comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's whoever needs to benefit.
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So how do we judge who needs to benefit? What are the criteria? How is it measured? Who measures it? Who decides whom is more deserving than others?
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If you cannot answer this, and I’m sure you cannot, then I don’t get how you can support something that you don’t know how it manifests practically,
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
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Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 seconds ago
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
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Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
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I wouldn’t say it’s broadly a mitigation of this. I’d say it’s a poor attempt to mitigate that without considering the consequences.
Legacy connections and financial donations should play no part in enrolment, I agree.
But AA is a very unsophisticated way to mitigate that, one which leads to many other groups suffering, namely the Asian communities and (not that anyone cares for the following group) white people who aren’t mega-wealthy nor having familial links to the university.
Remove all identifiers on applications.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 seconds ago
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
-------------------
Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
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I wouldn’t say it’s broadly a mitigation of this. I’d say it’s a poor attempt to mitigate that without considering the consequences.
Legacy connections and financial donations should play no part in enrolment, I agree.
But AA is a very unsophisticated way to mitigate that, one which leads to many other groups suffering, namely the Asian communities and (not that anyone cares for the following group) white people who aren’t mega-wealthy nor having familial links to the university.
Remove all identifiers on applications.
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Advocating for school choice would be much better mitigation. Something that is opposed by Democrats by and large.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
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You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 seconds ago
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
-------------------
Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
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I wouldn’t say it’s broadly a mitigation of this. I’d say it’s a poor attempt to mitigate that without considering the consequences.
Legacy connections and financial donations should play no part in enrolment, I agree.
But AA is a very unsophisticated way to mitigate that, one which leads to many other groups suffering, namely the Asian communities and (not that anyone cares for the following group) white people who aren’t mega-wealthy nor having familial links to the university.
Remove all identifiers on applications.
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Advocating for school choice would be much better mitigation. Something that is opposed by Democrats by and large.
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So people with the money to send their kids to private/charter schools can take the money allotted per student with them making the charter schools richer (better?) while impoverishing the public school system?
Also. If there no "White-free" zones how can people plan for "The Great Replacement"?
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
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You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
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It points to your silliness, a reminder to not take you at all seriously.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also. If there no "White-free" zones how can people plan for "The Great Replacement"?
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Segregation
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
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You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
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It points to your silliness, a reminder to not take you at all seriously.
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How does Process' thoughts on Rashford point to anything on this thread?
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
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You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
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It points to your silliness, a reminder to not take you at all seriously.
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How does Process' thoughts on Rashford point to anything on this thread?
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Easy, Rashford is black, so not liking him as a player makes somebody racist. That is how racism works now. Also it helps if you ignore all the hate for the very white Maguire as that isn't racist.
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
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You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
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It points to your silliness, a reminder to not take you at all seriously.
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How does Process' thoughts on Rashford point to anything on this thread?
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Honestly it’s not worth my time hand-holding you through everything. You still wouldn’t understand, so what’s the point in debating with a weirdo who tells other people what they think even when they’ve said the complete opposite?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
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It points to your silliness, a reminder to not take you at all seriously.
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How does Process' thoughts on Rashford point to anything on this thread?
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Honestly it’s not worth my time hand-holding you through everything. You still wouldn’t understand, so what’s the point in debating with a weirdo who tells other people what they think even when they’ve said the complete opposite?
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what have you posted that is the complete opposite of what you think.
Again are you OK SatNav?
or what have I posted that I claim you posted that is the complete opposite of what you think?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 seconds ago
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
-------------------
Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
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I wouldn’t say it’s broadly a mitigation of this. I’d say it’s a poor attempt to mitigate that without considering the consequences.
Legacy connections and financial donations should play no part in enrolment, I agree.
But AA is a very unsophisticated way to mitigate that, one which leads to many other groups suffering, namely the Asian communities and (not that anyone cares for the following group) white people who aren’t mega-wealthy nor having familial links to the university.
Remove all identifiers on applications.
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Do you have data that supports these claims of significant harmful effects of AA? The facts around the overall impacts of such programs are quite complex, and don't paint a black and white picture. However, I understand it's correct to say that Asian Americans are slightly overrepresented at elite universities relative to the population as a whole.
Ivy League universities are private institutions with no absolute obligations to society. They have always been bastions of privilege, and AA has been a fairly superficial scratch on the surface of that, while they continue to be primarily a mechanism for the social and educational advancement of the elite class (which is primarily white). I find it puzzling that you are so affronted by the scheme that enables a small number of gifted people of colour to participate in that system, and only acknowledging as an afterthought the fact that they are generally very elitist and primarily open to those who buy their way in, either directly or by being groomed for Ivy League admissions by exclusive and expensive prep schools.
People that complain about positive discrimination are just enabling the institutional discrimination that exists within these institutions. Not a surprise that it’s Tories that crow the loudest about the so called negative effects.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
People that complain about positive discrimination are just enabling the institutional discrimination that exists within these institutions. Not a surprise that it’s Tories that crow the loudest about the so called negative effects.
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Can you blame them? Every father must worry about the future of his children especially if they're white.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 seconds ago
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
-------------------
Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
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I wouldn’t say it’s broadly a mitigation of this. I’d say it’s a poor attempt to mitigate that without considering the consequences.
Legacy connections and financial donations should play no part in enrolment, I agree.
But AA is a very unsophisticated way to mitigate that, one which leads to many other groups suffering, namely the Asian communities and (not that anyone cares for the following group) white people who aren’t mega-wealthy nor having familial links to the university.
Remove all identifiers on applications.
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Do you have data that supports these claims of significant harmful effects of AA? The facts around the overall impacts of such programs are quite complex, and don't paint a black and white picture. However, I understand it's correct to say that Asian Americans are slightly overrepresented at elite universities relative to the population as a whole.
Ivy League universities are private institutions with no absolute obligations to society. They have always been bastions of privilege, and AA has been a fairly superficial scratch on the surface of that, while they continue to be primarily a mechanism for the social and educational advancement of the elite class (which is primarily white). I find it puzzling that you are so affronted by the scheme that enables a small number of gifted people of colour to participate in that system, and only acknowledging as an afterthought the fact that they are generally very elitist and primarily open to those who buy their way in, either directly or by being groomed for Ivy League admissions by exclusive and expensive prep schools.
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These articles will help you sleep on the plane back 🤣
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/06/30/why-affirmative-action-in-american-universities-had-to-go
The Supreme Court ruling last year will shed some insights:
https://www.sidley.com/en/insights/newsupdates/2023/08/us-supreme-court-ends-affirmative-action-in-higher-education--an-overview-and-practical-next-steps
Thomas Sowell has done the most global research on this topic but it’s not free
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_Action_Around_the_World
I think what is clear is that legacy admissions need to stop (but they won’t because the universities need the money) and all applications need to be 100% anonymous. But I just cannot agree with one person not getting admitted due to race, I will never get onboard with that. It’s racism.
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
People that complain about positive discrimination are just enabling the institutional discrimination that exists within these institutions. Not a surprise that it’s Tories that crow the loudest about the so called negative effects.
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Can you blame them? Every father must worry about the future of his children especially if they're white.
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One of us hates all racism. One of us is content with some racism.
I wonder which you are…
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's whoever needs to benefit.
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So how do we judge who needs to benefit? What are the criteria? How is it measured? Who measures it? Who decides whom is more deserving than others?
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If you cannot answer this, and I’m sure you cannot, then I don’t get how you can support something that you don’t know how it manifests practically,
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No reply to this one, eh?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
People that complain about positive discrimination are just enabling the institutional discrimination that exists within these institutions. Not a surprise that it’s Tories that crow the loudest about the so called negative effects.
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Can you blame them? Every father must worry about the future of his children especially if they're white.
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One of us hates all racism. One of us is content with some racism.
I wonder which you are…
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This is certainly an accurate statement but not in the order you think. Quite ironic that you should say that actually.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's whoever needs to benefit.
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So how do we judge who needs to benefit? What are the criteria? How is it measured? Who measures it? Who decides whom is more deserving than others?
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If you cannot answer this, and I’m sure you cannot, then I don’t get how you can support something that you don’t know how it manifests practically,
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No reply to this one, eh?
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Of course I can answer it. There's nothing somebody like you can throw at me that I can't brush off my shoulder.
As I said, this question comes from your (mis) understanding of the whole concept. This is not some constitution, who benefits will be determined on a case by case basis depending on the particular set of circumstances relevant to that situation.
For instance, we agree this caaant is tripping by calling United's panel racist. But on another day on another topic, you will find some other panel somewhere that could or should be more diverse and benefit from diversity and in that case affirmative action would be beneficial.
So as I said, case by case basis. It is for reasons like that that people receive diversity training, which you also oppose. Genius.
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
People that complain about positive discrimination are just enabling the institutional discrimination that exists within these institutions. Not a surprise that it’s Tories that crow the loudest about the so called negative effects.
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Can you blame them? Every father must worry about the future of his children especially if they're white.
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One of us hates all racism. One of us is content with some racism.
I wonder which you are…
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This is certainly an accurate statement but not in the order you think. Quite ironic that you should say that actually.
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It’s ironic that you don’t get that you’re ok with race based discrimination and still don’t understand it.
SatNav, I asked whether you had data that supported your claims, not whether you could share some articles on the topic. In particular, I was looking for data that could substantiate the idea that Asian Americans were missing out on elite education as a result of AA.
It has always been unpopular with conservatives (whose political philosophy is based on defending traditional hierarchies) so of course there is no shortage of content out there eloquently arguing that it's a Bad Thing. And it's no surprise that the ultra-conservative majority on the Supreme Court ruled against it, just as it ruled to kill the right to abortion, to enshrine corporations' rights to influence political process, to prevent federal government restriction of egregious gerrymandering (often carried out on nakedly racial lines to limit the representation of black voters in Red states). If you wish to cite the SOTUS verdict as an authority that AA was fundamentally wrong, then you are endorsing it as an authority on these issues too.
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posted on 13/3/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's whoever needs to benefit.
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So how do we judge who needs to benefit? What are the criteria? How is it measured? Who measures it? Who decides whom is more deserving than others?
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If you cannot answer this, and I’m sure you cannot, then I don’t get how you can support something that you don’t know how it manifests practically,
posted on 13/3/24
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
-------------------
Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 seconds ago
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
-------------------
Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
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I wouldn’t say it’s broadly a mitigation of this. I’d say it’s a poor attempt to mitigate that without considering the consequences.
Legacy connections and financial donations should play no part in enrolment, I agree.
But AA is a very unsophisticated way to mitigate that, one which leads to many other groups suffering, namely the Asian communities and (not that anyone cares for the following group) white people who aren’t mega-wealthy nor having familial links to the university.
Remove all identifiers on applications.
posted on 13/3/24
Admission not enrolment
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 seconds ago
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
-------------------
Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
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I wouldn’t say it’s broadly a mitigation of this. I’d say it’s a poor attempt to mitigate that without considering the consequences.
Legacy connections and financial donations should play no part in enrolment, I agree.
But AA is a very unsophisticated way to mitigate that, one which leads to many other groups suffering, namely the Asian communities and (not that anyone cares for the following group) white people who aren’t mega-wealthy nor having familial links to the university.
Remove all identifiers on applications.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Advocating for school choice would be much better mitigation. Something that is opposed by Democrats by and large.
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
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You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 seconds ago
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
-------------------
Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
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I wouldn’t say it’s broadly a mitigation of this. I’d say it’s a poor attempt to mitigate that without considering the consequences.
Legacy connections and financial donations should play no part in enrolment, I agree.
But AA is a very unsophisticated way to mitigate that, one which leads to many other groups suffering, namely the Asian communities and (not that anyone cares for the following group) white people who aren’t mega-wealthy nor having familial links to the university.
Remove all identifiers on applications.
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Advocating for school choice would be much better mitigation. Something that is opposed by Democrats by and large.
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So people with the money to send their kids to private/charter schools can take the money allotted per student with them making the charter schools richer (better?) while impoverishing the public school system?
posted on 13/3/24
Also. If there no "White-free" zones how can people plan for "The Great Replacement"?
posted on 13/3/24
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
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You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
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It points to your silliness, a reminder to not take you at all seriously.
posted on 13/3/24
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 16 minutes ago
Also. If there no "White-free" zones how can people plan for "The Great Replacement"?
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Segregation
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
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It points to your silliness, a reminder to not take you at all seriously.
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How does Process' thoughts on Rashford point to anything on this thread?
posted on 13/3/24
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
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You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
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It points to your silliness, a reminder to not take you at all seriously.
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How does Process' thoughts on Rashford point to anything on this thread?
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Easy, Rashford is black, so not liking him as a player makes somebody racist. That is how racism works now. Also it helps if you ignore all the hate for the very white Maguire as that isn't racist.
posted on 13/3/24
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
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You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
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It points to your silliness, a reminder to not take you at all seriously.
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How does Process' thoughts on Rashford point to anything on this thread?
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Honestly it’s not worth my time hand-holding you through everything. You still wouldn’t understand, so what’s the point in debating with a weirdo who tells other people what they think even when they’ve said the complete opposite?
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 24 seconds ago
Is Sat Nav now speaking for a whole generation?
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I speak for myself, thank you. Haven’t you got to put words in someone’s mouth? Go do that you weirdo
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Then speak for yourself and dont try and justify your opinions by including a whole genreation by saying daft things like my generation blah blah blah
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I’ll say what I like, thank you. Does Process hate Rashford? Go and tell him he does you freak.
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You are like a baby SatNav. Are you ok?
Yes Process does hate Rashford. And I have told him.
What has that got to do with anything concerning you relating to this thread?
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It points to your silliness, a reminder to not take you at all seriously.
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How does Process' thoughts on Rashford point to anything on this thread?
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Honestly it’s not worth my time hand-holding you through everything. You still wouldn’t understand, so what’s the point in debating with a weirdo who tells other people what they think even when they’ve said the complete opposite?
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what have you posted that is the complete opposite of what you think.
Again are you OK SatNav?
posted on 13/3/24
or what have I posted that I claim you posted that is the complete opposite of what you think?
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 seconds ago
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
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Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
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I wouldn’t say it’s broadly a mitigation of this. I’d say it’s a poor attempt to mitigate that without considering the consequences.
Legacy connections and financial donations should play no part in enrolment, I agree.
But AA is a very unsophisticated way to mitigate that, one which leads to many other groups suffering, namely the Asian communities and (not that anyone cares for the following group) white people who aren’t mega-wealthy nor having familial links to the university.
Remove all identifiers on applications.
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Do you have data that supports these claims of significant harmful effects of AA? The facts around the overall impacts of such programs are quite complex, and don't paint a black and white picture. However, I understand it's correct to say that Asian Americans are slightly overrepresented at elite universities relative to the population as a whole.
Ivy League universities are private institutions with no absolute obligations to society. They have always been bastions of privilege, and AA has been a fairly superficial scratch on the surface of that, while they continue to be primarily a mechanism for the social and educational advancement of the elite class (which is primarily white). I find it puzzling that you are so affronted by the scheme that enables a small number of gifted people of colour to participate in that system, and only acknowledging as an afterthought the fact that they are generally very elitist and primarily open to those who buy their way in, either directly or by being groomed for Ivy League admissions by exclusive and expensive prep schools.
posted on 13/3/24
People that complain about positive discrimination are just enabling the institutional discrimination that exists within these institutions. Not a surprise that it’s Tories that crow the loudest about the so called negative effects.
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
People that complain about positive discrimination are just enabling the institutional discrimination that exists within these institutions. Not a surprise that it’s Tories that crow the loudest about the so called negative effects.
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Can you blame them? Every father must worry about the future of his children especially if they're white.
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 seconds ago
This is plain to see in the US with their university affirmative action admission process - less successful candidates above people with more impressive exam results say.
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Ivy League unis have vastly more (primarily white) students who get in through legacy connections rather than exam results, than places dedicated to affirmative action (where students still have to be outstanding to get in, because competition for those places is fierce). They are still bastions of white (WASP) privilege and AA is broadly a mitigation of this.
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I wouldn’t say it’s broadly a mitigation of this. I’d say it’s a poor attempt to mitigate that without considering the consequences.
Legacy connections and financial donations should play no part in enrolment, I agree.
But AA is a very unsophisticated way to mitigate that, one which leads to many other groups suffering, namely the Asian communities and (not that anyone cares for the following group) white people who aren’t mega-wealthy nor having familial links to the university.
Remove all identifiers on applications.
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Do you have data that supports these claims of significant harmful effects of AA? The facts around the overall impacts of such programs are quite complex, and don't paint a black and white picture. However, I understand it's correct to say that Asian Americans are slightly overrepresented at elite universities relative to the population as a whole.
Ivy League universities are private institutions with no absolute obligations to society. They have always been bastions of privilege, and AA has been a fairly superficial scratch on the surface of that, while they continue to be primarily a mechanism for the social and educational advancement of the elite class (which is primarily white). I find it puzzling that you are so affronted by the scheme that enables a small number of gifted people of colour to participate in that system, and only acknowledging as an afterthought the fact that they are generally very elitist and primarily open to those who buy their way in, either directly or by being groomed for Ivy League admissions by exclusive and expensive prep schools.
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These articles will help you sleep on the plane back 🤣
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/06/30/why-affirmative-action-in-american-universities-had-to-go
The Supreme Court ruling last year will shed some insights:
https://www.sidley.com/en/insights/newsupdates/2023/08/us-supreme-court-ends-affirmative-action-in-higher-education--an-overview-and-practical-next-steps
Thomas Sowell has done the most global research on this topic but it’s not free
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_Action_Around_the_World
I think what is clear is that legacy admissions need to stop (but they won’t because the universities need the money) and all applications need to be 100% anonymous. But I just cannot agree with one person not getting admitted due to race, I will never get onboard with that. It’s racism.
posted on 13/3/24
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
People that complain about positive discrimination are just enabling the institutional discrimination that exists within these institutions. Not a surprise that it’s Tories that crow the loudest about the so called negative effects.
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Can you blame them? Every father must worry about the future of his children especially if they're white.
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One of us hates all racism. One of us is content with some racism.
I wonder which you are…
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's whoever needs to benefit.
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So how do we judge who needs to benefit? What are the criteria? How is it measured? Who measures it? Who decides whom is more deserving than others?
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If you cannot answer this, and I’m sure you cannot, then I don’t get how you can support something that you don’t know how it manifests practically,
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No reply to this one, eh?
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
People that complain about positive discrimination are just enabling the institutional discrimination that exists within these institutions. Not a surprise that it’s Tories that crow the loudest about the so called negative effects.
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Can you blame them? Every father must worry about the future of his children especially if they're white.
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One of us hates all racism. One of us is content with some racism.
I wonder which you are…
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This is certainly an accurate statement but not in the order you think. Quite ironic that you should say that actually.
posted on 13/3/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's whoever needs to benefit.
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So how do we judge who needs to benefit? What are the criteria? How is it measured? Who measures it? Who decides whom is more deserving than others?
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If you cannot answer this, and I’m sure you cannot, then I don’t get how you can support something that you don’t know how it manifests practically,
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No reply to this one, eh?
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Of course I can answer it. There's nothing somebody like you can throw at me that I can't brush off my shoulder.
As I said, this question comes from your (mis) understanding of the whole concept. This is not some constitution, who benefits will be determined on a case by case basis depending on the particular set of circumstances relevant to that situation.
For instance, we agree this caaant is tripping by calling United's panel racist. But on another day on another topic, you will find some other panel somewhere that could or should be more diverse and benefit from diversity and in that case affirmative action would be beneficial.
So as I said, case by case basis. It is for reasons like that that people receive diversity training, which you also oppose. Genius.
posted on 13/3/24
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
People that complain about positive discrimination are just enabling the institutional discrimination that exists within these institutions. Not a surprise that it’s Tories that crow the loudest about the so called negative effects.
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Can you blame them? Every father must worry about the future of his children especially if they're white.
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One of us hates all racism. One of us is content with some racism.
I wonder which you are…
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This is certainly an accurate statement but not in the order you think. Quite ironic that you should say that actually.
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It’s ironic that you don’t get that you’re ok with race based discrimination and still don’t understand it.
posted on 13/3/24
SatNav, I asked whether you had data that supported your claims, not whether you could share some articles on the topic. In particular, I was looking for data that could substantiate the idea that Asian Americans were missing out on elite education as a result of AA.
It has always been unpopular with conservatives (whose political philosophy is based on defending traditional hierarchies) so of course there is no shortage of content out there eloquently arguing that it's a Bad Thing. And it's no surprise that the ultra-conservative majority on the Supreme Court ruled against it, just as it ruled to kill the right to abortion, to enshrine corporations' rights to influence political process, to prevent federal government restriction of egregious gerrymandering (often carried out on nakedly racial lines to limit the representation of black voters in Red states). If you wish to cite the SOTUS verdict as an authority that AA was fundamentally wrong, then you are endorsing it as an authority on these issues too.
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