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‘ Yes a decision would be made on how much contact was made with the player.
In this case the ref (and every other ref and pundit except Stewart and Sutton) say yes enough contact was made with the player.’
Define ‘force’ without using the word ‘force’. See above.
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Because they look at level of contact not force perhaps?
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So, we’re now saying it’s where he made contact? The contact on his right knee?? How did the contact on his right knee cause his left leg (where there’s no contact at all from either himself or AJ) cause him to go to ground and stop him from running?
We’re doing some mental gymnastics here now in addition to the hyperbole.
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I think you are doing some mental gymnastics.
I didn't say it was where the contact is made, that's certainly part of it but not all, it's mainly does it impede him. I clearly don't get what you're trying to say tbh and you've lost me a bit with your interpretation of what Silva's legs are doing. Nobody knows the answer to that other than Silva and Johnstone.
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comment by JFK (U8919)
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well clement thinks they won yesterday so less said about that lunatic the better.
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I'd actually very much like to talk more about Philippe Clement.
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He is a mad big baldy Belgian bass but he's our mbbbb
Given the position we were in when he took over he has done a remarkable job.
Not just the points gap at the time but the squad was a binfire and if anything we were lucky the gap wasn't bigger at that point
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Only in Scotland would this decision be talked about.
did you see Arsenals penalty on Saturday night? It's been debated and it was quite similar
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So, not just Scottish refs then. when will people realize this is the rules that refs are instructed to follow. Take your beef up with Fifa or Uefa.
So many blinkered guys on here
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comment by JFK (U8919)
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well clement thinks they won yesterday so less said about that lunatic the better.
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I'd actually very much like to talk more about Philippe Clement.
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He is a mad big baldy Belgian bass but he's our mbbbb
Given the position we were in when he took over he has done a remarkable job.
Not just the points gap at the time but the squad was a binfire and if anything we were lucky the gap wasn't bigger at that point
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Agree. I'll go as far as to say if we end up winning the league it would be the most impressive achievement of any Rangers manager, possibly OF manager, in my lifetime.
There are lots of examples of brilliant achievements of overhauling and rebuilding a poor team and winning a league in the first full season (O'Neill, Postecoglou, McLeish) but I can't think of anyone who came in 7 points behind in October with no money, no pre season and basically just had to get on with the shambles that was there and ended up winning the league - particularly when up against a stronger team who have had the ascendancy for a few years.
Would be an incredible achievement.
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‘ Yes a decision would be made on how much contact was made with the player.
In this case the ref (and every other ref and pundit except Stewart and Sutton) say yes enough contact was made with the player.’
Define ‘force’ without using the word ‘force’. See above.
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Because they look at level of contact not force perhaps?
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So, we’re now saying it’s where he made contact? The contact on his right knee?? How did the contact on his right knee cause his left leg (where there’s no contact at all from either himself or AJ) cause him to go to ground and stop him from running?
We’re doing some mental gymnastics here now in addition to the hyperbole.
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I think you are doing some mental gymnastics.
I didn't say it was where the contact is made, that's certainly part of it but not all, it's mainly does it impede him. I clearly don't get what you're trying to say tbh and you've lost me a bit with your interpretation of what Silva's legs are doing. Nobody knows the answer to that other than Silva and Johnstone.
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Define ‘level of contact’ then, because either you mean where it was (what level of the body was contact made), or you mean how high was the level of contact, which is the force applied.
As for the other bit-if I am in contact with your right knee and only your right knee-why would that cause your left leg to fold from under you and stop your left foot from making contact with the ground? I can’t see how I can make it any simpler than the other ways I’ve already described it. I can’t see how AJ would know, as he’s on the ground facing the other way. If you’re trying to suggest that there was enough force/power/level of contact with Silva’s right knee to cause his left leg to do what it did, then I would really worry about Silva’s health going forward.
Scott Wright wasn't even close to being one of the worst players for us in the first half but he's still nowhere near good enough and given the issue Tavernier has with Maeda I would be looking at having Sterling RB away to Celtic with Tavernier up one.
He could terrorise Taylor if he wasn't being terrorised by Maeda.
Obviously having Sima back and Matondo doing his best to force his way into the team over recent weeks it's not necessary in the other fixtures.
i mind a tackle by kennedy in the nou camp on ronaldinho, takes ball but player goes down, it was rightly praised as a great tackle.
making out it was like clint hills on griffiths.
which astoundingly, wasnt a penalty.
Also no wonder the Tims are always shouting conspiracy when they see a stone wall penalty given against them and think they've been wronged.
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Also no wonder the Tims are always shouting conspiracy when they see a stone wall penalty given against them and think they've been wronged.
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Both pens yesterday were stonewall in the modern interpretation
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Scott Wright wasn't even close to being one of the worst players for us in the first half but he's still nowhere near good enough and given the issue Tavernier has with Maeda I would be looking at having Sterling RB away to Celtic with Tavernier up one.
He could terrorise Taylor if he wasn't being terrorised by Maeda.
Obviously having Sima back and Matondo doing his best to force his way into the team over recent weeks it's not necessary in the other fixtures.
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I don't think we will see Tav move position but can foresee in the next one Sterling starting in the wide right position. The big man is a machine and would basically give us a player in 3 positions as he could tuck in to midfield to make a 4 on the right side and drop back to let Tav overlap as well as playing his starting role.
I think he would have started there yesterday if Ridvan was fit
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‘ Yes a decision would be made on how much contact was made with the player.
In this case the ref (and every other ref and pundit except Stewart and Sutton) say yes enough contact was made with the player.’
Define ‘force’ without using the word ‘force’. See above.
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Because they look at level of contact not force perhaps?
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So, we’re now saying it’s where he made contact? The contact on his right knee?? How did the contact on his right knee cause his left leg (where there’s no contact at all from either himself or AJ) cause him to go to ground and stop him from running?
We’re doing some mental gymnastics here now in addition to the hyperbole.
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I think you are doing some mental gymnastics.
I didn't say it was where the contact is made, that's certainly part of it but not all, it's mainly does it impede him. I clearly don't get what you're trying to say tbh and you've lost me a bit with your interpretation of what Silva's legs are doing. Nobody knows the answer to that other than Silva and Johnstone.
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Define ‘level of contact’ then, because either you mean where it was (what level of the body was contact made), or you mean how high was the level of contact, which is the force applied.
As for the other bit-if I am in contact with your right knee and only your right knee-why would that cause your left leg to fold from under you and stop your left foot from making contact with the ground? I can’t see how I can make it any simpler than the other ways I’ve already described it. I can’t see how AJ would know, as he’s on the ground facing the other way. If you’re trying to suggest that there was enough force/power/level of contact with Silva’s right knee to cause his left leg to do what it did, then I would really worry about Silva’s health going forward.
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Or all factors not just one, you seem to be saying it can only be X. When it could infact be a combination of x,y or z.
Also ask Silva if your so bothered, again could be multiple things. Unbalanced, trying to avoid the boot, could absolutely also be making sure he gets the foul. Or again a combination of all 3.
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 8 minutes ago
i mind a tackle by kennedy in the nou camp on ronaldinho, takes ball but player goes down, it was rightly praised as a great tackle.
making out it was like clint hills on griffiths.
which astoundingly, wasnt a penalty.
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Kennedy? How long ago are you talking?
Let's just go back to Stuart McCall. I loved him and the guy could slide tackle someone from halfway across the pitch.
He is a red every game these days.
You do get that rules have changed in the past 5/10/20 years
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
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Scott Wright wasn't even close to being one of the worst players for us in the first half but he's still nowhere near good enough and given the issue Tavernier has with Maeda I would be looking at having Sterling RB away to Celtic with Tavernier up one.
He could terrorise Taylor if he wasn't being terrorised by Maeda.
Obviously having Sima back and Matondo doing his best to force his way into the team over recent weeks it's not necessary in the other fixtures.
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I don't think we will see Tav move position but can foresee in the next one Sterling starting in the wide right position. The big man is a machine and would basically give us a player in 3 positions as he could tuck in to midfield to make a 4 on the right side and drop back to let Tav overlap as well as playing his starting role.
I think he would have started there yesterday if Ridvan was fit
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Definitely more likely and will effectively be able to become the RB when Tav goes forward.
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comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 8 minutes ago
i mind a tackle by kennedy in the nou camp on ronaldinho, takes ball but player goes down, it was rightly praised as a great tackle.
making out it was like clint hills on griffiths.
which astoundingly, wasnt a penalty.
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Kennedy? How long ago are you talking?
Let's just go back to Stuart McCall. I loved him and the guy could slide tackle someone from halfway across the pitch.
He is a red every game these days.
You do get that rules have changed in the past 5/10/20 years
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Actually think McCall less so, he generally got his timing right.
Ian Ferguson on the other hand...
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
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Scott Wright wasn't even close to being one of the worst players for us in the first half but he's still nowhere near good enough and given the issue Tavernier has with Maeda I would be looking at having Sterling RB away to Celtic with Tavernier up one.
He could terrorise Taylor if he wasn't being terrorised by Maeda.
Obviously having Sima back and Matondo doing his best to force his way into the team over recent weeks it's not necessary in the other fixtures.
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I don't think we will see Tav move position but can foresee in the next one Sterling starting in the wide right position. The big man is a machine and would basically give us a player in 3 positions as he could tuck in to midfield to make a 4 on the right side and drop back to let Tav overlap as well as playing his starting role.
I think he would have started there yesterday if Ridvan was fit
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Yeah exactly sterling Infront not in place of.
Or you know we could maybe drill in training how to deal with a long ball down the middle. Controversial option but it might just help.
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comment by Gersmid (U22273)
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scott Wright wasn't even close to being one of the worst players for us in the first half but he's still nowhere near good enough and given the issue Tavernier has with Maeda I would be looking at having Sterling RB away to Celtic with Tavernier up one.
He could terrorise Taylor if he wasn't being terrorised by Maeda.
Obviously having Sima back and Matondo doing his best to force his way into the team over recent weeks it's not necessary in the other fixtures.
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I don't think we will see Tav move position but can foresee in the next one Sterling starting in the wide right position. The big man is a machine and would basically give us a player in 3 positions as he could tuck in to midfield to make a 4 on the right side and drop back to let Tav overlap as well as playing his starting role.
I think he would have started there yesterday if Ridvan was fit
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Yeah exactly sterling Infront not in place of.
Or you know we could maybe drill in training how to deal with a long ball down the middle. Controversial option but it might just help.
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Agree but difficult one to train. Clement wants us to press and play high up the pitch but we don't have the pace in the backline to manage transitions. Goldson in particular looks terrified of the ball going in behind and getting in a foot race. A centre back with pace in the summer is a must.
Which is why I would always pick Balogun in these games.
Souttar and Goldson are too similar.
‘ Or all factors not just one, you seem to be saying it can only be X. When it could infact be a combination of x,y or z.
Also ask Silva if you’re so bothered, again could be multiple things. Unbalanced, trying to avoid the boot, could absolutely also be making sure he gets the foul. Or again a combination of all 3.’
We’re talking about a specific incident. What do you think were or could be the combination of factors, and what do you think would make your left leg do what his did?
If you think that the ‘level of contact’ was sufficient for a foul and a penalty, then that’s fine. I’ll disagree. If you’ve got any plausible reason why Silva ended up diving the way he did, then say it.
I think he felt minimal contact and dived, and I think the contact was insufficient to have caused him to fall the way he did, and for it to be a penalty. I’d take it if it happened the other way, but I’d be big enough to say I didn’t think it was a penalty.
JFK has already pointed out the tribalism, and folk should be confident enough to just say similar to what I’ve said above, rather than the obtuse lengths they’re going to justify it.
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Which is why I would always pick Balogun in these games.
Souttar and Goldson are too similar.
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Balogun on at that point in the game was a weird sub unless Goldson absolutely couldn't continue.
I do agree though I'd be more comfortable with him in these games but then he got a red in the last one for similar reasons. And going in to next season he's not the solution so need to invest in that area if there is any money available.
Given finances will be tight and we need a few players I'd keep Balogun another year and have him as the backup to the backup and try get some money for Davies given he's rated in the Championship.
Need a new starting CB and it could be ahead of either Goldson or Souttar for me, hopefully the scouting team have a gem somewhere.
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‘ Or all factors not just one, you seem to be saying it can only be X. When it could infact be a combination of x,y or z.
Also ask Silva if you’re so bothered, again could be multiple things. Unbalanced, trying to avoid the boot, could absolutely also be making sure he gets the foul. Or again a combination of all 3.’
We’re talking about a specific incident. What do you think were or could be the combination of factors, and what do you think would make your left leg do what his did?
If you think that the ‘level of contact’ was sufficient for a foul and a penalty, then that’s fine. I’ll disagree. If you’ve got any plausible reason why Silva ended up diving the way he did, then say it.
I think he felt minimal contact and dived, and I think the contact was insufficient to have caused him to fall the way he did, and for it to be a penalty. I’d take it if it happened the other way, but I’d be big enough to say I didn’t think it was a penalty.
JFK has already pointed out the tribalism, and folk should be confident enough to just say similar to what I’ve said above, rather than the obtuse lengths they’re going to justify it.
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obtuse lengths they’re going to justify it.
Erm read back your comments. I'm not the one going to obtuse lengths
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Given finances will be tight and we need a few players I'd keep Balogun another year and have him as the backup to the backup and try get some money for Davies given he's rated in the Championship.
Need a new starting CB and it could be ahead of either Goldson or Souttar for me, hopefully the scouting team have a gem somewhere.
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I wouldn't rush to move Goldson or Souttar on as think they have a part to play. But gone should be the days where Goldson is first name on the teamsheet and guaranteed starter for 60 games.
We also need to think about whether we are prepared to invest in King and if so give him plenty of games and allow him to develop and make mistakes along the way. But yes if we can move Davies on I think we could upgrade for similar money and less on wages given what he will be on. I'm not against keeping Balogun an extra year but we haven't been as ropey defensively for a while as we have since probably the break with the higher press. Motherwell and Hibs caused us loads of problems in transitions and Celtic took 3 off us without really ever really having sustained periods of pressure in the final third.
What obtuse lengths? I've been totally consistent talking about force, and when you and Smid have danced around being able to answer it, you've brought in some wild theories - such as 'there's no written rule' (of course there isn't - but if we're suggesting that a ref doesn't take that into account then that's either naive or a lie) and Silva believing that AJ has some kind of telescopic leg that meant Silva had to collapse his left leg to avoid any contact from a foot at the other side of his body.
Ffs man - if you can't answer tor don't want to then don't try and deflect. It's too obvious.
POV - there's no dancing around. Every referee who has commented on it has agreed and explained why its a pen. As has every neutral pundit. You have chosen not to accept it which is your right but at some point surely you have to ask why none of the experts agree with you?
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What obtuse lengths? I've been totally consistent talking about force, and when you and Smid have danced around being able to answer it, you've brought in some wild theories - such as 'there's no written rule' (of course there isn't - but if we're suggesting that a ref doesn't take that into account then that's either naive or a lie) and Silva believing that AJ has some kind of telescopic leg that meant Silva had to collapse his left leg to avoid any contact from a foot at the other side of his body.
Ffs man - if you can't answer tor don't want to then don't try and deflect. It's too obvious.
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I don't even know what you are asking at this point. Just leaping to weird interpretation after weird interpretation.
Let's go back to the start then.
Silva has wrong footed him. He contacts Silva's knee, enough to bring him down or impede him. The contact he makes with the ball is not enough to disposses Silva.
Straightforward penalty.
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‘ Yes a decision would be made on how much contact was made with the player.
In this case the ref (and every other ref and pundit except Stewart and Sutton) say yes enough contact was made with the player.’
Define ‘force’ without using the word ‘force’. See above.
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Because they look at level of contact not force perhaps?
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So, we’re now saying it’s where he made contact? The contact on his right knee?? How did the contact on his right knee cause his left leg (where there’s no contact at all from either himself or AJ) cause him to go to ground and stop him from running?
We’re doing some mental gymnastics here now in addition to the hyperbole.
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I think you are doing some mental gymnastics.
I didn't say it was where the contact is made, that's certainly part of it but not all, it's mainly does it impede him. I clearly don't get what you're trying to say tbh and you've lost me a bit with your interpretation of what Silva's legs are doing. Nobody knows the answer to that other than Silva and Johnstone.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 55 seconds ago
well clement thinks they won yesterday so less said about that lunatic the better.
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I'd actually very much like to talk more about Philippe Clement.
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He is a mad big baldy Belgian bass but he's our mbbbb
Given the position we were in when he took over he has done a remarkable job.
Not just the points gap at the time but the squad was a binfire and if anything we were lucky the gap wasn't bigger at that point
posted on 8/4/24
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Only in Scotland would this decision be talked about.
did you see Arsenals penalty on Saturday night? It's been debated and it was quite similar
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So, not just Scottish refs then. when will people realize this is the rules that refs are instructed to follow. Take your beef up with Fifa or Uefa.
So many blinkered guys on here
posted on 8/4/24
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 55 seconds ago
well clement thinks they won yesterday so less said about that lunatic the better.
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I'd actually very much like to talk more about Philippe Clement.
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He is a mad big baldy Belgian bass but he's our mbbbb
Given the position we were in when he took over he has done a remarkable job.
Not just the points gap at the time but the squad was a binfire and if anything we were lucky the gap wasn't bigger at that point
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Agree. I'll go as far as to say if we end up winning the league it would be the most impressive achievement of any Rangers manager, possibly OF manager, in my lifetime.
There are lots of examples of brilliant achievements of overhauling and rebuilding a poor team and winning a league in the first full season (O'Neill, Postecoglou, McLeish) but I can't think of anyone who came in 7 points behind in October with no money, no pre season and basically just had to get on with the shambles that was there and ended up winning the league - particularly when up against a stronger team who have had the ascendancy for a few years.
Would be an incredible achievement.
posted on 8/4/24
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posted 11 minutes ago
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comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 16 seconds ago
‘ Yes a decision would be made on how much contact was made with the player.
In this case the ref (and every other ref and pundit except Stewart and Sutton) say yes enough contact was made with the player.’
Define ‘force’ without using the word ‘force’. See above.
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Because they look at level of contact not force perhaps?
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So, we’re now saying it’s where he made contact? The contact on his right knee?? How did the contact on his right knee cause his left leg (where there’s no contact at all from either himself or AJ) cause him to go to ground and stop him from running?
We’re doing some mental gymnastics here now in addition to the hyperbole.
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I think you are doing some mental gymnastics.
I didn't say it was where the contact is made, that's certainly part of it but not all, it's mainly does it impede him. I clearly don't get what you're trying to say tbh and you've lost me a bit with your interpretation of what Silva's legs are doing. Nobody knows the answer to that other than Silva and Johnstone.
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Define ‘level of contact’ then, because either you mean where it was (what level of the body was contact made), or you mean how high was the level of contact, which is the force applied.
As for the other bit-if I am in contact with your right knee and only your right knee-why would that cause your left leg to fold from under you and stop your left foot from making contact with the ground? I can’t see how I can make it any simpler than the other ways I’ve already described it. I can’t see how AJ would know, as he’s on the ground facing the other way. If you’re trying to suggest that there was enough force/power/level of contact with Silva’s right knee to cause his left leg to do what it did, then I would really worry about Silva’s health going forward.
posted on 8/4/24
Scott Wright wasn't even close to being one of the worst players for us in the first half but he's still nowhere near good enough and given the issue Tavernier has with Maeda I would be looking at having Sterling RB away to Celtic with Tavernier up one.
He could terrorise Taylor if he wasn't being terrorised by Maeda.
Obviously having Sima back and Matondo doing his best to force his way into the team over recent weeks it's not necessary in the other fixtures.
posted on 8/4/24
i mind a tackle by kennedy in the nou camp on ronaldinho, takes ball but player goes down, it was rightly praised as a great tackle.
making out it was like clint hills on griffiths.
which astoundingly, wasnt a penalty.
posted on 8/4/24
Also no wonder the Tims are always shouting conspiracy when they see a stone wall penalty given against them and think they've been wronged.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
Also no wonder the Tims are always shouting conspiracy when they see a stone wall penalty given against them and think they've been wronged.
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Both pens yesterday were stonewall in the modern interpretation
posted on 8/4/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scott Wright wasn't even close to being one of the worst players for us in the first half but he's still nowhere near good enough and given the issue Tavernier has with Maeda I would be looking at having Sterling RB away to Celtic with Tavernier up one.
He could terrorise Taylor if he wasn't being terrorised by Maeda.
Obviously having Sima back and Matondo doing his best to force his way into the team over recent weeks it's not necessary in the other fixtures.
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I don't think we will see Tav move position but can foresee in the next one Sterling starting in the wide right position. The big man is a machine and would basically give us a player in 3 positions as he could tuck in to midfield to make a 4 on the right side and drop back to let Tav overlap as well as playing his starting role.
I think he would have started there yesterday if Ridvan was fit
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‘ Yes a decision would be made on how much contact was made with the player.
In this case the ref (and every other ref and pundit except Stewart and Sutton) say yes enough contact was made with the player.’
Define ‘force’ without using the word ‘force’. See above.
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Because they look at level of contact not force perhaps?
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So, we’re now saying it’s where he made contact? The contact on his right knee?? How did the contact on his right knee cause his left leg (where there’s no contact at all from either himself or AJ) cause him to go to ground and stop him from running?
We’re doing some mental gymnastics here now in addition to the hyperbole.
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I think you are doing some mental gymnastics.
I didn't say it was where the contact is made, that's certainly part of it but not all, it's mainly does it impede him. I clearly don't get what you're trying to say tbh and you've lost me a bit with your interpretation of what Silva's legs are doing. Nobody knows the answer to that other than Silva and Johnstone.
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Define ‘level of contact’ then, because either you mean where it was (what level of the body was contact made), or you mean how high was the level of contact, which is the force applied.
As for the other bit-if I am in contact with your right knee and only your right knee-why would that cause your left leg to fold from under you and stop your left foot from making contact with the ground? I can’t see how I can make it any simpler than the other ways I’ve already described it. I can’t see how AJ would know, as he’s on the ground facing the other way. If you’re trying to suggest that there was enough force/power/level of contact with Silva’s right knee to cause his left leg to do what it did, then I would really worry about Silva’s health going forward.
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Or all factors not just one, you seem to be saying it can only be X. When it could infact be a combination of x,y or z.
Also ask Silva if your so bothered, again could be multiple things. Unbalanced, trying to avoid the boot, could absolutely also be making sure he gets the foul. Or again a combination of all 3.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 8 minutes ago
i mind a tackle by kennedy in the nou camp on ronaldinho, takes ball but player goes down, it was rightly praised as a great tackle.
making out it was like clint hills on griffiths.
which astoundingly, wasnt a penalty.
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Kennedy? How long ago are you talking?
Let's just go back to Stuart McCall. I loved him and the guy could slide tackle someone from halfway across the pitch.
He is a red every game these days.
You do get that rules have changed in the past 5/10/20 years
posted on 8/4/24
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scott Wright wasn't even close to being one of the worst players for us in the first half but he's still nowhere near good enough and given the issue Tavernier has with Maeda I would be looking at having Sterling RB away to Celtic with Tavernier up one.
He could terrorise Taylor if he wasn't being terrorised by Maeda.
Obviously having Sima back and Matondo doing his best to force his way into the team over recent weeks it's not necessary in the other fixtures.
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I don't think we will see Tav move position but can foresee in the next one Sterling starting in the wide right position. The big man is a machine and would basically give us a player in 3 positions as he could tuck in to midfield to make a 4 on the right side and drop back to let Tav overlap as well as playing his starting role.
I think he would have started there yesterday if Ridvan was fit
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Definitely more likely and will effectively be able to become the RB when Tav goes forward.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by JFK (U8919)
posted 8 minutes ago
i mind a tackle by kennedy in the nou camp on ronaldinho, takes ball but player goes down, it was rightly praised as a great tackle.
making out it was like clint hills on griffiths.
which astoundingly, wasnt a penalty.
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Kennedy? How long ago are you talking?
Let's just go back to Stuart McCall. I loved him and the guy could slide tackle someone from halfway across the pitch.
He is a red every game these days.
You do get that rules have changed in the past 5/10/20 years
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Actually think McCall less so, he generally got his timing right.
Ian Ferguson on the other hand...
posted on 8/4/24
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scott Wright wasn't even close to being one of the worst players for us in the first half but he's still nowhere near good enough and given the issue Tavernier has with Maeda I would be looking at having Sterling RB away to Celtic with Tavernier up one.
He could terrorise Taylor if he wasn't being terrorised by Maeda.
Obviously having Sima back and Matondo doing his best to force his way into the team over recent weeks it's not necessary in the other fixtures.
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I don't think we will see Tav move position but can foresee in the next one Sterling starting in the wide right position. The big man is a machine and would basically give us a player in 3 positions as he could tuck in to midfield to make a 4 on the right side and drop back to let Tav overlap as well as playing his starting role.
I think he would have started there yesterday if Ridvan was fit
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Yeah exactly sterling Infront not in place of.
Or you know we could maybe drill in training how to deal with a long ball down the middle. Controversial option but it might just help.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by super phoenix rangers - comments on this forum are not mine but a fictionalised version loosely based on someone similar to me (U14864)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 minutes ago
Scott Wright wasn't even close to being one of the worst players for us in the first half but he's still nowhere near good enough and given the issue Tavernier has with Maeda I would be looking at having Sterling RB away to Celtic with Tavernier up one.
He could terrorise Taylor if he wasn't being terrorised by Maeda.
Obviously having Sima back and Matondo doing his best to force his way into the team over recent weeks it's not necessary in the other fixtures.
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I don't think we will see Tav move position but can foresee in the next one Sterling starting in the wide right position. The big man is a machine and would basically give us a player in 3 positions as he could tuck in to midfield to make a 4 on the right side and drop back to let Tav overlap as well as playing his starting role.
I think he would have started there yesterday if Ridvan was fit
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Yeah exactly sterling Infront not in place of.
Or you know we could maybe drill in training how to deal with a long ball down the middle. Controversial option but it might just help.
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Agree but difficult one to train. Clement wants us to press and play high up the pitch but we don't have the pace in the backline to manage transitions. Goldson in particular looks terrified of the ball going in behind and getting in a foot race. A centre back with pace in the summer is a must.
posted on 8/4/24
Which is why I would always pick Balogun in these games.
Souttar and Goldson are too similar.
posted on 8/4/24
‘ Or all factors not just one, you seem to be saying it can only be X. When it could infact be a combination of x,y or z.
Also ask Silva if you’re so bothered, again could be multiple things. Unbalanced, trying to avoid the boot, could absolutely also be making sure he gets the foul. Or again a combination of all 3.’
We’re talking about a specific incident. What do you think were or could be the combination of factors, and what do you think would make your left leg do what his did?
If you think that the ‘level of contact’ was sufficient for a foul and a penalty, then that’s fine. I’ll disagree. If you’ve got any plausible reason why Silva ended up diving the way he did, then say it.
I think he felt minimal contact and dived, and I think the contact was insufficient to have caused him to fall the way he did, and for it to be a penalty. I’d take it if it happened the other way, but I’d be big enough to say I didn’t think it was a penalty.
JFK has already pointed out the tribalism, and folk should be confident enough to just say similar to what I’ve said above, rather than the obtuse lengths they’re going to justify it.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 seconds ago
Which is why I would always pick Balogun in these games.
Souttar and Goldson are too similar.
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Balogun on at that point in the game was a weird sub unless Goldson absolutely couldn't continue.
I do agree though I'd be more comfortable with him in these games but then he got a red in the last one for similar reasons. And going in to next season he's not the solution so need to invest in that area if there is any money available.
posted on 8/4/24
Given finances will be tight and we need a few players I'd keep Balogun another year and have him as the backup to the backup and try get some money for Davies given he's rated in the Championship.
Need a new starting CB and it could be ahead of either Goldson or Souttar for me, hopefully the scouting team have a gem somewhere.
posted on 8/4/24
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 5 minutes ago
‘ Or all factors not just one, you seem to be saying it can only be X. When it could infact be a combination of x,y or z.
Also ask Silva if you’re so bothered, again could be multiple things. Unbalanced, trying to avoid the boot, could absolutely also be making sure he gets the foul. Or again a combination of all 3.’
We’re talking about a specific incident. What do you think were or could be the combination of factors, and what do you think would make your left leg do what his did?
If you think that the ‘level of contact’ was sufficient for a foul and a penalty, then that’s fine. I’ll disagree. If you’ve got any plausible reason why Silva ended up diving the way he did, then say it.
I think he felt minimal contact and dived, and I think the contact was insufficient to have caused him to fall the way he did, and for it to be a penalty. I’d take it if it happened the other way, but I’d be big enough to say I didn’t think it was a penalty.
JFK has already pointed out the tribalism, and folk should be confident enough to just say similar to what I’ve said above, rather than the obtuse lengths they’re going to justify it.
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obtuse lengths they’re going to justify it.
Erm read back your comments. I'm not the one going to obtuse lengths
posted on 8/4/24
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Given finances will be tight and we need a few players I'd keep Balogun another year and have him as the backup to the backup and try get some money for Davies given he's rated in the Championship.
Need a new starting CB and it could be ahead of either Goldson or Souttar for me, hopefully the scouting team have a gem somewhere.
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I wouldn't rush to move Goldson or Souttar on as think they have a part to play. But gone should be the days where Goldson is first name on the teamsheet and guaranteed starter for 60 games.
We also need to think about whether we are prepared to invest in King and if so give him plenty of games and allow him to develop and make mistakes along the way. But yes if we can move Davies on I think we could upgrade for similar money and less on wages given what he will be on. I'm not against keeping Balogun an extra year but we haven't been as ropey defensively for a while as we have since probably the break with the higher press. Motherwell and Hibs caused us loads of problems in transitions and Celtic took 3 off us without really ever really having sustained periods of pressure in the final third.
posted on 8/4/24
What obtuse lengths? I've been totally consistent talking about force, and when you and Smid have danced around being able to answer it, you've brought in some wild theories - such as 'there's no written rule' (of course there isn't - but if we're suggesting that a ref doesn't take that into account then that's either naive or a lie) and Silva believing that AJ has some kind of telescopic leg that meant Silva had to collapse his left leg to avoid any contact from a foot at the other side of his body.
Ffs man - if you can't answer tor don't want to then don't try and deflect. It's too obvious.
posted on 8/4/24
POV - there's no dancing around. Every referee who has commented on it has agreed and explained why its a pen. As has every neutral pundit. You have chosen not to accept it which is your right but at some point surely you have to ask why none of the experts agree with you?
posted on 8/4/24
comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
What obtuse lengths? I've been totally consistent talking about force, and when you and Smid have danced around being able to answer it, you've brought in some wild theories - such as 'there's no written rule' (of course there isn't - but if we're suggesting that a ref doesn't take that into account then that's either naive or a lie) and Silva believing that AJ has some kind of telescopic leg that meant Silva had to collapse his left leg to avoid any contact from a foot at the other side of his body.
Ffs man - if you can't answer tor don't want to then don't try and deflect. It's too obvious.
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I don't even know what you are asking at this point. Just leaping to weird interpretation after weird interpretation.
Let's go back to the start then.
Silva has wrong footed him. He contacts Silva's knee, enough to bring him down or impede him. The contact he makes with the ball is not enough to disposses Silva.
Straightforward penalty.
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