If you want to know what they are there's plenty of literature out there. That would be a good way to spend your time .

comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 33 seconds ago
Keep going
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Please don't

comment by Real Fans Don't WUM (U23132)
posted 1 minute ago
If you want to know what they are there's plenty of literature out there. That would be a good way to spend your time .
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We all know why. Thanks for coming

You're actually the proof of why peace can't exist in that region. You're consumed and blinded by your anger. I'll leave you to it.

“I want people to stop dying”

“Proof that peace can’t exist in the region”

Are you in the IDF?

Just for the record, your contribution to this thread is as follows:

Jeffrey Epstein is not a Zionist
Suggesting Epstein is a Zionist is anti-Semitic
The OP is inflammatory and based on conspiracies
Middle Eastern countries don’t deserve sympathy
The end of bombing of innocent civilians will LEAD to tens of millions of deaths
Don’t get angry about innocent civilians being killed

It’s clear what type of person you are.

May you find peace with yourself brother

Inshallah

The list of war crimes being committed by Israel increases every day. It's amazing how nobody really cares until it happens to them.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 59 seconds ago
The list of war crimes being committed by Israel increases every day. It's amazing how nobody really cares until it happens to them.
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Tbf I think the entire world is watching and people are protesting in ways unseen since 2003. I’ve been to 6 pro Palestine marches and I feel Israel’s mask has come off to the masses forever

OP out of sheer curiosity, in your perfect world what is the end game here?

I mean we all want the innocent bloodshed to stop, but what happens after that, Israel lay down there arms and we all go back to where we were before?

Should the US back down, reverse their foreign policy and leave Israel at the mercy of countries who may well do to them what Israel are doing to Palestine?

You said it yourself, tensions in that region are caused by Israelis living there so what’s the solution there?

What’s your ideal endgame because I’m genuinely interested to find out.

“You said it yourself, tensions in that region are caused by Israelis living there so what’s the solution there?”

?????????

Should the US back down, reverse their foreign policy and leave Israel at the mercy of countries who may well do to them what Israel are doing to Palestine?

You said it yourself, tensions in that region are caused by Israelis living there so what’s the solution there?

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Incredible

comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 5 minutes ago
“You said it yourself, tensions in that region are caused by Israelis living there so what’s the solution there?”

?????????
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I misread that comment, OP, I apologise. I re-read it and it refers to the people illegally occupying their land being aggressors.

But I’m still very curious as to what you think the ideal solution to this is, as you’ve clearly thought about it more than me.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 2 minutes ago
Should the US back down, reverse their foreign policy and leave Israel at the mercy of countries who may well do to them what Israel are doing to Palestine?

You said it yourself, tensions in that region are caused by Israelis living there so what’s the solution there?

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What’s the solution to lasting peace there? Nobody seems to have an answer.

Nobody had an answer to end the war in Northern Ireland and then they did.

I don’t know the answer. It seems a point of no return because of long standing western intervention in the Middle East.

The 2 state solution seems the only viable option but that would involve Israel ending their illegal apartheid and leaving the West Bank so can’t see that ever happening.

I recently read J. M. Coetzee's debut novel, Dusklands, from 1974.

Part of it is a mock U.S. intelligence report on the aims of state terrorism perpetrated against the civilian Vietnamese population, based on the war crimes perpetrated there by the U.S. military .

It is impossible to read it right now without drawing parallels to Israel's and the IDF's current actions in Gaza.

Clearly, regardless of the public posturing, none of what is happening there is without the acquiescence of the U.S. And when the U.S. puts its foot down and tells Israel "That's it. Stop," the Israelis will complain, drop a few more shells, kill a couple of hundred more, but within a week or so will have dialled their violence and oppression against the civilian population of Gaza and the West Bank back to business as usual levels.

The point I made earlier and again above, Bats, is that none of this is particularly out of line with what the main current of U.S. foreign policy has been for almost the entire history of the country. The U.S. simply could not give two facks about brown lives abroad. But let me also make clear that this is just the general psychopathic behaviour of all empires, Spanish, English, American, Japanese, it doesn't really matter. The fact that you put so much stress on it being Biden in the OP and in the earlier part of your article and argument made it seem like some kind of point-scoring exercise in a completely different political battlefield, which is probably why you found such little sympathy from many who are and for years most probably have been sympathetic with the Palestinian cause.

I think what some are trying to say is that every US president is also an Imperial Commander, and as such will be drawn into supporting the imperialist thrust of that nation's foreign policy.

On what's going on right now, all it really tells me is that the majority of our governments and societies in the so-called West are more Islamophobic than they are Antisemitic. Just about.

comment by Real Fans Don't WUM (U23132)
posted 50 minutes ago
What do you think would happen if the US withdrew support for Israel?

Do this it's possible this would lead to an all out war in the Middle East which would make the current level of suffering minor in comparison?
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There's a difference between defending Israel and enabling genocide. Nobody is saying Israel should not be supported in anyway, there's entities that would harm Israel if allowed the opportunity. They receive an estimated $4b a years from the US government in military support alone. They also get donations from hundreds of not thousand of organisations in the US and the west by extension and from evangelical organisations, and from rich individuals.

But what is happening now should have never been allowed to happen. The fact that they need the support should have been enough to control them, but it seems the tail is wagging the dog here.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 41 minutes ago
I recently read J. M. Coetzee's debut novel, Dusklands, from 1974.

Part of it is a mock U.S. intelligence report on the aims of state terrorism perpetrated against the civilian Vietnamese population, based on the war crimes perpetrated there by the U.S. military .

It is impossible to read it right now without drawing parallels to Israel's and the IDF's current actions in Gaza.

Clearly, regardless of the public posturing, none of what is happening there is without the acquiescence of the U.S. And when the U.S. puts its foot down and tells Israel "That's it. Stop," the Israelis will complain, drop a few more shells, kill a couple of hundred more, but within a week or so will have dialled their violence and oppression against the civilian population of Gaza and the West Bank back to business as usual levels.

The point I made earlier and again above, Bats, is that none of this is particularly out of line with what the main current of U.S. foreign policy has been for almost the entire history of the country. The U.S. simply could not give two facks about brown lives abroad. But let me also make clear that this is just the general psychopathic behaviour of all empires, Spanish, English, American, Japanese, it doesn't really matter. The fact that you put so much stress on it being Biden in the OP and in the earlier part of your article and argument made it seem like some kind of point-scoring exercise in a completely different political battlefield, which is probably why you found such little sympathy from many who are and for years most probably have been sympathetic with the Palestinian cause.

I think what some are trying to say is that every US president is also an Imperial Commander, and as such will be drawn into supporting the imperialist thrust of that nation's foreign policy.

On what's going on right now, all it really tells me is that the majority of our governments and societies in the so-called West are more Islamophobic than they are Antisemitic. Just about.
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There's definitely a racist element about it as their MO is completely different when dealing with white majority nations if we're being honest.

Them and Russia spent the entire cold war facking up South and central America, Africa and Asia, basically the whole word. Facked up many countries for generations to come in a deek measuring contest, but hardly touched any white majority nations.

Even the set up of international trade and the cronyism within it makes it hard for anyone else to share equal footing with these nations. You'll never see it in the news but anyone involved in business at certain international levels knows that these nations call the shots and always prioritise each other first under any circumstances or situations.

This dates back to the Barbary pirates where an awful lot of American and Europeans were enslaved. Jefferson met with the tripolitan ambassador in 1786 and said ‘we’ve haven’t done anything to you, we have no quarrel with the Muslim world, we weren’t in the crusades, we weren’t in the war in Spain, why do you do this to us?


I’ll let you all research the response that was forthcoming.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
This dates back to the Barbary pirates where an awful lot of American and Europeans were enslaved. Jefferson met with the tripolitan ambassador in 1786 and said ‘we’ve haven’t done anything to you, we have no quarrel with the Muslim world, we weren’t in the crusades, we weren’t in the war in Spain, why do you do this to us?


I’ll let you all research the response that was forthcoming.

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I've read a bit about the Barbary Wars. It was also under Jefferson that the U.S. became hostile to the Haitian Revolution.

comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 18 hours, 36 minutes ago
I can’t for the life of me understand how American citizens themselves can agree with all this money leaving their country when so many parts of America have effectively turned into shanty towns


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Maybe you should be addressing this to some American forum. I don't know how many US citizens post on the JA utd board


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Lol

Who said that?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
This dates back to the Barbary pirates where an awful lot of American and Europeans were enslaved. Jefferson met with the tripolitan ambassador in 1786 and said ‘we’ve haven’t done anything to you, we have no quarrel with the Muslim world, we weren’t in the crusades, we weren’t in the war in Spain, why do you do this to us?


I’ll let you all research the response that was forthcoming.

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Of course you won't expound because this your MO when you know you will be challenged of you come out and say whatever you're implying.

What is the point or aim of this comment? To show that the Muslims started it?

Barbary pirates were brutal criminals that do not represent Islam that used Islam to excuse their savage acts.

And what was Jefferson doing asking pirates why they were attacking. It's what pirates do. That's why they're pirates.

They did it for greedy, money and wealth, then used the Quran as an excuse. Sat Nav think it's a milestone moment in history that shows Muslims started it.

If this made Jefferson change his view or attitude towards Muslims and their lands then he was an idiot.

This story has always sounded like bullsheet to me.

The slave owner who reportedly wrote that all men are created equal? The same slave owner who helped the attempt to suppress the Haitian revolution?
Guy just seems an ultra hypocrite.
Oh and "we didnt take part in the crusades"? Because he left Europe his ancestors weren't associated with the crusades?

He also encouraged terrorist attacks on British businesses.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 6 minutes ago
The slave owner who reportedly wrote that all men are created equal? The same slave owner who helped the attempt to suppress the Haitian revolution?
Guy just seems an ultra hypocrite.
Oh and "we didnt take part in the crusades"? Because he left Europe his ancestors weren't associated with the crusades?

He also encouraged terrorist attacks on British businesses.
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Some things I didn't know there.

Pirates and criminals who just happen to be Muslim is what is being used here. Religion has been used to excuse and justify a lot of sheet throughout history. It was used to excuse racism and colonialism as well. I don't see anyone trying to paint Christianity in a bad light because of it.