comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 47 seconds ago
"The double standards are amazing and I'm not buying the base in the middle east argument because you don't need to allow genocide in order to have a base in the middle east."
Haven't the US got military bases in Saudi and Oman plus a strong naval fleet in the med/red sea?
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Tbf i was underselling the concept of a ‘military base’. I mean an entire country reliant on it to exist in a way that Saudi and Oman aren’t that has nuclear weapons and allows them a perut foothold right by the Suez Canal and also smack bang in the middle of a region that if they got their shiiit together could unite and be a powerful alliance. Look at what happened with OPEC in the 1970s. Israel are an insurance policy for the US.
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Well if you put it like that
Military aspects aside its also an election year. The Jewish vote is important in the US and holds more.sway politically than the those of Palestinian/Arabic descent in the country.
The Jewish vote
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As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Ever thought I would see the day I agree with Robb, Annie and Mamba on the same thread .
Bats has gone more off the rails than usual here.
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Hahaha VC, hilarious as always. Yes of all the wild things I’ve said on here, holding war criminals accountable for war crimes is where you draw the line with me? Ok fair enough
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
------------------------------------------------------------------
As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
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I'm sure they will, not saying they'll base their vote exclusively on Israel and the US's reaction. Its still an important demographic in what could be a tight race.
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Ever thought I would see the day I agree with Robb, Annie and Mamba on the same thread .
Bats has gone more off the rails than usual here.
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Hahaha VC, hilarious as always. Yes of all the wild things I’ve said on here, holding war criminals accountable for war crimes is where you draw the line with me? Ok fair enough
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Nothing was meant to be funny. But what it should tell you is how misinformed or blinkered to one side you are.
OP has hadda mare here
(As usual tbf)
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
------------------------------------------------------------------
As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
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That doesn't mean they're gonna bite for the guy who doesn't back Israel, does it?
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
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Not backing Israel 100% is literally political suicide in the USA.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
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As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
=====
That doesn't mean they're gonna bite for the guy who doesn't back Israel, does it?
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
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Not backing Israel 100% is literally political suicide in the USA.
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Because they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector or industry over there?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
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As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
=====
That doesn't mean they're gonna bite for the guy who doesn't back Israel, does it?
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
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Not backing Israel 100% is literally political suicide in the USA.
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Because they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector or industry over there?
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That and the evangelicals who's misguided reading of the bible makes them believe or misbelieve some things.
Do you agree that not backing Israel is political suicide for an aspiring American president? If so then why do you think that is?
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
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As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
=====
That doesn't mean they're gonna bite for the guy who doesn't back Israel, does it?
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
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Not backing Israel 100% is literally political suicide in the USA.
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Because they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector or industry over there?
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That and the evangelicals who's misguided reading of the bible makes them believe or misbelieve some things.
Do you agree that not backing Israel is political suicide for an aspiring American president? If so then why do you think that is?
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Yes I think it would be political suicide but because of the relationship that the country has with Israel.
I was referring to your questionable stereotype that you claim is fact that they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector over there. I don’t think you are meaning to be anti-Semitic but that type of assumption and claiming it to be fact is a form of anti-semitism, deliberate/conscious or not.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 5 hours, 10 minutes ago
Military aspects aside its also an election year. The Jewish vote is important in the US and holds more.sway politically than the those of Palestinian/Arabic descent in the country.
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There's a huge number of christian zionists in the US like 10s of millions
Over 60% of the Country identifies itself as Christian.
Only 2.4% are Jews. I don't think their vote is that significant.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Ever thought I would see the day I agree with Robb, Annie and Mamba on the same thread .
Bats has gone more off the rails than usual here.
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Hahaha VC, hilarious as always. Yes of all the wild things I’ve said on here, holding war criminals accountable for war crimes is where you draw the line with me? Ok fair enough
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Nothing was meant to be funny. But what it should tell you is how misinformed or blinkered to one side you are.
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Which side is that? I’m sorry that I want to stop seeing innocent people dying. I didn’t mean to upset you
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
------------------------------------------------------------------
As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
=====
That doesn't mean they're gonna bite for the guy who doesn't back Israel, does it?
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not backing Israel 100% is literally political suicide in the USA.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector or industry over there?
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That and the evangelicals who's misguided reading of the bible makes them believe or misbelieve some things.
Do you agree that not backing Israel is political suicide for an aspiring American president? If so then why do you think that is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes I think it would be political suicide but because of the relationship that the country has with Israel.
I was referring to your questionable stereotype that you claim is fact that they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector over there. I don’t think you are meaning to be anti-Semitic but that type of assumption and claiming it to be fact is a form of anti-semitism, deliberate/conscious or not.
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How is it not factual? They do have a great deal if influence, but so do other entities.
I mean, nobody bats an eyelid when I say the evangelicals have a great deal of influence in USA, which they do, that's why going against them is suicidal, but if I say the same about Israel it's anti semitic? Israel itself shamelessly, emphatically and without regrets constantly makes statements and allegations about Palestine and Arabs that would be labeled antisemitic if they were said about Israel. Yet when the shoe is on the other foot it's antisemitism.
Even the word antisemitism is confusing as Arabs are also semites.
As I said, it's important to separate fact from theory or conspiracy. Antisemitism exists and it's abhorrent, but there's also a trend to label some things as antisemitic when they really aren't. Issues must be looked at individually and not blanket condemned.
Man I am so disillusioned with the world. Hundreds of children are being massacred on a daily basis and people (not just on here) seem to be way more concerned with what qualifies and anti-Semitic or not than what is actually happening to these helpless people.
If your children were murdered by IDF terrorists, would you still think ‘oh well it’s US policies bla bla’?
If this was happening under Trump’s watch, would people be citing US policies to defend him?
The answer to both questions is hell fuqing no.
I just can’t get my head around these double standards. It angers me just as much as it upsets me.
The average American backs Israel as the good guys.
The rest of the Middle East is responsible for 9/11.
Going against that narrative would be political suicide. Even Starmer won't do it here.
qualifies as* anti-Semitic
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 13 minutes ago
I just can’t get my head around these double standards. It angers me just as much as it upsets me.
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Most people just go to work to put food on the table and feed their families, and don't have the luxury of enough time to get angry about things which happen outside of their Country.
Those people would have a lot more sympathy if there hadn't been big terrorist attacks in Western Countries.
US presidents are primarily chosen on domestic policy.
Yes well I have too much time on my hands obviously. I have been consumed by these atrocities, my life is starting for revolve around it. I just can’t understand how we are just letting this happen. Completely powerless
Those people would have a lot more sympathy if there hadn't been big terrorist attacks in Western Countries.
=====
Exactly.
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 32 minutes ago
Man I am so disillusioned with the world. Hundreds of children are being massacred on a daily basis and people (not just on here) seem to be way more concerned with what qualifies and anti-Semitic or not than what is actually happening to these helpless people.
====
Agreed. Children are being blown to smithereens and maimed and some hardly say anything about it even on here. Israel also get attacked, but we tend to hear about that more often. The propaganda here is so strong it cannot be overcome any time soon. It should not be possible but it's happening.
But you say something about Israel and suddenly the Justice League and the entire DC universe, the good guys, are on your case, to save them from yet another Hitler, which is what I've seen some people being called on this very thread.
As I said antisemitism definitely exists and it's levels are concerning at the moment, but that doesn't mean that at the same time, accusations of antisemitism are not being used to silence critics and basically going against freedoms of speech. The problem is that the boundary between the two is very blurred because actual antisemitic sentiment also often hides behind the same excuses as honest commentary IMO.
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Be careful that’s anti-Semitic
In fact I am just going to delete so it isn’t all that people talk about
What do you think would happen if the US withdrew support for Israel?
Do this it's possible this would lead to an all out war in the Middle East which would make the current level of suffering minor in comparison?
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posted on 9/1/24
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 47 seconds ago
"The double standards are amazing and I'm not buying the base in the middle east argument because you don't need to allow genocide in order to have a base in the middle east."
Haven't the US got military bases in Saudi and Oman plus a strong naval fleet in the med/red sea?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbf i was underselling the concept of a ‘military base’. I mean an entire country reliant on it to exist in a way that Saudi and Oman aren’t that has nuclear weapons and allows them a perut foothold right by the Suez Canal and also smack bang in the middle of a region that if they got their shiiit together could unite and be a powerful alliance. Look at what happened with OPEC in the 1970s. Israel are an insurance policy for the US.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well if you put it like that
Military aspects aside its also an election year. The Jewish vote is important in the US and holds more.sway politically than the those of Palestinian/Arabic descent in the country.
posted on 9/1/24
The Jewish vote
------------------------------------------------------------------
As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Ever thought I would see the day I agree with Robb, Annie and Mamba on the same thread .
Bats has gone more off the rails than usual here.
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Hahaha VC, hilarious as always. Yes of all the wild things I’ve said on here, holding war criminals accountable for war crimes is where you draw the line with me? Ok fair enough
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
------------------------------------------------------------------
As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
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I'm sure they will, not saying they'll base their vote exclusively on Israel and the US's reaction. Its still an important demographic in what could be a tight race.
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Ever thought I would see the day I agree with Robb, Annie and Mamba on the same thread .
Bats has gone more off the rails than usual here.
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Hahaha VC, hilarious as always. Yes of all the wild things I’ve said on here, holding war criminals accountable for war crimes is where you draw the line with me? Ok fair enough
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing was meant to be funny. But what it should tell you is how misinformed or blinkered to one side you are.
posted on 9/1/24
OP has hadda mare here
(As usual tbf)
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
------------------------------------------------------------------
As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
=====
That doesn't mean they're gonna bite for the guy who doesn't back Israel, does it?
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not backing Israel 100% is literally political suicide in the USA.
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
------------------------------------------------------------------
As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
=====
That doesn't mean they're gonna bite for the guy who doesn't back Israel, does it?
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not backing Israel 100% is literally political suicide in the USA.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector or industry over there?
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
------------------------------------------------------------------
As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
=====
That doesn't mean they're gonna bite for the guy who doesn't back Israel, does it?
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not backing Israel 100% is literally political suicide in the USA.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector or industry over there?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That and the evangelicals who's misguided reading of the bible makes them believe or misbelieve some things.
Do you agree that not backing Israel is political suicide for an aspiring American president? If so then why do you think that is?
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
------------------------------------------------------------------
As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
=====
That doesn't mean they're gonna bite for the guy who doesn't back Israel, does it?
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not backing Israel 100% is literally political suicide in the USA.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector or industry over there?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That and the evangelicals who's misguided reading of the bible makes them believe or misbelieve some things.
Do you agree that not backing Israel is political suicide for an aspiring American president? If so then why do you think that is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes I think it would be political suicide but because of the relationship that the country has with Israel.
I was referring to your questionable stereotype that you claim is fact that they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector over there. I don’t think you are meaning to be anti-Semitic but that type of assumption and claiming it to be fact is a form of anti-semitism, deliberate/conscious or not.
posted on 9/1/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 5 hours, 10 minutes ago
Military aspects aside its also an election year. The Jewish vote is important in the US and holds more.sway politically than the those of Palestinian/Arabic descent in the country.
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There's a huge number of christian zionists in the US like 10s of millions
Over 60% of the Country identifies itself as Christian.
Only 2.4% are Jews. I don't think their vote is that significant.
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Ever thought I would see the day I agree with Robb, Annie and Mamba on the same thread .
Bats has gone more off the rails than usual here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hahaha VC, hilarious as always. Yes of all the wild things I’ve said on here, holding war criminals accountable for war crimes is where you draw the line with me? Ok fair enough
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing was meant to be funny. But what it should tell you is how misinformed or blinkered to one side you are.
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Which side is that? I’m sorry that I want to stop seeing innocent people dying. I didn’t mean to upset you
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - "When the facts are in your favour, you argue the facts. When facts are not in your favour you argue the process." (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 53 minutes ago
The Jewish vote
------------------------------------------------------------------
As has been pointed out a few times on this thread:
1) Jewish people in America vote on a lot of different issues, plenty do not identify as 'pro-Israel', and among those who do, plenty do not support the brutality of the occupation or current military campaign.
=====
That doesn't mean they're gonna bite for the guy who doesn't back Israel, does it?
2) Conservative Christian evangelicals represent a much larger and a rather more homogeneous voting bloc in the States, and is staunchly pro-Israel (while paradoxically not very upset about anti-Semitism when their politicians and activists start to get a bit fashy).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not backing Israel 100% is literally political suicide in the USA.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector or industry over there?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That and the evangelicals who's misguided reading of the bible makes them believe or misbelieve some things.
Do you agree that not backing Israel is political suicide for an aspiring American president? If so then why do you think that is?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes I think it would be political suicide but because of the relationship that the country has with Israel.
I was referring to your questionable stereotype that you claim is fact that they have a great deal of influence in nearly every sector over there. I don’t think you are meaning to be anti-Semitic but that type of assumption and claiming it to be fact is a form of anti-semitism, deliberate/conscious or not.
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How is it not factual? They do have a great deal if influence, but so do other entities.
I mean, nobody bats an eyelid when I say the evangelicals have a great deal of influence in USA, which they do, that's why going against them is suicidal, but if I say the same about Israel it's anti semitic? Israel itself shamelessly, emphatically and without regrets constantly makes statements and allegations about Palestine and Arabs that would be labeled antisemitic if they were said about Israel. Yet when the shoe is on the other foot it's antisemitism.
Even the word antisemitism is confusing as Arabs are also semites.
As I said, it's important to separate fact from theory or conspiracy. Antisemitism exists and it's abhorrent, but there's also a trend to label some things as antisemitic when they really aren't. Issues must be looked at individually and not blanket condemned.
posted on 9/1/24
Man I am so disillusioned with the world. Hundreds of children are being massacred on a daily basis and people (not just on here) seem to be way more concerned with what qualifies and anti-Semitic or not than what is actually happening to these helpless people.
If your children were murdered by IDF terrorists, would you still think ‘oh well it’s US policies bla bla’?
If this was happening under Trump’s watch, would people be citing US policies to defend him?
The answer to both questions is hell fuqing no.
I just can’t get my head around these double standards. It angers me just as much as it upsets me.
posted on 9/1/24
The average American backs Israel as the good guys.
The rest of the Middle East is responsible for 9/11.
Going against that narrative would be political suicide. Even Starmer won't do it here.
posted on 9/1/24
qualifies as* anti-Semitic
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 13 minutes ago
I just can’t get my head around these double standards. It angers me just as much as it upsets me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most people just go to work to put food on the table and feed their families, and don't have the luxury of enough time to get angry about things which happen outside of their Country.
Those people would have a lot more sympathy if there hadn't been big terrorist attacks in Western Countries.
US presidents are primarily chosen on domestic policy.
posted on 9/1/24
Yes well I have too much time on my hands obviously. I have been consumed by these atrocities, my life is starting for revolve around it. I just can’t understand how we are just letting this happen. Completely powerless
posted on 9/1/24
Those people would have a lot more sympathy if there hadn't been big terrorist attacks in Western Countries.
=====
Exactly.
posted on 9/1/24
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 32 minutes ago
Man I am so disillusioned with the world. Hundreds of children are being massacred on a daily basis and people (not just on here) seem to be way more concerned with what qualifies and anti-Semitic or not than what is actually happening to these helpless people.
====
Agreed. Children are being blown to smithereens and maimed and some hardly say anything about it even on here. Israel also get attacked, but we tend to hear about that more often. The propaganda here is so strong it cannot be overcome any time soon. It should not be possible but it's happening.
But you say something about Israel and suddenly the Justice League and the entire DC universe, the good guys, are on your case, to save them from yet another Hitler, which is what I've seen some people being called on this very thread.
As I said antisemitism definitely exists and it's levels are concerning at the moment, but that doesn't mean that at the same time, accusations of antisemitism are not being used to silence critics and basically going against freedoms of speech. The problem is that the boundary between the two is very blurred because actual antisemitic sentiment also often hides behind the same excuses as honest commentary IMO.
posted on 9/1/24
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posted on 9/1/24
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posted on 9/1/24
Be careful that’s anti-Semitic
posted on 9/1/24
In fact I am just going to delete so it isn’t all that people talk about
posted on 9/1/24
What do you think would happen if the US withdrew support for Israel?
Do this it's possible this would lead to an all out war in the Middle East which would make the current level of suffering minor in comparison?
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