comment by Robb : Yep, it's him. (U9808)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 50 seconds ago
Say you were an agency planning it. You would be able to, years in advance, get the plans of the building, the construction materials and associated properties of the materials, and then run 1000s of simulations identifying inherent weaknesses in the structure and architecture.

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Come up with a ball park figure of how many, and who, would have to be 'in the know', to be able to pull this off.

Was any of these conspiracies uncovered by recent whistle blowing, out of interest?

Did Bradley Manning or the Snowden chap uncover any of this in their thousands of leaked documents.

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I very much doubt anything on this scale would be 'filed' in the same areas where the lesser scandals are.
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I'm not saying that it happened but it is quite clearly possible. Look at the complexity of the Stuxnet virus the hit the PLCs in the Iranian power plant.

of course there is, but im sure those who heard them over the hysteria that was going on would have known the difference between a can of lynx and some other kind of big explosion.

it may have been caused by something as simple as gas.

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You'd be surprised - if you've genuinely heard an explosion when you've been close to it. Not quite on the same scale - but when my computer went up, it sounded no different to C4 going off. Regardless of the propellant the only thing that really changes is the scale.

You'd be surprised - if you've genuinely heard an explosion when you've been close to it. Not quite on the same scale - but when my computer went up, it sounded no different to C4 going off. Regardless of the propellant the only thing that really changes is the scale.

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to be fair though jay you were pretty much sat on it in a quiet house

Fair point - but quite honestly, there isn't a day that goes by where I don't hear it again in my head! I've genuinely woken myself up at 3 or 4am because the noise happens in my dream when I open doors and things!

Probably more than I should be admitting to!

comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 8 minutes ago
Say you were an agency planning it. You would be able to, years in advance, get the plans of the building, the construction materials and associated properties of the materials, and then run 1000s of simulations identifying inherent weaknesses in the structure and architecture.

..................

Come up with a ball park figure of how many, and who, would have to be 'in the know', to be able to pull this off.

Was any of these conspiracies uncovered by recent whistle blowing, out of interest?

Did Bradley Manning or the Snowden chap uncover any of this in their thousands of leaked documents.


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Be real!! The Wiki-leaks stuff was just a coverup from the top brass. Take attention away from the real points of concern

probably

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308) posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 8 minutes ago
Say you were an agency planning it. You would be able to, years in advance, get the plans of the building, the construction materials and associated properties of the materials, and then run 1000s of simulations identifying inherent weaknesses in the structure and architecture.

..................

Come up with a ball park figure of how many, and who, would have to be 'in the know', to be able to pull this off.

Was any of these conspiracies uncovered by recent whistle blowing, out of interest?

Did Bradley Manning or the Snowden chap uncover any of this in their thousands of leaked documents.


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Be real!! The Wiki-leaks stuff was just a coverup from the top brass. Take attention away from the real points of concern

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forgot to add

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584) posted 8 minutes ago
Say you were an agency planning it. You would be able to, years in advance, get the plans of the building, the construction materials and associated properties of the materials, and then run 1000s of simulations identifying inherent weaknesses in the structure and architecture.

..................

Come up with a ball park figure of how many, and who, would have to be 'in the know', to be able to pull this off.

Was any of these conspiracies uncovered by recent whistle blowing, out of interest?

Did Bradley Manning or the Snowden chap uncover any of this in their thousands of leaked documents.


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Be real!! The Wiki-leaks stuff was just a coverup from the top brass. Take attention away from the real points of concern
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You are kidding? The Wiki-leaks stuff was a massive sh1tstorm

VC, from what I know of the Bradley Manning disclosures, they are mainly diplomatic cables where US officials are talking frankly - therefore saying things that are politically embarrassing and have to be secret - but they don't include details of special ops, etc. Yet we know there are covert activities on that level, some of which the majority of people accept are necessary for the security of the state.

The Snowdon revelations cover the kind of surveillance the state has been secretly undertaking, and contains no military / security service intelligence.

I do take the point that it is harder to keep a secret these days but I don't think that either of these are a magic bullet to shoot down 9/11 theories. Ultimately, I find it improbable that even a rogue element with the US state would have the audacity to try something like that. It's incredibly risky, when there are other, probably easier, ways of fabricating the need to go to war. But if something like that were organised, it would involve a much smaller, tighter cadre of people who had already demonstrated their loyalty, discretion and probably a fanatical will to do their duty.

That goodness for the wink.

comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 7 minutes ago
Once worked in a building that had loads of Nato restricted stuff.

Despite the security at the gate, someone managed to get their car stereo nicked from the car park and someone else who had forgot their entrance pass managed to flash a slice of toast to the guards to get into the building.
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Can just imagine someone late for work, getting dressed and eating their breakfast whilst driving at the same time. Get to the entrance, realise they've not got their security pass, 'D'oh, I'll just show them a slice of toast, that'll work'. The fat lazy security guard then flashes him a doughnut as an 'OK!, you're in!'

More importantly than all this, did I just see that VC has unfiltered Robb? If we can achieve this, maybe peace in our time is feasible.

i doubt it RR

its a conspiracy

By the way, I was reading about the allegations that the Russian FSB was behind the wave of apartment bombings when Putin was first appointed prime minister. The Chechens were hastily blamed, he launched a war, won popularity, shortly afterwards won the presidential election. He was also head of the FSB prior to becoming PM.

The evidence and bread crumb trails in that one are depressingly convincing. E.g. local police arrested a man planting explosives in the basement of one block of flats in circumstances just like the others. Then the men in black came from Moscow and whisked him away and it was said it had just been a training exercise.

Be real!! The Wiki-leaks stuff was just a coverup from the top brass. Take attention away from the real points of concern

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Either this is a spectacular WUM, or you are not quite dealing from a full deck of cards.

I hope, for your sake you are wumming.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Be real!! The Wiki-leaks stuff was just a coverup from the top brass. Take attention away from the real points of concern

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Either this is a spectacular WUM, or you are not quite dealing from a full deck of cards.

I hope, for your sake you are wumming.
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It was. He added the wink in the next comment.

Doh!!!

Now seen the added wink.

there was a <wink> that followed that

Bloody chechens, never liked prague or staropramen

More importantly than all this, did I just see that VC has unfiltered Robb?

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You are seeing things.

I find it improbable that even a rogue element with the US state would have the audacity to try something like that. It's incredibly risky, when there are other, probably easier, ways of fabricating the need to go to war. But if something like that were organised, it would involve a much smaller, tighter cadre of people who had already demonstrated their loyalty, discretion and probably a fanatical will to do their duty
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I have always said that there were far far easier and less risky ways of 'causing' a need for the start of the war on terror

For starters

Wouldn't one plane, into one tower sufficed? Or even a far less risky venture of simply blowing something up and killing a few of their own? Pinning on AlQaeda wouldn;t have been that difficult

Why would they increase the risk so massively by

Flying a second plane in
Blowing up WTC7 for no reason
Pretenting there was a 4th plane and making up the let's roll strories and silencing every person, the families of every person, colleagues of every person, friends of every person, that were suppoed to be on it

Ditto the imaginary plane that didnt really hit the pentagon

The scale of the cover-up would have had to have been so huge it is not only nigh on immeasrable, it was quite frankly a totally unecessary logistical nightmare

just incase noone mentioned the wink....

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Am I the only who wouldn't be surprised if the likes of McAfee spread viruses so that we all buy their software? Or is that just too tin-hat?

Dunc

are you still miffed with my comment on your gang of
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