comment by Bobby (U4765)
posted 7 minutes ago

Indeed VidicsChin, what has happened to that once great club, imagine reducing the away ticket allocation, it's truly awful, I can't imagine anything worse.

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Bobby,

I think when you add this on top of LFC's recent misdemeanours, you might see what I am getting at.

Racism? Surely the fact that United have had 2 cases of racist chanting since 2010 and Liverpool's away support have had none would suggest that racism at OT is more of a problem
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What has Liverpool's away support got to do with it when citing a problem at OT?

Please go read up on the Oldham game at Anfield and Suarez's conviction at Anfield too

How then is it a bigger problem at OT?

Or, are you simply comparing Liverpool's away support with United's home support because it fits your argument better?

Get a grip Billy

comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886) posted 47 minutes ago

Elvis

Does Luis feel the same? I wouldn't know, let's not get into that on this thread please, I think we have all had enough of that! Please?
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VC

I actually don't have the figures mate! I know that the club raised concerns about safety, and thus the council reacted to those concerns, something to do with crowding the exits/entrances I remember! I'm not sure arrest figures are relevant when it comes down to safety to be honest!

If away fans disregard the rules then their numbers should be reduced imo, I'm all for safety!
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Probably why you spout your nonesense in internet forums as opposed to face to face

I think when you add this on top of LFC's recent misdemeanours, you might see what I am getting at.
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I have no idea what you're getting at, unless completely over reacting is what you're getting at.

Am I right?

Probably why you spout your nonesense in internet forums as opposed to face to face
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It's a little difficult to talk face to face in here.

RBW

I will let you know. Its about standing and not sitting down. (Thats the extent of the misbehaving at Anfiled. We dont throw bags of pi55 at the tiers below like the Liverpool fans do at OT). Problem is at Anfiled because it is such as small pokey ground that is that you have to stand to see properly at that end.

Many away fans do it. Not just United.
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Maybe so mate, but I don't read about reductions for other teams! At the end of the day I imagine that this is not a club thing, I think the authorities, i.e. the council and the police have a say in it, safety first!

Is that such a bad thing?


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VC

As I have repeatedly said, this is not (in my opinion) a club decision! I doubt that they could implement a reduction without justification, I guess the council, the police et al have been involved in this!

You make it sound like a conspiracy at best, or the fact that liverpool are a small club who cannot accommodate away fans at worst!

Seriously, away fans have been to Anfield for the last 100 years, no problem! There has clearly been issues recently regarding safety, hence the reduction...what do you want, safety or non-safety? I choose safety every time, you clearly see it differently, fair enough!

comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886) posted 10 minutes ago

daredevil

There is one (yet still to be confirmed) of racial abuse at Anfield! That is one case in the last 2 years!


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Sorry but Suarez was convicted and LFC accepted it

Just because it wasn't a fan doesn't mean you can therefore discount it

BillyBob, he always see's it differently, if someone on this forum said his mum didn't have a dîck, he'd probably be in here arguing against it.

There was 2 confirmed cases of it at OT last year...I am not sure your argument stands up given the facts!

Nobody heard about the cases at OT because it was not highlighted
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So, that's two confirmed cases that are basically unconfirmed then?

comment by Bobby (U4765) posted 3 minutes ago

Probably why you spout your nonesense in internet forums as opposed to face to face
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It's a little difficult to talk face to face in here.
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My point was pretty easy to understand. Sorry it went over your head

Elvis

"Were United not Liverpool's most hated rivals, do you think that they would be more likely to get a full allocation?"

Do you really think a reduction of 1,000 was playing on the minds of the people who made this decision? Really?

I doubt it, I think the decision was made purely on safety grounds...Anfield I guess (been there twice) has its limitations with regards to away fans, I am not sure people have conspired to reduce the number by 1,000 due to rivalry, do you really think that?

comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)

Seriously, away fans have been to Anfield for the last 100 years, no problem! There has clearly been issues recently regarding safety, hence the reduction...what do you want, safety or non-safety? I choose safety every time, you clearly see it differently, fair enough!
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BBT

I have been to anfield numerous times over the years - not just in United v Liverpool matches. Now as far as I can recall, pretty much every set of away fans stand at your stadium. In addition, the announcer always asks away fans not to stand.

So why is it only United that receive a reduced allocation?

The fact that the announcer has to always request away fans not to stand would suggest to me (on top of my own experience) that there is a universal problem rather than a United specific one.

Seems to me like Liverpool are just trying to reduce the support of United's away fans. Which to be fair is one of the best in the country.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=the+10+game+faces+of+phil+jones&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&rlz=1G1ACAW_ENUK422&biw=1366&bih=635&tbm=isch&tbnid=bZiu5xJUNWjlQM:&imgrefurl=http://www.anorak.co.uk/302951/sports/the-top-10-phil-jones-game-face-photos-manchester-united-star-can-pull-em.html/&docid=bAFA2KvPwShHPM&imgurl=http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/phil-jones-game-face/philjones.jpg&w=500&h=375&ei=u2kZT7DMLoHChAfk2pnQDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=189&vpy=151&dur=2770&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=130&ty=130&sig=112332104105843038892&page=1&tbnh=137&tbnw=196&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

Always cheers me up.

As you've been to anfield Elvis, you'll appreciate how close the fans are in the corner between the main stand and anfield road lower (where away fans are) also how close said fans will be to the pitch.

If safety is a concern it makes sense to have a gap between the fans and the pitch. Doesnt it?

You make it sound like a conspiracy at best, or the fact that liverpool are a small club who cannot accommodate away fans at worst!

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The evidence points this way.

Seems to me like Liverpool are just trying to reduce the support of United's away fans. Which to be fair is one of the best in the country.
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This is what its all about. And its by far the best.

Shows the pea-brain mentality of those who run LFC.

So vidic chin, what would that say about man utd who didn't allow ANY away fans for a period of time?

Hmmmm?

You've just done a Devonshire !

Arab

I guess the banner will be waved regardless. I really think this is more a case of safety, all the authorities will have been involved in this decision, it is not simply a case of LFC saying 'we want less United fans because they have won more PL titles than us!'

If safety is a concern it makes sense to have a gap between the fans and the pitch. Doesnt it?

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The question is, why is it only a concern for United fans?

There is no evidence of misbehavior from United fans at Anfield.

Billy would have been all over it with a link, if that was the case.

comment by Elvis (U7425) posted 2 minutes ago

comment by BillyBobTaunton (U4886)

Seriously, away fans have been to Anfield for the last 100 years, no problem! There has clearly been issues recently regarding safety, hence the reduction...what do you want, safety or non-safety? I choose safety every time, you clearly see it differently, fair enough!
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BBT

I have been to anfield numerous times over the years - not just in United v Liverpool matches. Now as far as I can recall, pretty much every set of away fans stand at your stadium. In addition, the announcer always asks away fans not to stand.

So why is it only United that receive a reduced allocation?


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I think theansweris obvious bud

United/Liverpool rivalry runs to supreme hatred and that was before Suarez racially abused Paddy

Thing is though, it is Liverpool that is totally to blame for this additional tension. Not only the racial abuse, but the terrible stance Liverpool adopted in the aftermath resulting in a another black player receiving abuse, this time from a fan

United have stayed tightlipped all the way through and because of Liverpool's behavior, tensions are running higher than they needed to be, and It's United fans that will have to suffer the consequences

Ticket reduction as such is possibly a reasonable idea now just for safety reasons.

Remember, kids attend football matches, something idiots tend to forget

Devonshired yourself

The reason why there have been no issues
Is because the fixture has been effectively managed. As is the case here.

comment by Redinthehead -at least we didn't finish 13th (U1860)

posted 3 minutes ago

As you've been to anfield Elvis, you'll appreciate how close the fans are in the corner between the main stand and anfield road lower (where away fans are) also how close said fans will be to the pitch.

If safety is a concern it makes sense to have a gap between the fans and the pitch. Doesnt it?
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In terms of this up coming match, taking into consideration the Evra/Suarez saga, I think that there is some sense in it. If it is for safety reasons then you cant really argue. What annoys me is that we have had allocation cut in the past for persistent standing - which pretty much all away fans do at Anfield. I think it is just pettiness on Liverpool's part. Especially when you consider the fact that Liverpool's away fans have in the past at OT ripped up seats, destroyed the toilets and scrawled Munich all over walls - yet we never reduce your allocation.

UnitedRedMacca- I taught Rooney and Berbatov the overhead kick (U2024)

What has Liverpool's away support got to do with it when citing a problem at OT?

Nothing whatsoever, I was replying to a comment from a United fan about possible racism at Anfield, I simply pointed out that OT has more cases of it!

So Elvis agrees there is some sense in it. For safety's sake sensible options HAVE to be taken.