I don't know, you'd have to ask him.

It was still a funny thread though. Mainly because it was so believable.

comment by Redinthehead - At least we didnt finish 13th! (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why did he have to doctor them?
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Good point, I could take any number of comments from posters all over these boards and throw them back at them. People say some real stupid shít.

comment by Lexington eins zwei fünf Punkt zwei (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't know, you'd have to ask him.

It was still a funny thread though. Mainly because it was so believable.
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It's believable because right here in this thread we're reading the same type of comments, again.

Life imitating art, Serial.

One poster on this thread, we absolutely all know who, is like a tribute act to the doctored thread. It has to be intentional, and I applaud him for it.

I think if I came to you 9 years ago and asked "would you regard Arsenal not winning a trophy in 9 years an underachievement?" you all would have said yes.

It is good that you have a new stadium though, I'd love one, but from the outside looking in you do get short changed as fans and I think that is the point absolute is trying to make I think.

I'm surprised you don't agree with him tbh. It's pretty obvious. Kneerash makes an excellent point though. If it goes to 11 years then Wenger will have to answer questions.

I think if I came to you 9 years ago and asked "would you regard Arsenal not winning a trophy in 9 years an underachievement?" you all would have said yes.
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If you came in 9 years ago and said that first Chelsea will be bought up by a billionaire who would buy his way into success and then a few years later City will replicate the same method, thus your entire financial planning would be thrown into turmoil if the manager didn't employ some level of fiscal restraint and as a result you wouldn't win a trophy for 9 years until a secure financial base was built, would we have accepted that?

I think the majority would have said yes. It's quite a simple concept really. Long term stability >> Short term gain. Well, simple for a proper fan, anyway.

I don't know why you're all ignoring theabsokutetruth's comments, as I feel they're fairly spot on for the most part.

How can you justify paying the highest prices in the world when you're not winning anything? Clubs normally justify high prices because you're watching a successful team.

Also find it funny how much everyone's defending Arsène, when I bet if I looked through their histories at least 50% of them will have made the traditional annual Wenger out comments for the last few years

^but serial, the whole point of getting the top 4 is to give you the money to buy better players so you can push for a higher place. As has already been said, according to Wenger and your board you've had money to spend for the past few years and not done so whilst selling your best players... whose fault is that ? certainly doesn't fit your "were poor" story...

but serial, the whole point of getting the top 4 is to give you the money to buy better players so you can push for a higher place
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Exactly. That is, if you have the financial stability to move on and build a new squad. We made the decision more than 10 years ago to move to a bigger stadium which would provide a better base to build our squad.

No one is saying that mistakes haven't been made. The boards initial commercial deal was a joke. A pittance of an investment since the need to cahs injection was urgent.

No one is absolving Wenger of his past mistakes. I still think he isn't the man he was and for us to move on we need a fresh outlook on the squad.

But no one can doubt his intentions and what he has for this club. 10 years ago we had a title winning squad, but not the base to build for the long term. We needed to build a club of the long term strength of a United, or a Bayern. That doesn't take 9 years.

I dont see how winning a trophy is how EVERYTHING is measure.

Football is a business and the old fashioned romantic idea of a chairman spending his own money has long gone. The fans may want it to return to the good old days.....

Arsenal, United and Liverpool are money making machines. The owners dont care about trophies.....they care about ROI.

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Trophies are something you can look back in and celebrate. Whilst reaching top 4 is considered a 'success', it's not the kind of thing you can look back on fondly unless you're a spurs fan

I guess it depends on the mentality of the club. As a Liverpool fan I want to be winning trophies. As an everton fan for example reaching too 4 is probably the pinnacle of what you can expect

Serial;

If you came in 9 years ago and said that first Chelsea will be bought up by a billionaire who would buy his way into success and then a few years later City will replicate the same method, thus your entire financial planning would be thrown into turmoil if the manager didn't employ some level of fiscal restraint and as a result you wouldn't win a trophy for 9 years until a secure financial base was built, would we have accepted that?
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That's fine but many other clubs have maintained financial control whilst winning something and none of those charge the prices that Arsenal do.

That's his point and one that, to be fair, people are not addressing. It's not acceptable for a club of Arsenals size to go a decade without winning something. In fact it's odd.

I guess it depends on the mentality of the club. As a Liverpool fan I want to be winning trophies.
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Come on Brennie, let's not be silly. Every fan of every club wants to be winning trophies. We're not accountants, we're fans. The Ultimate aim for every club should be to win silverware. The onyl point we're trying to make is, it's far better to build yourself a stable basis in which you can aim to win many trophies over a course of a greater span of time. Wigan, Birmingham, Swansea have all won more trophies than Arsenal over the course of the last decade. Would you rather be in their shoes or Arsenals?


That's fine but many other clubs have maintained financial control whilst winning something and none of those charge the prices that Arsenal do.
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This is a fair enough point. I know many Arsenal fans would disagree with my views on this, but the ticket costs at the Emirates are beyond ridiculous. Whether a club wins a trophy or not, it should have no bearing as to the ticket costs. The season ticket costs at Arsenal are not justified and beyond the means of most fans, who'd love to watch Arsenal play.

I would, however, disagree with your point that this should be linked to trophies. In fact i'm not sure how anyone can build a logical link between the two. By your statement, are you saying that Arsenal should be winning the Quadruple, just because they charge the highest ticket prices in Europe?

I think they should win more than nothing in a decade.

Trophies are something you can look back in and celebrate. Whilst reaching top 4 is considered a 'success', it's not the kind of thing you can look back on fondly unless you're a spurs fan

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This is true as it really grates on Arsenal fans who have to endure the "8 years "

it doesn't as much as you like to think

comment by Robbing_Hoody - Here, have some goals. You don't have to work for them. They're a gift. That's what we do now. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
I think they should win more than nothing in a decade.
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We should have and we could have. A CL final, two CóC finals. If we never got into that position, i'd be worried.

But considering we've had to endure 10 years of the likes of Eboue, Denilson, Diaby, Squillaci and Co in our squad, i think most of us are looking forwards to the next 10 years in which we finally do have the money to buy top players and compete at the top stage.


This is true as it really grates on Arsenal fans who have to endure the "8 years "
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I've been a fan since 1985. Believe me, i've endured a lot worse than the "8 years without a trophy" jibe.

Balls, from 85 onward you were doing alright. Alan Smith hitting one in off the post for the cup winners cup was also a highlight.

Pretty sure the most remarks were of "boring arsenal" which you didnt mind at all!

There has been so much now written on this post and yet again a complete failure to respond in a coherent relevant manner

I contend that by simply finishing in the top 4 Arsene has been treading water and not doing a particularly good job over the last 9 years. He's failed to make the most of his opportunities and lets be honest the fans have at times been lied to!

All this talk of top 4, top 4 CL places.....

So, who have Arsenal been doing an 'amazing' job to finish ahead of in securing CL football? Who are the teams that should definitely of been beating Arsenal to a top 4 finish?

Deliberately ignore the truth if you like but Arsenal have not been operating on a 'budget' compared to the teams they have finished ahead of. Simple as that.

So justify it, in a coherent & relevant way....give me facts / figures (and please not net spend, it really isn't the be all and end all of the budget of a football club, particularly not when you are working from a base of been champions in 2004)

Arsene has made you look like idiots. He's completely hooked you to the fact that his Top 4 Trophy makes you think he's done this amazing job....its utterly bizarre!

In the background the board are laughing at you by over charging and underspending...unless it comes to paying Arsene!

comment by Redinthehead - At least we didnt finish 13th! (U1860)
posted 18 minutes ago
Trophies are something you can look back in and celebrate. Whilst reaching top 4 is considered a 'success', it's not the kind of thing you can look back on fondly unless you're a spurs fan

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This is true as it really grates on Arsenal fans who have to endure the "8 years"
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Only in the same way a dripping tap, or a crying child, does.

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I have flu, I'm too ill to be wound up it makes me sneeze and its really snotty

absolutetruth, you've had plenty of decent reponses from Dot, Lex and Serial as I recall. Frankly they have shown great patience in not just telling you to shut up - you've ignored every decent point put to you and just come back with exactly the same post, again and again.

Your favourite phrase is "most expensive tickets in world football", which is a terrible cathphrase. Do you even know it is true? Have you actually checked that if you include cup games that Arsenal's season ticket represents better value than that of, say Spurs? I don't know for sure, do you? Or are you just spouting off?

You give absolutely no credit where even other Liverpool fans can see it, you're a mouthy bore with absolutely no interest in debating anything just shouting down others in some vain attempt to appear knowlegable.