comment by Bobby (U4765)
posted 5 minutes ago
No idea VidicsChin, I'm an armchair fan, only been to 2 matches in my life, only one of those at Anfield.
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Fair enough.
comment by Redinthehead -at least we didn't finish 13th (U1860)
Oh and vidic chin saying that man utd never stopped away fans from coming is a blatant untruth.. whatever the reason may have been, man utd did have a temporary ban on away fans at the stadium. Something you seemed absolutely ignorant of.
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I dont actually think that is the truth. Im sure we still had some away fans coming to OT. I could be wrong here, but I attended games during that period, and although relatively young at the time, Im sure I would have remembered there not being any away fans at the ground.
Elvis
Sadly this kid has dug such a whole for himself, he doesn't know what way to dig anymore.
I said earlier that I went to OT during the 95-96 reconstruction phase, and there were away fans at the games I went to.
I specifically remember talking with Rotor Volograd fans afetr the game over a few pints.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
I said earlier that I went to OT during the 95-96 reconstruction phase, and there were away fans at the games I went to.
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Yeh and I am sure that there were away fans during the earlier phase when the Stretty was rebuilt.
If there was a spell when we didnt have any away fans it was probably only for a game or two when segregation would have been impossible.
Interestingly Redinthehead has stated earlier that United are the only (PL) team to have never allowed any away supporters into their ground. He then also went on to slate you for not knowing the history of your own club. Unfortunately for him he has completely overlooked the fact that his own team did not allow any away fans for a short period when they rebuilt their stand about 15 years back. You'd have thought as the great supporter that he is that he would have known that wouldnt you?
http://www.football-england.com/manchester_united_2_liverpool_2_1995_premier_league.html
Away fans were being refused entry to old trafford, but then you knew that didn't you vidic chin???
Leeds and Rangers banned each others away fans in the 90s in the ECL
I had overlooked that fair enough (though I was talking thinking about other clubs), but I was responding to vidic saying only a small club would reduce the numbers of away fans, when it is not a decision the club takes arbitrarily.
So vidic chin do you stand by your comment that reductions/limitations are put upon away supporters by "small clubs"?
I think when the scoreboard end got done a blanket ban of away fans was in operation. Most of the work took place in the summer but for the first couple of months or so of the season they had a ban.
comment by Redinthehead -at least we didn't finish 13th (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
I had overlooked that fair enough (though I was talking thinking about other clubs), but I was responding to vidic saying only a small club would reduce the numbers of away fans, when it is not a decision the club takes arbitrarily.
So vidic chin do you stand by your comment that reductions/limitations are put upon away supporters by "small clubs"?
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How can you do any other when there is no way of segregating? It isnt just a case of sticking up some netting or having a load of stewards. Where do the away fans go to take a leak? They are totally different situations. Not even sure why you have gone down this route. How is redeveloping your stadium the same as not being able to handle fans?
The very fact that the United ban was due to construction work is due to exceptional circumstances and not 'the norm'. When the work was complete it was reversed.
This Liverpool reduction on United fans is because, they (under no exceptional circumstances ) say they just cant cope with that many travelling fans.
Which is very small fry.
comment by Redinthehead -at least we didn't finish 13th (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
http://www.football-england.com/manchester_united_2_liverpool_2_1995_premier_league.html
Away fans were being refused entry to old trafford, but then you knew that didn't you vidic chin???
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Funnily enough, there were quite a lot of Liverpool supporters at that particular game. Pretty much nullifies that report, by who exactly?
Is that all you could come up with in the last half an hour of searching.
I really can't imagine the United fans cheering Liverpool's two goals, can you?
I will try to respond to everyone who has commented recently, been on exam duty!
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comment by D Diggler (U4142)
posted 2 hours ago
Just caught up on all the posts, its sad to see the thread has devolved into another race argument. People need to get over this. Anyway, two points I wanted to talk about, one for each side of the argument (of the original OP),
1. Last season Man Utd had their allocation of tickets for away games cut by 12 teams in the Premier League. This has been a growing trend over the last couple of years and is due to bad behaviour by the United away fans ie the persistent blocking of aisles and gangways and standing.
2. Billy, as you previously mentioned, the decision is not just of the club but of the police, local councils and safety advisory groups. Tell me then, with the same groups talking to Everton, why was our allocation not cut there?
I guess that the relevant authorities decided it was safe at Everton, each ground clearly has different exit points etc...I imagine Everton's ground complied with what the authorities deemed was safe! I get that.
Redinthehead -at least we didn't finish 13th (U1860)
"Basically vidic chin tried to wum, got caught out and now doesn't know which way to turn.
Safety concerns are safety concerns whether they be due to building work or otherwise.
Safety first an whomever tries to wum on that score really is a tool as vidic chin has exhibited."
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I agree 100%, VC can be clever at times and says some good stuff, but he was clearly found out here!
BBT
Was an apt way to finish the weekend. Have a good one!
RBW
"Anfield however currently isnt. H&S has got nothing to do with this ticket reduction. Its got everything to do with LFC and its Merseyside cronies desperately trying to penalise United and it's supporters, in a bitter attempt at one-upmanship."
So everyone is in on this, the police, the safety advisory committees, LFC, the FA? All for the sake of 1,000 fans, really?
I would like to think that fan safety was paramount in all of these people's minds, you think its a conspiracy to deny 1,000 extra seats!!!! Fair enough, I guess it is an opinion after all, I respect that!
VC
Diggler
I didn't overlook your point, I think I answered it earlier, I guess each ground has its own specifics with regards to safety, just because Everton can accommodate x amount of fans does not mean that Liverpool can, basic really!
Is Schin misbehaving again.
You should know better Mr. Schin.
Behave
Elvis
"I wonder if the problem has to do with the fact that we usually fill our away allocation? Im only guessing here, but maybe most team don't do the same? If they did then perhaps more of them would spill out into the aisles/walkways?"
Fair point, that may be a factor!
VC
"What danger to the public is different than, lets say, when Everton fans come to Anfield?"
Maybe they don't crowd the exits?
RBW
"'H&S' and its legal consequences is crippling this country."
True, and that is possibly more the reason for this than any conspiracy theory!
Can someone explain to me why standing fans are a problem for teams? What harm does it do standing up and cheering the lads on?
VC
"Bobby
Are United the only team who bring 6,000 away fans to Anfield?"
I think it is usually about 2-4,000 for PL games, the FA stipulate that a certain amount of the ground should be given to away fans for cup games, so I can only presume this causes a problem for Liverpool! You and I both know that the fact that denying 1,000 seats is not based on some sort of tribal conspiracy, it is based on safety! I get that, do you?
VC
"f your stewards can handle Everton supporters of the same number, how come they can not handle United fans."
Again, I can only presume that Everton fans did/do not crowd the safety exits.
There is evidence of other clubs reducing United's allocation, clearly there is a problem with United fans amongst the league! No problem, just behave and then you lot will get your full allocation, it's not rocket science is it?
Yay I caught up, I think!
Elvis, thanks mate, you too!
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posted on 20/1/12
comment by Bobby (U4765)
posted 5 minutes ago
No idea VidicsChin, I'm an armchair fan, only been to 2 matches in my life, only one of those at Anfield.
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Fair enough.
posted on 20/1/12
comment by Redinthehead -at least we didn't finish 13th (U1860)
Oh and vidic chin saying that man utd never stopped away fans from coming is a blatant untruth.. whatever the reason may have been, man utd did have a temporary ban on away fans at the stadium. Something you seemed absolutely ignorant of.
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I dont actually think that is the truth. Im sure we still had some away fans coming to OT. I could be wrong here, but I attended games during that period, and although relatively young at the time, Im sure I would have remembered there not being any away fans at the ground.
posted on 20/1/12
Elvis
Sadly this kid has dug such a whole for himself, he doesn't know what way to dig anymore.
I said earlier that I went to OT during the 95-96 reconstruction phase, and there were away fans at the games I went to.
I specifically remember talking with Rotor Volograd fans afetr the game over a few pints.
posted on 20/1/12
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
I said earlier that I went to OT during the 95-96 reconstruction phase, and there were away fans at the games I went to.
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Yeh and I am sure that there were away fans during the earlier phase when the Stretty was rebuilt.
posted on 20/1/12
If there was a spell when we didnt have any away fans it was probably only for a game or two when segregation would have been impossible.
Interestingly Redinthehead has stated earlier that United are the only (PL) team to have never allowed any away supporters into their ground. He then also went on to slate you for not knowing the history of your own club. Unfortunately for him he has completely overlooked the fact that his own team did not allow any away fans for a short period when they rebuilt their stand about 15 years back. You'd have thought as the great supporter that he is that he would have known that wouldnt you?
posted on 20/1/12
http://www.football-england.com/manchester_united_2_liverpool_2_1995_premier_league.html
Away fans were being refused entry to old trafford, but then you knew that didn't you vidic chin???
posted on 20/1/12
Leeds and Rangers banned each others away fans in the 90s in the ECL
posted on 20/1/12
I had overlooked that fair enough (though I was talking thinking about other clubs), but I was responding to vidic saying only a small club would reduce the numbers of away fans, when it is not a decision the club takes arbitrarily.
So vidic chin do you stand by your comment that reductions/limitations are put upon away supporters by "small clubs"?
posted on 20/1/12
I think when the scoreboard end got done a blanket ban of away fans was in operation. Most of the work took place in the summer but for the first couple of months or so of the season they had a ban.
posted on 20/1/12
comment by Redinthehead -at least we didn't finish 13th (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
I had overlooked that fair enough (though I was talking thinking about other clubs), but I was responding to vidic saying only a small club would reduce the numbers of away fans, when it is not a decision the club takes arbitrarily.
So vidic chin do you stand by your comment that reductions/limitations are put upon away supporters by "small clubs"?
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How can you do any other when there is no way of segregating? It isnt just a case of sticking up some netting or having a load of stewards. Where do the away fans go to take a leak? They are totally different situations. Not even sure why you have gone down this route. How is redeveloping your stadium the same as not being able to handle fans?
posted on 20/1/12
The very fact that the United ban was due to construction work is due to exceptional circumstances and not 'the norm'. When the work was complete it was reversed.
This Liverpool reduction on United fans is because, they (under no exceptional circumstances ) say they just cant cope with that many travelling fans.
Which is very small fry.
posted on 20/1/12
comment by Redinthehead -at least we didn't finish 13th (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
http://www.football-england.com/manchester_united_2_liverpool_2_1995_premier_league.html
Away fans were being refused entry to old trafford, but then you knew that didn't you vidic chin???
.......................
Funnily enough, there were quite a lot of Liverpool supporters at that particular game. Pretty much nullifies that report, by who exactly?
Is that all you could come up with in the last half an hour of searching.
I really can't imagine the United fans cheering Liverpool's two goals, can you?
posted on 20/1/12
I will try to respond to everyone who has commented recently, been on exam duty!
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comment by D Diggler (U4142)
posted 2 hours ago
Just caught up on all the posts, its sad to see the thread has devolved into another race argument. People need to get over this. Anyway, two points I wanted to talk about, one for each side of the argument (of the original OP),
1. Last season Man Utd had their allocation of tickets for away games cut by 12 teams in the Premier League. This has been a growing trend over the last couple of years and is due to bad behaviour by the United away fans ie the persistent blocking of aisles and gangways and standing.
2. Billy, as you previously mentioned, the decision is not just of the club but of the police, local councils and safety advisory groups. Tell me then, with the same groups talking to Everton, why was our allocation not cut there?
I guess that the relevant authorities decided it was safe at Everton, each ground clearly has different exit points etc...I imagine Everton's ground complied with what the authorities deemed was safe! I get that.
posted on 20/1/12
Redinthehead -at least we didn't finish 13th (U1860)
"Basically vidic chin tried to wum, got caught out and now doesn't know which way to turn.
Safety concerns are safety concerns whether they be due to building work or otherwise.
Safety first an whomever tries to wum on that score really is a tool as vidic chin has exhibited."
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I agree 100%, VC can be clever at times and says some good stuff, but he was clearly found out here!
posted on 20/1/12
BBT
Was an apt way to finish the weekend. Have a good one!
posted on 20/1/12
RBW
"Anfield however currently isnt. H&S has got nothing to do with this ticket reduction. Its got everything to do with LFC and its Merseyside cronies desperately trying to penalise United and it's supporters, in a bitter attempt at one-upmanship."
So everyone is in on this, the police, the safety advisory committees, LFC, the FA? All for the sake of 1,000 fans, really?
I would like to think that fan safety was paramount in all of these people's minds, you think its a conspiracy to deny 1,000 extra seats!!!! Fair enough, I guess it is an opinion after all, I respect that!
posted on 20/1/12
VC
Diggler
I didn't overlook your point, I think I answered it earlier, I guess each ground has its own specifics with regards to safety, just because Everton can accommodate x amount of fans does not mean that Liverpool can, basic really!
posted on 20/1/12
Is Schin misbehaving again.
You should know better Mr. Schin.
Behave
posted on 20/1/12
Elvis
"I wonder if the problem has to do with the fact that we usually fill our away allocation? Im only guessing here, but maybe most team don't do the same? If they did then perhaps more of them would spill out into the aisles/walkways?"
Fair point, that may be a factor!
posted on 20/1/12
VC
"What danger to the public is different than, lets say, when Everton fans come to Anfield?"
Maybe they don't crowd the exits?
posted on 20/1/12
RBW
"'H&S' and its legal consequences is crippling this country."
True, and that is possibly more the reason for this than any conspiracy theory!
posted on 20/1/12
Can someone explain to me why standing fans are a problem for teams? What harm does it do standing up and cheering the lads on?
posted on 20/1/12
VC
"Bobby
Are United the only team who bring 6,000 away fans to Anfield?"
I think it is usually about 2-4,000 for PL games, the FA stipulate that a certain amount of the ground should be given to away fans for cup games, so I can only presume this causes a problem for Liverpool! You and I both know that the fact that denying 1,000 seats is not based on some sort of tribal conspiracy, it is based on safety! I get that, do you?
posted on 20/1/12
VC
"f your stewards can handle Everton supporters of the same number, how come they can not handle United fans."
Again, I can only presume that Everton fans did/do not crowd the safety exits.
There is evidence of other clubs reducing United's allocation, clearly there is a problem with United fans amongst the league! No problem, just behave and then you lot will get your full allocation, it's not rocket science is it?
posted on 20/1/12
Yay I caught up, I think!
Elvis, thanks mate, you too!
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