comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9782677/Hannity-condemns-U-S-Olympic-Committees-proposal-redesign-flag-logo.html
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Team USA are literally proposing to change the stars and stripes. Thoughts?
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How has that gone down?
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
Whereas the outbreak of emotional incontinence from people who find it unacceptable is quite telling about how the extent to which our right-wing discourse has decided to focus on meaningless symbolism as an alternative to material reality.
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People's parents/grandparents fought wars where George Crosses were awarded for bravery.
There are Countries on the planet which dictators threaten the World with nukes. Not sure why you or anyone else are getting so outraged about people who don't like a colour change of a flag. Calling people like Kier Starmer right wing for it.
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 42 seconds ago
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
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It should be Basil Fawlty man handling Manuel with a speech bubble saying “now that’s how a German would do it”
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
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Kier Starmer is a Gammon?
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
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Once again, they have in no way altered our national flag. They’ve altered a thumbnail of the England flag to mimic the 66 training strip. That’s it.
The England flag is exactly how’s it’s been for years. No-one has changed it one iota.
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
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Kier Starmer is a Gammon?
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Hi Clapfree
How angry are you about this on a scale of 1000 to 10000?
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
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Kier Starmer is a Gammon?
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Hi Clapfree
How angry are you about this on a scale of 1000 to 10000?
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You didn't answer the question
Is Kier Starmer a Right wing Gammon for objecting to this?
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
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Kier Starmer is a Gammon?
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Hi Clapfree
How angry are you about this on a scale of 1000 to 10000?
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You didn't answer the question
Is Kier Starmer a Right wing Gammon for objecting to this?
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I don’t care. It’s a populist stance, but what I will say is that anyone outraged by this is a weak person
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
So at best you’re making a stupidly simplistic point, which doesn’t really serve to progress the debate.
As I said, a much more interesting line of debate would be using non-controversial traditions which have changed.
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The OP was based on a single argument - "it's traditional; therefore it shouldn't be changed" - and I was challenging that premise. I'd agree that the point I was making was simple, but I was directly engaging with the terms of the contention the OP had put forward.
As to your preference for alternative examples, I suppose that's down to sensibilities. I wasn't setting out to opine about how cultural traditions and symbols evolve, just to challenge the OP that an appeal to tradition isn't enough, that if he wants to show that this is a travesty, then the argument needs to do more than appeal to tradition.
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We should debate how traditions and symbols evolve, that would be much more interesting and a lot less crass than bringing up FGM and the killing of children!
Tradition is a tough one for people to articulate as to why it is important to them. I suppose that for some people this is a symbol of the history of our country and with that comes memories, events, achievements, pride etc and when these things change, those feelings dissipate and new memories need to be made.
Some people just don’t like change for change’s sake.
Again, we do also have to apply recent context. There has been an undeniable backlash against this country’s history, flags, historical figures. All bundled together this is why you see reactions and more notably overreactions, no doubt Tommy Robinson will go on a march and get arrested again.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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I don’t care. It’s a populist stance, but what I will say is that anyone outraged by this is a weak person
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You didn't answer the question
Is Kier Starmer a Right wing Gammon for objecting to this?
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9782677/Hannity-condemns-U-S-Olympic-Committees-proposal-redesign-flag-logo.html
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Team USA are literally proposing to change the stars and stripes. Thoughts?
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How has that gone down?
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Pretty much the exact same monngos as yourself in America with the same reaction as you to a slight design change to make it look better on their kit. The colours on the flag, on that England kit, make it look better from a design point of view, on that particular strip. Same with using fewer but larger stars on the US flag, from a design point of view. But your brain is made of seaweed so you don't understand these types of things.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
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Once again, they have in no way altered our national flag. They’ve altered a thumbnail of the England flag to mimic the 66 training strip. That’s it.
The England flag is exactly how’s it’s been for years. No-one has changed it one iota.
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Which part of the 66 training strip was purple?
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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I don’t care. It’s a populist stance, but what I will say is that anyone outraged by this is a weak person
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You didn't answer the question
Is Kier Starmer a Right wing Gammon for objecting to this?
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What? At no point have I intimated that at all? You’re a genuinely stupid person who’s reaching. Shut the fvck up and have dome self respect. Thanks in advance.
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 7 minutes ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
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https://as1.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/02/20/64/72/1000_F_220647219_ImYxLJetsDXyeQM8nHkhVhNgvTzUpCEx.jpg
I'm not offended by this in the least.
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
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Once again, they have in no way altered our national flag. They’ve altered a thumbnail of the England flag to mimic the 66 training strip. That’s it.
The England flag is exactly how’s it’s been for years. No-one has changed it one iota.
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Which part of the 66 training strip was purple?
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Google it.
* define 'flag'
* define 'england'
* define 'change'
Then:
* define 'stupidity'
I'll give a you a head start on the latter
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/stupidity
Alternatively, just:
a] grow up, or
b] gain a better life/education, or simply
c] fook off
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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That may have changed in our current era, and I imagine a lot of Welsh / Scottish / Irish people have a different perspective on this, but...
One of the healthier strands in our national self-identity has been an ability to interact with a certain irony or playfulness with our Britishness/Englishness, to feel that it doesn't weigh us down too much. When I go to countries where the flag is everywhere and where everyone is expected to treat it with po-faced reverence (the USA is quite similar to Putin's Russia in that respect), I find that quite oppressive. It's something I've always valued about my country that it has the self-confidence to not take itself too seriously, to do things with a light touch. I suppose the differing sensibilities about this England kit reflect differing political-cultural sensibilities. If you generally like England, like its cultural innovativeness and capacity for reinvention, you're probably not going to be upset about referencing another colour associated with England football in a design feature that references the flag. If you feel your sense of national identity is besieged by the forces of cultural/societal change, then this may feel like a big deal.
As for RDD's specific examples:
- the USA (despite its cult of flag) regularly does use stylised versions that reference the flag while changing colours etc. See the 1994 USMNT shirt for instance.
- Ireland: with a tricolour design it's hard to change the colours without it being unrecognisable. That design option isn't really available. Therefore designers are more likely to take those colours and use them in different patterns.
- Gaza is currently experiencing what I would describe as a genocidal assault. You'd therefore expect that a Palestinian's cultural sensibilities about their identity would naturally be quite different from someone from England. I'd suggest that an English institution playing around with a national symbol has quite a different import than a Palestinian one doing the same.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
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Once again, they have in no way altered our national flag. They’ve altered a thumbnail of the England flag to mimic the 66 training strip. That’s it.
The England flag is exactly how’s it’s been for years. No-one has changed it one iota.
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Which part of the 66 training strip was purple?
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Google it.
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I did, I don't see any purple. Point it out to me.
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
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Once again, they have in no way altered our national flag. They’ve altered a thumbnail of the England flag to mimic the 66 training strip. That’s it.
The England flag is exactly how’s it’s been for years. No-one has changed it one iota.
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Which part of the 66 training strip was purple?
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Google it.
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I did, I don't see any purple. Point it out to me.
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It’s right there on the cuff. Don’t you get embarrassed?
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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I don’t care. It’s a populist stance, but what I will say is that anyone outraged by this is a weak person
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You didn't answer the question
Is Kier Starmer a Right wing Gammon for objecting to this?
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I’ll oblige. Keir Stamer is very clearly right leaning of centre. He is just jumping on the bandwagon to gain populace with middle England.
THEY'VE CHANGED OUR NATIONAL FLAG!
They really haven’t
BUT THE DAILY MAIL SAID
Yeah, so they haven’t
BUT…
They just haven’t. Calm down.
I think the above covers it.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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I did, I don't see any purple. Point it out to me.
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It’s right there on the cuff. Don’t you get embarrassed?
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https://content.easyliveauction.com/auctions/images_lots/1C72F36708918955CA355177AEABBDEB_sta02/1100170901.JPG
Don't you?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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That may have changed in our current era, and I imagine a lot of Welsh / Scottish / Irish people have a different perspective on this, but...
One of the healthier strands in our national self-identity has been an ability to interact with a certain irony or playfulness with our Britishness/Englishness, to feel that it doesn't weigh us down too much. When I go to countries where the flag is everywhere and where everyone is expected to treat it with po-faced reverence (the USA is quite similar to Putin's Russia in that respect), I find that quite oppressive. It's something I've always valued about my country that it has the self-confidence to not take itself too seriously, to do things with a light touch. I suppose the differing sensibilities about this England kit reflect differing political-cultural sensibilities. If you generally like England, like its cultural innovativeness and capacity for reinvention, you're probably not going to be upset about referencing another colour associated with England football in a design feature that references the flag. If you feel your sense of national identity is besieged by the forces of cultural/societal change, then this may feel like a big deal.
As for RDD's specific examples:
- the USA (despite its cult of flag) regularly does use stylised versions that reference the flag while changing colours etc. See the 1994 USMNT shirt for instance.
- Ireland: with a tricolour design it's hard to change the colours without it being unrecognisable. That design option isn't really available. Therefore designers are more likely to take those colours and use them in different patterns.
- Gaza is currently experiencing what I would describe as a genocidal assault. You'd therefore expect that a Palestinian's cultural sensibilities about their identity would naturally be quite different from someone from England. I'd suggest that an English institution playing around with a national symbol has quite a different import than a Palestinian one doing the same.
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I think that's a fair summing up.
From my perspective I have the Ddraig Goch hanging up in a few places simply because I like the flag and I feel that I'm still having to overtly display that I'm Welsh rather than British.
The St George's flag doesn't offend me at all. If any flag does offend it's the Union Jack simply because we're not represented on it!
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posted on 22/3/24
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9782677/Hannity-condemns-U-S-Olympic-Committees-proposal-redesign-flag-logo.html
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Team USA are literally proposing to change the stars and stripes. Thoughts?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How has that gone down?
posted on 22/3/24
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
Whereas the outbreak of emotional incontinence from people who find it unacceptable is quite telling about how the extent to which our right-wing discourse has decided to focus on meaningless symbolism as an alternative to material reality.
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People's parents/grandparents fought wars where George Crosses were awarded for bravery.
There are Countries on the planet which dictators threaten the World with nukes. Not sure why you or anyone else are getting so outraged about people who don't like a colour change of a flag. Calling people like Kier Starmer right wing for it.
posted on 22/3/24
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 42 seconds ago
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
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It should be Basil Fawlty man handling Manuel with a speech bubble saying “now that’s how a German would do it”
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
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Kier Starmer is a Gammon?
posted on 22/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
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Once again, they have in no way altered our national flag. They’ve altered a thumbnail of the England flag to mimic the 66 training strip. That’s it.
The England flag is exactly how’s it’s been for years. No-one has changed it one iota.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
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Kier Starmer is a Gammon?
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Hi Clapfree
How angry are you about this on a scale of 1000 to 10000?
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
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Kier Starmer is a Gammon?
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Hi Clapfree
How angry are you about this on a scale of 1000 to 10000?
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You didn't answer the question
Is Kier Starmer a Right wing Gammon for objecting to this?
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
We should just have a picture of gammon on the collar and have done with it
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Kier Starmer is a Gammon?
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Hi Clapfree
How angry are you about this on a scale of 1000 to 10000?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You didn't answer the question
Is Kier Starmer a Right wing Gammon for objecting to this?
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I don’t care. It’s a populist stance, but what I will say is that anyone outraged by this is a weak person
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
So at best you’re making a stupidly simplistic point, which doesn’t really serve to progress the debate.
As I said, a much more interesting line of debate would be using non-controversial traditions which have changed.
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The OP was based on a single argument - "it's traditional; therefore it shouldn't be changed" - and I was challenging that premise. I'd agree that the point I was making was simple, but I was directly engaging with the terms of the contention the OP had put forward.
As to your preference for alternative examples, I suppose that's down to sensibilities. I wasn't setting out to opine about how cultural traditions and symbols evolve, just to challenge the OP that an appeal to tradition isn't enough, that if he wants to show that this is a travesty, then the argument needs to do more than appeal to tradition.
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We should debate how traditions and symbols evolve, that would be much more interesting and a lot less crass than bringing up FGM and the killing of children!
Tradition is a tough one for people to articulate as to why it is important to them. I suppose that for some people this is a symbol of the history of our country and with that comes memories, events, achievements, pride etc and when these things change, those feelings dissipate and new memories need to be made.
Some people just don’t like change for change’s sake.
Again, we do also have to apply recent context. There has been an undeniable backlash against this country’s history, flags, historical figures. All bundled together this is why you see reactions and more notably overreactions, no doubt Tommy Robinson will go on a march and get arrested again.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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I don’t care. It’s a populist stance, but what I will say is that anyone outraged by this is a weak person
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You didn't answer the question
Is Kier Starmer a Right wing Gammon for objecting to this?
posted on 22/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Willie Dyer (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 10 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9782677/Hannity-condemns-U-S-Olympic-Committees-proposal-redesign-flag-logo.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Team USA are literally proposing to change the stars and stripes. Thoughts?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How has that gone down?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pretty much the exact same monngos as yourself in America with the same reaction as you to a slight design change to make it look better on their kit. The colours on the flag, on that England kit, make it look better from a design point of view, on that particular strip. Same with using fewer but larger stars on the US flag, from a design point of view. But your brain is made of seaweed so you don't understand these types of things.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
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Once again, they have in no way altered our national flag. They’ve altered a thumbnail of the England flag to mimic the 66 training strip. That’s it.
The England flag is exactly how’s it’s been for years. No-one has changed it one iota.
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Which part of the 66 training strip was purple?
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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I don’t care. It’s a populist stance, but what I will say is that anyone outraged by this is a weak person
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You didn't answer the question
Is Kier Starmer a Right wing Gammon for objecting to this?
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What? At no point have I intimated that at all? You’re a genuinely stupid person who’s reaching. Shut the fvck up and have dome self respect. Thanks in advance.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 7 minutes ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
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https://as1.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/02/20/64/72/1000_F_220647219_ImYxLJetsDXyeQM8nHkhVhNgvTzUpCEx.jpg
I'm not offended by this in the least.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once again, they have in no way altered our national flag. They’ve altered a thumbnail of the England flag to mimic the 66 training strip. That’s it.
The England flag is exactly how’s it’s been for years. No-one has changed it one iota.
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Which part of the 66 training strip was purple?
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Google it.
posted on 22/3/24
* define 'flag'
* define 'england'
* define 'change'
Then:
* define 'stupidity'
I'll give a you a head start on the latter
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/stupidity
Alternatively, just:
a] grow up, or
b] gain a better life/education, or simply
c] fook off
posted on 22/3/24
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
That may have changed in our current era, and I imagine a lot of Welsh / Scottish / Irish people have a different perspective on this, but...
One of the healthier strands in our national self-identity has been an ability to interact with a certain irony or playfulness with our Britishness/Englishness, to feel that it doesn't weigh us down too much. When I go to countries where the flag is everywhere and where everyone is expected to treat it with po-faced reverence (the USA is quite similar to Putin's Russia in that respect), I find that quite oppressive. It's something I've always valued about my country that it has the self-confidence to not take itself too seriously, to do things with a light touch. I suppose the differing sensibilities about this England kit reflect differing political-cultural sensibilities. If you generally like England, like its cultural innovativeness and capacity for reinvention, you're probably not going to be upset about referencing another colour associated with England football in a design feature that references the flag. If you feel your sense of national identity is besieged by the forces of cultural/societal change, then this may feel like a big deal.
As for RDD's specific examples:
- the USA (despite its cult of flag) regularly does use stylised versions that reference the flag while changing colours etc. See the 1994 USMNT shirt for instance.
- Ireland: with a tricolour design it's hard to change the colours without it being unrecognisable. That design option isn't really available. Therefore designers are more likely to take those colours and use them in different patterns.
- Gaza is currently experiencing what I would describe as a genocidal assault. You'd therefore expect that a Palestinian's cultural sensibilities about their identity would naturally be quite different from someone from England. I'd suggest that an English institution playing around with a national symbol has quite a different import than a Palestinian one doing the same.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once again, they have in no way altered our national flag. They’ve altered a thumbnail of the England flag to mimic the 66 training strip. That’s it.
The England flag is exactly how’s it’s been for years. No-one has changed it one iota.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which part of the 66 training strip was purple?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Google it.
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I did, I don't see any purple. Point it out to me.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's be honest, most patriotic people would be offended if their national flag was altered. Its just the English who aren't allowed to be upset.
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Once again, they have in no way altered our national flag. They’ve altered a thumbnail of the England flag to mimic the 66 training strip. That’s it.
The England flag is exactly how’s it’s been for years. No-one has changed it one iota.
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Which part of the 66 training strip was purple?
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Google it.
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I did, I don't see any purple. Point it out to me.
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It’s right there on the cuff. Don’t you get embarrassed?
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Old_Evertonian (U23158)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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I don’t care. It’s a populist stance, but what I will say is that anyone outraged by this is a weak person
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You didn't answer the question
Is Kier Starmer a Right wing Gammon for objecting to this?
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I’ll oblige. Keir Stamer is very clearly right leaning of centre. He is just jumping on the bandwagon to gain populace with middle England.
posted on 22/3/24
THEY'VE CHANGED OUR NATIONAL FLAG!
They really haven’t
BUT THE DAILY MAIL SAID
Yeah, so they haven’t
BUT…
They just haven’t. Calm down.
I think the above covers it.
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
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I did, I don't see any purple. Point it out to me.
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It’s right there on the cuff. Don’t you get embarrassed?
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Don't you?
posted on 22/3/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
Imagine tthe reaction to Nike tinkering with the Stars and Stripes, Irish Tricolore, Palestinian flag.
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That may have changed in our current era, and I imagine a lot of Welsh / Scottish / Irish people have a different perspective on this, but...
One of the healthier strands in our national self-identity has been an ability to interact with a certain irony or playfulness with our Britishness/Englishness, to feel that it doesn't weigh us down too much. When I go to countries where the flag is everywhere and where everyone is expected to treat it with po-faced reverence (the USA is quite similar to Putin's Russia in that respect), I find that quite oppressive. It's something I've always valued about my country that it has the self-confidence to not take itself too seriously, to do things with a light touch. I suppose the differing sensibilities about this England kit reflect differing political-cultural sensibilities. If you generally like England, like its cultural innovativeness and capacity for reinvention, you're probably not going to be upset about referencing another colour associated with England football in a design feature that references the flag. If you feel your sense of national identity is besieged by the forces of cultural/societal change, then this may feel like a big deal.
As for RDD's specific examples:
- the USA (despite its cult of flag) regularly does use stylised versions that reference the flag while changing colours etc. See the 1994 USMNT shirt for instance.
- Ireland: with a tricolour design it's hard to change the colours without it being unrecognisable. That design option isn't really available. Therefore designers are more likely to take those colours and use them in different patterns.
- Gaza is currently experiencing what I would describe as a genocidal assault. You'd therefore expect that a Palestinian's cultural sensibilities about their identity would naturally be quite different from someone from England. I'd suggest that an English institution playing around with a national symbol has quite a different import than a Palestinian one doing the same.
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I think that's a fair summing up.
From my perspective I have the Ddraig Goch hanging up in a few places simply because I like the flag and I feel that I'm still having to overtly display that I'm Welsh rather than British.
The St George's flag doesn't offend me at all. If any flag does offend it's the Union Jack simply because we're not represented on it!
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