comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago

But again, who decides and values these ‘particular set of circumstances?’ No msterr how to try to cut it, someone will have to make a call that person a deserves it over person b,
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Don't you understand how quotas work? There's no such call you be made.
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Do I need to run you through it with numbers? Shall I get the bright coloured wooden block numbers for you?

100 positions available

Quotas for 20 x y and z that’s leaves…..oh yeah 80 spaces


So it’s not best student, best grades, best personal statement, best extra curricular activities. 20 spots no matter what, must go to a particular person set by race if it were up to you. That is discriminating against the other (outside of sheer luck that the best candidates all happened to fall into the 80/20 paradigm which of course is unlikely) candidates who didn’t make the cut because they do not have the racial characteristic that you desire.

You can at least admit and own what you want, have some self-respect at least.
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Why are there only 100 positions available? That's already discriminatory because there's more applicants than positions. Who misses out misses out.

So now there are only 80 positions available. Same concept applies. Who misses out misses out. You have no been denied anything if you miss out. Positions were filled.

Also, you fail to address the elephant in the room. If Asians need to get higher SAT scores, and many other imbalances how do you suggest to fix that? You are just hammering affirmative action without providing alternatives.

When people point out the flaws of capitalism you ask them to name a better option. Time for you to do the same. Or should we just leave the racism to continue unabated because fixing it is also racist according to some genius on the internet.
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I have already made alternative suggestions for improvement. Fixing racism with racism is not a fix I sign up to, you do which is fine for you.

Sat Nav you still havn't answered my question.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago

But again, who decides and values these ‘particular set of circumstances?’ No msterr how to try to cut it, someone will have to make a call that person a deserves it over person b,
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Don't you understand how quotas work? There's no such call you be made.
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Do I need to run you through it with numbers? Shall I get the bright coloured wooden block numbers for you?

100 positions available

Quotas for 20 x y and z that’s leaves…..oh yeah 80 spaces


So it’s not best student, best grades, best personal statement, best extra curricular activities. 20 spots no matter what, must go to a particular person set by race if it were up to you. That is discriminating against the other (outside of sheer luck that the best candidates all happened to fall into the 80/20 paradigm which of course is unlikely) candidates who didn’t make the cut because they do not have the racial characteristic that you desire.

You can at least admit and own what you want, have some self-respect at least.
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Why are there only 100 positions available? That's already discriminatory because there's more applicants than positions. Who misses out misses out.

So now there are only 80 positions available. Same concept applies. Who misses out misses out. You have no been denied anything if you miss out. Positions were filled.

Also, you fail to address the elephant in the room. If Asians need to get higher SAT scores, and many other imbalances how do you suggest to fix that? You are just hammering affirmative action without providing alternatives.

When people point out the flaws of capitalism you ask them to name a better option. Time for you to do the same. Or should we just leave the racism to continue unabated because fixing it is also racist according to some genius on the internet.
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I have already made alternative suggestions for improvement.
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Which are?

comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Sat Nav you still havn't answered my question.
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I'm sure he already answered it, you missed and he's not willing to go back or repeat himself.

Seen it one hundred kabillion eighty times.

comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago

But again, who decides and values these ‘particular set of circumstances?’ No msterr how to try to cut it, someone will have to make a call that person a deserves it over person b,
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Don't you understand how quotas work? There's no such call you be made.
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Do I need to run you through it with numbers? Shall I get the bright coloured wooden block numbers for you?

100 positions available

Quotas for 20 x y and z that’s leaves…..oh yeah 80 spaces


So it’s not best student, best grades, best personal statement, best extra curricular activities. 20 spots no matter what, must go to a particular person set by race if it were up to you. That is discriminating against the other (outside of sheer luck that the best candidates all happened to fall into the 80/20 paradigm which of course is unlikely) candidates who didn’t make the cut because they do not have the racial characteristic that you desire.

You can at least admit and own what you want, have some self-respect at least.
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Why are there only 100 positions available? That's already discriminatory because there's more applicants than positions. Who misses out misses out.

So now there are only 80 positions available. Same concept applies. Who misses out misses out. You have no been denied anything if you miss out. Positions were filled.

Also, you fail to address the elephant in the room. If Asians need to get higher SAT scores, and many other imbalances how do you suggest to fix that? You are just hammering affirmative action without providing alternatives.

When people point out the flaws of capitalism you ask them to name a better option. Time for you to do the same. Or should we just leave the racism to continue unabated because fixing it is also racist according to some genius on the internet.
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I have already made alternative suggestions for improvement.
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Which are?
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I'm sure he already answered it, you missed and he's not willing to go back or repeat himself

You go back and look you lazy caaaaant

I’ll leave you with this - instead of pushing others down, you pull those in need up
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Imagine a Tory saying this.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 31 minutes ago
Mate - you’re being silly, childish and wasting my time.

I’ll leave you with this - instead of pushing others down, you pull those in need up (but not at the expense of others!)

So you change the grass roots of the problems. You don’t punish Asian or white kids at university level. Help the poor communities thrive by improving their early educational opportunities, remove all identifiers from CVs, things like that.


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Ahem

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 37 seconds ago
I’ll leave you with this - instead of pushing others down, you pull those in need up
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Imagine a Tory saying this.
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Imagine a world where people are individuals not just pigeon holed by what party they tend to vote for.

Do you hold true to every Labour voter cliché? I doubt it.

Difference is you’re voting for people whose fundamental ideology is the antithesis of that comment. Same with the racism issue, which is what makes your comments laughable.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 21 seconds ago
Difference is you’re voting for people whose fundamental ideology is the antithesis of that comment. Same with the racism issue, which is what makes your comments laughable.
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Am I now? And when did I last vote in the GE please? Of course you know that, don’t you? You’re not just making idiotic assumptions making yourself look like a fool. No, never.

Doesn’t really matter. Unless you’re denying you’ve ever voted for them, and are going to pretend that all of your arguments aren’t straight out of the conservative playbook, the point still stands.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Doesn’t really matter. Unless you’re denying you’ve ever voted for them, and are going to pretend that all of your arguments aren’t straight out of the conservative playbook, the point still stands.
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Cool story bro

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 31 minutes ago
Mate - you’re being silly, childish and wasting my time.

I’ll leave you with this - instead of pushing others down, you pull those in need up (but not at the expense of others!)

So you change the grass roots of the problems. You don’t punish Asian or white kids at university level. Help the poor communities thrive by improving their early educational opportunities, remove all identifiers from CVs, things like that.


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Ahem
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Yeah, I didn't see this as you presenting an alternative.

Mainly because you oppose many grassroot changes as well, for the same reason you're opposing affirmative action. Don't be disingenuous with your position from issue to issue.

AA doesn't punish anyone in the same way as missing out on a job is not punishment. If evidence proves that something or some process is racist, we should move to enforce equality without being accused of being the racists ourselves.

Also, is it OK to improve their early educational opportunities by forcing schools to reflect diversity in their admissions? Or can schools admit whoever they want?

Doesn't removing identifiers take away an advantage from white people? In that the employer or university will not know they're the white applicants they should give priority consideration?

Also, are you seriously saying we should just change the grassroots and then wait 30-50 years for the benefits to come through while racism continues unabated?

Obviously, you're not in a hurry. You like to do things 30-50 years at a time.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
Doesn’t really matter. Unless you’re denying you’ve ever voted for them, and are going to pretend that all of your arguments aren’t straight out of the conservative playbook, the point still stands.
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I'll have you know he's not even a Tory. <cough>

comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 31 minutes ago
Mate - you’re being silly, childish and wasting my time.

I’ll leave you with this - instead of pushing others down, you pull those in need up (but not at the expense of others!)

So you change the grass roots of the problems. You don’t punish Asian or white kids at university level. Help the poor communities thrive by improving their early educational opportunities, remove all identifiers from CVs, things like that.


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Ahem
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Yeah, I didn't see this as you presenting an alternative.

Mainly because you oppose many grassroot changes as well, for the same reason you're opposing affirmative action. Don't be disingenuous with your position from issue to issue.

AA doesn't punish anyone in the same way as missing out on a job is not punishment. If evidence proves that something or some process is racist, we should move to enforce equality without being accused of being the racists ourselves.

Also, is it OK to improve their early educational opportunities by forcing schools to reflect diversity in their admissions? Or can schools admit whoever they want?

Doesn't removing identifiers take away an advantage from white people? In that the employer or university will not know they're the white applicants they should give priority consideration?

Also, are you seriously saying we should just change the grassroots and then wait 30-50 years for the benefits to come through while racism continues unabated?

Obviously, you're not in a hurry. You like to do things 30-50 years at a time.
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https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/higher-education/entry-rates-into-higher-education/latest/#:~:text=Between%202006%20and%202022%3A,%2C%20from%2021.8%25%20to%2032.2%25

I’m glad you’re not in a position to enact the policies that you want and I’m also glad that the US got rid of those policies.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 31 minutes ago
Mate - you’re being silly, childish and wasting my time.

I’ll leave you with this - instead of pushing others down, you pull those in need up (but not at the expense of others!)

So you change the grass roots of the problems. You don’t punish Asian or white kids at university level. Help the poor communities thrive by improving their early educational opportunities, remove all identifiers from CVs, things like that.


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Ahem
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Yeah, I didn't see this as you presenting an alternative.

Mainly because you oppose many grassroot changes as well, for the same reason you're opposing affirmative action. Don't be disingenuous with your position from issue to issue.

AA doesn't punish anyone in the same way as missing out on a job is not punishment. If evidence proves that something or some process is racist, we should move to enforce equality without being accused of being the racists ourselves.

Also, is it OK to improve their early educational opportunities by forcing schools to reflect diversity in their admissions? Or can schools admit whoever they want?

Doesn't removing identifiers take away an advantage from white people? In that the employer or university will not know they're the white applicants they should give priority consideration?

Also, are you seriously saying we should just change the grassroots and then wait 30-50 years for the benefits to come through while racism continues unabated?

Obviously, you're not in a hurry. You like to do things 30-50 years at a time.
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https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/higher-education/entry-rates-into-higher-education/latest/#:~:text=Between%202006%20and%202022%3A,%2C%20from%2021.8%25%20to%2032.2%25

I’m glad you’re not in a position to enact the policies that you want and I’m also glad that the US got rid of those policies.
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So if you’re consistent with your opinions and given that you want a case by case basis on what is needed, we should have quotas for white people getting into higher education right? I wouldn’t want that, but I assume you would given the data above?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 31 minutes ago
Mate - you’re being silly, childish and wasting my time.

I’ll leave you with this - instead of pushing others down, you pull those in need up (but not at the expense of others!)

So you change the grass roots of the problems. You don’t punish Asian or white kids at university level. Help the poor communities thrive by improving their early educational opportunities, remove all identifiers from CVs, things like that.


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Ahem
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Yeah, I didn't see this as you presenting an alternative.

Mainly because you oppose many grassroot changes as well, for the same reason you're opposing affirmative action. Don't be disingenuous with your position from issue to issue.

AA doesn't punish anyone in the same way as missing out on a job is not punishment. If evidence proves that something or some process is racist, we should move to enforce equality without being accused of being the racists ourselves.

Also, is it OK to improve their early educational opportunities by forcing schools to reflect diversity in their admissions? Or can schools admit whoever they want?

Doesn't removing identifiers take away an advantage from white people? In that the employer or university will not know they're the white applicants they should give priority consideration?

Also, are you seriously saying we should just change the grassroots and then wait 30-50 years for the benefits to come through while racism continues unabated?

Obviously, you're not in a hurry. You like to do things 30-50 years at a time.
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https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/higher-education/entry-rates-into-higher-education/latest/#:~:text=Between%202006%20and%202022%3A,%2C%20from%2021.8%25%20to%2032.2%25

I’m glad you’re not in a position to enact the policies that you want and I’m also glad that the US got rid of those policies.
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So if you’re consistent with your opinions and given that you want a case by case basis on what is needed, we should have quotas for white people getting into higher education right? I wouldn’t want that, but I assume you would given the data above?
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What do you think that data means in your view? Doesn't seem to mean what you think IMO. Rates and percentages always need looking into. We could be talking about 5 people here. And it's about increases and decreases and also rate is a percentage of which white people are the majority. It also doesn't prove that anyone is suffering because of AA.

You'll need a lot more than that to say what you say.

What do you mean got rid? What exactly did they get rid of? If it's what I think, didn't they only declare that they cannot be enforced by government? People and institutions are still free to use AA if they want.

comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 6 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by The Mamba School of Genius (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 31 minutes ago
Mate - you’re being silly, childish and wasting my time.

I’ll leave you with this - instead of pushing others down, you pull those in need up (but not at the expense of others!)

So you change the grass roots of the problems. You don’t punish Asian or white kids at university level. Help the poor communities thrive by improving their early educational opportunities, remove all identifiers from CVs, things like that.


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Ahem
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Yeah, I didn't see this as you presenting an alternative.

Mainly because you oppose many grassroot changes as well, for the same reason you're opposing affirmative action. Don't be disingenuous with your position from issue to issue.

AA doesn't punish anyone in the same way as missing out on a job is not punishment. If evidence proves that something or some process is racist, we should move to enforce equality without being accused of being the racists ourselves.

Also, is it OK to improve their early educational opportunities by forcing schools to reflect diversity in their admissions? Or can schools admit whoever they want?

Doesn't removing identifiers take away an advantage from white people? In that the employer or university will not know they're the white applicants they should give priority consideration?

Also, are you seriously saying we should just change the grassroots and then wait 30-50 years for the benefits to come through while racism continues unabated?

Obviously, you're not in a hurry. You like to do things 30-50 years at a time.
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https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/higher-education/entry-rates-into-higher-education/latest/#:~:text=Between%202006%20and%202022%3A,%2C%20from%2021.8%25%20to%2032.2%25

I’m glad you’re not in a position to enact the policies that you want and I’m also glad that the US got rid of those policies.
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So if you’re consistent with your opinions and given that you want a case by case basis on what is needed, we should have quotas for white people getting into higher education right? I wouldn’t want that, but I assume you would given the data above?
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What do you think that data means in your view? Doesn't seem to mean what you think IMO. Rates and percentages always need looking into. We could be talking about 5 people here. And it's about increases and decreases and also rate is a percentage of which white people are the majority. It also doesn't prove that anyone is suffering because of AA.

You'll need a lot more than that to say what you say.
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It shows that the lowest acceptance rate is white so as I said, I’m sure you’re all for helping those most in need, right?

It also shows that white is the smallest increase, so they need help, right? Something like AA, right?

You’ll avoid directly answering this as per usual.



It’s not 5 people lol it’s UCAS data so over 750,000 in 2022. This trend has been well-documented for years I remember Andrew Neil pointing to this data to a black trans lady who is said the country is irredeemably racist etc

It shows that the lowest acceptance rate is white so as I said, I’m sure you’re all for helping those most in need, right?

It also shows that white is the smallest increase, so they need help, right? Something like AA, right?

You’ll avoid directly answering this as per usual.
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Why would I not answer it directly? As I said, off my shoulder.

I cane easily answer it because it doesn't make sense. Your question only exists in your head because of the warped manner you view the situation in.

Just because one has the lowest rate doesn't necessarily mean you are the most in need. The smallest increase is still an increase and doesn't necessarily mean you need more help than you're already getting. Surely this is basic common sense. The fack is wrong with you?

You've been asked numerous times to demonstrate how people suffer from AA and you can't do it. What are the implications and derived meaning from these figures that support your point? If you think these rates and percentages are proof of anything in themselves then you're intellectually beyond help.

Furthermore, minorities have been at the bottom of these figures and percentages for all of history. We accept that this is because of historical racism. You agree we need to do something about it, right?

If so, then how do you suggest we take minorities off the bottom without someone else taking last place and without us granting some concessions to the minority that was suffering from racism? It's basic natural justice.

Can last place remain empty? Does it necessary mean last place is oppressed? I don't see how but I'm all ears.

Mamba's trying to gaslight.

He's not happy black students are outperforming their white peers at state schools, it scares him.

He's so attached to his justice warrior identity that it's terryfing for him if there's no oppressed black folk to advocate for.

These types can't tell the difference between historical racism and current racism, this is why statues get pulled down. This is why he spends a ridiculous amount of time posting on here instead of volunteering in struggling communities where he might get to see it's a classism issue in this Country and not a racial one.

In 2022

- 32.2% of white people were accepted to higher education – the lowest entry rate
- 50.6 of black people were accepted into higher education

Between 2006 and 2022

- The biggest increase in the entry rate was for black people, from 21.6% to 50.6%
- The smallest increase was for white people, from 21.8% to 32.2%

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
Doesn’t really matter. Unless you’re denying you’ve ever voted for them, and are going to pretend that all of your arguments aren’t straight out of the conservative playbook, the point still stands.
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It's fascinating that so many people who hold conservative views see themselves as apolitical and basically following common sense where it takes them, while viewing those who disagree with them as tribal and dogmatic to the point of assuming bad faith (see also "if you are as interested in this as you make out to be" ).

You've been asked numerous times to demonstrate how people suffer from AA

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AA is racist. People should be selected on their educational achievements and not on the basis of the colour of their skin.

If you want to level up people who's descendants have been affected by historical racism and oppression then get off this forum and volunteer in struggling communities and schools.

Stop asking people to use discrimination for that purpose, jut because people like you don't want to use the privilege of having too much time on your hands in a constructive way.

If you want to level up people who's descendants have been affected by historical racism and oppression then get off this forum and volunteer in struggling communities and schools.
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