I think Suarez has anger issues. The club should help him with maybe some anger management? Instead of just dishing out punishments and getting rid of him (which solves nothing), I think the club should try sorting him out.
He takes the game too seriously IMO. I don't want him to lose the drive though.
Look his wife knows him better than anybody on here and recently Suarez said that she had asked him to stop being so angry on the pitch. He has a problem here, obviously.
Also I think there's an employment law which means your employer has to attempt to help you before sacking you. I know that was the case with one of my workers a few years back. He came to work drunk a few times and we had to offer him help with the AA before we could sack him.
Morality, in fact, can play quite a part when weighing up the options to terminate a contract - especially if an anticipatory or fundamental breach is committed and the aggrieved party do not terminate the contract.
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Morality has nothing to do with contract. The rules are clearly stated and it's made clear to parties that certain breach of contract would result in contract termination.
They don't usually weigh up morality before deciding to terminate contract.
"I think Suarez has anger issues. The club should help him with maybe some anger management? Instead of just dishing out punishments and getting rid of him (which solves nothing), I think the club should try sorting him out."
Well, if they ain't selling him then his actions need addressing. If his anger is that bad I'm surprised that this hasn't been picked up already, and if it has then he should already be receiving help. He has let the club down far to many times, and a golden boot for each foot doesn't excuse that IMO.
TOOR
Pretty sure most players are self employed - setup an LTD company, pay yourself a salary from it and "invest" the rest into the company for "tax relief" purposes. It would be up to your employer (the LTD company) who would have to provide the help, not your contractor.
And how do you know he was faking it?
Behave, it was so obvious it's was embarrassing.
Exactly TOOR, this Alassmith guy is wound up Liverpool fans are not condoning/defending the action.
Liverpool fans are playing down the severity of his actions. It was an unprovoked attack, and he deserves more than a 3 match ban. I know what he did in Holland shouldn't have a bearing on this case,but he obviously doesn't learn from his past discrepancies.
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} (U1661)
posted 10 minutes ago
I think Suarez has anger issues.
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His issues are far deeper than anger ones.
I can get angry with the incompetence of some of the people I work with, but I haven't tried to have any of them for lunch.
As for off the pitch, to my knowledge, his behaviour is impeccable, which lets face it, is where it really matters, where the real person shows throug
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that is laughable
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Is it really? Please explain why. You think the real Suarez is the person you see on the pitch? I think you've let football take over your life. You're like one of those role playing geeks, who don't know the difference between fantasy and reality. If Suarez acted like he did on the pitch, whilst he was off it, he'd be in jail by now, simple. Football is its own little bubble, where normal rules don't apply. In many competitive sports, the elite are completely different people when they're competing, ask those closest to them.
Not quite sure why you find this so laughable, seems pretty obvious to me...
comment by Alassmithandjones (U15157) posted 1 minute ago
And how do you know he was faking it?
Behave, it was so obvious it's was embarrassing.
Exactly TOOR, this Alassmith guy is wound up Liverpool fans are not condoning/defending the action.
Liverpool fans are playing down the severity of his actions. It was an unprovoked attack, and he deserves more than a 3 match ban. I know what he did in Holland shouldn't have a bearing on this case,but he obviously doesn't learn from his past discrepancies.
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I'm going to delete your comments where you say any of the lies such as, Liverpool fans are condoning or Liverpool fans are playing it down. Every Liverpool fan I have seen has said Suarez was out of order and should be punished. Stop lying you giant tw at.
I can get angry with the incompetence of some of the people I work with, but I haven't tried to have any of them for lunch.
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I'm guessing you don't wotk with any fit birds then
I think The FA should allow him to play on. This should keep him in check
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=suarez+hannibal&sa=X&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4SKPT_enGB426GB426&biw=936&bih=492&tbm=isch&tbnid=RLqbQtQh3tnUAM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sport.ba/druga-strana-sporta/suarez-hannibal-i-prije-je-ujedao-igrace/&docid=DfYkzhvxWM1rBM&imgurl=http://www.sport.ba/assets/uploads/2013/04/suarez-504x300.jpg&w=504&h=300&ei=FEZ1Udz7Gaz20gWAoYCAAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=598&vpy=70&dur=328&hovh=173&hovw=291&tx=178&ty=92&page=1&tbnh=150&tbnw=252&start=0&ndsp=9&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:100
comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 3 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} (U1661)
posted 10 minutes ago
I think Suarez has anger issues.
.........................
His issues are far deeper than anger ones.
I can get angry with the incompetence of some of the people I work with, but I haven't tried to have any of them for lunch.
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I remember being a child and when I got angry, my teeth clenched and I wanted to bite something. I honestly think Suarez is childlike on the pitch.
Still now when I get angry, I am not in control of myself. I think Suarez has issues with anger, I've said it before, he's angry on the pitch. His wife agrees and let's face it, she knows him more than anybody.
Liverpool fans are playing down the severity of his actions. It was an unprovoked attack, and he deserves more than a 3 match ban.
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It doesn't matter it the act was provoked/not. It was a very bad one and should rightfully receive a ban from the FA.
Vidicschin
You'd be shocked to see what anger could do to people. Some people would actually do some really bad violent acts and then regret afterwards, when they've calmed down.
Fair article TOOR
But do liverpool fans now look on the evra incident in a different light and concede that Evra wasnt lying about it.
comment by UnitedRedMacca- Clevshere for the 2014 WC (U2024) posted 1 minute ago
I think The FA should allow him to play on. This should keep him in check
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=suarez+hannibal&sa=X&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4SKPT_enGB426GB426&biw=936&bih=492&tbm=isch&tbnid=RLqbQtQh3tnUAM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sport.ba/druga-strana-sporta/suarez-hannibal-i-prije-je-ujedao-igrace/&docid=DfYkzhvxWM1rBM&imgurl=http://www.sport.ba/assets/uploads/2013/04/suarez-504x300.jpg&w=504&h=300&ei=FEZ1Udz7Gaz20gWAoYCAAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=598&vpy=70&dur=328&hovh=173&hovw=291&tx=178&ty=92&page=1&tbnh=150&tbnw=252&start=0&ndsp=9&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:100
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Why do you think Torres wears one?
comment by blabla (U11635) posted 10 seconds ago
Fair article TOOR
But do liverpool fans now look on the evra incident in a different light and concede that Evra wasnt lying about it.
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I still feel exactly the same as I did, I don't agree with the ban, nor such cases being decided by people not qualified, with a low burden of proof.
If there was evidence, like yesterday, then I'd agree with it. There isn't so I never will.
{honestlivpool~five~times}
"Morality has nothing to do with contract."
I didn't say it did I said morality comes into the decision to terminate a contract. If you say "I know he just got done for rape, but we can't afford to lose him, so we'll keep him on" - that decision is immoral. On the other hand "He has raped someone and no matter what he has done in the past, and as much as we previously loved him & even though it will cost us, this means we can't keep him" - this decision is morally sound. As I previously stated, acting against the terms of your contract doesn't suddenly terminate it, the other party(ies) must still reach this decision, it simply provides termination as a viable, legal option. It would be foolish not to weigh up every conceivable eventuality and possibility before taking action; in particular that of a prized contract.
Thats not what I asked you TOOR
Fair article TOOR
But do liverpool fans now look on the evra incident in a different light and concede that Evra wasnt lying about it.
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Would you like us a bit more if we did?
Sorry to disappoint you , I still think Evra over exaggerated the whole thing to get Suarez in trouble..
comment by blabla (U11635) posted 1 minute ago
Thats not what I asked you TOOR
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Well I could never say that Evra was lying 100% anyhow. I feel after reading the report that both Saurez and Evra lied. So yeah, I still feel he lied regardless of what happened yesterday.
"But do liverpool fans now look on the evra incident in a different light and concede that Evra wasnt lying about it."
Absolutely not. Suarez actions yesterday are mutually exclusive to the Evra case. PROVE it and everyone of us will hold our hands up and apologise. It is a sad state of affairs when you punish someone because they "probably" did something, possibly, maybe.
Didnt dissappoint me honest-five
Just the reply I expected....
I didn't say it did I said morality comes into the decision to terminate a contract.
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It doesn't.
Rules are clearly written and you're warned of contract termination if you breach the contract. Morality doesn't come into it.
I'm sure a contract would be automatically terminated if a player's done for rape. Not for a moral judge to decide how bad and if it would lead to contract termination.
But do liverpool fans now look on the evra incident in a different light and concede that Evra wasnt lying about it.
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Funny you ask that
I was told by one poster that If Suarez was judged by the courts then he would have been jailed for his bite
I like how people want to use the official judicial system for this example but not the Evra one - I wonder why ?
The Evra saga had more holes than Luke Chadwicks left cheek !
It doesn't matter it the act was provoked/not.
It does tho. When Defoe bit Mascherano,he'd been taken from behind (he doesn't enjoy it like Toor and Terminator). So even tho I don't agree with what he done,there was reasoning behind it. There was no such provocation from Branislav,which makes Suarez a fooking screwball.
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posted on 22/4/13
I think Suarez has anger issues. The club should help him with maybe some anger management? Instead of just dishing out punishments and getting rid of him (which solves nothing), I think the club should try sorting him out.
He takes the game too seriously IMO. I don't want him to lose the drive though.
posted on 22/4/13
Look his wife knows him better than anybody on here and recently Suarez said that she had asked him to stop being so angry on the pitch. He has a problem here, obviously.
posted on 22/4/13
Also I think there's an employment law which means your employer has to attempt to help you before sacking you. I know that was the case with one of my workers a few years back. He came to work drunk a few times and we had to offer him help with the AA before we could sack him.
posted on 22/4/13
Morality, in fact, can play quite a part when weighing up the options to terminate a contract - especially if an anticipatory or fundamental breach is committed and the aggrieved party do not terminate the contract.
======================================
Morality has nothing to do with contract. The rules are clearly stated and it's made clear to parties that certain breach of contract would result in contract termination.
They don't usually weigh up morality before deciding to terminate contract.
posted on 22/4/13
"I think Suarez has anger issues. The club should help him with maybe some anger management? Instead of just dishing out punishments and getting rid of him (which solves nothing), I think the club should try sorting him out."
Well, if they ain't selling him then his actions need addressing. If his anger is that bad I'm surprised that this hasn't been picked up already, and if it has then he should already be receiving help. He has let the club down far to many times, and a golden boot for each foot doesn't excuse that IMO.
TOOR
Pretty sure most players are self employed - setup an LTD company, pay yourself a salary from it and "invest" the rest into the company for "tax relief" purposes. It would be up to your employer (the LTD company) who would have to provide the help, not your contractor.
posted on 22/4/13
And how do you know he was faking it?
Behave, it was so obvious it's was embarrassing.
Exactly TOOR, this Alassmith guy is wound up Liverpool fans are not condoning/defending the action.
Liverpool fans are playing down the severity of his actions. It was an unprovoked attack, and he deserves more than a 3 match ban. I know what he did in Holland shouldn't have a bearing on this case,but he obviously doesn't learn from his past discrepancies.
posted on 22/4/13
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} (U1661)
posted 10 minutes ago
I think Suarez has anger issues.
.........................
His issues are far deeper than anger ones.
I can get angry with the incompetence of some of the people I work with, but I haven't tried to have any of them for lunch.
posted on 22/4/13
As for off the pitch, to my knowledge, his behaviour is impeccable, which lets face it, is where it really matters, where the real person shows throug
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that is laughable
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Is it really? Please explain why. You think the real Suarez is the person you see on the pitch? I think you've let football take over your life. You're like one of those role playing geeks, who don't know the difference between fantasy and reality. If Suarez acted like he did on the pitch, whilst he was off it, he'd be in jail by now, simple. Football is its own little bubble, where normal rules don't apply. In many competitive sports, the elite are completely different people when they're competing, ask those closest to them.
Not quite sure why you find this so laughable, seems pretty obvious to me...
posted on 22/4/13
comment by Alassmithandjones (U15157) posted 1 minute ago
And how do you know he was faking it?
Behave, it was so obvious it's was embarrassing.
Exactly TOOR, this Alassmith guy is wound up Liverpool fans are not condoning/defending the action.
Liverpool fans are playing down the severity of his actions. It was an unprovoked attack, and he deserves more than a 3 match ban. I know what he did in Holland shouldn't have a bearing on this case,but he obviously doesn't learn from his past discrepancies.
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I'm going to delete your comments where you say any of the lies such as, Liverpool fans are condoning or Liverpool fans are playing it down. Every Liverpool fan I have seen has said Suarez was out of order and should be punished. Stop lying you giant tw at.
posted on 22/4/13
I can get angry with the incompetence of some of the people I work with, but I haven't tried to have any of them for lunch.
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I'm guessing you don't wotk with any fit birds then
posted on 22/4/13
I think The FA should allow him to play on. This should keep him in check
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=suarez+hannibal&sa=X&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4SKPT_enGB426GB426&biw=936&bih=492&tbm=isch&tbnid=RLqbQtQh3tnUAM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sport.ba/druga-strana-sporta/suarez-hannibal-i-prije-je-ujedao-igrace/&docid=DfYkzhvxWM1rBM&imgurl=http://www.sport.ba/assets/uploads/2013/04/suarez-504x300.jpg&w=504&h=300&ei=FEZ1Udz7Gaz20gWAoYCAAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=598&vpy=70&dur=328&hovh=173&hovw=291&tx=178&ty=92&page=1&tbnh=150&tbnw=252&start=0&ndsp=9&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:100
posted on 22/4/13
comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 3 minutes ago
comment by {honestlivpool~five~times} (U1661)
posted 10 minutes ago
I think Suarez has anger issues.
.........................
His issues are far deeper than anger ones.
I can get angry with the incompetence of some of the people I work with, but I haven't tried to have any of them for lunch.
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I remember being a child and when I got angry, my teeth clenched and I wanted to bite something. I honestly think Suarez is childlike on the pitch.
Still now when I get angry, I am not in control of myself. I think Suarez has issues with anger, I've said it before, he's angry on the pitch. His wife agrees and let's face it, she knows him more than anybody.
posted on 22/4/13
Liverpool fans are playing down the severity of his actions. It was an unprovoked attack, and he deserves more than a 3 match ban.
===============================
It doesn't matter it the act was provoked/not. It was a very bad one and should rightfully receive a ban from the FA.
Vidicschin
You'd be shocked to see what anger could do to people. Some people would actually do some really bad violent acts and then regret afterwards, when they've calmed down.
posted on 22/4/13
Fair article TOOR
But do liverpool fans now look on the evra incident in a different light and concede that Evra wasnt lying about it.
posted on 22/4/13
comment by UnitedRedMacca- Clevshere for the 2014 WC (U2024) posted 1 minute ago
I think The FA should allow him to play on. This should keep him in check
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=suarez+hannibal&sa=X&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4SKPT_enGB426GB426&biw=936&bih=492&tbm=isch&tbnid=RLqbQtQh3tnUAM:&imgrefurl=http://www.sport.ba/druga-strana-sporta/suarez-hannibal-i-prije-je-ujedao-igrace/&docid=DfYkzhvxWM1rBM&imgurl=http://www.sport.ba/assets/uploads/2013/04/suarez-504x300.jpg&w=504&h=300&ei=FEZ1Udz7Gaz20gWAoYCAAQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=598&vpy=70&dur=328&hovh=173&hovw=291&tx=178&ty=92&page=1&tbnh=150&tbnw=252&start=0&ndsp=9&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:100
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Why do you think Torres wears one?
posted on 22/4/13
comment by blabla (U11635) posted 10 seconds ago
Fair article TOOR
But do liverpool fans now look on the evra incident in a different light and concede that Evra wasnt lying about it.
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I still feel exactly the same as I did, I don't agree with the ban, nor such cases being decided by people not qualified, with a low burden of proof.
If there was evidence, like yesterday, then I'd agree with it. There isn't so I never will.
posted on 22/4/13
{honestlivpool~five~times}
"Morality has nothing to do with contract."
I didn't say it did I said morality comes into the decision to terminate a contract. If you say "I know he just got done for rape, but we can't afford to lose him, so we'll keep him on" - that decision is immoral. On the other hand "He has raped someone and no matter what he has done in the past, and as much as we previously loved him & even though it will cost us, this means we can't keep him" - this decision is morally sound. As I previously stated, acting against the terms of your contract doesn't suddenly terminate it, the other party(ies) must still reach this decision, it simply provides termination as a viable, legal option. It would be foolish not to weigh up every conceivable eventuality and possibility before taking action; in particular that of a prized contract.
posted on 22/4/13
Thats not what I asked you TOOR
posted on 22/4/13
Fair article TOOR
But do liverpool fans now look on the evra incident in a different light and concede that Evra wasnt lying about it.
======================================
Would you like us a bit more if we did?
Sorry to disappoint you , I still think Evra over exaggerated the whole thing to get Suarez in trouble..
posted on 22/4/13
comment by blabla (U11635) posted 1 minute ago
Thats not what I asked you TOOR
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Well I could never say that Evra was lying 100% anyhow. I feel after reading the report that both Saurez and Evra lied. So yeah, I still feel he lied regardless of what happened yesterday.
posted on 22/4/13
"But do liverpool fans now look on the evra incident in a different light and concede that Evra wasnt lying about it."
Absolutely not. Suarez actions yesterday are mutually exclusive to the Evra case. PROVE it and everyone of us will hold our hands up and apologise. It is a sad state of affairs when you punish someone because they "probably" did something, possibly, maybe.
posted on 22/4/13
Didnt dissappoint me honest-five
Just the reply I expected....
posted on 22/4/13
I didn't say it did I said morality comes into the decision to terminate a contract.
================================
It doesn't.
Rules are clearly written and you're warned of contract termination if you breach the contract. Morality doesn't come into it.
I'm sure a contract would be automatically terminated if a player's done for rape. Not for a moral judge to decide how bad and if it would lead to contract termination.
posted on 22/4/13
But do liverpool fans now look on the evra incident in a different light and concede that Evra wasnt lying about it.
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Funny you ask that
I was told by one poster that If Suarez was judged by the courts then he would have been jailed for his bite
I like how people want to use the official judicial system for this example but not the Evra one - I wonder why ?
The Evra saga had more holes than Luke Chadwicks left cheek !
posted on 22/4/13
It doesn't matter it the act was provoked/not.
It does tho. When Defoe bit Mascherano,he'd been taken from behind (he doesn't enjoy it like Toor and Terminator). So even tho I don't agree with what he done,there was reasoning behind it. There was no such provocation from Branislav,which makes Suarez a fooking screwball.
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