Yes there is but you'd need to have that conversation with another set of fans. Please don't digress though. Fact is even the stadium excuse is getting old now and you went and smashed your transfer record on a player you did not really need which will result in you, I suspect, achieving nothing again. Is that money or poor management maintaining a status quo?

Haven't Arsenal just announced a loss in the last 6 months of 2013?

So what's the 'truth' with the finances?

No other club has been so sanctimonious about their 'business plan' and told everyone else who much better they have been

Shame that they forget their job is to win trophies as a football team.

So, been based in London, with prime London real estate worth a few hundred million is no comparative advantage in that stadium plan is it? Everyone could do that could they?

Liverpool supporters will change their stance regarding the effect of upgrading or building a new stadium has on the pitch if and when they do the same at Anfield.

The excuses if they fall down the league will be plentiful

Well, if you ignore all the good things that have happened in the last 8 years - then yes, it has been a disaster.

Well you'll forgive me then for holding fellow Arsenal fans' opinions on whether or not we've progressed this season in higher regard than i do yours.

We have made very good progress since last season.

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They posted a couple of million loss yes. I was quite surprised.

Football is all about winning trophies is it?

So why the fack would anyone go and watch the likes of....York....or Nuneaton

No, its not an excuse. As you've said there is a lot to be said for stability

But stability in itself is pointless. Arsene has had since he arrived in 1996 time to implement a youth set up to bring enough players through of the quality to negate the massive spending of City & Chelsea who have been 'big' clubs for a short period

He hasn't done this but has simply complained and made excuses. Never really going for it

Did United do that? What did SAF do? He made United better, he took on City & Chelsea head on and won trophy after trophy.

By comparison Wenger achieved nothing....the last Champions before Chelsea won their first title in modern times were Arsenal. Not United...

We'll have some ManU fan pop up soon to tell us we 'obsessed' with finances. Honestly, you can't win, trolls got to troll.

So Arsenal having higher revenues than Liverpool is an excuse for you coming behind us but City and Chelsea's spending power is not an excuse for us coming behind them

At that level yes, it's about winning!

So why do small teams get credit when they only lose to big teams by a goal?

Should failure really be applauded?

Genuinely, you aren't coming back with anything to justify the failures

United rebuilt their stadium, they took on the new money and won again & again

Since Arsenal won a trophy Liverpool have won the big one and until the last few years were we were nearly sent to the wall by H&G we outperformed Arsenal conclusively. This from a standing start in 2004 of Arsenal been champions and Liverpool been a distant 4th

Arsenal had the team & squad in 2004...winners. They'd had the continuity of management since 1996 to develop enough young players to come through to offset any spending by Chelsea and subsequently City in the last few years

Liverpool have flopped in the last few years which is precisely why we have changed everything...we still however won trophies! We didn't make excuses....we made changes!

When did Liverpool win the big one? Whats the last trophy they won?

Who's to say we won't win something this season? What gives Liverpool's supposed progress more validity than ours? No prizes have been handed out, no positions decided.

You could collapse and finish 6th, as could we.

You're going a little over the top with your progress.

You need to change your screen name.

And if you ask me if i think the last 9 years will have been worth it if we win something this season - Yes, it will have been.

Luckily, that feeling is something opposition fans have no influence over. So when the day comes and Arsenal do win something again, please remember that we don't care how much you try to devalue the achievement

Progress will be determined but we have a manager in his second season not his 17th! 3 points in it at the moment.

Referring to CL win. We also last won a trophy in 2012

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Who's to say we won't win something this season?
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I'll say it. There is something fragile about this Arsenal side. For all the talk of mental strength from Wenger I have neevr seen a top team beaten so badly so often. Couple of times a season you get smashed for some reason. That does not happen to other top clubs for some reason and I don't think your manager has managed to instill a winning mentality.

As such I don't think you'll win anything again. If you had been properly managed and got a striker in I may feel differently. Theo being out is a massive blow as well.

comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
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Progress will be determined but we have a manager in his second season not his 17th! 3 points in it at the moment.

Referring to CL win. We also last won a trophy in 2012
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Here's a random one - If you could change history, would you go back and appoint Rogers when you appointed Dalglish, even if you knew you wouldn't win the League Cup?

Ramsey's injury is more damaging than Theo's to be honest. We did fine when Theo was injured earlier in the season.

We've been a bit lost without Rambo.

" I have neevr seen a top team beaten so badly so often."

Yeah, we have lost like 4 whole league games now. Unprecedented stuff.

Couple of times a season you get smashed for some reason
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That essentially is a lie.

When the day comes!

It's nice to win trophies but let's get real. The main ones are the League and CL.

Arsene has had time and resource to compete successfully with every other club and hasn't even managed a League Cup win for many years now. His methods need a revamp, he's stubborn and resistant to change and takes far to long to change something that isn't working

If you win a cup, do you give him another 9 years of picking up what £7/8 million a year in hope whilst paying the highest prices in world football

Up to £132 for the Bayern game when the club pay him that much money is ridiculous. Do you think he'd take a 50% cut with bonus incentives to actually win trophies?

Do yo think the Liverpool players would give that Carling cup trophy up to be in the champions league for the 5 or so years they've been out of it or not?