It’s not a defence for keeping a manager, I don’t really care if he’s sacked. I’m making light of the mess this club is because you know we’ll be here again in the not too distant future.
Things at the club really aren’t as bad as are being made out.
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You say this exact thing every season.
If he keeps picking Antony I won't care if he gets sacked though. Genuinely up there with the worst wingers I have ever seen in the red shirt. Hasn't helped himself with this one at all.
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With him it's like having a winger on Football Manager and instructing him to make no forward runs, don't cross the ball, make no through balls and play every pass to the nearest player, preferably backwards.
Darren should hang his head in shame for ever scouting Antony. Go to bed with no dinner.
The narrative has changed a bit over the years on here though. Before the criticism was that we never let the manager have the players he wanted. And now the criticism is that the manager shouldn’t be allowed to pick the ones he wanted.
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 4 minutes ago
If he keeps picking Antony I won't care if he gets sacked though. Genuinely up there with the worst wingers I have ever seen in the red shirt. Hasn't helped himself with this one at all.
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With him it's like having a winger on Football Manager and instructing him to make no forward runs, don't cross the ball, make no through balls and play every pass to the nearest player, preferably backwards.
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comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Darren should hang his head in shame for ever scouting Antony. Go to bed with no dinner.
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He would probably be a world beater had he joined a different club. Youtube tekkers.
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
The narrative has changed a bit over the years on here though. Before the criticism was that we never let the manager have the players he wanted. And now the criticism is that the manager shouldn’t be allowed to pick the ones he wanted.
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Exactly. Inevitably the club will later be hammered for failing to back the manager thr next time its reported he didn't get who he wanted.
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Even TH thinks the club is in a mess. That 411m has been spent and we cant hand the players back now. I told you so, say doesnt really help United with the mess the club is in right now.
A mess you seem to be oblivious about in Oz. Its pretty clear and present.
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Things at the club really aren’t as bad as are being made out. Yes the glazers absolutely suck but if another manager had come in and spent £400 million on good players rather than the ones Ten Hag picked we’d surely be doing a lot better and the heat would be off the manager.
This whole narrative of ‘nothing is ever gonna change’ is tiresome because even under a limited manager like Ole we did have periods of calm and positivity. Imagine we had the holy grail of a good manager who buys good players? They do exist.
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Absolutely no guarantee those players would have worked out. Also, Eth does not negotiate transfers, 400m spent courtesy of Murtough and co.
Apart from Antony I would say the rest have been "excellent" to "need time to settle". Red Russian has listed all of Eth's signings in a separate thread so I won't repeat it here.
It's a squad game so I would say 9 players recruited with desire for transformative change within the team is insufficient, we still need a CB, 2 FBs, 2 CMs, 2 wide players and another CF. You can't address all in 18 months.
Eth has not covered himself in glory but I suspect he's realised the task ahead to deliver what he wants to deliver is mammoth, he may have overestimated the work required. But like a few here have mentioned rather than accepting the challenge from Eth and work harder the players are, allegedly, leaking stories from the dressing in an attempt to get Eth (and yet another manager) sacked to start again. The neverending cycle continues.
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 15 seconds ago
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Even TH thinks the club is in a mess. That 411m has been spent and we cant hand the players back now. I told you so, say doesnt really help United with the mess the club is in right now.
A mess you seem to be oblivious about in Oz. Its pretty clear and present.
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The mess has in large part been created by him. But messes can be fixed to an extent. Not all of his signings are beyond saving and as we’ve seen with Ange who inherited a mix of Poch, Jose, Nuno and Conte signings that many thought were useless players and Spurs was a ‘mess’, the right manager can come in and make things look rosier.
You’re the one who thinks we’re on some unstoppable path to relegation if we remove an underperforming manager when they deserve to be removed . But hey, apparently being in another country means something 😏
You’re now filtered btw
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 15 minutes ago
The narrative has changed a bit over the years on here though. Before the criticism was that we never let the manager have the players he wanted. And now the criticism is that the manager shouldn’t be allowed to pick the ones he wanted.
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This nonsense would never be part of the discourse if we had a competent Dof running the footballing operation. The DoF would then be pulling the transfer strings not the coach.
You’re now filtered btw
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great argument that Robb
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Things at the club really aren’t as bad as are being made out. Yes the glazers absolutely suck but if another manager had come in and spent £400 million on good players rather than the ones Ten Hag picked we’d surely be doing a lot better and the heat would be off the manager.
This whole narrative of ‘nothing is ever gonna change’ is tiresome because even under a limited manager like Ole we did have periods of calm and positivity. Imagine we had the holy grail of a good manager who buys good players? They do exist.
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Absolutely no guarantee those players would have worked out. Also, Eth does not negotiate transfers, 400m spent courtesy of Murtough and co.
Apart from Antony I would say the rest have been "excellent" to "need time to settle". Red Russian has listed all of Eth's signings in a separate thread so I won't repeat it here.
It's a squad game so I would say 9 players recruited with desire for transformative change within the team is insufficient, we still need a CB, 2 FBs, 2 CMs, 2 wide players and another CF. You can't address all in 18 months.
Eth has not covered himself in glory but I suspect he's realised the task ahead to deliver what he wants to deliver is mammoth, he may have overestimated the work required. But like a few here have mentioned rather than accepting the challenge from Eth and work harder the players are, allegedly, leaking stories from the dressing in an attempt to get Eth (and yet another manager) sacked to start again. The neverending cycle continues.
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Or it could just be as simple as what he isn’t that great a manager and is incapable of doing the most basic thing any manager can do which is getting his tactics across to the players. We can create a narrative where our players are the bad guys and are evil and just want to be lazy etc. and of course that may well be true. Or maybe they’re just hungry to succeed but just don’t relate to whatever demands the manager wants and just want someone to come in who can bring what the squad needs.
Ten Hag came in as a disciplinarian and perhaps that isn’t the approach these guys need which is why I’m a bit less ‘Conte in’ as I was before. Perhaps they need an Ange style arm around the shoulders type guy who can motivate them whilst not getting on the wrong side of the players
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 15 minutes ago
The narrative has changed a bit over the years on here though. Before the criticism was that we never let the manager have the players he wanted. And now the criticism is that the manager shouldn’t be allowed to pick the ones he wanted.
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This nonsense would never be part of the discourse if we had a competent Dof running the footballing operation. The DoF would then be pulling the transfer strings not the coach.
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What EXACTLY has Murtough done wrong to be called incompetent?
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Things at the club really aren’t as bad as are being made out. Yes the glazers absolutely suck but if another manager had come in and spent £400 million on good players rather than the ones Ten Hag picked we’d surely be doing a lot better and the heat would be off the manager.
This whole narrative of ‘nothing is ever gonna change’ is tiresome because even under a limited manager like Ole we did have periods of calm and positivity. Imagine we had the holy grail of a good manager who buys good players? They do exist.
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Absolutely no guarantee those players would have worked out. Also, Eth does not negotiate transfers, 400m spent courtesy of Murtough and co.
Apart from Antony I would say the rest have been "excellent" to "need time to settle". Red Russian has listed all of Eth's signings in a separate thread so I won't repeat it here.
It's a squad game so I would say 9 players recruited with desire for transformative change within the team is insufficient, we still need a CB, 2 FBs, 2 CMs, 2 wide players and another CF. You can't address all in 18 months.
Eth has not covered himself in glory but I suspect he's realised the task ahead to deliver what he wants to deliver is mammoth, he may have overestimated the work required. But like a few here have mentioned rather than accepting the challenge from Eth and work harder the players are, allegedly, leaking stories from the dressing in an attempt to get Eth (and yet another manager) sacked to start again. The neverending cycle continues.
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Or it could just be as simple as what he isn’t that great a manager and is incapable of doing the most basic thing any manager can do which is getting his tactics across to the players. We can create a narrative where our players are the bad guys and are evil and just want to be lazy etc. and of course that may well be true. Or maybe they’re just hungry to succeed but just don’t relate to whatever demands the manager wants and just want someone to come in who can bring what the squad needs.
Ten Hag came in as a disciplinarian and perhaps that isn’t the approach these guys need which is why I’m a bit less ‘Conte in’ as I was before. Perhaps they need an Ange style arm around the shoulders type guy who can motivate them whilst not getting on the wrong side of the players
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He did the good thinks at Ajax
I just looked at that article and it already said that the club have denied looking for alternatives. Hasn’t stopped them retweeting the story with the original headline in the last couple of hours though.
What a complete Nobb, Robb is.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
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What do you have in mind?
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
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What do you have in mind?
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He will need to learn coping mechanisms for working in a toxic environment. Plus he will need to learn to become a manager and DoF rolled into one.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Things at the club really aren’t as bad as are being made out. Yes the glazers absolutely suck but if another manager had come in and spent £400 million on good players rather than the ones Ten Hag picked we’d surely be doing a lot better and the heat would be off the manager.
This whole narrative of ‘nothing is ever gonna change’ is tiresome because even under a limited manager like Ole we did have periods of calm and positivity. Imagine we had the holy grail of a good manager who buys good players? They do exist.
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Absolutely no guarantee those players would have worked out. Also, Eth does not negotiate transfers, 400m spent courtesy of Murtough and co.
Apart from Antony I would say the rest have been "excellent" to "need time to settle". Red Russian has listed all of Eth's signings in a separate thread so I won't repeat it here.
It's a squad game so I would say 9 players recruited with desire for transformative change within the team is insufficient, we still need a CB, 2 FBs, 2 CMs, 2 wide players and another CF. You can't address all in 18 months.
Eth has not covered himself in glory but I suspect he's realised the task ahead to deliver what he wants to deliver is mammoth, he may have overestimated the work required. But like a few here have mentioned rather than accepting the challenge from Eth and work harder the players are, allegedly, leaking stories from the dressing in an attempt to get Eth (and yet another manager) sacked to start again. The neverending cycle continues.
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Or it could just be as simple as what he isn’t that great a manager and is incapable of doing the most basic thing any manager can do which is getting his tactics across to the players. We can create a narrative where our players are the bad guys and are evil and just want to be lazy etc. and of course that may well be true. Or maybe they’re just hungry to succeed but just don’t relate to whatever demands the manager wants and just want someone to come in who can bring what the squad needs.
Ten Hag came in as a disciplinarian and perhaps that isn’t the approach these guys need which is why I’m a bit less ‘Conte in’ as I was before. Perhaps they need an Ange style arm around the shoulders type guy who can motivate them whilst not getting on the wrong side of the players
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He did the good thinks at Ajax
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I think Robb means that TH has never been quite Potch.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
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What do you have in mind?
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He will need to learn coping mechanisms for working in a toxic environment. Plus he will need to learn to become a manager and DoF rolled into one.
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Every club has different culture, you can't replicate this. As for coping with toxic culture, you don't, to survive you remove the source of toxicity using a surgical approach. It's either you or the source (s) of toxicity survives. I so wish Ole named and shamed the players who were responsible for his eventual downfall, we can all speculate and I would bet we would be fairly accurate with educated guesses!
Unless you weed out toxic players no matter who you bring in as manager eventually player power wins. The club, manager, players. It should be in that order.
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
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What do you have in mind?
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He will need to learn coping mechanisms for working in a toxic environment. Plus he will need to learn to become a manager and DoF rolled into one.
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Every club has different culture, you can't replicate this. As for coping with toxic culture, you don't, to survive you remove the source of toxicity using a surgical approach. It's either you or the source (s) of toxicity survives. I so wish Ole named and shamed the players who were responsible for his eventual downfall, we can all speculate and I would bet we would be fairly accurate with educated guesses!
Unless you weed out toxic players no matter who you bring in as manager eventually player power wins. The club, manager, players. It should be in that order.
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The contracts some of them have is a big cause of that and will take a few years to sort out, assuming we want to sort it out.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
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What do you have in mind?
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He will need to learn coping mechanisms for working in a toxic environment. Plus he will need to learn to become a manager and DoF rolled into one.
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Every club has different culture, you can't replicate this. As for coping with toxic culture, you don't, to survive you remove the source of toxicity using a surgical approach. It's either you or the source (s) of toxicity survives. I so wish Ole named and shamed the players who were responsible for his eventual downfall, we can all speculate and I would bet we would be fairly accurate with educated guesses!
Unless you weed out toxic players no matter who you bring in as manager eventually player power wins. The club, manager, players. It should be in that order.
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The contracts some of them have is a big cause of that and will take a few years to sort out, assuming we want to sort it out.
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Yeah, jealousy and greed plays a big part. When you as players are not too fussed about trophies the next best thing is money. Utd throw money around like confetti, we as a club are responsible for setting the wrong tone. Wastefulness, greed breeds the toxic culture we have because we only attract players of a certain kind. Winners go to clubs capable of challenging, not Utd.
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posted on 2/11/23
It’s not a defence for keeping a manager, I don’t really care if he’s sacked. I’m making light of the mess this club is because you know we’ll be here again in the not too distant future.
posted on 2/11/23
Things at the club really aren’t as bad as are being made out.
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You say this exact thing every season.
posted on 2/11/23
If he keeps picking Antony I won't care if he gets sacked though. Genuinely up there with the worst wingers I have ever seen in the red shirt. Hasn't helped himself with this one at all.
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With him it's like having a winger on Football Manager and instructing him to make no forward runs, don't cross the ball, make no through balls and play every pass to the nearest player, preferably backwards.
posted on 2/11/23
Darren should hang his head in shame for ever scouting Antony. Go to bed with no dinner.
posted on 2/11/23
The narrative has changed a bit over the years on here though. Before the criticism was that we never let the manager have the players he wanted. And now the criticism is that the manager shouldn’t be allowed to pick the ones he wanted.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 4 minutes ago
If he keeps picking Antony I won't care if he gets sacked though. Genuinely up there with the worst wingers I have ever seen in the red shirt. Hasn't helped himself with this one at all.
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With him it's like having a winger on Football Manager and instructing him to make no forward runs, don't cross the ball, make no through balls and play every pass to the nearest player, preferably backwards.
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posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Darren should hang his head in shame for ever scouting Antony. Go to bed with no dinner.
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He would probably be a world beater had he joined a different club. Youtube tekkers.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
The narrative has changed a bit over the years on here though. Before the criticism was that we never let the manager have the players he wanted. And now the criticism is that the manager shouldn’t be allowed to pick the ones he wanted.
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Exactly. Inevitably the club will later be hammered for failing to back the manager thr next time its reported he didn't get who he wanted.
posted on 2/11/23
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Even TH thinks the club is in a mess. That 411m has been spent and we cant hand the players back now. I told you so, say doesnt really help United with the mess the club is in right now.
A mess you seem to be oblivious about in Oz. Its pretty clear and present.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Things at the club really aren’t as bad as are being made out. Yes the glazers absolutely suck but if another manager had come in and spent £400 million on good players rather than the ones Ten Hag picked we’d surely be doing a lot better and the heat would be off the manager.
This whole narrative of ‘nothing is ever gonna change’ is tiresome because even under a limited manager like Ole we did have periods of calm and positivity. Imagine we had the holy grail of a good manager who buys good players? They do exist.
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Absolutely no guarantee those players would have worked out. Also, Eth does not negotiate transfers, 400m spent courtesy of Murtough and co.
Apart from Antony I would say the rest have been "excellent" to "need time to settle". Red Russian has listed all of Eth's signings in a separate thread so I won't repeat it here.
It's a squad game so I would say 9 players recruited with desire for transformative change within the team is insufficient, we still need a CB, 2 FBs, 2 CMs, 2 wide players and another CF. You can't address all in 18 months.
Eth has not covered himself in glory but I suspect he's realised the task ahead to deliver what he wants to deliver is mammoth, he may have overestimated the work required. But like a few here have mentioned rather than accepting the challenge from Eth and work harder the players are, allegedly, leaking stories from the dressing in an attempt to get Eth (and yet another manager) sacked to start again. The neverending cycle continues.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 15 seconds ago
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Even TH thinks the club is in a mess. That 411m has been spent and we cant hand the players back now. I told you so, say doesnt really help United with the mess the club is in right now.
A mess you seem to be oblivious about in Oz. Its pretty clear and present.
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The mess has in large part been created by him. But messes can be fixed to an extent. Not all of his signings are beyond saving and as we’ve seen with Ange who inherited a mix of Poch, Jose, Nuno and Conte signings that many thought were useless players and Spurs was a ‘mess’, the right manager can come in and make things look rosier.
You’re the one who thinks we’re on some unstoppable path to relegation if we remove an underperforming manager when they deserve to be removed . But hey, apparently being in another country means something 😏
You’re now filtered btw
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 15 minutes ago
The narrative has changed a bit over the years on here though. Before the criticism was that we never let the manager have the players he wanted. And now the criticism is that the manager shouldn’t be allowed to pick the ones he wanted.
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This nonsense would never be part of the discourse if we had a competent Dof running the footballing operation. The DoF would then be pulling the transfer strings not the coach.
posted on 2/11/23
You’re now filtered btw
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great argument that Robb
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Things at the club really aren’t as bad as are being made out. Yes the glazers absolutely suck but if another manager had come in and spent £400 million on good players rather than the ones Ten Hag picked we’d surely be doing a lot better and the heat would be off the manager.
This whole narrative of ‘nothing is ever gonna change’ is tiresome because even under a limited manager like Ole we did have periods of calm and positivity. Imagine we had the holy grail of a good manager who buys good players? They do exist.
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Absolutely no guarantee those players would have worked out. Also, Eth does not negotiate transfers, 400m spent courtesy of Murtough and co.
Apart from Antony I would say the rest have been "excellent" to "need time to settle". Red Russian has listed all of Eth's signings in a separate thread so I won't repeat it here.
It's a squad game so I would say 9 players recruited with desire for transformative change within the team is insufficient, we still need a CB, 2 FBs, 2 CMs, 2 wide players and another CF. You can't address all in 18 months.
Eth has not covered himself in glory but I suspect he's realised the task ahead to deliver what he wants to deliver is mammoth, he may have overestimated the work required. But like a few here have mentioned rather than accepting the challenge from Eth and work harder the players are, allegedly, leaking stories from the dressing in an attempt to get Eth (and yet another manager) sacked to start again. The neverending cycle continues.
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Or it could just be as simple as what he isn’t that great a manager and is incapable of doing the most basic thing any manager can do which is getting his tactics across to the players. We can create a narrative where our players are the bad guys and are evil and just want to be lazy etc. and of course that may well be true. Or maybe they’re just hungry to succeed but just don’t relate to whatever demands the manager wants and just want someone to come in who can bring what the squad needs.
Ten Hag came in as a disciplinarian and perhaps that isn’t the approach these guys need which is why I’m a bit less ‘Conte in’ as I was before. Perhaps they need an Ange style arm around the shoulders type guy who can motivate them whilst not getting on the wrong side of the players
posted on 2/11/23
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 15 minutes ago
The narrative has changed a bit over the years on here though. Before the criticism was that we never let the manager have the players he wanted. And now the criticism is that the manager shouldn’t be allowed to pick the ones he wanted.
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This nonsense would never be part of the discourse if we had a competent Dof running the footballing operation. The DoF would then be pulling the transfer strings not the coach.
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What EXACTLY has Murtough done wrong to be called incompetent?
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Things at the club really aren’t as bad as are being made out. Yes the glazers absolutely suck but if another manager had come in and spent £400 million on good players rather than the ones Ten Hag picked we’d surely be doing a lot better and the heat would be off the manager.
This whole narrative of ‘nothing is ever gonna change’ is tiresome because even under a limited manager like Ole we did have periods of calm and positivity. Imagine we had the holy grail of a good manager who buys good players? They do exist.
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Absolutely no guarantee those players would have worked out. Also, Eth does not negotiate transfers, 400m spent courtesy of Murtough and co.
Apart from Antony I would say the rest have been "excellent" to "need time to settle". Red Russian has listed all of Eth's signings in a separate thread so I won't repeat it here.
It's a squad game so I would say 9 players recruited with desire for transformative change within the team is insufficient, we still need a CB, 2 FBs, 2 CMs, 2 wide players and another CF. You can't address all in 18 months.
Eth has not covered himself in glory but I suspect he's realised the task ahead to deliver what he wants to deliver is mammoth, he may have overestimated the work required. But like a few here have mentioned rather than accepting the challenge from Eth and work harder the players are, allegedly, leaking stories from the dressing in an attempt to get Eth (and yet another manager) sacked to start again. The neverending cycle continues.
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Or it could just be as simple as what he isn’t that great a manager and is incapable of doing the most basic thing any manager can do which is getting his tactics across to the players. We can create a narrative where our players are the bad guys and are evil and just want to be lazy etc. and of course that may well be true. Or maybe they’re just hungry to succeed but just don’t relate to whatever demands the manager wants and just want someone to come in who can bring what the squad needs.
Ten Hag came in as a disciplinarian and perhaps that isn’t the approach these guys need which is why I’m a bit less ‘Conte in’ as I was before. Perhaps they need an Ange style arm around the shoulders type guy who can motivate them whilst not getting on the wrong side of the players
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He did the good thinks at Ajax
posted on 2/11/23
I just looked at that article and it already said that the club have denied looking for alternatives. Hasn’t stopped them retweeting the story with the original headline in the last couple of hours though.
posted on 2/11/23
What a complete Nobb, Robb is.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
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What do you have in mind?
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
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What do you have in mind?
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He will need to learn coping mechanisms for working in a toxic environment. Plus he will need to learn to become a manager and DoF rolled into one.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Things at the club really aren’t as bad as are being made out. Yes the glazers absolutely suck but if another manager had come in and spent £400 million on good players rather than the ones Ten Hag picked we’d surely be doing a lot better and the heat would be off the manager.
This whole narrative of ‘nothing is ever gonna change’ is tiresome because even under a limited manager like Ole we did have periods of calm and positivity. Imagine we had the holy grail of a good manager who buys good players? They do exist.
Let’s put it this way. If Ten Hag had spent that £400 million on Rice, Maddison, Moussa Diaby, Van De Ven, Watkins and Trippier I’m fairly certain we wouldn’t have been on such a horrific run of results.
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Absolutely no guarantee those players would have worked out. Also, Eth does not negotiate transfers, 400m spent courtesy of Murtough and co.
Apart from Antony I would say the rest have been "excellent" to "need time to settle". Red Russian has listed all of Eth's signings in a separate thread so I won't repeat it here.
It's a squad game so I would say 9 players recruited with desire for transformative change within the team is insufficient, we still need a CB, 2 FBs, 2 CMs, 2 wide players and another CF. You can't address all in 18 months.
Eth has not covered himself in glory but I suspect he's realised the task ahead to deliver what he wants to deliver is mammoth, he may have overestimated the work required. But like a few here have mentioned rather than accepting the challenge from Eth and work harder the players are, allegedly, leaking stories from the dressing in an attempt to get Eth (and yet another manager) sacked to start again. The neverending cycle continues.
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Or it could just be as simple as what he isn’t that great a manager and is incapable of doing the most basic thing any manager can do which is getting his tactics across to the players. We can create a narrative where our players are the bad guys and are evil and just want to be lazy etc. and of course that may well be true. Or maybe they’re just hungry to succeed but just don’t relate to whatever demands the manager wants and just want someone to come in who can bring what the squad needs.
Ten Hag came in as a disciplinarian and perhaps that isn’t the approach these guys need which is why I’m a bit less ‘Conte in’ as I was before. Perhaps they need an Ange style arm around the shoulders type guy who can motivate them whilst not getting on the wrong side of the players
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He did the good thinks at Ajax
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I think Robb means that TH has never been quite Potch.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
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What do you have in mind?
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He will need to learn coping mechanisms for working in a toxic environment. Plus he will need to learn to become a manager and DoF rolled into one.
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Every club has different culture, you can't replicate this. As for coping with toxic culture, you don't, to survive you remove the source of toxicity using a surgical approach. It's either you or the source (s) of toxicity survives. I so wish Ole named and shamed the players who were responsible for his eventual downfall, we can all speculate and I would bet we would be fairly accurate with educated guesses!
Unless you weed out toxic players no matter who you bring in as manager eventually player power wins. The club, manager, players. It should be in that order.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
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What do you have in mind?
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He will need to learn coping mechanisms for working in a toxic environment. Plus he will need to learn to become a manager and DoF rolled into one.
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Every club has different culture, you can't replicate this. As for coping with toxic culture, you don't, to survive you remove the source of toxicity using a surgical approach. It's either you or the source (s) of toxicity survives. I so wish Ole named and shamed the players who were responsible for his eventual downfall, we can all speculate and I would bet we would be fairly accurate with educated guesses!
Unless you weed out toxic players no matter who you bring in as manager eventually player power wins. The club, manager, players. It should be in that order.
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The contracts some of them have is a big cause of that and will take a few years to sort out, assuming we want to sort it out.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance of Kungfu Bao Bun (U23079)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
I think there needs to be a special coach badge a manager needs before taking the Utd job.
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What do you have in mind?
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He will need to learn coping mechanisms for working in a toxic environment. Plus he will need to learn to become a manager and DoF rolled into one.
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Every club has different culture, you can't replicate this. As for coping with toxic culture, you don't, to survive you remove the source of toxicity using a surgical approach. It's either you or the source (s) of toxicity survives. I so wish Ole named and shamed the players who were responsible for his eventual downfall, we can all speculate and I would bet we would be fairly accurate with educated guesses!
Unless you weed out toxic players no matter who you bring in as manager eventually player power wins. The club, manager, players. It should be in that order.
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The contracts some of them have is a big cause of that and will take a few years to sort out, assuming we want to sort it out.
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Yeah, jealousy and greed plays a big part. When you as players are not too fussed about trophies the next best thing is money. Utd throw money around like confetti, we as a club are responsible for setting the wrong tone. Wastefulness, greed breeds the toxic culture we have because we only attract players of a certain kind. Winners go to clubs capable of challenging, not Utd.
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