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posted on 17/7/24

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Because they’re not questioning their nationality based on their colour.

It’s not racist to suggest Italian people eat spaghetti dude.
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Their colour isn't mentioned in the song.

posted on 17/7/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - It dint come home (U21595)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 7 seconds ago

comment by The Spanish Italians - It dint come home (U21595)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ok, will need some education here...

how does this song differ from the other racist chants about other countries?

I mean,

English to the Swedish 'you're sh111t, but yer birds are fit'

the German bombers song?

I raised something on the Leeds thread a while ago.. we have an Italian player... "he eats spaghetti, drinks Moretti, his c8cks f8cking massiiiiiive"... that song is racist on a couple of levels... 1. we're insinuating all Italians eat spegetti etc, and 2. we're insinuating that because he's a black lad, he has a massive c8ck. the press/media never mentioned anything about the Italian part.

isn't the meaning racist 'to discriminate against another race' right?.
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Probably the same reason people will dress up as Mario but won’t do black face.

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not sure you got question mate, was a genuine question
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Well none of your examples question the nationality of people involved simply because they’re black.
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I know a lot of Asian lads who identify as British Asian.

At 1 point people used to refer to Black Americans as African Americans.
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Great! Irrelevant, but great. Saying that I don’t believe you but there we go.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 17/7/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Because they’re not questioning their nationality based on their colour.

It’s not racist to suggest Italian people eat spaghetti dude.
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Their colour isn't mentioned in the song.
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Whose colour?

posted on 17/7/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 50 minutes ago
Oh, so you do realise the chant is referring to France's black players specifically.

And you also know about the "run well" stereotype. Famously used by racists to suggest black people are known for their athleticism rather than their brainpower.

So, what's the issue? Why can't you and other people see that this is a racist chant?
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Colour isn't mentioned.

As for Black players running well, take a look at the best marathon runners and sprinters. The large majority will be Black.

posted on 17/7/24

Many of you seem to want the only definition of racism to be a guy wearing a KKK costume with swastikas and screaming "nigg@, nigg@, nigg@"".
———


This is true.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 17/7/24

So colour isn't mentioned, but you instantly know it's about black people. Why?

posted on 17/7/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 50 minutes ago
Oh, so you do realise the chant is referring to France's black players specifically.

And you also know about the "run well" stereotype. Famously used by racists to suggest black people are known for their athleticism rather than their brainpower.

So, what's the issue? Why can't you and other people see that this is a racist chant?
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Colour isn't mentioned.

As for Black players running well, take a look at the best marathon runners and sprinters. The large majority will be Black.
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Take a look at the 800m to 3000m runners.

I just knew you come on this thread and make a complete ass of yourself

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 17/7/24

People are so determined to not see racism

You're right I guess, the chant was actually designed to uplift black people. Who wouldn't want to run like Usain Bolt? It's a compliment.

Is that it? Am I close?

posted on 17/7/24

comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - It dint come home (U21595)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Ok, will need some education here...

how does this song differ from the other racist chants about other countries?

I mean,

English to the Swedish 'you're sh111t, but yer birds are fit'

the German bombers song?

I raised something on the Leeds thread a while ago.. we have an Italian player... "he eats spaghetti, drinks Moretti, his c8cks f8cking massiiiiiive"... that song is racist on a couple of levels... 1. we're insinuating all Italians eat spegetti etc, and 2. we're insinuating that because he's a black lad, he has a massive c8ck. the press/media never mentioned anything about the Italian part.

isn't the meaning racist 'to discriminate against another race' right?.
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Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse, or you're REALLY this thick, but a song claiming that French players have Nigerian fathers and Cameroonian mothers and born in Angola, but their passport says French is really just saying that all those French players of African heritage (which is most of the team) are basically fake French people. It's pretty clearly racially derogatory. Many of you seem to want the only definition of racism to be a guy wearing a KKK costume with swastikas and screaming "nigg@, nigg@, nigg@"".
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Isn't it mocking France for giving up on French players and relying on players of African heritage instead?

posted on 17/7/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Because they’re not questioning their nationality based on their colour.

It’s not racist to suggest Italian people eat spaghetti dude.
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Their colour isn't mentioned in the song.
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Whose colour?
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The French players

posted on 17/7/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 7 minutes ago
So colour isn't mentioned, but you instantly know it's about black people. Why?


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We know its about French players with African parents

posted on 17/7/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - It dint come home (U21595)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Ok, will need some education here...

how does this song differ from the other racist chants about other countries?

I mean,

English to the Swedish 'you're sh111t, but yer birds are fit'

the German bombers song?

I raised something on the Leeds thread a while ago.. we have an Italian player... "he eats spaghetti, drinks Moretti, his c8cks f8cking massiiiiiive"... that song is racist on a couple of levels... 1. we're insinuating all Italians eat spegetti etc, and 2. we're insinuating that because he's a black lad, he has a massive c8ck. the press/media never mentioned anything about the Italian part.

isn't the meaning racist 'to discriminate against another race' right?.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse, or you're REALLY this thick, but a song claiming that French players have Nigerian fathers and Cameroonian mothers and born in Angola, but their passport says French is really just saying that all those French players of African heritage (which is most of the team) are basically fake French people. It's pretty clearly racially derogatory. Many of you seem to want the only definition of racism to be a guy wearing a KKK costume with swastikas and screaming "nigg@, nigg@, nigg@"".
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Isn't it mocking France for giving up on French players and relying on players of African heritage instead?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 17/7/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 7 minutes ago
So colour isn't mentioned, but you instantly know it's about black people. Why?


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We know its about French players with African parents
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Who were they referring to when the chant said they "run well"?

posted on 17/7/24

It’s amazing isn’t it

posted on 17/7/24

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 50 minutes ago
Oh, so you do realise the chant is referring to France's black players specifically.

And you also know about the "run well" stereotype. Famously used by racists to suggest black people are known for their athleticism rather than their brainpower.

So, what's the issue? Why can't you and other people see that this is a racist chant?
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Colour isn't mentioned.

As for Black players running well, take a look at the best marathon runners and sprinters. The large majority will be Black.
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Take a look at the 800m to 3000m runners.

I just knew you come on this thread and make a complete ass of yourself
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Go luck up thje record.holders at those distances

posted on 17/7/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 7 minutes ago
So colour isn't mentioned, but you instantly know it's about black people. Why?


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We know its about French players with African parents
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Who were they referring to when the chant said they "run well"?
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The French players of African heritage

posted on 17/7/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - It dint come home (U21595)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Ok, will need some education here...

how does this song differ from the other racist chants about other countries?

I mean,

English to the Swedish 'you're sh111t, but yer birds are fit'

the German bombers song?

I raised something on the Leeds thread a while ago.. we have an Italian player... "he eats spaghetti, drinks Moretti, his c8cks f8cking massiiiiiive"... that song is racist on a couple of levels... 1. we're insinuating all Italians eat spegetti etc, and 2. we're insinuating that because he's a black lad, he has a massive c8ck. the press/media never mentioned anything about the Italian part.

isn't the meaning racist 'to discriminate against another race' right?.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse, or you're REALLY this thick, but a song claiming that French players have Nigerian fathers and Cameroonian mothers and born in Angola, but their passport says French is really just saying that all those French players of African heritage (which is most of the team) are basically fake French people. It's pretty clearly racially derogatory. Many of you seem to want the only definition of racism to be a guy wearing a KKK costume with swastikas and screaming "nigg@, nigg@, nigg@"".
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Isn't it mocking France for giving up on French players and relying on players of African heritage instead?
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Are you for real? This has to be satire and nobody is this stupid. So French players of African players coming through the French system - all born or raised in France since childhood and French nationals - means that the France has given up on French players? Please define "French players" for us - let's understand where you're coming from.

posted on 17/7/24

*French players of African heritage

posted on 17/7/24

Just had a read of the comments, and aside from the despair about the human race I just had. Here is a little something that may help, I have put key words in caps so it can help:

For something to be RACIST, it has to be associated with RACE. The dictionary definition being:

"characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."

So when you speak/sing about another countries FOOD or WOMEN. That isn't about their RACE, it is about country specific things, you could argue its XENOPHOBIC - but you can not argue that it is RACIST, as ultimately, a PACKET OF SPAGHETTI doesn't happen to be a RACE.

Now, where this song is RACIST is because it is implying that the BLACK (thats a RACE) players who play for France are not French but they are in fact AFRICAN. As according to them, the players themselves cannot be black French, they have to be African - tarring the whole RACE of players under the same brush and discrediting their legitimacy.

In some instances there are players who are a first generation immigrants, in some instances there are players who have had families that have lived in France for centuries. Just because they are BLACK doesn't mean that they should be considered African.

Why target just the RACE of BLACK people on the team with mixed backgrounds? I think that is obvious.

posted on 17/7/24

I think that might be an all time legendary RDD quote.

posted on 17/7/24

comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - It dint come home (U21595)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Ok, will need some education here...

how does this song differ from the other racist chants about other countries?

I mean,

English to the Swedish 'you're sh111t, but yer birds are fit'

the German bombers song?

I raised something on the Leeds thread a while ago.. we have an Italian player... "he eats spaghetti, drinks Moretti, his c8cks f8cking massiiiiiive"... that song is racist on a couple of levels... 1. we're insinuating all Italians eat spegetti etc, and 2. we're insinuating that because he's a black lad, he has a massive c8ck. the press/media never mentioned anything about the Italian part.

isn't the meaning racist 'to discriminate against another race' right?.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse, or you're REALLY this thick, but a song claiming that French players have Nigerian fathers and Cameroonian mothers and born in Angola, but their passport says French is really just saying that all those French players of African heritage (which is most of the team) are basically fake French people. It's pretty clearly racially derogatory. Many of you seem to want the only definition of racism to be a guy wearing a KKK costume with swastikas and screaming "nigg@, nigg@, nigg@"".
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Isn't it mocking France for giving up on French players and relying on players of African heritage instead?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Are you for real?This has to be satire and nobody is this stupid. So French players of African players coming through the French system - all born or raised in France since childhood and French nationals - means that the France has given up on French players? Please define "French players" for us - let's understand where you're coming from.
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Im guessing they mean those players with African parents.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)

posted on 17/7/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 7 minutes ago
So colour isn't mentioned, but you instantly know it's about black people. Why?


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We know its about French players with African parents
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Who were they referring to when the chant said they "run well"?
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The French players of African heritage
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Zidane was a french player of African heritage. I suppose they think of him as somebody who ran well too?

posted on 17/7/24

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 4 minutes ago
Just had a read of the comments, and aside from the despair about the human race I just had. Here is a little something that may help, I have put key words in caps so it can help:

For something to be RACIST, it has to be associated with RACE. The dictionary definition being:

"characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."

So when you speak/sing about another countries FOOD or WOMEN. That isn't about their RACE, it is about country specific things, you could argue its XENOPHOBIC - but you can not argue that it is RACIST, as ultimately, a PACKET OF SPAGHETTI doesn't happen to be a RACE.

Now, where this song is RACIST is because it is implying that the BLACK (thats a RACE) players who play for France are not French but they are in fact AFRICAN. As according to them, the players themselves cannot be black French, they have to be African - tarring the whole RACE of players under the same brush and discrediting their legitimacy.

In some instances there are players who are a first generation immigrants, in some instances there are players who have had families that have lived in France for centuries. Just because they are BLACK doesn't mean that they should be considered African.

Why target just the RACE of BLACK people on the team with mixed backgrounds? I think that is obvious.
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Good post, it’s basically implying these black French players are fake black people and a disgrace to their race because it’s saying they’re disguising as non African when they’re African, equivalent of calling them uncle tom’s but obviously French

Sadly people don’t consider this racist though, seems to have to be the N word or even more specifically to be deemed racist. Just look at Muhammad Ali, probably one of the biggest racists we’ve ever known in sport and what he put Frazier through and the racial bile he gave to Frazier was incredibly sad yet nobody even would acknowledge or still doesn’t that Ali was a massive racist

posted on 17/7/24

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 7 minutes ago
So colour isn't mentioned, but you instantly know it's about black people. Why?


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We know its about French players with African parents
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Who were they referring to when the chant said they "run well"?
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The French players of African heritage
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Zidane was a french player of African heritage. I suppose they think of him as somebody who ran well too?
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Well, he did, didn't he?

posted on 17/7/24

comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Mainoo Man (U23147)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - It dint come home (U21595)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Ok, will need some education here...

how does this song differ from the other racist chants about other countries?

I mean,

English to the Swedish 'you're sh111t, but yer birds are fit'

the German bombers song?

I raised something on the Leeds thread a while ago.. we have an Italian player... "he eats spaghetti, drinks Moretti, his c8cks f8cking massiiiiiive"... that song is racist on a couple of levels... 1. we're insinuating all Italians eat spegetti etc, and 2. we're insinuating that because he's a black lad, he has a massive c8ck. the press/media never mentioned anything about the Italian part.

isn't the meaning racist 'to discriminate against another race' right?.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse, or you're REALLY this thick, but a song claiming that French players have Nigerian fathers and Cameroonian mothers and born in Angola, but their passport says French is really just saying that all those French players of African heritage (which is most of the team) are basically fake French people. It's pretty clearly racially derogatory. Many of you seem to want the only definition of racism to be a guy wearing a KKK costume with swastikas and screaming "nigg@, nigg@, nigg@"".
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Isn't it mocking France for giving up on French players and relying on players of African heritage instead?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Are you for real?This has to be satire and nobody is this stupid. So French players of African players coming through the French system - all born or raised in France since childhood and French nationals - means that the France has given up on French players? Please define "French players" for us - let's understand where you're coming from.
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Im guessing they mean those players with African parents.
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Surely they would be specific which players they meant then? Like they were about Mbappe.

I cant think of any specific player who is from Angola, with Cameroonian father and Nigerian mother.

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