Two totally different things. Ronaldo was being booed for his arrogance.
He was booed for the World Cup wink.
What are you on about?
Mata - form is good this year. Hs good players around him
Hazard - what do you want me to say? Is he performing better than Suarez at club/country level... Absolutely not
Rooney - good one
RVP - took 5 years before anyone thought he was a top class player. Has never really performed at international level.
Toure - strong, athletic and class. Different type of player to Suarez.
Aguero - plays with some class players but still not as skillful, intelligent than Suarez who produces for club and country.
Tevez - class, like aguero and toure but all compliment eachother. Suarez outperforms them as an individual.
Alls you've done is picked the best players from teams that are above Liverpool - but that's a terrible way of presenting your argument.
Is Cleverly or Milner better than Modric, Felliani etc ?
No... Didn't think so
He has picked players with better ability, that is all. I also don't know why Liverpool fans keep bring up his record with Uruguay. First of all he was absolutely pants at the Olympics. Secondly, International record does not prove anything, Ronaldo is pants at International level, the likes of Robbie Keane and David Healy have great records despite playing for terrible football nations. Really don't see what Scousers' infatuations with International level is, especially when you consider there was once a time they place Gerrard alongside Zidane.
comment by Metro_ (U6770)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't consider him to be as effective as Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Falcao
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So there are only 5 world class players in your opinion
Maybe 10, we are talking 'world class' the elite of footballers, right?
I don't think every good footballer at a big club counts as world class.
The subjective nature of football means it is nearly impossible to get a general consensus on world class. People have different definitions. The attributes required to be a good footballer are so vast it is extremely difficult to compare even similar footballers. Also given the variable nature of form, it is extremely difficult. No player is world class throughout their career. The best example is Torres, during his first two seasons at Liverpool I would argue he was world class, definitely not now. Michael Owen was a world class goal scorer during his earlier career, but didn't offer much else, was he world class?
The quality of the team and league also impacts things. Certain players fit styles but fail i others, e.g. Carroll. For what it's worth, I would't class Suarez as world class, his form has been wonderful this season and if he continues he will certainly push for that tag. I would also argue that RVP currently is given his form and record over 2/3 seasons. Prior to that he wasn't, due to injures, had the potential but fitness to me is the most important attribute, any player who consistently is out cannot be termed world lass imho.
To me the most interesting player to argue about is Rooney. Clearly an excellent player and when on top form he is almost unplayable. However, in my eyes he is somewhat inconsistent, he has purple patches but then will go long spells not scoring, to me I'm not sure that can be defined as world class.
As for Falcao, world class in spain undoubtedly, but how would he adapt to the different styles of play in the PL? I think he'd do great but you can never tell, look at Schevchenko
macca, agree with pretty much everything you said.
re Falcao, well there really is no way to tell but you would think a player of his ability would be a success no matter where they play. I'm sure our questions will be answered in Jan.
Well I've only seen him play Chelsea, he scored a hat trick in 40 minutes if I remember currently
Olivier, I agree, I think he has the attributes to be an awesome player in this league, will be gutted if Chelsea sign him.
Take a look at this masterpiece from Sir Robert Paisley -
"Quite clearly Suarez is a better player.
RVP is a clinical finisher but that's about it.
Suarez is far more talented................"
Looks inevitable Torres will go in exchange. Falcao isn't cup tied in the CL so I can definitely see Chelsea signing him.
Busby, watched him in the europa league final, he was an absolute beast, strong, quick and can seemingly score from anywhere. Handsome too.
<bastard>
The fact that a fool like yourself disagrees just confirms the validity of my post
Cheers......
"Aguero - plays with some class players but still not as skillful, intelligent than Suarez who produces for club and country."
Oh my word.
Paisley now believes what he has written. What a clown
From the díckwad that thinks Neymar is world class.
Classic.........
If Suarez is better than RVP then even Neymar is world class. Now Neymar is infinitely better than Suarez. PHAKHT!!
Mata - form is good this year. Hs good players around him
Hazard - what do you want me to say? Is he performing better than Suarez at club/country level... Absolutely not
Rooney - good one
RVP - took 5 years before anyone thought he was a top class player. Has never really performed at international level.
Toure - strong, athletic and class. Different type of player to Suarez.
Aguero - plays with some class players but still not as skillful, intelligent than Suarez who produces for club and country.
Tevez - class, like aguero and toure but all compliment eachother. Suarez outperforms them as an individual.
Alls you've done is picked the best players from teams that are above Liverpool - but that's a terrible way of presenting your argument.
Is Cleverly or Milner better than Modric, Felliani etc ?
No... Didn't think so
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No they aren't. But the players I have chosen are clearly better than Suarez.
Rooney has been the most consultant player in the pl over the last decade.
I'd say even Berbatov is better than Suarez.
comment by Sir Robert Paisley says(U3823)
posted on 4/9/11
Better than
rooney..........Yes
Messi...........not better at the moment.
ronaldo........not better at the moment.
xavi..............probably
innesta........???.....if you mean iniesta then yes.
He's without doubt world class and your saying he isn't in the top 5 in the world just showsw you are a fool.
"What is world class" a tedious semantic argument, where an individual's argument will differ from another persons.
What I have noticed is the reaction of certain supporters with their attitude to Luis Suarez, they just can't find it within themselves to admit what a prodigiously talented player he is.
The manner in which his world cup and in particular his copa america exploits have simply been dismissed is pathetic.
He may not be as good as certain players in world football, but in terms of effectiveness me he is probably behind only Van Persie in terms of striker/forwards in England. I would place him alongside Aguero in second place, ahead of the likes of Rooney and Tevez.
PL strikers better than Suarez - RVP, Rooney, Hernandez, Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko, Balotelli, Podolski, Defoe, Ade, Long, Odemwingie, Berbatov, Fletcher, Holt, Jelavic, Ba, Cisse, Crouch. PHAKHT!!!
have noticed is the reaction of certain supporters with their attitude to Luis Suarez, they just can't find it within themselves to admit what a prodigiously talented player he is.
Talent is not the be all and end all. If it was berbatov would be the best in the league. Other factors need to be considered when judging a player.
Gobbling, go and have a lie down son.
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posted on 18/11/12
Two totally different things. Ronaldo was being booed for his arrogance.
He was booed for the World Cup wink.
What are you on about?
posted on 18/11/12
Mata - form is good this year. Hs good players around him
Hazard - what do you want me to say? Is he performing better than Suarez at club/country level... Absolutely not
Rooney - good one
RVP - took 5 years before anyone thought he was a top class player. Has never really performed at international level.
Toure - strong, athletic and class. Different type of player to Suarez.
Aguero - plays with some class players but still not as skillful, intelligent than Suarez who produces for club and country.
Tevez - class, like aguero and toure but all compliment eachother. Suarez outperforms them as an individual.
Alls you've done is picked the best players from teams that are above Liverpool - but that's a terrible way of presenting your argument.
Is Cleverly or Milner better than Modric, Felliani etc ?
No... Didn't think so
posted on 18/11/12
He has picked players with better ability, that is all. I also don't know why Liverpool fans keep bring up his record with Uruguay. First of all he was absolutely pants at the Olympics. Secondly, International record does not prove anything, Ronaldo is pants at International level, the likes of Robbie Keane and David Healy have great records despite playing for terrible football nations. Really don't see what Scousers' infatuations with International level is, especially when you consider there was once a time they place Gerrard alongside Zidane.
posted on 18/11/12
comment by Metro_ (U6770)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't consider him to be as effective as Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Falcao
....
So there are only 5 world class players in your opinion
Maybe 10, we are talking 'world class' the elite of footballers, right?
I don't think every good footballer at a big club counts as world class.
posted on 18/11/12
The subjective nature of football means it is nearly impossible to get a general consensus on world class. People have different definitions. The attributes required to be a good footballer are so vast it is extremely difficult to compare even similar footballers. Also given the variable nature of form, it is extremely difficult. No player is world class throughout their career. The best example is Torres, during his first two seasons at Liverpool I would argue he was world class, definitely not now. Michael Owen was a world class goal scorer during his earlier career, but didn't offer much else, was he world class?
The quality of the team and league also impacts things. Certain players fit styles but fail i others, e.g. Carroll. For what it's worth, I would't class Suarez as world class, his form has been wonderful this season and if he continues he will certainly push for that tag. I would also argue that RVP currently is given his form and record over 2/3 seasons. Prior to that he wasn't, due to injures, had the potential but fitness to me is the most important attribute, any player who consistently is out cannot be termed world lass imho.
To me the most interesting player to argue about is Rooney. Clearly an excellent player and when on top form he is almost unplayable. However, in my eyes he is somewhat inconsistent, he has purple patches but then will go long spells not scoring, to me I'm not sure that can be defined as world class.
As for Falcao, world class in spain undoubtedly, but how would he adapt to the different styles of play in the PL? I think he'd do great but you can never tell, look at Schevchenko
posted on 18/11/12
macca, agree with pretty much everything you said.
re Falcao, well there really is no way to tell but you would think a player of his ability would be a success no matter where they play. I'm sure our questions will be answered in Jan.
posted on 18/11/12
Well I've only seen him play Chelsea, he scored a hat trick in 40 minutes if I remember currently
posted on 18/11/12
Olivier, I agree, I think he has the attributes to be an awesome player in this league, will be gutted if Chelsea sign him.
posted on 18/11/12
Take a look at this masterpiece from Sir Robert Paisley -
"Quite clearly Suarez is a better player.
RVP is a clinical finisher but that's about it.
Suarez is far more talented................"
posted on 18/11/12
Looks inevitable Torres will go in exchange. Falcao isn't cup tied in the CL so I can definitely see Chelsea signing him.
posted on 18/11/12
Busby, watched him in the europa league final, he was an absolute beast, strong, quick and can seemingly score from anywhere. Handsome too.
<bastard>
posted on 18/11/12
The fact that a fool like yourself disagrees just confirms the validity of my post
Cheers......
posted on 18/11/12
"Aguero - plays with some class players but still not as skillful, intelligent than Suarez who produces for club and country."
Oh my word.
posted on 18/11/12
Paisley now believes what he has written. What a clown
posted on 18/11/12
From the díckwad that thinks Neymar is world class.
Classic.........
posted on 18/11/12
If Suarez is better than RVP then even Neymar is world class. Now Neymar is infinitely better than Suarez. PHAKHT!!
posted on 18/11/12
Mata - form is good this year. Hs good players around him
Hazard - what do you want me to say? Is he performing better than Suarez at club/country level... Absolutely not
Rooney - good one
RVP - took 5 years before anyone thought he was a top class player. Has never really performed at international level.
Toure - strong, athletic and class. Different type of player to Suarez.
Aguero - plays with some class players but still not as skillful, intelligent than Suarez who produces for club and country.
Tevez - class, like aguero and toure but all compliment eachother. Suarez outperforms them as an individual.
Alls you've done is picked the best players from teams that are above Liverpool - but that's a terrible way of presenting your argument.
Is Cleverly or Milner better than Modric, Felliani etc ?
No... Didn't think so
----------
No they aren't. But the players I have chosen are clearly better than Suarez.
Rooney has been the most consultant player in the pl over the last decade.
posted on 18/11/12
I'd say even Berbatov is better than Suarez.
posted on 18/11/12
comment by Sir Robert Paisley says(U3823)
posted on 4/9/11
Better than
rooney..........Yes
Messi...........not better at the moment.
ronaldo........not better at the moment.
xavi..............probably
innesta........???.....if you mean iniesta then yes.
He's without doubt world class and your saying he isn't in the top 5 in the world just showsw you are a fool.
posted on 18/11/12
Consistent.
posted on 18/11/12
"What is world class" a tedious semantic argument, where an individual's argument will differ from another persons.
What I have noticed is the reaction of certain supporters with their attitude to Luis Suarez, they just can't find it within themselves to admit what a prodigiously talented player he is.
The manner in which his world cup and in particular his copa america exploits have simply been dismissed is pathetic.
He may not be as good as certain players in world football, but in terms of effectiveness me he is probably behind only Van Persie in terms of striker/forwards in England. I would place him alongside Aguero in second place, ahead of the likes of Rooney and Tevez.
posted on 18/11/12
PL strikers better than Suarez - RVP, Rooney, Hernandez, Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko, Balotelli, Podolski, Defoe, Ade, Long, Odemwingie, Berbatov, Fletcher, Holt, Jelavic, Ba, Cisse, Crouch. PHAKHT!!!
posted on 18/11/12
have noticed is the reaction of certain supporters with their attitude to Luis Suarez, they just can't find it within themselves to admit what a prodigiously talented player he is.
Talent is not the be all and end all. If it was berbatov would be the best in the league. Other factors need to be considered when judging a player.
posted on 18/11/12
Ok Goblin
posted on 18/11/12
Gobbling, go and have a lie down son.
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