He was not average in his first 18 months.

He did not score as many as he has been this season, but he was still creative and a big threat, as well as chipping in with a number of goals. But I've already explained this, so it's not me who is missing anything.

He did not score as many as he has been this season, but he was still creative and a big threat, as well as chipping in with a number of goals. But I've already explained this, so it's not me who is missing anything.


This in no way points to him performing at a world class level.

Especially when other players err performing a lot better

he made a fool of united's defence within a month of signing

Olivier

So RVP is in the first tier based on one season?

lucas leiva really is that good! (U9282)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mexican, I agree and I'm only mentioning falcao because like Suarez, he has not proved it over 2/3 seasons like stretty suggests they should.




First of all, yes he has.

Secondly, when Falcao has a chance in the box, you could bet your house on him scoring. If he played for a side who created more chances his record would be frightening. He is similar to RVP in that sense.

Suarez isn't fundamentally a goalscoring striker like these two, he is about creation, movement and work ethic. When Suarez goes through on goal, you have the feeling he is going to miss, not score, he simply isn't as effective as these types of player. If you want to compare him to a player of his ilk, look at Messi, Aguero or Tevez for example, and he falls short.

It boils down to the fact he is not as effective as the very best players. If he plays the way he has for the last 2 months over a couple of seasons, yes there is an argument, on his form since signing for Liverpool, it;s laughable. He has the potential to reach this bracket of player though.

Based on one season? He was scoring for fun the season before last and the season before that he was on fire until he got injured, and the season before that he had a combined tally of goals and assists more than anybody in the league.

He performed at a very good level and has stepped it up even more now. And was a key player at his former club, and is a key player for his national team.

I don't consider Aguero or Tevez 'world class' either. People throw that term around willy nilly on the back of some good form, like this case.

Fabio Borini's Knife (U1217)
posted 26 seconds ago
He performed at a very good level and has stepped it up even more now.


For now yes, he has been in this sort of form before and gone back to missing sitters and costing you points. Like a lot of people have said, if he does it for a couple of years, not months, bravo.

Well Aguero is one of the 5 best strikers in the world so if that isn't good enough for you then I don't know what is.

when berbatov plays everyweek for a team that suits him, he is borderline world class IMO, still gotta be the classiest player in the league, i miss him

Olivier Giroud: A Proper Striker (U2725)
posted 1 minute ago
Well Aguero is one of the 5 best strikers in the world


In your opinion. Tevez is better for me, far more effective. I think a lot of people confuse dribbling ability with being an effective footballer, but like I said, it's down to opinion.

Why are people arguing with Stretty? He's clearly a wum as he can't hold together an argument and is contradicting himself - obviously trying to get a rise.
His idea of worldclass keeps changing as people keep proving Suarez fits his previous criteria. Essentially he thinks:

-No world class player has ever played in an inferior league, when porved that they have he states we must discount any record of this. So if Messi transferred to Ajax and scored 100 goals in a season it wouldn't count because it's a 'poor' league.
-And the funniest, when asked to name five worldclass strikers he mentions Falcao. Then later states that 'I never said he was worldclass just top five'. So essentially being in the top five in the world in your trade doesn't make you worldclass.
Basically his opinions are null and void. He's a moron on the wum desperate to attribute no praise to Suarez and going to the lengths of contradicting himself in order to do so.

Olivier

Scoring for fun? Before last season, he scored 95 goals in 229 games for arsenal. Is that scoring for fun?

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Fasheezy (U14359)
posted 22 seconds ago
Olivier

Scoring for fun? Before last season, he scored 95 goals in 229 games for arsenal. Is that scoring for fun?


He didn't start as a striker, and how many of those came from the bench?

Fasheezy, I didn't realise RVP played 229 games in the 09/10 season. My mistake.

-No world class player has ever played in an inferior league, when porved that they have he states we must discount any record of this. So if Messi transferred to Ajax and scored 100 goals in a season it wouldn't count because it's a 'poor' league.

It is a poor league. And performing there means jack. Is alonso sleeves world class coz he scored loads?

-And the funniest, when asked to name five worldclass strikers he mentions Falcao. Then later states that 'I never said he was worldclass just top five'. So essentially being in the top five in the world in your trade doesn't make you worldclass.

I don't believe all those I listed are world class. They may be the best. But Ronaldo and messi are the bench mark for strikers ATM and no one gets close to them.
So I can say they may be too five but not world class.


Basically his opinions are null and void. He's a moron on the wum desperate to attribute no praise to Suarez and going to the lengths of contradicting himself in order to do so.
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I've said he's a good player. Just not world class . Anyone who says he is is a Liverpool fan or just dense.

Based on one season? He was scoring for fun the season before last and the season before that he was on fire until he got injured, and the season before that he had a combined tally of goals and assists more than anybody in the league.

So how many seasons are in your statement above?

3 i think

I said in 10/11 he was scoring for fun, which he was. In 09/10 he was on fire before his injury, which he was. In 08/09 he scored or assisted the most goals in the PL, which he did.

All of the above combined with his amazing goal scoring record last season and the types of goals he has scored have earned him the world class tag.

Stretty, you'll find some of the Manu fans also think he's world class.

Let it go lad, you've exposed yourself.

Liverpool fans are really clutching at straws now. They claim each and every of their players world class. Firstly Stevie me is world class which he hasn't been for 3 years now, then Agger and Skrtel are world class, last season Johnson and Enrique were world class, Carroll had everything in him to reach a world class level. Yet they finished below Everton.

He is not world class, to say he is at the level of Messi, Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Falcao, even Zlatan, is nothing short of laughable.

Where would Liverpool be without Suarez? More than likely bottom half of the ta...oh...awkward

Stretty, you'll find some of the Manu fans also think he's world class.

Let it go lad, you've exposed yourself.


Exposed myself for what?

Not agreeing he's world class and having valid reasons for thinking so.

P off you knobbb