comment by ChArliE Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 39 minutes ago
Anyone saying this expansion of ULEZ is a good thing is a moron who it almost certainly doesn’t affect. Central London, yes I get it.
However my folks live in a working class, council suburb in greater London (zone 5). They are not wealthy people, nor is anyone round their way. They have a car. They don’t use it to go into central London on the rare occasion they go, they use public transport for that. They do however need it to travel many other places away from greater London to visit family etc or around their own area where the public transport is no different to anywhere else in the country. Why should they have to pay £12.50 PER DAY just to carry on living their steady, run of the mill, inoffensive lives where they’ve always lived it? It’s nothing but a stealth tax on ordinary people, an absolute disgrace. Most people in these kind of areas can’t afford it but equally can’t afford to just replace their cars with more modern ones either, especially in the current economic climate.
Khan is a disgrace.
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As I said earlier I long ago got rid of the car. Doesn't stop me travelling all over the country. I use that thing called public transport. Yes it is not always reliable, but I get by.no problem.
To say people cannot get around if they don't have a car is a total nonsense. Most can. Just takes a bit of effort.
Someone once asked me how I get shopping. I laughed, and said I put it in a bag and carry it like our Parents and Grandparents used to do.
I suspect I go to more places without the use if s car, than most do with a car.
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
Whether you have 1 car or 10 cars, it's the number of drives that contributes to pollution, not the number of cars.
You can't drive two cars at once.
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Number and type of trip. If you are going on loads of needless short drives to the shop when you could walk or such, and there are loads of others doing this, then there will be congestion and pollution. These are the key journeys that need targeting as they actually account for a very high number of car journeys in towns and cities.
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
Whether you have 1 car or 10 cars, it's the number of drives that contributes to pollution, not the number of cars.
You can't drive two cars at once.
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Number and type of trip. If you are going on loads of needless short drives to the shop when you could walk or such, and there are loads of others doing this, then there will be congestion and pollution. These are the key journeys that need targeting as they actually account for a very high number of car journeys in towns and cities.
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FWIW I agree with this. But time constraints, location and fitness all impact whether a car is needed or not
I couldn't get by without a car.
Levy is charging you so much for your ticket you can't afford to stay in London or have a car.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
Whether you have 1 car or 10 cars, it's the number of drives that contributes to pollution, not the number of cars.
You can't drive two cars at once.
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Number and type of trip. If you are going on loads of needless short drives to the shop when you could walk or such, and there are loads of others doing this, then there will be congestion and pollution. These are the key journeys that need targeting as they actually account for a very high number of car journeys in towns and cities.
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That is fck all to do with the ULEZ though which is a money making scheme.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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Total and utter bollox. Only thinking about your own situation and circumstances.
Do people really need to comment on threads on here anymore.
Just see what Sandy and sizzle say. And the opposite will be correct.
No real need for further discussion.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
Do people really need to comment on threads on here anymore.
Just see what Sandy and sizzle say. And the opposite will be correct.
No real need for further discussion.
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Wise words.
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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Maybe part of the money raised in these fees should be used to set up community owned car clubs or coops
comment by Nichoglou (U14419)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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Maybe part of the money raised in these fees should be used to set up community owned car clubs or coops
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Maybe they could use it to stop gangs of masked undesirables rushing JD Sports with machetes and taking whatever the fack they feel like, and terrorizing innocent people on the streets outside. But na, stick it to the regular folk instead, make their lives even harder. This country is a disgrace.
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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54%, you mean 1,800,000 households...
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Give me your reasons for driving into the centre of London and why you need to above other people?
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It’s not central London anymore you moron, could have taken you about 15 seconds to check that before making a fool of yourself.
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This
And even if it was only central London, this affects a lot of people. Small business owners in areas such as building will need to pay this every day, as well as compensate any of their staff who have to pay it.
The lack of public consultation on this has been a disgrace.
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Ah, business is not the concern of the swampy cvnt marxists despite the fact that private business is what pays for all of this, all of them.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66645379
Self-employed drivers will be able to claim tax relief on the daily Ultra Low Emission Zone (Ulez) charge.
Workers with non-compliant vehicles can claim if their journey was "exclusively for the purposes of the trade".
Ulez was expanded to include all of London's boroughs on Tuesday.
"This is a shot in the arm for sole traders, whose businesses will be hit by the Ulez charge from today," said Craig Beaumont of the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB).
In general though, if you don't like this kind of thing, you will be quite unhappy about the future of transport in cities and in general. Cars are very much at the bottom of the pecking order in all transport policy and planning for the foreseeable.
There is no conspiracy theory regarding a war against the motorist, car hating councils etc. It's actual policy.
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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54%, you mean 1,800,000 households...
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What exactly is your point?
comment by ChArliE Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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Total and utter bollox. Only thinking about your own situation and circumstances.
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Nah they are right, nobody needs to drive in London.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ChArliE Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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Total and utter bollox. Only thinking about your own situation and circumstances.
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Nah they are right, nobody needs to drive in London.
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Stop being a contrarian for the sake of it. Lots of people need to drive in London, you cannot speak for millions and millions of people in each with different personal circumstances. As someone said above, rule of thumb for this forum is to read yours and Sizzles opinion and acknowledge that the opposite is the true reality, whether that is football or any other matter.
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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54%, you mean 1,800,000 households...
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What exactly is your point?
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So you think 1.8m people have cars just for convenience, in a cost of living crisis, in the most expensive area of the country?
You don't think that, perhaps you have no idea what you're talking about and maybe driving to visit relatives, areas outside of London or areas within London with poor transport links might be a possibility for millions of people?
Punishing residents is the stupidest thing about this and I speak as somebody that left London a few years ago.
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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54%, you mean 1,800,000 households...
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What exactly is your point?
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On top of all that, many will have cars that comply anyway. So it really will be a minority of people who are truly affected by this...but others are also right, the poor are affected most BUT this is not a reason to not push through these very worthwhile programmes....but maybe there should be some incentive to those on low incomes, funded by the ULEV, to help people to be compliant.
Problem is that the car is seen as evil, and you will therefore struggle to find too many policies that promote/fund car purchases, unless they are new or low emission ones.
A more balanced approach would have been best, perhaps with a transition period of 2 years for people to take the necessary action while incentives are offered to low incomes. Although the ULEV has been around for 15 years, this latest expansion has taken a lot by surprise, even though its been in the pipeline for ages.
So what you moaning about if it doesn't effect you?
Khan told us in his manifesto in 2021 that he was doing this, then he got elected and said he was doing it, then there was the date he set for doing it and people are still saying they were unprepared for it, that's the stupid part of this.
If you want to drive in London, get a compliant vehicle otherwise, use public transport.
The rancid Tories are good at finding populist drums to beat...
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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54%, you mean 1,800,000 households...
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What exactly is your point?
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So you think 1.8m people have cars just for convenience, in a cost of living crisis, in the most expensive area of the country?
You don't think that, perhaps you have no idea what you're talking about and maybe driving to visit relatives, areas outside of London or areas within London with poor transport links might be a possibility for millions of people?
Punishing residents is the stupidest thing about this and I speak as somebody that left London a few years ago.
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No. I said that you might find that for a large percentage of that population, alternative transport may be feasible, just not as convenient. It is shiittting London for god's sake. Some of the best public transport in the world. But at the moment the car is more convenient.
You are actually suggesting that the 54% of households that own cars, there is absolutely no alternative transport available to them to make the vast majority of their journeys?
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
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Ah right - guessing the MX5 is a soft top?
I had a Sunday afternoon car like that many years ago - TVR convertible!!
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Nice. Yes soft top - good for the beach (which we couldn't get to by public transport in any sensible way). It will probably be sold soon anyway - getting to old and creaky to get in and out of it!
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posted on 29/8/23
comment by ChArliE Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 39 minutes ago
Anyone saying this expansion of ULEZ is a good thing is a moron who it almost certainly doesn’t affect. Central London, yes I get it.
However my folks live in a working class, council suburb in greater London (zone 5). They are not wealthy people, nor is anyone round their way. They have a car. They don’t use it to go into central London on the rare occasion they go, they use public transport for that. They do however need it to travel many other places away from greater London to visit family etc or around their own area where the public transport is no different to anywhere else in the country. Why should they have to pay £12.50 PER DAY just to carry on living their steady, run of the mill, inoffensive lives where they’ve always lived it? It’s nothing but a stealth tax on ordinary people, an absolute disgrace. Most people in these kind of areas can’t afford it but equally can’t afford to just replace their cars with more modern ones either, especially in the current economic climate.
Khan is a disgrace.
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As I said earlier I long ago got rid of the car. Doesn't stop me travelling all over the country. I use that thing called public transport. Yes it is not always reliable, but I get by.no problem.
To say people cannot get around if they don't have a car is a total nonsense. Most can. Just takes a bit of effort.
Someone once asked me how I get shopping. I laughed, and said I put it in a bag and carry it like our Parents and Grandparents used to do.
I suspect I go to more places without the use if s car, than most do with a car.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
Whether you have 1 car or 10 cars, it's the number of drives that contributes to pollution, not the number of cars.
You can't drive two cars at once.
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Number and type of trip. If you are going on loads of needless short drives to the shop when you could walk or such, and there are loads of others doing this, then there will be congestion and pollution. These are the key journeys that need targeting as they actually account for a very high number of car journeys in towns and cities.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
Whether you have 1 car or 10 cars, it's the number of drives that contributes to pollution, not the number of cars.
You can't drive two cars at once.
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Number and type of trip. If you are going on loads of needless short drives to the shop when you could walk or such, and there are loads of others doing this, then there will be congestion and pollution. These are the key journeys that need targeting as they actually account for a very high number of car journeys in towns and cities.
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FWIW I agree with this. But time constraints, location and fitness all impact whether a car is needed or not
I couldn't get by without a car.
posted on 29/8/23
Levy is charging you so much for your ticket you can't afford to stay in London or have a car.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
Whether you have 1 car or 10 cars, it's the number of drives that contributes to pollution, not the number of cars.
You can't drive two cars at once.
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Number and type of trip. If you are going on loads of needless short drives to the shop when you could walk or such, and there are loads of others doing this, then there will be congestion and pollution. These are the key journeys that need targeting as they actually account for a very high number of car journeys in towns and cities.
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That is fck all to do with the ULEZ though which is a money making scheme.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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Total and utter bollox. Only thinking about your own situation and circumstances.
posted on 29/8/23
Do people really need to comment on threads on here anymore.
Just see what Sandy and sizzle say. And the opposite will be correct.
No real need for further discussion.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
Do people really need to comment on threads on here anymore.
Just see what Sandy and sizzle say. And the opposite will be correct.
No real need for further discussion.
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Wise words.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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Maybe part of the money raised in these fees should be used to set up community owned car clubs or coops
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Nichoglou (U14419)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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Maybe part of the money raised in these fees should be used to set up community owned car clubs or coops
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Maybe they could use it to stop gangs of masked undesirables rushing JD Sports with machetes and taking whatever the fack they feel like, and terrorizing innocent people on the streets outside. But na, stick it to the regular folk instead, make their lives even harder. This country is a disgrace.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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54%, you mean 1,800,000 households...
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Give me your reasons for driving into the centre of London and why you need to above other people?
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It’s not central London anymore you moron, could have taken you about 15 seconds to check that before making a fool of yourself.
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This
And even if it was only central London, this affects a lot of people. Small business owners in areas such as building will need to pay this every day, as well as compensate any of their staff who have to pay it.
The lack of public consultation on this has been a disgrace.
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Ah, business is not the concern of the swampy cvnt marxists despite the fact that private business is what pays for all of this, all of them.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66645379
Self-employed drivers will be able to claim tax relief on the daily Ultra Low Emission Zone (Ulez) charge.
Workers with non-compliant vehicles can claim if their journey was "exclusively for the purposes of the trade".
Ulez was expanded to include all of London's boroughs on Tuesday.
"This is a shot in the arm for sole traders, whose businesses will be hit by the Ulez charge from today," said Craig Beaumont of the Federation of Small Businesses (FSB).
posted on 29/8/23
In general though, if you don't like this kind of thing, you will be quite unhappy about the future of transport in cities and in general. Cars are very much at the bottom of the pecking order in all transport policy and planning for the foreseeable.
There is no conspiracy theory regarding a war against the motorist, car hating councils etc. It's actual policy.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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54%, you mean 1,800,000 households...
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What exactly is your point?
posted on 29/8/23
comment by ChArliE Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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Total and utter bollox. Only thinking about your own situation and circumstances.
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Nah they are right, nobody needs to drive in London.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ChArliE Big Bananas (U14461)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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Total and utter bollox. Only thinking about your own situation and circumstances.
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Nah they are right, nobody needs to drive in London.
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Stop being a contrarian for the sake of it. Lots of people need to drive in London, you cannot speak for millions and millions of people in each with different personal circumstances. As someone said above, rule of thumb for this forum is to read yours and Sizzles opinion and acknowledge that the opposite is the true reality, whether that is football or any other matter.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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54%, you mean 1,800,000 households...
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What exactly is your point?
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So you think 1.8m people have cars just for convenience, in a cost of living crisis, in the most expensive area of the country?
You don't think that, perhaps you have no idea what you're talking about and maybe driving to visit relatives, areas outside of London or areas within London with poor transport links might be a possibility for millions of people?
Punishing residents is the stupidest thing about this and I speak as somebody that left London a few years ago.
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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54%, you mean 1,800,000 households...
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What exactly is your point?
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On top of all that, many will have cars that comply anyway. So it really will be a minority of people who are truly affected by this...but others are also right, the poor are affected most BUT this is not a reason to not push through these very worthwhile programmes....but maybe there should be some incentive to those on low incomes, funded by the ULEV, to help people to be compliant.
Problem is that the car is seen as evil, and you will therefore struggle to find too many policies that promote/fund car purchases, unless they are new or low emission ones.
A more balanced approach would have been best, perhaps with a transition period of 2 years for people to take the necessary action while incentives are offered to low incomes. Although the ULEV has been around for 15 years, this latest expansion has taken a lot by surprise, even though its been in the pipeline for ages.
posted on 29/8/23
So what you moaning about if it doesn't effect you?
Khan told us in his manifesto in 2021 that he was doing this, then he got elected and said he was doing it, then there was the date he set for doing it and people are still saying they were unprepared for it, that's the stupid part of this.
If you want to drive in London, get a compliant vehicle otherwise, use public transport.
posted on 29/8/23
The rancid Tories are good at finding populist drums to beat...
posted on 29/8/23
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scott Tiffoney (U1734)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Never Mind the Defending: Here’s Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool (U3979)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Robb Matilda (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
Apart from some small exclusions, does anyone need to drive in London?
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They don’t.
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What are you on about? Everytime you leave the house it’ll cost £12.50
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Such a dumb argument, of course people need cars in London.
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Quite the generalisation there. 46% of households in London do not have a car. So almost half demonstrably DON'T need a car. Then amongst the 54% that do own a car, I wonder how many NEED that car or it is simply convenient? You may find that it is actually quite a small percentage of the London population who NEED a car.
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54%, you mean 1,800,000 households...
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What exactly is your point?
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So you think 1.8m people have cars just for convenience, in a cost of living crisis, in the most expensive area of the country?
You don't think that, perhaps you have no idea what you're talking about and maybe driving to visit relatives, areas outside of London or areas within London with poor transport links might be a possibility for millions of people?
Punishing residents is the stupidest thing about this and I speak as somebody that left London a few years ago.
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No. I said that you might find that for a large percentage of that population, alternative transport may be feasible, just not as convenient. It is shiittting London for god's sake. Some of the best public transport in the world. But at the moment the car is more convenient.
You are actually suggesting that the 54% of households that own cars, there is absolutely no alternative transport available to them to make the vast majority of their journeys?
posted on 29/8/23
comment by The Mighty Tottenham Hotspur. (U7858)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
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Ah right - guessing the MX5 is a soft top?
I had a Sunday afternoon car like that many years ago - TVR convertible!!
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Nice. Yes soft top - good for the beach (which we couldn't get to by public transport in any sensible way). It will probably be sold soon anyway - getting to old and creaky to get in and out of it!
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