So is winning a league cup significant or not? You seem to devalue and place value on winning it in the same post

Leiva

Well done look at the amount of bites you are getting on here. You would think the gooners had lost yesterday with their bitterness.

What bait do you use?

Winning the League Cup is nice. Any trophy is good to win. Winning becomes a habit.

At the time I thought Kenny would do the job but the decisions made we're flawed.

You make a very good point...we removed King Kenny because he wasn't taking us to where we wanted to be. We didn't hang about because he won us the Title years ago...we made the change, and so far with the shape the team is in sitting 4 points off it seems to be going OK. But just OK, the objective is to win...

I take it this T Bone chap can't actually read.

You would think the gooners had lost yesterday with their bitterness
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Ironic comment of the day given the amount of bitterness most of your fans have towards us celebrating a victory.

And here was me thinking we were having a fairly civil debate.

It turns out, to my surprise, that i'm bitter

Is Arsene worth £7/8 million a year when you the fans pay the highest prices in World Football?

Bare in mind you keep been told prices will be cut when the stadium is paid for and are 10 years on nearly.

comment by MrTweedy ft. Kos and Mert - the best defence since OJ Simpson (U5058)
posted 5 minutes ago
Couple of times a season you get smashed for some reason
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That essentially is a lie.
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Is it. I can't think of any other club that gets done by 4, 5, 6 and 8 goals can you? Home and away as well. Plus your general record against top sides is awful the past 5 years.

I don't think your bitter. Just a bit brainwashed, it's not your fault, your not the only one

Yes we have lost a few heavy ones but couple of times a season? I think not. 8-2, 6-3 (only 3 goals so by your reckoning doesn't count), 5-1, 4-0 against you years ago - can you tell me the rest please?

This is about Arsenal, not Liverpool.

I agree with Robbing.

I see no winning mentality in this Arsenal team. If you play Man City in the FA Cup I can only see one outcome.

You have to hope they get knocked out to have any chance of winning it.

You have no chance in the Champions League. Your history and your managers history prove that. He has had umpteen chances to win it, with better teams than this one at times, and not managed it.

In the Prem Chelsea and Man City will finish above you and we might even have a chance too.

"Bare in mind you keep been told prices will be cut when the stadium is paid for and are 10 years on nearly."

I've never heard that. It's like reading The Sun with these comments, ironic really. You take a couple of facts, add some worst case scenarios, stir it up a bit and serve with a side of shock horror gasping.

Arsene has had time and resource to compete successfully with every other club and hasn't even managed a League Cup win for many years now. His methods need a revamp, he's stubborn and resistant to change and takes far to long to change something that isn't working
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I agree with everything in this statement, but the bit about Wenger having the resources. We had a financial model in place which meant a large commitment had to be give to the development of a top class stadium. Now we all know the truth behind the financing of the stadium and the sacrifices we had to make in order to build it.

Now i'll be the first to jump on Wenger's throat about the inability to compete and the ineffectual nature of his tactics, but let's cut the old man some slack here. He's gone well over 14 years in the top 4, generating the club precious revenue to pay off the costs of the stadium development. Any other way, and we'll add another 10 years to the repayment of the Emirates. Now you see, if it was that easy, why haven't Chelsea, Spurs or even Liverpool gone through with it?

Building a stadium and still competing at the very top level is something you have to applaud Wenger. We might not have picked up our fair share of trophies, but the reasons for this can very well be discussed in another article. However, if you ask anyone who is in a better position at the moment: Arsenal with their 9 year trophyless streak but with the financial muscle, which is only being realised now, to compete for world class players and a constant stream of Champions league football,versus Liverpool who have a rich tradition of success, yet still in a stadium of limited financial gain and very much dependent on CL football this year; i would perhaps suggest they would go for the former.

Remember, Liverpool are desperate for CL football this yeyear. Their short term future is dependent on it. You risk losing further financial gain and losing your best player.

We lost 6-3 to man city, and 5-1 to liverpool this season, two times we've was well beaten.
I'd rather that than lose to Hull, Southampton, and the big teams around us too as well as pick up a few draws against teams we should have beat.

I see no winning mentality in this Arsenal team. If you play Man City in the FA Cup I can only see one outcome.
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And yet, this weak minded Arsenal team managed to stay at the top of the league for the majority of the season. How figure?

comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 minute ago
This is about Arsenal, not Liverpool.

I agree with Robbing.

I see no winning mentality in this Arsenal team. If you play Man City in the FA Cup I can only see one outcome.

You have to hope they get knocked out to have any chance of winning it.

You have no chance in the Champions League. Your history and your managers history prove that. He has had umpteen chances to win it, with better teams than this one at times, and not managed it.

In the Prem Chelsea and Man City will finish above you and we might even have a chance too.
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How did Fergie win his first title with Utd? He had a 'history' of failure with that club.

How did Chelsea win their first title for decades?

How does anyone win anything if history dictates they won't?

History dictates that Wenger is more likely to win the PL than Pellegrini is

MrTweedy ft. Kos and Mert - the best defence since OJ Simpson (U5058)

Milan 0 - 4
Spurs 1 - 5
Barca 1 - 4

It's just the manner in which you surrender each time and it does keep happening at key times which is why you've won 3 (?) games out of 18 against Utd, Chelsea and City.

Other weird losses like Burnley and Birmingham in the final.

Just seem weak to me. Either way no other top team gets done like that as often. I may be wrong so happy to be proved so.

comment by Serial WUManiser - The Chosen One (U1410)
posted 1 minute ago

And yet, this weak minded Arsenal team managed to stay at the top of the league for the majority of the season. How figure?
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Because you've not had your seasonal collapse yet. Sometimes it comes at the start of the season, sometimes at the end of the season, this year it will be in March.

Because you've not had your seasonal collapse yet. Sometimes it comes at the start of the season, sometimes at the end of the season, this year it will be in March.
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Pray tell how you came to that conclusion? Based on last season?

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I'm not sure what Pellegrini has actually achieved to get such praise tbh.

Serial WUManiser - The Chosen One (U1410)

Based on you generally have a bad patch of form that tends to put you out of the running for everything.

March

Arsenal are the only team to ever collapse

Spurs just....well they must have had all their matches cancelled after February for the last 2 seasons.

Utd in 11/12? - Must have been match fixing. A mentally impenetrable team like Utd just would not throw away such a big lead over their rivals at the end of the season.

It didn;t happen.


It's only Arsenal.

Milan 0 - 4
Spurs 1 - 5
Barca 1 - 4
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Ok your picking any results yeah.
LFC 3-AFC 6 2007
LFC 1 CFC 4 2005
CFC 4 -LFC 0 2001
Man u 4- LFC 2003
see you an pick any results from history and say, you've been smashed on occasions too.

Arsenal have been losing their best players CL or not as well because the club hasn't been focused on success

As per previous, champions in 2004, the last team before Chelsea won their first title.

United & Arsenal were on the same level in the late 90's & early 00's. United developed their stadium as well to 75,000! SAF didn't make excuses, he focused and took on the new money...winning trophy after trophy. Arsenal went backwards and made excuses

Arsene has since 1996 to create a structure for the development of enough quality players to offset any stadium move in 2005 and short term spending by Chelsea & City later. During this stadium period Arsene has had a massive CL budget to work with, to hear some talk you'd think he was working with a budget similar to Everton. It's nonsense, don't be fooled by this.

Arsene could go out and spend £12 million on 16 year old's if he wanted to. The stadium is a smoke screen. The budget has always been CL. He's achieved the minimum, that's all.