Mcgregor coming on killed us, Bernardo was the change

just to be clear if thats a penalty does that mean that everytime a player wins the ball but knocks over the man thats a free kick?

is that what we are saying aye?

The art of tackling and winning a duel in your own penalty area is almost dead.

How are you supposed to prevent an opponent from scoring in the penalty area without committing a "foul". It's a fvcking nonsense. These days you have to wait for your opponent to shoot and hope to block it rather than being proactive and clearing the ball ahead of a shot. By initiating first contact on the ball, inevitably there will be "contact" however minimal with your opponent. Then it's in the lap of the gods.

comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 13 seconds ago
just to be clear if thats a penalty does that mean that everytime a player wins the ball but knocks over the man thats a free kick?

is that what we are saying aye?
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Nope

If the challenge is reckless it doesn't matter if to catch the ball. Was a kick to the knee, that's pretty reckless.

Also he doesn't disposses Silva or gain control of ball. If there is no contact with Silva then Silva still has control of the ball.

Those I imagine we're the factors that lead it to being a foul and a penalty.

Not dissimilar to the foul that results in Dessers goal being disallowed.

i guarantee there were tackles outside the box yesterday which also took the man which were given as a play on.

Not dissimilar to the foul that results in Dessers goal being disallowed.
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i mean apart form the fairly obvious difference between the 2 tackles?

comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
i guarantee there were tackles outside the box yesterday which also took the man which were given as a play on.


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Probably, but var doesn't check them because there was no goal or potential penalty.

It's usually the sort of thing we praise refs for letting go. When it comes to key decisions like a goal or pen they will just go with the rules

if they are fouls then they should be given as such no?

its never a foul man, this is a tribalism penalty shout tbh, flip the switch and attitudes change.

comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 40 seconds ago
if they are fouls then they should be given as such no?

its never a foul man, this is a tribalism penalty shout tbh, flip the switch and attitudes change.
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The issue appears to be that there’s contact in the AJ challenge and the foul on Iwata. The difference is in the force used. It was a clear foul on Iwata with the force that was used-AJ having contact with Silva’s right knee seemed to cause his left leg to decide not to continue making contact with the ground.

There’s little similarity in the challenges. AJ didn’t ‘foul’ Silva. He didn’t impede his progress. Silva deciding to fall when he felt contact was the issue.

Ref watch verdict is in. 100% penalty.

comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 40 seconds ago
if they are fouls then they should be given as such no?

its never a foul man, this is a tribalism penalty shout tbh, flip the switch and attitudes change.
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The issue appears to be that there’s contact in the AJ challenge and the foul on Iwata. The difference is in the force used. It was a clear foul on Iwata with the force that was used-AJ having contact with Silva’s right knee seemed to cause his left leg to decide not to continue making contact with the ground.

There’s little similarity in the challenges. AJ didn’t ‘foul’ Silva. He didn’t impede his progress. Silva deciding to fall when he felt contact was the issue.
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He kicked his knee, how does that not impede him?

I agree Silva was rolling about a lot but that one wasn't a dive.

exactly if it was Sterling on Kyogo the Rangers fans don't think it's a penalty

The Rangers pen shouldn't have been given. And the disallowed goal shouldn't have even been in the net, Beaton was right next to Iwata being fouled. VAR got it right.

Beaton in biased. Oh, for the avoidance of doubt, he definitely is a Rangers fan.

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 2 minutes ago
exactly if it was Sterling on Kyogo the Rangers fans don't think it's a penalty
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What incident was that?

comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 13 seconds ago
just to be clear if thats a penalty does that mean that everytime a player wins the ball but knocks over the man thats a free kick?

is that what we are saying aye?
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Nope

If the challenge is reckless it doesn't matter if to catch the ball. Was a kick to the knee, that's pretty reckless.

Also he doesn't disposses Silva or gain control of ball. If there is no contact with Silva then Silva still has control of the ball.

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Exactly this.

No surprise ref watch say it is 100% a penalty.

Only in Scotland would this decision be talked about.

JFK said it's a tribalism penalty shout, if it goes against you, you don't think it's a penalty

Only in Scotland would this decision be talked about.

did you see Arsenals penalty on Saturday night? It's been debated and it was quite similar

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 27 seconds ago
JFK said it's a tribalism penalty shout, if it goes against you, you don't think it's a penalty


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There's a bit of that. It's a sore one if it goes against you "I've seen them given, but" is what I'd be saying. If it's for you though it's just straight forward pen. So probably not quite 50/50 but I get the point.

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 2 minutes ago
Only in Scotland would this decision be talked about.

did you see Arsenals penalty on Saturday night? It's been debated and it was quite similar
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Was it given?

kyogo last week, fouled, player doesn't take the ball.

no penalty.

this week johnston takes ball, penalty.

The subs were key.

Clement got them right and Rodgers got them wrong.

Was it given?

yes but it was debated

https://twitter.com/ScotlandSky/status/1777292491386986547

So the only controversial decision is the decision to disallow the Rangers goal

My honest opinion it’s a penalty, but Silva is a horrible player and a cheat in general it won’t help him going forward, on the OP said it before and will say it again whilst BR is managing Celtic only Celtic will win the league

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum... (U14864)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 13 seconds ago
just to be clear if thats a penalty does that mean that everytime a player wins the ball but knocks over the man thats a free kick?

is that what we are saying aye?
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Nope

If the challenge is reckless it doesn't matter if to catch the ball. Was a kick to the knee, that's pretty reckless.

Also he doesn't disposses Silva or gain control of ball. If there is no contact with Silva then Silva still has control of the ball.

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Exactly this.

No surprise ref watch say it is 100% a penalty.

Only in Scotland would this decision be talked about.
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Reckless Kicking! 🤣 Why stop there? Brutal assault? Attempted murder?

A falling defender (in mid air) stupidly left a dangling leg in and allowed Silva to take advantage of contact.

If you are quoting Ref Watch they clearly stated it wasn’t “Reckless”