Yes, City have been spending big money since when 2010? Chelsea since 2004?
Neither club had anything like the infra-structure of Arsenal. They haven't had the same manager since 1996 to build a youth set to not need to spend record sums on players to compete. So it seems the youth policy has failed?
Or do you just want all things all ways to justify your point?
comment by Lexington eins zwei fünf Punkt zwei (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
The move to the Emirates was a good idea made at the wrong time. The board could not have foreseen the downturn in the property market and the rise of the sugar-daddy clubs.
Whilst it's typical that the Liverpool supporters find it easy to question the course taken by Arsenal FC, perhaps their focus would be better used focusing on their own club.
How many seasons is it now without European football?
We've built a new stadium and have still made the cut every single year.
What's Liverpool FC's excuse?
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Their excuse is they greedily adopted Gillett and Hicks as their saviours and almost went bust as a result.
But financial excuses are invalid
This surely is a mentality issue. Happened too often for them to be one-offs.
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I think it's shows a tactical naivety rather than any mental deficiency Arsenal have. Usually, when Arsenal go 2 goals down in quick sucession, the tactical shift has been to get the goal back early, as to create a platform for a fightback. When it works, it looks great. But when on the few occasion it backfires, the result isn't pretty.
The only thumping we recieved which was purely a result of a complete mental breakdown, was the 8-2 defeat at Old Trafford.
United are the current Champions and have won what since Arsene last produced a trophy?
Commercial revenues, well there is another point you successfully make. A Champion team, competing with United but United leave Arsenal floundering in the commercial stakes despite the continuity of CL football all these years
I think my comment gave you the Arsenal 2 nil result.
One example outweighed by how many? You can't justify Arsenal don't fall down under pressure. They do time & again.
It's just the manner in which you surrender each time and it does keep happening at key times which is why you've won 3 (?) games out of 18 against Utd, Chelsea and City.
Other weird losses like Burnley and Birmingham in the final.
Just seem weak to me. Either way no other top team gets done like that as often. I may be wrong so happy to be proved so.
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Fair assessment Late reply from me, went to the toilet ended up chatting to someone about their new baby zzzzzz
You can't justify Arsenal don't fall down under pressure. They do time & again.
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You also can't deny that every year our team is ripped apart and we have to start again every year. The 1st year we have kept our players we are challenging for the title, coincidence, i don't think so.
After the first leg of the Bayern tie last season, Arsenal went on an incredible run of games, securing what at the time looked an improbable top 4 finish in the league.
Was that not a pressure situation that they held strong for?
comment by β (U4443)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lexington eins zwei fünf Punkt zwei (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
The move to the Emirates was a good idea made at the wrong time. The board could not have foreseen the downturn in the property market and the rise of the sugar-daddy clubs.
Whilst it's typical that the Liverpool supporters find it easy to question the course taken by Arsenal FC, perhaps their focus would be better used focusing on their own club.
How many seasons is it now without European football?
We've built a new stadium and have still made the cut every single year.
What's Liverpool FC's excuse?
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Their excuse is they greedily adopted Gillett and Hicks as their saviours and almost went bust as a result.
But financial excuses are invalid
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H& G were a massive issue, as they threatened the club's existence, but then there were also a succession of bad choices made, sacking Rafa, appointing Hodgson, appointing Dalglish, a coupel of bad transfers and losing some very good players.
Its no coincidence that since this started we have fallen off the pace and haven't been in Europe.
comment by MrTweedy ft. Kos and Mert - the best defence since OJ Simpson (U5058)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's just the manner in which you surrender each time and it does keep happening at key times which is why you've won 3 (?) games out of 18 against Utd, Chelsea and City.
Other weird losses like Burnley and Birmingham in the final.
Just seem weak to me. Either way no other top team gets done like that as often. I may be wrong so happy to be proved so.
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Fair assessmentLate reply from me, went to the toilet ended up chatting to someone about their new baby zzzzzz
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What a weird name for a baby
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by β (U4443)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lexington eins zwei fünf Punkt zwei (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
The move to the Emirates was a good idea made at the wrong time. The board could not have foreseen the downturn in the property market and the rise of the sugar-daddy clubs.
Whilst it's typical that the Liverpool supporters find it easy to question the course taken by Arsenal FC, perhaps their focus would be better used focusing on their own club.
How many seasons is it now without European football?
We've built a new stadium and have still made the cut every single year.
What's Liverpool FC's excuse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Their excuse is they greedily adopted Gillett and Hicks as their saviours and almost went bust as a result.
But financial excuses are invalid
----------------------------------------------------------------------
H& G were a massive issue, as they threatened the club's existence, but then there were also a succession of bad choices made, sacking Rafa, appointing Hodgson, appointing Dalglish, a coupel of bad transfers and losing some very good players.
Its no coincidence that since this started we have fallen off the pace and haven't been in Europe.
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I agree. You have every right to use that excuse. What i i will not accept is Liverpool fans then saying that Arsenal's financial excuses are invalid
wenger deserves another 2-3 transfer windows before he can be properly judged imo after the stadium being rebuillt curtailed the transfer budget. He now has the capital to get the best players, if hes won nothing by the end of next season serious questions need to be asked
Fúck me kneerash you séxy beast, you've actually been the diplomatic one here.
Come 'ere big guy
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 48 seconds ago
wenger deserves another 2-3 transfer windows before he can be properly judged imo after the stadium being rebuillt curtailed the transfer budget. He now has the capital to get the best players, if hes won nothing by the end of next season serious questions need to be asked
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Please, in future, write my comments for me.
You could have saved me hours of non-work today
"H& G were a massive issue, as they threatened the club's existence..."
Arsenal had the Kroenke/Usmanov stand off. It might not have been anywhere as bad as H&G, but it seemed to keep the club rudderless for a while.
"but then there were also a succession of bad choices made, sacking Rafa, appointing Hodgson, appointing Dalglish..."
Luckily we haven't suffered this.
"a coupel of bad transfers and losing some very good players."
Could argue Arsenal far outstrip Liverpool here though. Yet we're still in Europe every season.
I've been won of Wenger's fiercest critics for a while. In fact, i still have doubts as to whether he is capable of winning us anything.
However, it's as plain as the nose on my ugly mug that the financial restraints put on him have seriously crippled his ability to compete for the big titles.
Like my BFF Kneerash says, if Wenger doesn sweet FA in the transfer window this summer, and then fails to win a trophy by end of next season, he has proved his doubters right and has to leave.
I'm really liking the new kneerash.
I guess you could say that Arsenal have been conservative in terms of persisting with Wenger as we simply in no way could afford a demise akin to Liverpool's.
Just look at Utd. They can afford a season like this. We couldn't.
Lex, that's where Arsene has made a big difference. He's been your one constant. You maintained leadership, you maintained your style of football.
Every time a new manager comes in he tries to change the way we play, changes the personnel, tries to put his stamp on the team. Hogdos was an unmitigated disaster, he really was (is) a football dinosaur. Dalglish came in and steadied the ship but he wasn't really the person to take us forward in thelong run. And then BR has come in and we're finsally seeing improvement.
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 1 minute ago
Lex, that's where Arsene has made a big difference. He's been your one constant. You maintained leadership, you maintained your style of football.
Every time a new manager comes in he tries to change the way we play, changes the personnel, tries to put his stamp on the team. Hogdos was an unmitigated disaster, he really was (is) a football dinosaur. Dalglish came in and steadied the ship but he wasn't really the person to take us forward in thelong run. And then BR has come in and we're finsally seeing improvement.
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This is precisely why Wenger has stayed as manager, and rightly so.
We could not afford to take a gamble on a new manager, despite not winning trophies. We simply had to qualify for the CL each year. I'm not sure there were/are any other managers who could have done so on our budget.
Right, fack me i need to actually make it look like i've done some work today.
To all involved in this whimsical and light hearted debate i say have a terrific evening
Yup agree with FJM, continuity with a proven manager is a significant competitive advantage.
Luckily for Liverpool Rodgers is young enough to be with us for a considerable length of time.
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posted on 17/2/14
Yes, City have been spending big money since when 2010? Chelsea since 2004?
Neither club had anything like the infra-structure of Arsenal. They haven't had the same manager since 1996 to build a youth set to not need to spend record sums on players to compete. So it seems the youth policy has failed?
Or do you just want all things all ways to justify your point?
posted on 17/2/14
comment by Lexington eins zwei fünf Punkt zwei (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
The move to the Emirates was a good idea made at the wrong time. The board could not have foreseen the downturn in the property market and the rise of the sugar-daddy clubs.
Whilst it's typical that the Liverpool supporters find it easy to question the course taken by Arsenal FC, perhaps their focus would be better used focusing on their own club.
How many seasons is it now without European football?
We've built a new stadium and have still made the cut every single year.
What's Liverpool FC's excuse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Their excuse is they greedily adopted Gillett and Hicks as their saviours and almost went bust as a result.
But financial excuses are invalid
posted on 17/2/14
This surely is a mentality issue. Happened too often for them to be one-offs.
---------------------------
I think it's shows a tactical naivety rather than any mental deficiency Arsenal have. Usually, when Arsenal go 2 goals down in quick sucession, the tactical shift has been to get the goal back early, as to create a platform for a fightback. When it works, it looks great. But when on the few occasion it backfires, the result isn't pretty.
The only thumping we recieved which was purely a result of a complete mental breakdown, was the 8-2 defeat at Old Trafford.
posted on 17/2/14
United are the current Champions and have won what since Arsene last produced a trophy?
Commercial revenues, well there is another point you successfully make. A Champion team, competing with United but United leave Arsenal floundering in the commercial stakes despite the continuity of CL football all these years
posted on 17/2/14
I think my comment gave you the Arsenal 2 nil result.
One example outweighed by how many? You can't justify Arsenal don't fall down under pressure. They do time & again.
posted on 17/2/14
It's just the manner in which you surrender each time and it does keep happening at key times which is why you've won 3 (?) games out of 18 against Utd, Chelsea and City.
Other weird losses like Burnley and Birmingham in the final.
Just seem weak to me. Either way no other top team gets done like that as often. I may be wrong so happy to be proved so.
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Fair assessment Late reply from me, went to the toilet ended up chatting to someone about their new baby zzzzzz
posted on 17/2/14
You can't justify Arsenal don't fall down under pressure. They do time & again.
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You also can't deny that every year our team is ripped apart and we have to start again every year. The 1st year we have kept our players we are challenging for the title, coincidence, i don't think so.
posted on 17/2/14
After the first leg of the Bayern tie last season, Arsenal went on an incredible run of games, securing what at the time looked an improbable top 4 finish in the league.
Was that not a pressure situation that they held strong for?
posted on 17/2/14
comment by β (U4443)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lexington eins zwei fünf Punkt zwei (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
The move to the Emirates was a good idea made at the wrong time. The board could not have foreseen the downturn in the property market and the rise of the sugar-daddy clubs.
Whilst it's typical that the Liverpool supporters find it easy to question the course taken by Arsenal FC, perhaps their focus would be better used focusing on their own club.
How many seasons is it now without European football?
We've built a new stadium and have still made the cut every single year.
What's Liverpool FC's excuse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Their excuse is they greedily adopted Gillett and Hicks as their saviours and almost went bust as a result.
But financial excuses are invalid
----------------------------------------------------------------------
H& G were a massive issue, as they threatened the club's existence, but then there were also a succession of bad choices made, sacking Rafa, appointing Hodgson, appointing Dalglish, a coupel of bad transfers and losing some very good players.
Its no coincidence that since this started we have fallen off the pace and haven't been in Europe.
posted on 17/2/14
comment by MrTweedy ft. Kos and Mert - the best defence since OJ Simpson (U5058)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's just the manner in which you surrender each time and it does keep happening at key times which is why you've won 3 (?) games out of 18 against Utd, Chelsea and City.
Other weird losses like Burnley and Birmingham in the final.
Just seem weak to me. Either way no other top team gets done like that as often. I may be wrong so happy to be proved so.
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Fair assessmentLate reply from me, went to the toilet ended up chatting to someone about their new baby zzzzzz
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What a weird name for a baby
posted on 17/2/14
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by β (U4443)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lexington eins zwei fünf Punkt zwei (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
The move to the Emirates was a good idea made at the wrong time. The board could not have foreseen the downturn in the property market and the rise of the sugar-daddy clubs.
Whilst it's typical that the Liverpool supporters find it easy to question the course taken by Arsenal FC, perhaps their focus would be better used focusing on their own club.
How many seasons is it now without European football?
We've built a new stadium and have still made the cut every single year.
What's Liverpool FC's excuse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Their excuse is they greedily adopted Gillett and Hicks as their saviours and almost went bust as a result.
But financial excuses are invalid
----------------------------------------------------------------------
H& G were a massive issue, as they threatened the club's existence, but then there were also a succession of bad choices made, sacking Rafa, appointing Hodgson, appointing Dalglish, a coupel of bad transfers and losing some very good players.
Its no coincidence that since this started we have fallen off the pace and haven't been in Europe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree. You have every right to use that excuse. What i i will not accept is Liverpool fans then saying that Arsenal's financial excuses are invalid
posted on 17/2/14
wenger deserves another 2-3 transfer windows before he can be properly judged imo after the stadium being rebuillt curtailed the transfer budget. He now has the capital to get the best players, if hes won nothing by the end of next season serious questions need to be asked
posted on 17/2/14
Fúck me kneerash you séxy beast, you've actually been the diplomatic one here.
Come 'ere big guy
posted on 17/2/14
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 48 seconds ago
wenger deserves another 2-3 transfer windows before he can be properly judged imo after the stadium being rebuillt curtailed the transfer budget. He now has the capital to get the best players, if hes won nothing by the end of next season serious questions need to be asked
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Please, in future, write my comments for me.
You could have saved me hours of non-work today
posted on 17/2/14
"H& G were a massive issue, as they threatened the club's existence..."
Arsenal had the Kroenke/Usmanov stand off. It might not have been anywhere as bad as H&G, but it seemed to keep the club rudderless for a while.
"but then there were also a succession of bad choices made, sacking Rafa, appointing Hodgson, appointing Dalglish..."
Luckily we haven't suffered this.
"a coupel of bad transfers and losing some very good players."
Could argue Arsenal far outstrip Liverpool here though. Yet we're still in Europe every season.
posted on 17/2/14
I've been won of Wenger's fiercest critics for a while. In fact, i still have doubts as to whether he is capable of winning us anything.
However, it's as plain as the nose on my ugly mug that the financial restraints put on him have seriously crippled his ability to compete for the big titles.
Like my BFF Kneerash says, if Wenger doesn sweet FA in the transfer window this summer, and then fails to win a trophy by end of next season, he has proved his doubters right and has to leave.
posted on 17/2/14
I'm really liking the new kneerash.
posted on 17/2/14
I've been *ONE of...!!!!
posted on 17/2/14
I guess you could say that Arsenal have been conservative in terms of persisting with Wenger as we simply in no way could afford a demise akin to Liverpool's.
Just look at Utd. They can afford a season like this. We couldn't.
posted on 17/2/14
Lex, that's where Arsene has made a big difference. He's been your one constant. You maintained leadership, you maintained your style of football.
Every time a new manager comes in he tries to change the way we play, changes the personnel, tries to put his stamp on the team. Hogdos was an unmitigated disaster, he really was (is) a football dinosaur. Dalglish came in and steadied the ship but he wasn't really the person to take us forward in thelong run. And then BR has come in and we're finsally seeing improvement.
posted on 17/2/14
FJM
posted on 17/2/14
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 1 minute ago
Lex, that's where Arsene has made a big difference. He's been your one constant. You maintained leadership, you maintained your style of football.
Every time a new manager comes in he tries to change the way we play, changes the personnel, tries to put his stamp on the team. Hogdos was an unmitigated disaster, he really was (is) a football dinosaur. Dalglish came in and steadied the ship but he wasn't really the person to take us forward in thelong run. And then BR has come in and we're finsally seeing improvement.
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This is precisely why Wenger has stayed as manager, and rightly so.
We could not afford to take a gamble on a new manager, despite not winning trophies. We simply had to qualify for the CL each year. I'm not sure there were/are any other managers who could have done so on our budget.
posted on 17/2/14
Right, fack me i need to actually make it look like i've done some work today.
To all involved in this whimsical and light hearted debate i say have a terrific evening
posted on 17/2/14
Yup agree with FJM, continuity with a proven manager is a significant competitive advantage.
Luckily for Liverpool Rodgers is young enough to be with us for a considerable length of time.
posted on 17/2/14
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