Are we talking about Suarez or the fan who has been arrested for racist abuse?

VC - Billy told me he didn't care one jot about racist abuse so stuff like that isn't an issue for him

daredevil

I guess it has more to do with the 'court' in which he was tried!

Fergie has said that you cannot 'win' with the FA, a sentiment echoed by many players/managers....

If Suarez was up in front of the law rather than the FA, how far do you think the case would have got? A verdict based on probability is outlawed in this country, it would have been laughed out of court at the first stage!

I, and I guess you, wanted more substantial evidence, you are happy that the verdict was guilty based on a guess, but seriously, you wanted evidence, and there was none!

@ Billy,

So you are going back on what you said before? You said you didnt think the Oldham player had been racially abused therefore he must be a liar.

Now you are saying he may have mis-heard?

Im all for innocence until proven guilty however, given the players reaction and witnesses in the crowd I believe he was racially abused, if not by the guy who was arrested then by another "fan". The player reacted to "something", the witnesses heard "something".

daredevil

I just read your last comment, I was responding...

VC is trying to reclaim some credibility here, he was soundly put in his place earlier due to his contradictions, not by me by the way!

diggler

When did I say 'the Oldham player' was a liar?

comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)
posted 21 minutes ago

vc

Anyway, you working late? It's not often I see you after 7, UK time!

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Out the door in five minutes.

@Billy,

When you answered No to VCs question. If you dont believe that the Oldham player was racially abused then he must be lying.

I dont want to come across like Im having a go Billy, I like you as a poster but stick to your guns man.

VC is trying to reclaim some credibility here, he was soundly put in his place earlier due to his contradictions

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Billy

We both know that didn't happen. Your fellow LFC fan Redinthehead got himself in well to deep. Couldn't stop digging.

You know the drill very well yourself.

I honestly don't know why you post on the United board the amount of times you get ripped a new a-hole.

Any how, I am out the door.

Diggler

"Im all for innocence until proven guilty however, given the players reaction and witnesses in the crowd I believe he was racially abused, if not by the guy who was arrested then by another "fan". The player reacted to "something", the witnesses heard "something".

You believe!

Ok, he is guilty then!

Your comment actually contradicts itself, is he guilty? You say you uphold the idea of innocent until proven guilty, yet then find him guilty based on speculation/opinion! Make you mind up mate!

VC

Yeah ok mate, good send off! #confusedaswhyyoubother

Did you actually read what I said?

I believe the player was racially abused by a person from the crowd.

I believe that someone is innocent until proven otherwise.

Ergo I believe that the "fan" who was arrested is innocent until proven otherwise.

So if he is proven innocent then good for him but it just means that there was someone else in that crowd who did racially abuse the Oldham player.

Do you get it now?

Diggler

I find it hard to believe that he ran 20 yards away then returned and identified a fan who had supposedly abused him, I may well be wrong with this but I feel that he may have misheard what was said! That is not saying he is a liar, but for me it is a possibility, always looking on the bright side and stuff like that!

I don't want racially abusive language to be a part of the kop, the stretford end or wherever, if it happens then punish them, but I get the feeling that people want it to have happened, to me that is sad! My opinion

It was the eye-witness who is supposed to have identified him and confirmed what was said.

Also if the Oldham player had had any doubt about what was said would he have reacted so strongly? Put yourself in his shoes, if you "thought" you heard someone from the crowd shouting racist abuse but you thought maybe you misheard, would you react in that way?

Anyway, Im done talking about this. Its workout time but I will check in later.

Good luck!

Diggler

You are talking as if the player was actually racially abused!

Was he?

Listen, I am not saying he made it up...but you and I do not know what happened! I may well be proven wrong with this, but as of now it is still not known what happened, stop saying stuff as if you know what happened!

Was the guy racially abused?

I don't know that, and neither do you!

Have a good workout mate, I like debating with you, you dont insult or try to put me down, you offer proper talk and back yourself up, I like that! Nice one

Wow 315 comments, that's more than the average United match thread! And 200 of them are slagging off Carrick!

Hi.

Oh no!

It's only CP and Manyoo Mancees that slag Carrick off, the rest of us love him. Do you like him?

Billy,

Wow, you quote Fergie now when generally you dismiss him. In any event Fergie is not right all the time and people have succeeded in overturning FA verdicts in the past. So you can win when it comes to the FA.

I thought you guys were bringing in lawyers from the states and all that.

You clearly aren't aware of the Civil court cases in the UK.

I still cannot understand how an innocent man will serve punishment for a crime he didn't commit.

I certainly wouldn't and most people except in scouseland and deeping would agree

Carrick does a job, you can't argue with that!, He reminds me of my ex-wife, she did a job too, nothing exciting and boring to watch whilst she was doing it!

comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)

Carrick isn't boring, he's the english Alonso.

daredevil

Come on man! The FA have a 99.5% conviction rate, the government, before the Suarez case, opened up an enquiry into why the percentage was so high! What chance do you think Liverpool had if they appealed?

Anyway, I get your point! Who would serve a punishment for a crime they didn't commit? I wouldn't, I guess you wouldn't! But you and I will never have to serve a punishment that was meted out by a body that used 'probability' as the tie-breaker!

We all know that the verdict on Suarez was not satisfactory, I expected to see some real evidence of his racially abusive language, I guess you did too. Guesswork imo is not proof, what do you think?

Suarez is like the A team.

Elvis

I get that, I think! Didn't the A-Team always succeed though. They were wrongly accused but always won ! Hmmmm