was just a video of the pitch there.... they only have covers on that actual sandy parts .... what good is that gonna do? the drainage is tertible, where do they think all the water around the covers is gonna be soaked up by and or sit on?! its a bloody farce. they sacked their groundsmen at the beginning of the season and didnt replace them.
Geo engineering of the weather is legit and controlled by the UK government. The right wing UK government are hardly going to be Celtic fans are they...
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just seen someone post a video from walking round the pitch. The pitch isn't even fully covered!
It looks waterlogged round the side of the pitch and if the rain continues up to kick off I can't see it going ahead. At the moment looks ok but with heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day I can't see how the pitch holds up without being covered.
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must have been the same video !
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just seen someone post a video from walking round the pitch. The pitch isn't even fully covered!
It looks waterlogged round the side of the pitch and if the rain continues up to kick off I can't see it going ahead. At the moment looks ok but with heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day I can't see how the pitch holds up without being covered.
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must have been the same video !
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Yeah I think so, was amazed when I saw it. Keep hearing Dundee are doing everything they can to get it on then see they have covered a tiny bit of the pitch on an afternoon with heavy rain forecast.
Its a shambles the league haven't drawn up a contingency and anticipated this with the weather forecast.
If Rangers fans don't like the consequences of man made climate change then maybe they should stop voting for the Tory party. No one but yourselves to blame here.
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just seen someone post a video from walking round the pitch. The pitch isn't even fully covered!
It looks waterlogged round the side of the pitch and if the rain continues up to kick off I can't see it going ahead. At the moment looks ok but with heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day I can't see how the pitch holds up without being covered.
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must have been the same video !
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Yeah I think so, was amazed when I saw it. Keep hearing Dundee are doing everything they can to get it on then see they have covered a tiny bit of the pitch on an afternoon with heavy rain forecast.
Its a shambles the league haven't drawn up a contingency and anticipated this with the weather forecast.
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they refuse to spend money on their facilities cos they are looking to move stadiums seems to be the reason floating about.
the fact that the SPFL dont have any standards or punishment put in place seems about right.
Players who played on it recently have all said its unfit for purpose.
to not have dedicated ground staff is unacceptable, even those with pastic pitches still have groundsmen
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just seen someone post a video from walking round the pitch. The pitch isn't even fully covered!
It looks waterlogged round the side of the pitch and if the rain continues up to kick off I can't see it going ahead. At the moment looks ok but with heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day I can't see how the pitch holds up without being covered.
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must have been the same video !
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Yeah I think so, was amazed when I saw it. Keep hearing Dundee are doing everything they can to get it on then see they have covered a tiny bit of the pitch on an afternoon with heavy rain forecast.
Its a shambles the league haven't drawn up a contingency and anticipated this with the weather forecast.
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See this is where I take umbridge a little bit
Why is it the responsibility of the SPFL to provide a contingency plan for Dundee continually not having their pitch in a playable condition?
Surely it's on Dundee, and if they are up to their eyeballs in debt, while neglecting their pitch, they should be made to suffer the consequences.
Years ago, Falkirks stadium wasn't up to the criteria needed for the top tier, and they were denied promotion because of it, despite a plan to ground share with Airdrie......yet now we are expecting the league to step in to save Dundee losing a few points coz their pitch isn't up to scratch?
can see how this is going to go, dundee 1-0 up, 88 minutes on the clock.
match abandoned.
they refuse to spend money on their facilities
—-
Maybe they’re struggling to?
That’s what happens when you pay your bills.
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 2 minutes ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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Who should your team be if you weren't a glory hunter?
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 14 seconds ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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or maybe it cos unlike every other club in the league they employ full time staff to look after the playing surface.
If Livi can budget for ground staff there is no excuse for Dundee not being able to do so.
Im sure I seen Dundee had the 5th biggest wage bill in Scotland at the beginning of the season.
if they had scaled that back a bit and didnt sack their long serving groundstaff there wouldnt be a problem
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 second ago
Im sure I seen Dundee had the 5th biggest wage bill in Scotland at the beginning of the season.
if they had scaled that back a bit and didnt sack their long serving groundstaff there wouldnt be a problem
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They have to make choices. And if the choice is between trying to improve the team to avoid relevation and take a chance with the ground then I know what I'd do.
Also their pitch has been a problem for a few years so it's unlikely the ground staff would have solved the problem.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 14 seconds ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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or maybe it cos unlike every other club in the league they employ full time staff to look after the playing surface.
If Livi can budget for ground staff there is no excuse for Dundee not being able to do so.
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Livi budgeted for a plastic pitch.
comment by Ryan Howley (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 2 minutes ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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Who should your team be if you weren't a glory hunter?
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Hamilton Accies
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 second ago
Im sure I seen Dundee had the 5th biggest wage bill in Scotland at the beginning of the season.
if they had scaled that back a bit and didnt sack their long serving groundstaff there wouldnt be a problem
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They have to make choices. And if the choice is between trying to improve the team to avoid relevation and take a chance with the ground then I know what I'd do.
Also their pitch has been a problem for a few years so it's unlikely the ground staff would have solved the problem.
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then the league should have rules in place that punish those taking a preference over paying more money to players that takes away from staff to look after the ground,,, just like every other top flight clubs manages to do.
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just seen someone post a video from walking round the pitch. The pitch isn't even fully covered!
It looks waterlogged round the side of the pitch and if the rain continues up to kick off I can't see it going ahead. At the moment looks ok but with heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day I can't see how the pitch holds up without being covered.
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must have been the same video !
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Yeah I think so, was amazed when I saw it. Keep hearing Dundee are doing everything they can to get it on then see they have covered a tiny bit of the pitch on an afternoon with heavy rain forecast.
Its a shambles the league haven't drawn up a contingency and anticipated this with the weather forecast.
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See this is where I take umbridge a little bit
Why is it the responsibility of the SPFL to provide a contingency plan for Dundee continually not having their pitch in a playable condition?
Surely it's on Dundee, and if they are up to their eyeballs in debt, while neglecting their pitch, they should be made to suffer the consequences.
Years ago, Falkirks stadium wasn't up to the criteria needed for the top tier, and they were denied promotion because of it, despite a plan to ground share with Airdrie......yet now we are expecting the league to step in to save Dundee losing a few points coz their pitch isn't up to scratch?
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Its up to the league to deal with it. Its obviously Dundee's responsibility to get the pitch on but if it isn't then the league need to apply a solution. That's either to allow a reschedule or to decide enough is enough and instruct the need to change venue or impose a punishment.
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted about a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 14 seconds ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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or maybe it cos unlike every other club in the league they employ full time staff to look after the playing surface.
If Livi can budget for ground staff there is no excuse for Dundee not being able to do so.
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Livi budgeted for a plastic pitch.
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they also employ ground staff for that plastic pitch, Dundee have no groundsman under their employment.
they have sacrificed the playing surface so they can pay more for players not cause they couldnt afford them.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted about a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 14 seconds ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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or maybe it cos unlike every other club in the league they employ full time staff to look after the playing surface.
If Livi can budget for ground staff there is no excuse for Dundee not being able to do so.
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Livi budgeted for a plastic pitch.
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they also employ ground staff for that plastic pitch, Dundee have no groundsman under their employment.
they have sacrificed the playing surface so they can pay more for players not cause they couldnt afford them.
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OK I'll leave you to it.
Nevertheless my point stands. These clubs are in financial difficulties and have to make choices.
Thankfully most of them have made choices that have avoided administration and liquidation even if they have inconvenienced Rangers fans a bit.
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 11 minutes ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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That's like saying the rest of the league are to blame for how Rangers spent their money
There are set rules that all clubs playing in these leagues must adhere to....Dundee aren't, and if they don't have the cash to look after their pitch because they have spent it elsewhere...that's on them, no-one else
Of course it's understandable that there will be occasional problems....1, 2, even 3 games being called.off due to bad weather, I can understand......4 games postponed already, they played Motherwell on a pitch that was likely substandard at any other time at the weekend, and now this today...this isn't an occasional problem, this is a club struggling to fulfil over 10% of it's fixtures
Stewart Kettlewell made a good point at the weekend. Dundee spent the money on their team at the expense of having the basic facilities to get games on. If every club did that it would be a shambles. Motherwell are going for top 6 and could miss out to Dundee by a point or two - what is the incentive for them next season to invest in their pitch instead of who plays on it?
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 55 seconds ago
Stewart Kettlewell made a good point at the weekend. Dundee spent the money on their team at the expense of having the basic facilities to get games on. If every club did that it would be a shambles. Motherwell are going for top 6 and could miss out to Dundee by a point or two - what is the incentive for them next season to invest in their pitch instead of who plays on it?
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yup the same valid point I made. I was surprised to see how high their player wage bill is.
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 11 minutes ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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That's like saying the rest of the league are to blame for how Rangers spent their money
There are set rules that all clubs playing in these leagues must adhere to....Dundee aren't, and if they don't have the cash to look after their pitch because they have spent it elsewhere...that's on them, no-one else
Of course it's understandable that there will be occasional problems....1, 2, even 3 games being called.off due to bad weather, I can understand......4 games postponed already, they played Motherwell on a pitch that was likely substandard at any other time at the weekend, and now this today...this isn't an occasional problem, this is a club struggling to fulfil over 10% of it's fixtures
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Don't disagree.
My point is simply that it was inevitable and will get worse. As for Motherwell..they're not a good team to quote as they did the exact same thing and had the worst pitch in the league for years.
At the end of the day, they are just picking up scraps and have to make difficult choices. I have some sympathy for them.
Club spends on players they couldn't otherwise afford.
WHen it goes tats up all the other clubs suffer.
We've been here before.
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posted on 10/4/24
was just a video of the pitch there.... they only have covers on that actual sandy parts .... what good is that gonna do? the drainage is tertible, where do they think all the water around the covers is gonna be soaked up by and or sit on?! its a bloody farce. they sacked their groundsmen at the beginning of the season and didnt replace them.
posted on 10/4/24
Geo engineering of the weather is legit and controlled by the UK government. The right wing UK government are hardly going to be Celtic fans are they...
posted on 10/4/24
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just seen someone post a video from walking round the pitch. The pitch isn't even fully covered!
It looks waterlogged round the side of the pitch and if the rain continues up to kick off I can't see it going ahead. At the moment looks ok but with heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day I can't see how the pitch holds up without being covered.
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must have been the same video !
posted on 10/4/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just seen someone post a video from walking round the pitch. The pitch isn't even fully covered!
It looks waterlogged round the side of the pitch and if the rain continues up to kick off I can't see it going ahead. At the moment looks ok but with heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day I can't see how the pitch holds up without being covered.
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must have been the same video !
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Yeah I think so, was amazed when I saw it. Keep hearing Dundee are doing everything they can to get it on then see they have covered a tiny bit of the pitch on an afternoon with heavy rain forecast.
Its a shambles the league haven't drawn up a contingency and anticipated this with the weather forecast.
posted on 10/4/24
If Rangers fans don't like the consequences of man made climate change then maybe they should stop voting for the Tory party. No one but yourselves to blame here.
posted on 10/4/24
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just seen someone post a video from walking round the pitch. The pitch isn't even fully covered!
It looks waterlogged round the side of the pitch and if the rain continues up to kick off I can't see it going ahead. At the moment looks ok but with heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day I can't see how the pitch holds up without being covered.
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must have been the same video !
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Yeah I think so, was amazed when I saw it. Keep hearing Dundee are doing everything they can to get it on then see they have covered a tiny bit of the pitch on an afternoon with heavy rain forecast.
Its a shambles the league haven't drawn up a contingency and anticipated this with the weather forecast.
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they refuse to spend money on their facilities cos they are looking to move stadiums seems to be the reason floating about.
the fact that the SPFL dont have any standards or punishment put in place seems about right.
Players who played on it recently have all said its unfit for purpose.
to not have dedicated ground staff is unacceptable, even those with pastic pitches still have groundsmen
posted on 10/4/24
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just seen someone post a video from walking round the pitch. The pitch isn't even fully covered!
It looks waterlogged round the side of the pitch and if the rain continues up to kick off I can't see it going ahead. At the moment looks ok but with heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day I can't see how the pitch holds up without being covered.
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must have been the same video !
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Yeah I think so, was amazed when I saw it. Keep hearing Dundee are doing everything they can to get it on then see they have covered a tiny bit of the pitch on an afternoon with heavy rain forecast.
Its a shambles the league haven't drawn up a contingency and anticipated this with the weather forecast.
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See this is where I take umbridge a little bit
Why is it the responsibility of the SPFL to provide a contingency plan for Dundee continually not having their pitch in a playable condition?
Surely it's on Dundee, and if they are up to their eyeballs in debt, while neglecting their pitch, they should be made to suffer the consequences.
Years ago, Falkirks stadium wasn't up to the criteria needed for the top tier, and they were denied promotion because of it, despite a plan to ground share with Airdrie......yet now we are expecting the league to step in to save Dundee losing a few points coz their pitch isn't up to scratch?
posted on 10/4/24
can see how this is going to go, dundee 1-0 up, 88 minutes on the clock.
match abandoned.
posted on 10/4/24
they refuse to spend money on their facilities
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Maybe they’re struggling to?
That’s what happens when you pay your bills.
posted on 10/4/24
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
posted on 10/4/24
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 2 minutes ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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Who should your team be if you weren't a glory hunter?
posted on 10/4/24
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 14 seconds ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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or maybe it cos unlike every other club in the league they employ full time staff to look after the playing surface.
If Livi can budget for ground staff there is no excuse for Dundee not being able to do so.
posted on 10/4/24
Im sure I seen Dundee had the 5th biggest wage bill in Scotland at the beginning of the season.
if they had scaled that back a bit and didnt sack their long serving groundstaff there wouldnt be a problem
posted on 10/4/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 second ago
Im sure I seen Dundee had the 5th biggest wage bill in Scotland at the beginning of the season.
if they had scaled that back a bit and didnt sack their long serving groundstaff there wouldnt be a problem
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They have to make choices. And if the choice is between trying to improve the team to avoid relevation and take a chance with the ground then I know what I'd do.
Also their pitch has been a problem for a few years so it's unlikely the ground staff would have solved the problem.
posted on 10/4/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 14 seconds ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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or maybe it cos unlike every other club in the league they employ full time staff to look after the playing surface.
If Livi can budget for ground staff there is no excuse for Dundee not being able to do so.
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Livi budgeted for a plastic pitch.
posted on 10/4/24
comment by Ryan Howley (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 2 minutes ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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Who should your team be if you weren't a glory hunter?
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Hamilton Accies
posted on 10/4/24
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 second ago
Im sure I seen Dundee had the 5th biggest wage bill in Scotland at the beginning of the season.
if they had scaled that back a bit and didnt sack their long serving groundstaff there wouldnt be a problem
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They have to make choices. And if the choice is between trying to improve the team to avoid relevation and take a chance with the ground then I know what I'd do.
Also their pitch has been a problem for a few years so it's unlikely the ground staff would have solved the problem.
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then the league should have rules in place that punish those taking a preference over paying more money to players that takes away from staff to look after the ground,,, just like every other top flight clubs manages to do.
posted on 10/4/24
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just seen someone post a video from walking round the pitch. The pitch isn't even fully covered!
It looks waterlogged round the side of the pitch and if the rain continues up to kick off I can't see it going ahead. At the moment looks ok but with heavy rain forecast for the rest of the day I can't see how the pitch holds up without being covered.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
must have been the same video !
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Yeah I think so, was amazed when I saw it. Keep hearing Dundee are doing everything they can to get it on then see they have covered a tiny bit of the pitch on an afternoon with heavy rain forecast.
Its a shambles the league haven't drawn up a contingency and anticipated this with the weather forecast.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
See this is where I take umbridge a little bit
Why is it the responsibility of the SPFL to provide a contingency plan for Dundee continually not having their pitch in a playable condition?
Surely it's on Dundee, and if they are up to their eyeballs in debt, while neglecting their pitch, they should be made to suffer the consequences.
Years ago, Falkirks stadium wasn't up to the criteria needed for the top tier, and they were denied promotion because of it, despite a plan to ground share with Airdrie......yet now we are expecting the league to step in to save Dundee losing a few points coz their pitch isn't up to scratch?
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Its up to the league to deal with it. Its obviously Dundee's responsibility to get the pitch on but if it isn't then the league need to apply a solution. That's either to allow a reschedule or to decide enough is enough and instruct the need to change venue or impose a punishment.
posted on 10/4/24
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted about a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 14 seconds ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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or maybe it cos unlike every other club in the league they employ full time staff to look after the playing surface.
If Livi can budget for ground staff there is no excuse for Dundee not being able to do so.
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Livi budgeted for a plastic pitch.
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they also employ ground staff for that plastic pitch, Dundee have no groundsman under their employment.
they have sacrificed the playing surface so they can pay more for players not cause they couldnt afford them.
posted on 10/4/24
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted about a minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 14 seconds ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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or maybe it cos unlike every other club in the league they employ full time staff to look after the playing surface.
If Livi can budget for ground staff there is no excuse for Dundee not being able to do so.
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Livi budgeted for a plastic pitch.
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they also employ ground staff for that plastic pitch, Dundee have no groundsman under their employment.
they have sacrificed the playing surface so they can pay more for players not cause they couldnt afford them.
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OK I'll leave you to it.
Nevertheless my point stands. These clubs are in financial difficulties and have to make choices.
Thankfully most of them have made choices that have avoided administration and liquidation even if they have inconvenienced Rangers fans a bit.
posted on 10/4/24
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 11 minutes ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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That's like saying the rest of the league are to blame for how Rangers spent their money
There are set rules that all clubs playing in these leagues must adhere to....Dundee aren't, and if they don't have the cash to look after their pitch because they have spent it elsewhere...that's on them, no-one else
Of course it's understandable that there will be occasional problems....1, 2, even 3 games being called.off due to bad weather, I can understand......4 games postponed already, they played Motherwell on a pitch that was likely substandard at any other time at the weekend, and now this today...this isn't an occasional problem, this is a club struggling to fulfil over 10% of it's fixtures
posted on 10/4/24
Stewart Kettlewell made a good point at the weekend. Dundee spent the money on their team at the expense of having the basic facilities to get games on. If every club did that it would be a shambles. Motherwell are going for top 6 and could miss out to Dundee by a point or two - what is the incentive for them next season to invest in their pitch instead of who plays on it?
posted on 10/4/24
comment by Gersmid (U22273)
posted 55 seconds ago
Stewart Kettlewell made a good point at the weekend. Dundee spent the money on their team at the expense of having the basic facilities to get games on. If every club did that it would be a shambles. Motherwell are going for top 6 and could miss out to Dundee by a point or two - what is the incentive for them next season to invest in their pitch instead of who plays on it?
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yup the same valid point I made. I was surprised to see how high their player wage bill is.
posted on 10/4/24
comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (3 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 11 minutes ago
If the pitch isn't playable then it isn't playable.
The clubs outside Celtic and Rangers in this country are playing against a loaded deck and we have to just accept that there will be occasional problems.
The root of the problem is the number of people (me included) who choose to go and watch one of the big two every week instead of watching their local club. That's often rooted in religious bigotry.
After Celtic and Rangers decided that they wanted to keep all their gate money, the slow decline of the rest of the clubs was inevitable.
All that has lead to the schitshow of a league we have now. No point Celtic and Rangers fans complaining about it now.
We caused it.
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That's like saying the rest of the league are to blame for how Rangers spent their money
There are set rules that all clubs playing in these leagues must adhere to....Dundee aren't, and if they don't have the cash to look after their pitch because they have spent it elsewhere...that's on them, no-one else
Of course it's understandable that there will be occasional problems....1, 2, even 3 games being called.off due to bad weather, I can understand......4 games postponed already, they played Motherwell on a pitch that was likely substandard at any other time at the weekend, and now this today...this isn't an occasional problem, this is a club struggling to fulfil over 10% of it's fixtures
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Don't disagree.
My point is simply that it was inevitable and will get worse. As for Motherwell..they're not a good team to quote as they did the exact same thing and had the worst pitch in the league for years.
At the end of the day, they are just picking up scraps and have to make difficult choices. I have some sympathy for them.
posted on 10/4/24
Club spends on players they couldn't otherwise afford.
WHen it goes tats up all the other clubs suffer.
We've been here before.
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