015/2016
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There were however figures on BBC this morning giving a 46% reduction in poor air in central london since it was introduced...unsure how true this is
It was also reported that only 3% of cars in the area are non compliant currently
This will go to (I think) 10% in greater London
But £12:50 is scurrilous...£5 would be bad enough
To be fair Khan spoke a lot of sense this morning...& i'm no labour supporter...
Very glad I don't live in london these days mind
Ironically a £5 charge would have made them more money..
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 14 seconds ago
Ironically a £5 charge would have made them more money..
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what...with more flouting the rules you mean
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 4 hours, 38 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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You realise a lot of Burroughs surrounding central London have people who commute to work, go shopping etc just the same as a lot of people on the country?
They created a bus lane in the centre of our town last year...it's always been a through route
it has one single sign pointing you away from the road that used to allow you to go that way...(got caught earlier this year) £30
That's a fackin money making scheme
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 14 seconds ago
Ironically a £5 charge would have made them more money..
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what...with more flouting the rules you mean
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Think about it. Sell pints at a football match for £5 or for £12.50? Which would make you more money? Their price point is set with deterrent in mind, not profit and people's reactions on here back that up, whether they are aware of that or not
Unless you were one of many that bought diesel cars when the government told us to.
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Didn't they advise this 15+ years ago?
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 24 minutes ago
Or the pedestrianisation of Glasgow city centre that got rid of the clogged up roads and did wonders for businesses, as well as shoppers. Unless you want the cars back and business to suffer? But maybe a guy with a garage in the centre would benefit?
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Indeed, have you seen the city? Of course you have - boarded up businesses, dilapidated buildings, manky streets, rubbish overflowing, tramps and illegal fast book bikers mowing you down on said pedestrianised areas?
How much pedestrianised area would you like? The whole thing just for you so you can strut about giving not one fvck for where the money is coming from. The marxist ideal.
In case you hadn't noticed the town if dying, chased by govs of various colours who do not have a clue how to invest to sustain or grow, only how to tax and cut and destroy. Didn't you hear about the late buses being canned because nobody goes into the town any more? Yes, good old supply and demand.
Is it beyond comprehension that people actually aspire to clean, efficient personal transportation and population mobility. It is what civilised societies do. Oh no, virtue signalling and cancelling dissent will work wonders as the country goes to fvck.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 minutes ago
Unless you were one of many that bought diesel cars when the government told us to.
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Didn't they advise this 15+ years ago?
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Hadn't you noticed cars tend to run easily this long these days?
And remember when diesel was cheaper too then when the gov urged people to switch they realised they were losing out on fuel duty so they started taxing it more to make up. Same will happen with electric. They are already setting that scene the heavier electric cars cause more road damage! Facking scheite laid roads that break up every winter whilst somehow colder Germany seems to manage.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 24 minutes ago
Or the pedestrianisation of Glasgow city centre that got rid of the clogged up roads and did wonders for businesses, as well as shoppers. Unless you want the cars back and business to suffer? But maybe a guy with a garage in the centre would benefit?
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Indeed, have you seen the city? Of course you have - boarded up businesses, dilapidated buildings, manky streets, rubbish overflowing, tramps and illegal fast book bikers mowing you down on said pedestrianised areas?
How much pedestrianised area would you like? The whole thing just for you so you can strut about giving not one fvck for where the money is coming from. The marxist ideal.
In case you hadn't noticed the town if dying, chased by govs of various colours who do not have a clue how to invest to sustain or grow, only how to tax and cut and destroy. Didn't you hear about the late buses being canned because nobody goes into the town any more? Yes, good old supply and demand.
Is it beyond comprehension that people actually aspire to clean, efficient personal transportation and population mobility. It is what civilised societies do. Oh no, virtue signalling and cancelling dissent will work wonders as the country goes to fvck.
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Princes Street also dying. Cars not allowed down there. Town and city centres across the country are dying. Whether there are cars going through those streets or not makes very little difference. Out of town retail centres, high city centre rents, online shopping. These are the main factors. And cities being dirty and unattractive isn't anything to do with whether there are cars there or not. Cars make city centres much less attractive.
Civilised societies? Like Massive cities in America with hill billies and 70 stone gun fans? Or do you mean actual civilised cities like in Europe that are decades ahead of the UK in terms of transport/urban mobility and not stuck in the 1960s in America?
Anyone saying this expansion of ULEZ is a good thing is a moron who it almost certainly doesn’t affect. Central London, yes I get it.
However my folks live in a working class, council suburb in greater London (zone 5). They are not wealthy people, nor is anyone round their way. They have a car. They don’t use it to go into central London on the rare occasion they go, they use public transport for that. They do however need it to travel many other places away from greater London to visit family etc or around their own area where the public transport is no different to anywhere else in the country. Why should they have to pay £12.50 PER DAY just to carry on living their steady, run of the mill, inoffensive lives where they’ve always lived it? It’s nothing but a stealth tax on ordinary people, an absolute disgrace. Most people in these kind of areas can’t afford it but equally can’t afford to just replace their cars with more modern ones either, especially in the current economic climate.
Khan is a disgrace.
Must be quite a few used cars up for sale on the London area
Also the price point for ULEZ actually makes little difference in terms of modal share when you model it, due to the tiny percentage of people actually being affected. £5 or £50, no meaningful change in mode share. You might get a few old diesels off the road but quite a big and expensive scheme to just do that. Needed to be more ambitious to make a real change.
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posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by 4thGenerationSpur (U4814)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
I checked our cars and thought it odd that my wife's 2.0L 208 MX-5 is OK, but her 1.4L 1999 Clio isn't, despite emitting far less CO2 and getting loads more miles to the gallon.
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Why does your wife need two cars??
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It's not a case of need - the MX-5 is just for fun days out in the summer. Both cars combined do less than 1500 miles a year, so don't actually pollute all that much in reality.
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Ah right - guessing the MX5 is a soft top?
I had a Sunday afternoon car like that many years ago - TVR convertible!!
Whether you have 1 car or 10 cars, it's the number of drives that contributes to pollution, not the number of cars.
You can't drive two cars at once.
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comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyway, off to shiiite on people's pavements and let them deal with what I dumped out of my arrrse on their streets instead of it being a cost to me. If they fined me £6.50 each time I did it, it might put me off doing it to be fair. Or invest in a nappy. But I still fail to see how me taking a dump on other people's streets is an issue. Why should I be punished?
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Just go and live in London, Thames water will just dump your Shiite into the local waterways anyway
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 18 minutes ago
If anything, can we just enjoy the irony of tories arguing against a policy because it is perceived to negatively affect the poor?
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Who are the Tories you’re referring to here?
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 38 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 48 seconds ago
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posted 11 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Give me your reasons for driving into the centre of London and why you need to above other people?
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It’s not central London anymore you moron, could have taken you about 15 seconds to check that before making a fool of yourself.
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This
And even if it was only central London, this affects a lot of people. Small business owners in areas such as building will need to pay this every day, as well as compensate any of their staff who have to pay it.
The lack of public consultation on this has been a disgrace.
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My wife’s 80 something grandparents had to replace their car in order to be compliant and they live in Beckenham ffs.
The whole thing is just yet more poorly thought out legislation in the name of the environment which does nothing other than punish the poor.
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Indeed, they've been forced into taking the least green solution to their problem.
Baz would have them buy a bike so they can go walking hills every weekend coz everyone is like him, right?
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Let's flip it, everyone wants to drive everywhere all of the time. How would that work? How would we reduce that number because clearly it wouldn't work? Open to your solutions? When things reach tipping points in terms of congestion and air pollution we have to put in place policies to address that. It really isn't too radical.
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I'm only gonna talk about Glasgow. My diesel (complete with emission cheat software) isn't compliant. For the couple of times a year I need to I'd like to drive it into the city but don't even have an option of £12.50.
The legal contest is that the air quality targets have already been met by the council's own data. In some cases exceeded by 50%. The measures are not proportionate. The city is already dying from anti-business policies and lack of investment.
Cars will get replaced with cleaner ones as a matter of course as has happened since all time. Let it happen naturally without need to be virtue signallers ffs.
I have plenty ideas to solve the climate crisis. We can have that debate elsewhere.
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That may address the emissions issue, how about the one of congestion, if everyone wanted to drive everywhere for all of their journeys? They all have their shiny nice new electric cars, yet they are still stuck in traffic. Do we reduce the attractiveness of driving to certain problem locations, whilst providing more attractive alternatives? Or sit and be angry in traffic with no solution because you have always been able to drive everywhere so why should that be taken away from you? Everyone in the traffic jam sits with that same stance. Not moving.
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Congestion is no longer a significant issue in Glasgow since they built us a second motorway right into the centre. No reason to believe it will become an issue in future. Happy to help.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Best thing that has happened in London for years.
Khan
Clean air all day long over all the smelly pollution across the capital. Ironically I bet those that are opposed, were those that most wanted smoking banned in pubs.
I long ago gave up driving, but walking in built up areas, and having to breathe in all the toxic air from cars clogging up the roads, has been bad for my health and millions of Londoners for years. I don`t live in London now, and notice the quality of air where I live is much better, but I do like to visit a fair bit, and cleaner air down in London gets a big thumbs up from me.
I don`t want to hear from moaning mums, oh I need to drive my child to school. Walk to school like we used to back in the day. The exercise will do some of the lumps of lard some good as well.
Needs expanding across the whole of the country.
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Sandy, you seem to enjoy people’s misery don’t you mate? You are retired, so it doesn’t affect you one iota. You’re incredibly deluded if you think this is all about clean air ffs 🤦♂️ it’s another money making scheme ripping off the working class, which for some reason you seem to take satisfaction from. I’m fine, I have a newish car as does my wife, so this won’t affect my family but other people like Van drivers etc whose livelihoods are going to be affected by this ain’t in the same boat. Just goes to show what a WUM you are which I already knew to be fair. You hooked me in with your rod proper. Sadik Khan is a c**. The worse london mayor of all time.
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I value clean air Don. I am fed up with walking along pavements, waiting at traffic lights etc, and getting polluted with vehicle discharge on a daily basis.
What`s not to like about clean air. And yes it will hit a few people, but don`t give me all this bollox about poor people. Most of them don`t own cars.
White van man can go and do one, they made my life more expensive by voting for Brexit, so zero sympathy with them re the extra costs for their polluting vehicles. Why should normal taxpayers subsidise them. Let them pay for their own pollution.
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I find it really hard to put my finger on Sandy.
On the one hand he claims to be this Labour voting man of the people, caring for the less advantaged etc.
On the other there always seems to be this ‘I’m alright Jack so screw the rest mentality’ and I think he posts stuff just deliberately wind people up.
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I am a man of the people. I also don`t go for this right wing media nonsense that it is hitting the poor people. If anything it is helping poor people, they are more likely to have problems with poor air quality, because of the life`s that they lead. Most poor people do not own a car for starters, so will be inhaling all the fumes from the better off that do drive everywhere.
It is not a matter of I am all right Jack, that doesn`t come into. I want to live a bit longer and breathing good quality air will enable me to do that.
I was a child in the 1950s, and the London smogs killed thousands, including nearly my Mum, who contacted TB during that time because of the poor air quality, and spent 12 months in hospital. So clean air is very much something close to my heart.
This is one of the better ideas a London Mayor has come up with, and it is should be embraced by all.
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A lot of people this is affecting aren’t necessarily ‘poor’ people (though I am sure they are being affected). For example, I consider myself working class. I’ve been impacted by cost of living crisis.
Between myself and brothers we use a car to visit my mum. This is a diesel engine which the government encouraged people to buy. Public transport isn’t really an option because my mum is quite old and can’t walk for too long, and there aren’t many open spaces near the care home to take her.
Is it justifiable that I should pay £12.50 each time I visit my mum because of some ill thought out money making scheme?
posted on 29/8/23
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 18 minutes ago
If anything, can we just enjoy the irony of tories arguing against a policy because it is perceived to negatively affect the poor?
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Who are the Tories you’re referring to here?
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Not saying that those who are against it on here are tories. Referring to Tories in general
posted on 29/8/23
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Best thing that has happened in London for years.
Khan
Clean air all day long over all the smelly pollution across the capital. Ironically I bet those that are opposed, were those that most wanted smoking banned in pubs.
I long ago gave up driving, but walking in built up areas, and having to breathe in all the toxic air from cars clogging up the roads, has been bad for my health and millions of Londoners for years. I don`t live in London now, and notice the quality of air where I live is much better, but I do like to visit a fair bit, and cleaner air down in London gets a big thumbs up from me.
I don`t want to hear from moaning mums, oh I need to drive my child to school. Walk to school like we used to back in the day. The exercise will do some of the lumps of lard some good as well.
Needs expanding across the whole of the country.
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Sandy, you seem to enjoy people’s misery don’t you mate? You are retired, so it doesn’t affect you one iota. You’re incredibly deluded if you think this is all about clean air ffs 🤦♂️ it’s another money making scheme ripping off the working class, which for some reason you seem to take satisfaction from. I’m fine, I have a newish car as does my wife, so this won’t affect my family but other people like Van drivers etc whose livelihoods are going to be affected by this ain’t in the same boat. Just goes to show what a WUM you are which I already knew to be fair. You hooked me in with your rod proper. Sadik Khan is a c**. The worse london mayor of all time.
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I value clean air Don. I am fed up with walking along pavements, waiting at traffic lights etc, and getting polluted with vehicle discharge on a daily basis.
What`s not to like about clean air. And yes it will hit a few people, but don`t give me all this bollox about poor people. Most of them don`t own cars.
White van man can go and do one, they made my life more expensive by voting for Brexit, so zero sympathy with them re the extra costs for their polluting vehicles. Why should normal taxpayers subsidise them. Let them pay for their own pollution.
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I find it really hard to put my finger on Sandy.
On the one hand he claims to be this Labour voting man of the people, caring for the less advantaged etc.
On the other there always seems to be this ‘I’m alright Jack so screw the rest mentality’ and I think he posts stuff just deliberately wind people up.
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I am a man of the people. I also don`t go for this right wing media nonsense that it is hitting the poor people. If anything it is helping poor people, they are more likely to have problems with poor air quality, because of the life`s that they lead. Most poor people do not own a car for starters, so will be inhaling all the fumes from the better off that do drive everywhere.
It is not a matter of I am all right Jack, that doesn`t come into. I want to live a bit longer and breathing good quality air will enable me to do that.
I was a child in the 1950s, and the London smogs killed thousands, including nearly my Mum, who contacted TB during that time because of the poor air quality, and spent 12 months in hospital. So clean air is very much something close to my heart.
This is one of the better ideas a London Mayor has come up with, and it is should be embraced by all.
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A lot of people this is affecting aren’t necessarily ‘poor’ people (though I am sure they are being affected). For example, I consider myself working class. I’ve been impacted by cost of living crisis.
Between myself and brothers we use a car to visit my mum. This is a diesel engine which the government encouraged people to buy. Public transport isn’t really an option because my mum is quite old and can’t walk for too long, and there aren’t many open spaces near the care home to take her.
Is it justifiable that I should pay £12.50 each time I visit my mum because of some ill thought out money making scheme?
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And that’s exactly what it is Palmers, a huge money making scam.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Give me your reasons for driving into the centre of London and why you need to above other people?
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It’s not central London anymore you moron, could have taken you about 15 seconds to check that before making a fool of yourself.
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This
And even if it was only central London, this affects a lot of people. Small business owners in areas such as building will need to pay this every day, as well as compensate any of their staff who have to pay it.
The lack of public consultation on this has been a disgrace.
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My wife’s 80 something grandparents had to replace their car in order to be compliant and they live in Beckenham ffs.
The whole thing is just yet more poorly thought out legislation in the name of the environment which does nothing other than punish the poor.
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Indeed, they've been forced into taking the least green solution to their problem.
Baz would have them buy a bike so they can go walking hills every weekend coz everyone is like him, right?
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Let's flip it, everyone wants to drive everywhere all of the time. How would that work? How would we reduce that number because clearly it wouldn't work? Open to your solutions? When things reach tipping points in terms of congestion and air pollution we have to put in place policies to address that. It really isn't too radical.
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I'm only gonna talk about Glasgow. My diesel (complete with emission cheat software) isn't compliant. For the couple of times a year I need to I'd like to drive it into the city but don't even have an option of £12.50.
The legal contest is that the air quality targets have already been met by the council's own data. In some cases exceeded by 50%. The measures are not proportionate. The city is already dying from anti-business policies and lack of investment.
Cars will get replaced with cleaner ones as a matter of course as has happened since all time. Let it happen naturally without need to be virtue signallers ffs.
I have plenty ideas to solve the climate crisis. We can have that debate elsewhere.
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That may address the emissions issue, how about the one of congestion, if everyone wanted to drive everywhere for all of their journeys? They all have their shiny nice new electric cars, yet they are still stuck in traffic. Do we reduce the attractiveness of driving to certain problem locations, whilst providing more attractive alternatives? Or sit and be angry in traffic with no solution because you have always been able to drive everywhere so why should that be taken away from you? Everyone in the traffic jam sits with that same stance. Not moving.
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Congestion is no longer a significant issue in Glasgow since they built us a second motorway right into the centre. No reason to believe it will become an issue in future. Happy to help.
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Or the pedestrianisation of Glasgow city centre that got rid of the clogged up roads and did wonders for businesses, as well as shoppers. Unless you want the cars back and business to suffer? But maybe a guy with a garage in the centre would benefit?
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
Best thing that has happened in London for years.
Khan
Clean air all day long over all the smelly pollution across the capital. Ironically I bet those that are opposed, were those that most wanted smoking banned in pubs.
I long ago gave up driving, but walking in built up areas, and having to breathe in all the toxic air from cars clogging up the roads, has been bad for my health and millions of Londoners for years. I don`t live in London now, and notice the quality of air where I live is much better, but I do like to visit a fair bit, and cleaner air down in London gets a big thumbs up from me.
I don`t want to hear from moaning mums, oh I need to drive my child to school. Walk to school like we used to back in the day. The exercise will do some of the lumps of lard some good as well.
Needs expanding across the whole of the country.
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Sandy, you seem to enjoy people’s misery don’t you mate? You are retired, so it doesn’t affect you one iota. You’re incredibly deluded if you think this is all about clean air ffs 🤦♂️ it’s another money making scheme ripping off the working class, which for some reason you seem to take satisfaction from. I’m fine, I have a newish car as does my wife, so this won’t affect my family but other people like Van drivers etc whose livelihoods are going to be affected by this ain’t in the same boat. Just goes to show what a WUM you are which I already knew to be fair. You hooked me in with your rod proper. Sadik Khan is a c**. The worse london mayor of all time.
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I value clean air Don. I am fed up with walking along pavements, waiting at traffic lights etc, and getting polluted with vehicle discharge on a daily basis.
What`s not to like about clean air. And yes it will hit a few people, but don`t give me all this bollox about poor people. Most of them don`t own cars.
White van man can go and do one, they made my life more expensive by voting for Brexit, so zero sympathy with them re the extra costs for their polluting vehicles. Why should normal taxpayers subsidise them. Let them pay for their own pollution.
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I find it really hard to put my finger on Sandy.
On the one hand he claims to be this Labour voting man of the people, caring for the less advantaged etc.
On the other there always seems to be this ‘I’m alright Jack so screw the rest mentality’ and I think he posts stuff just deliberately wind people up.
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I am a man of the people. I also don`t go for this right wing media nonsense that it is hitting the poor people. If anything it is helping poor people, they are more likely to have problems with poor air quality, because of the life`s that they lead. Most poor people do not own a car for starters, so will be inhaling all the fumes from the better off that do drive everywhere.
It is not a matter of I am all right Jack, that doesn`t come into. I want to live a bit longer and breathing good quality air will enable me to do that.
I was a child in the 1950s, and the London smogs killed thousands, including nearly my Mum, who contacted TB during that time because of the poor air quality, and spent 12 months in hospital. So clean air is very much something close to my heart.
This is one of the better ideas a London Mayor has come up with, and it is should be embraced by all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A lot of people this is affecting aren’t necessarily ‘poor’ people (though I am sure they are being affected). For example, I consider myself working class. I’ve been impacted by cost of living crisis.
Between myself and brothers we use a car to visit my mum. This is a diesel engine which the government encouraged people to buy. Public transport isn’t really an option because my mum is quite old and can’t walk for too long, and there aren’t many open spaces near the care home to take her.
Is it justifiable that I should pay £12.50 each time I visit my mum because of some ill thought out money making scheme?
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And that’s exactly what it is Palmers, a huge money making scam.
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Of course it is Don. If Khan wants to clean up the air then just introduce a diesel ban. All he’s doing is charging people £12.50 for them using cars they would have used anyway.
posted on 29/8/23
Who is all for improvements to transport for poor people who cannot afford cars? Public transport and safer walking and cycling infrastructure? Same people using the poor on here let's hear you? They are currently being unfairly punished through lack of investment in that kind of infrastructure after decades of favouring the richer who can afford cars.
MON THE SLIGHTLY MORE POOR!
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Vorsprung durch Poch (U1641)
posted 4 hours, 9 minutes ago
Tbf it’s just against petrol cars / vans built before 2005 / 2006 and diesel cars/vans built before 2015/2016
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There were however figures on BBC this morning giving a 46% reduction in poor air in central london since it was introduced...unsure how true this is
It was also reported that only 3% of cars in the area are non compliant currently
This will go to (I think) 10% in greater London
But £12:50 is scurrilous...£5 would be bad enough
posted on 29/8/23
To be fair Khan spoke a lot of sense this morning...& i'm no labour supporter...
Very glad I don't live in london these days mind
posted on 29/8/23
Ironically a £5 charge would have made them more money..
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 14 seconds ago
Ironically a £5 charge would have made them more money..
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what...with more flouting the rules you mean
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 4 hours, 38 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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You realise a lot of Burroughs surrounding central London have people who commute to work, go shopping etc just the same as a lot of people on the country?
posted on 29/8/23
They created a bus lane in the centre of our town last year...it's always been a through route
it has one single sign pointing you away from the road that used to allow you to go that way...(got caught earlier this year) £30
That's a fackin money making scheme
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 14 seconds ago
Ironically a £5 charge would have made them more money..
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what...with more flouting the rules you mean
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Think about it. Sell pints at a football match for £5 or for £12.50? Which would make you more money? Their price point is set with deterrent in mind, not profit and people's reactions on here back that up, whether they are aware of that or not
posted on 29/8/23
Unless you were one of many that bought diesel cars when the government told us to.
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Didn't they advise this 15+ years ago?
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 24 minutes ago
Or the pedestrianisation of Glasgow city centre that got rid of the clogged up roads and did wonders for businesses, as well as shoppers. Unless you want the cars back and business to suffer? But maybe a guy with a garage in the centre would benefit?
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Indeed, have you seen the city? Of course you have - boarded up businesses, dilapidated buildings, manky streets, rubbish overflowing, tramps and illegal fast book bikers mowing you down on said pedestrianised areas?
How much pedestrianised area would you like? The whole thing just for you so you can strut about giving not one fvck for where the money is coming from. The marxist ideal.
In case you hadn't noticed the town if dying, chased by govs of various colours who do not have a clue how to invest to sustain or grow, only how to tax and cut and destroy. Didn't you hear about the late buses being canned because nobody goes into the town any more? Yes, good old supply and demand.
Is it beyond comprehension that people actually aspire to clean, efficient personal transportation and population mobility. It is what civilised societies do. Oh no, virtue signalling and cancelling dissent will work wonders as the country goes to fvck.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 minutes ago
Unless you were one of many that bought diesel cars when the government told us to.
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Didn't they advise this 15+ years ago?
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Hadn't you noticed cars tend to run easily this long these days?
And remember when diesel was cheaper too then when the gov urged people to switch they realised they were losing out on fuel duty so they started taxing it more to make up. Same will happen with electric. They are already setting that scene the heavier electric cars cause more road damage! Facking scheite laid roads that break up every winter whilst somehow colder Germany seems to manage.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 24 minutes ago
Or the pedestrianisation of Glasgow city centre that got rid of the clogged up roads and did wonders for businesses, as well as shoppers. Unless you want the cars back and business to suffer? But maybe a guy with a garage in the centre would benefit?
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Indeed, have you seen the city? Of course you have - boarded up businesses, dilapidated buildings, manky streets, rubbish overflowing, tramps and illegal fast book bikers mowing you down on said pedestrianised areas?
How much pedestrianised area would you like? The whole thing just for you so you can strut about giving not one fvck for where the money is coming from. The marxist ideal.
In case you hadn't noticed the town if dying, chased by govs of various colours who do not have a clue how to invest to sustain or grow, only how to tax and cut and destroy. Didn't you hear about the late buses being canned because nobody goes into the town any more? Yes, good old supply and demand.
Is it beyond comprehension that people actually aspire to clean, efficient personal transportation and population mobility. It is what civilised societies do. Oh no, virtue signalling and cancelling dissent will work wonders as the country goes to fvck.
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Princes Street also dying. Cars not allowed down there. Town and city centres across the country are dying. Whether there are cars going through those streets or not makes very little difference. Out of town retail centres, high city centre rents, online shopping. These are the main factors. And cities being dirty and unattractive isn't anything to do with whether there are cars there or not. Cars make city centres much less attractive.
Civilised societies? Like Massive cities in America with hill billies and 70 stone gun fans? Or do you mean actual civilised cities like in Europe that are decades ahead of the UK in terms of transport/urban mobility and not stuck in the 1960s in America?
posted on 29/8/23
Anyone saying this expansion of ULEZ is a good thing is a moron who it almost certainly doesn’t affect. Central London, yes I get it.
However my folks live in a working class, council suburb in greater London (zone 5). They are not wealthy people, nor is anyone round their way. They have a car. They don’t use it to go into central London on the rare occasion they go, they use public transport for that. They do however need it to travel many other places away from greater London to visit family etc or around their own area where the public transport is no different to anywhere else in the country. Why should they have to pay £12.50 PER DAY just to carry on living their steady, run of the mill, inoffensive lives where they’ve always lived it? It’s nothing but a stealth tax on ordinary people, an absolute disgrace. Most people in these kind of areas can’t afford it but equally can’t afford to just replace their cars with more modern ones either, especially in the current economic climate.
Khan is a disgrace.
posted on 29/8/23
Must be quite a few used cars up for sale on the London area
posted on 29/8/23
Also the price point for ULEZ actually makes little difference in terms of modal share when you model it, due to the tiny percentage of people actually being affected. £5 or £50, no meaningful change in mode share. You might get a few old diesels off the road but quite a big and expensive scheme to just do that. Needed to be more ambitious to make a real change.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by 4thGenerationSpur (U4814)
posted 2 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by 4thGenerationSpur (U4814)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
I checked our cars and thought it odd that my wife's 2.0L 208 MX-5 is OK, but her 1.4L 1999 Clio isn't, despite emitting far less CO2 and getting loads more miles to the gallon.
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Why does your wife need two cars??
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It's not a case of need - the MX-5 is just for fun days out in the summer. Both cars combined do less than 1500 miles a year, so don't actually pollute all that much in reality.
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Ah right - guessing the MX5 is a soft top?
I had a Sunday afternoon car like that many years ago - TVR convertible!!
posted on 29/8/23
Whether you have 1 car or 10 cars, it's the number of drives that contributes to pollution, not the number of cars.
You can't drive two cars at once.
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