Fish and chips
Look where the topic has descended.
Agree about Rooney being behind Aguero, RVP etc. Just not quite in the same league unfortunately. They are technically better strikers.
Parker does not have a good touch. He spends half the time chasing after it, it's why stats show he covers more ground than most players in the league.
comment by Red Rob is a Paul Heyman Guy (U9808)
posted 6 minutes ago
VC
Wilshere didn't move clubs though.
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And what difference do you think it would make?
You either have the talent or you don't. Henderson was 21, not a kid in nappies.
If anything affected Henderson it was the size of the fee, compared to his ability, not the status (which you over exagerated, by the way) of Liverpool.
Dubbed
Have you ever thought that playing football at 90mph and having a decent touch (which a lot of players have) takes great skill?
Play the world cup in an English winter (which is when football was invented to play) and see how well England play.
its pretty sad really that certain fans want a massive influx of foreign players at utd.
utd are a club that throughout their history have brought players through their youth system from the babes to the fledglings.
comment by duncanedwards-legend (U11713)
posted 6 seconds ago
As long as British players don't improve their first touch and close control there is no hope. Most of them have the touch of an rapist including the best player Rooney.
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thats b o l l o x if ever ive heard it.
players like cole, ferdinand, fowler werent blessed with a great first touch and natural technical ability, but they certainly knew how to find the net.
the reason they knew how to find the net was because there wasnt the amount of top foreign players over here at the time, so they were given their chance.
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That's a bit of a contradiction.
The introduction of foreign players means they have brought good close control and touch to the EPL. They have displaced the English players, who lack this good control and touch...
Barzagli is so woefully under praised for his abilities. Italy easily have the best defence in Europe.
They are technically better strikers.
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Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart.
Darren
To be fair to Parker, he actually does have a great first touch. I've seen him receive the ball countless times and stop it dead on a sixpence. He is far from a great player and can accept many criticisms of him but a poor first touch is not one of them!
That's a bit of a contradiction.
The introduction of foreign players means they have brought good close control and touch to the EPL. They have displaced the English players, who lack this good control and touch...
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not really mate, the otiginal post was why english players dont hit 20 goals a season anymore, and thats why.
back 10 15 years ago the technically better foreigners werent as prominent, so therefore the english players got their chances compared to now.
They are technically better strikers.
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Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart.
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I would say Aguero and RVP play thier hearts out.
Heart will only take you so far
Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart.
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All strikers have a heart.
"Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart."
True. But this is not boxing cuz.
Agreed, SKA.
Rob, I admire your staunch defence of English players but saying Parker has a good first touch is simply not true.
Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart.
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I don't know what that's supposed to mean exactly, as Aguero and RVP show heart and work very hard. Are you talking about Rooney tracking back more here? As I say they are technically better 'strikers' and tracking back isn't a component of being a striker.
Why is it sad to want more foreign players playing for United?
United have traditionally had a British spine. Fine. Every British club had.
But nowadays every club has started tapping the foreign market especially during the last decade and they have found that foreign players especially latinos have way more skill, flags and technical ability than British players.
I want United to sign as many foreign players (apart from defenders as british efenders generally are very good) since they are much better than British Counterparts who struggle to even control a footbal and want to play 100mph football.
"Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart."
True. But this is not boxing cuz.
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dont dismiss it so easily.
one thing you do find with a lot of foreign players is when things dont go their way their whole body language changes and you may aswell have 10 men on the pitch.
regardless of whether a player like rooney or gerrard is having a bad game or not, you will still get that commitment and desire from them to compete.
I don't want technically sound players. I want to see us kick, punch and claw our way to our second world cup trophy.
Scott Parker at his best
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1340134374112.gif
Its good to have a "heart", I know what he is trying to say.
But a lot of foreign players show hunger and desire.
Its good to have a British spine, but all the top teams are doing so well because of thier foreign players.
All the players that play in PL have to have a good first touch especially midfielders.
The best first touch of an English player used to be Rooney but some how his touch has got worse as he increased his goal scoring. I think there isn't an English player with an excellent first touch to be honest that's comparable to the foreign players.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Agreed, SKA.
Rob, I admire your staunch defence of English players but saying Parker has a good first touch is simply not true.
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My Spurs bias aside, Parker gets a bit of unfair stick for his technical limitations. He isn't a great passer, tru, but he never tries to pass it very far. In fact he rarely loses the ball as he will always choose a simple pass.
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posted on 8/1/13
Fish and chips
Look where the topic has descended.
posted on 8/1/13
Agree about Rooney being behind Aguero, RVP etc. Just not quite in the same league unfortunately. They are technically better strikers.
posted on 8/1/13
Parker does not have a good touch. He spends half the time chasing after it, it's why stats show he covers more ground than most players in the league.
posted on 8/1/13
comment by Red Rob is a Paul Heyman Guy (U9808)
posted 6 minutes ago
VC
Wilshere didn't move clubs though.
..............
And what difference do you think it would make?
You either have the talent or you don't. Henderson was 21, not a kid in nappies.
If anything affected Henderson it was the size of the fee, compared to his ability, not the status (which you over exagerated, by the way) of Liverpool.
posted on 8/1/13
Dubbed
Have you ever thought that playing football at 90mph and having a decent touch (which a lot of players have) takes great skill?
Play the world cup in an English winter (which is when football was invented to play) and see how well England play.
posted on 8/1/13
posted on 8/1/13
its pretty sad really that certain fans want a massive influx of foreign players at utd.
utd are a club that throughout their history have brought players through their youth system from the babes to the fledglings.
posted on 8/1/13
comment by duncanedwards-legend (U11713)
posted 6 seconds ago
As long as British players don't improve their first touch and close control there is no hope. Most of them have the touch of an rapist including the best player Rooney.
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thats b o l l o x if ever ive heard it.
players like cole, ferdinand, fowler werent blessed with a great first touch and natural technical ability, but they certainly knew how to find the net.
the reason they knew how to find the net was because there wasnt the amount of top foreign players over here at the time, so they were given their chance.
-------------------------
That's a bit of a contradiction.
The introduction of foreign players means they have brought good close control and touch to the EPL. They have displaced the English players, who lack this good control and touch...
posted on 8/1/13
Barzagli is so woefully under praised for his abilities. Italy easily have the best defence in Europe.
posted on 8/1/13
They are technically better strikers.
...............
Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart.
posted on 8/1/13
Darren
To be fair to Parker, he actually does have a great first touch. I've seen him receive the ball countless times and stop it dead on a sixpence. He is far from a great player and can accept many criticisms of him but a poor first touch is not one of them!
posted on 8/1/13
That's a bit of a contradiction.
The introduction of foreign players means they have brought good close control and touch to the EPL. They have displaced the English players, who lack this good control and touch...
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not really mate, the otiginal post was why english players dont hit 20 goals a season anymore, and thats why.
back 10 15 years ago the technically better foreigners werent as prominent, so therefore the english players got their chances compared to now.
posted on 8/1/13
They are technically better strikers.
...............
Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart.
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I would say Aguero and RVP play thier hearts out.
posted on 8/1/13
Heart will only take you so far
posted on 8/1/13
Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart.
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All strikers have a heart.
posted on 8/1/13
"Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart."
True. But this is not boxing cuz.
posted on 8/1/13
Agreed, SKA.
Rob, I admire your staunch defence of English players but saying Parker has a good first touch is simply not true.
posted on 8/1/13
Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart.
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I don't know what that's supposed to mean exactly, as Aguero and RVP show heart and work very hard. Are you talking about Rooney tracking back more here? As I say they are technically better 'strikers' and tracking back isn't a component of being a striker.
posted on 8/1/13
Why is it sad to want more foreign players playing for United?
United have traditionally had a British spine. Fine. Every British club had.
But nowadays every club has started tapping the foreign market especially during the last decade and they have found that foreign players especially latinos have way more skill, flags and technical ability than British players.
I want United to sign as many foreign players (apart from defenders as british efenders generally are very good) since they are much better than British Counterparts who struggle to even control a footbal and want to play 100mph football.
posted on 8/1/13
"Yes, there are. But Rooney has something these technically superior strikers don't have, called heart."
True. But this is not boxing cuz.
------------
dont dismiss it so easily.
one thing you do find with a lot of foreign players is when things dont go their way their whole body language changes and you may aswell have 10 men on the pitch.
regardless of whether a player like rooney or gerrard is having a bad game or not, you will still get that commitment and desire from them to compete.
posted on 8/1/13
I don't want technically sound players. I want to see us kick, punch and claw our way to our second world cup trophy.
posted on 8/1/13
Scott Parker at his best
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/1340134374112.gif
posted on 8/1/13
Its good to have a "heart", I know what he is trying to say.
But a lot of foreign players show hunger and desire.
Its good to have a British spine, but all the top teams are doing so well because of thier foreign players.
posted on 8/1/13
All the players that play in PL have to have a good first touch especially midfielders.
The best first touch of an English player used to be Rooney but some how his touch has got worse as he increased his goal scoring. I think there isn't an English player with an excellent first touch to be honest that's comparable to the foreign players.
posted on 8/1/13
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Agreed, SKA.
Rob, I admire your staunch defence of English players but saying Parker has a good first touch is simply not true.
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My Spurs bias aside, Parker gets a bit of unfair stick for his technical limitations. He isn't a great passer, tru, but he never tries to pass it very far. In fact he rarely loses the ball as he will always choose a simple pass.
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